>having a left-wing outlook
I hope you guys realize that this is the cause of all your woes. Not the fucking solution.
Leftism promotes blaming everyone but yourself for being a failure. Leftism promotes lowering yourself down to the lowest of the group.
It's fucking disgusting the way this generation views the world.
Back in the old days, people would look at someone who was successful or rich or smart and think "Wow. What a man. Maybe if I put in the hard work, I can be just like him."
Nowadays, your average millenial would just think "YEAH, WELL, HE'S A CHAD. HE IS PRIVILEGED. HE MUST HAVE HAD AN EASIER LIFE. WHERE IS MY HANDOUT. REEEE"
This sort of weird leftist thinking can be boiled down to hatred of success and celebration of failure.
It is such a disgusting, self-pitying poison of an ideology.
Everyone here needs to man the fuck up.
And before you say I'm "shaming" you, or that I am "privileged" or anyone of the meaningless buzzwords that make up the millenial lexicon,
look at society as it is now. Look how it was back when everyone was conservative.
You are killing western society. So man the fuck up, stop feeling sorry for yourself, get out their and be the change you want to be.
>>27094548
jokes on you im voting trump but still hate myself
r9k will eventually be annexed by /pol/
its happening a little more every day
wish everyone wasnt so cucked to just taking their shit
>>27094571
>voting trump
Sure, fine.
Out of the holy trinity of meme candidates that is trump-sanders-clinton, trump is probably the safest bet.
HUH HUH, OH YEA OP WELL LOOK AT THE RIGHT WINGERS BLAMING THE JEWS ALL THE TIME! HAHA, CHECK MATE YOU DUMB FUCKING POOPIE HEAD!
>>27094548
Ok, ayn rand.
People aren't john galt or henry reardon.
Nepotism is the #1 easiest way to be successful.
I would know.
But you're not 100% wrong. People envy success.
>>27094640
the occasional ancommie/leftypol crossposter pops up every now and again
By that logic, the philosophy of the right leads to self hatred, delusion, and a lack of empathy or compassion for the suffering of others.
But that's not true, and neither are your beliefs about the left.
>>27094970
There are crazy deluded right-wing psychopaths out there.
And there are sniveling, effete, self-pitying, bitter left-wingers. i.e. virtually everyone on /r9k/
>>27095065
But the extremes are not the products of the ideals but their corruption. What OP argues is that Leftism is the problem itself; however, if that were the case Liberal figures like John F. Kennedy Franklin Delano Roosevelt would be remembered as tyrants.
Here's the thing, dork:
Circumstances (genetics, environment, family, etc) have much more to do with what you eventually become than anything else.
Of course, this is denied by anyone who "makes it" because it devalues their own delusional sense of self.
All of this is literally true in the actual sense of the word; the real question is how you want to deal with it, though right-leaning shitmonkeys can never get past the simple nature of cause-and-effect long enough to discover actual solutions to social problems.
>>27095146
Alright. Maybe leftism isn't a problem.
But the leftist influenced mindset that young people operate by is a huge fucking problem.
This attitude of "true equality or nothing" makes people drop out of life as soon as they come up against hardship.
Because why try if life is hard. That's society's problem.
And the glut of other side effect like rejection of gender roles, workshyness, and reliance on the collective ironically makes society more unequal as people can't find their place.
Just fuck off to /pol/ OP and whine about jews and niggers and your leftist bogeymen over there.
>>27095065
>Thinks r9k is left wing.
Dude, pull your head out of your ass.
You're taking the NEET-bro meme wayyyyy too seriously.
As opposed to blaming the jews, chinks, spics, niggers, sandniggers and pooinloos for all your problems?
:^)
>>27095267
who is whore
>>27095319
Why try when it doesn't get me anywhere?
Why go to college, go thousands of dollars into debt, when there is zero guarantee of a return or even stable employment after school unless by sheer dumb luck?
Why should I fucking care?
Nothings going to change and everything was decided before I was born. I'm not rich enough nor will I ever be rich enough to change anything.
Simply getting a job, settling down with a wife, and buying a fucking house is nearly impossible these days. Stop circlejerking about the fucking 50's you moron, those days are far long gone and they aren't coming back any time soon. Stop pissing and moaning about "m-muh lefitst younguns are ruining the world" when its your shitty parents and grandparents are the ones that birthed this shit world we have to deal with right now.
>>27094548
>Leftism promotes blaming everyone but yourself for being a failure.
-Mexicans stole my jobs
-Blacks stole my college scholarship and/or spot on the football team
-Jews are manipulating me and everyone else
-Feminazis are the reason why girls don't like me
-SJWs have pushed me to the fringe of society and into isolation
etc.
"Leftism", huh?
>>27095437
Society is going to shit.
But you can make a difference. A small one.
By rejecting this culture of "competition is evil", "I'm entitled to this and that", "hedonism is the highest ideal", "you should be ashamed of being at a higher status", you can achieve personal success.
You can rise above everyone else in this generation. You can help western society.
>>27095267
>genetics
Unless you have something fatal, you can by and large manage whatever genetics throws your way. Removing your personal responsibility to manage yourself is why you're a NEETcuck, m8.
>environment
Environment plays a large part in defining your experiences and thus who you become but you can overcome this as well. Kruschev was a son of a dirt farmer in Ukraine but he became a fucking engineer and then head of the Soviets. Its about striving to put yourself in the right place at the right time, not sitting in a puddle of your own filth and blaming the puddle for being there you tool.
>Family
See above.
You are personally responsible for your actions. Your genetics, environment, and family life shape you, but in the end, what person you are falls squarely on your shoulders. You can blame all these factors all you wish and whine that they kept you from succeeding, but in the end, you choose what acts you take or do not take.
Of course, this is denied by anyone who "doesn't make it" because it devalues their own delusional sense of self.
>>27095319
Your views of leftism are mostly caricature devised by wealthy institutions to invalidate any notion that poor people are getting fucked, or that they have anyone to blame but themselves.
So I guess the vast majority of humans throughout history just didn't apply themselves enough, right? It couldn't be that anything structurally hindered them, or that they were born stupid or weak or to impoverished parents, that they received inadequate nutrition and trash education, or that those who had previously succeeded for whatever reason, worked diligently to ensure there would be almost no outsiders working their way into the ranks of the elite.
No, that explains too much, and it doesn't let us blame people automatically and denigrate them as human beings
Now, if you want to say "yeah well i think XXXX is a stupid way of addressing the inherent inequality of humanity", then you'd actually have to understand some of these problems more fully, and you'd rather not, I'm sure, because it might damage your worldview.
>>27094548
What's that? Eulogizing a dying culture and ideology whose time in the world has passed? You will not be missed, reactionary scum. The civilization you built was a fine crutch but the time has come for mankind to walk at last.
>>27095532
>Your genetics, environment, and family life shape you, but in the end, what person you are falls squarely on your shoulders.
Translation: I do not believe in cause and effect, and I dramatically inflate the role of the individual in what they become or do.
Good job citing outliers, by the way. I'm sure any dirt-farming loser with an IQ of 83 can become an engineer or top-tier politician if they just pull themselves up by their boostraps and shake the right hands.
I suspect you know this, too, but have nothing to actually support your instinctual views, so you toss together some of that good ol' libertarian vocabulary in a way that you think doesn't expose its inherent vapidity.
>>27095524
If I don't kill myself first I'll damn well fucking try.
I'm only 21 and I hate my compatriots of this generation. I hate everything about this world. I had dreams of changing it, but then I grew up a little, learned a little, saw how impossible it all was.
I just want to live a decent life. But it all seems so impossible and far away.
I'm not dead yet so that's a start.
Life sucks cock and it might get better. That's all I'm hoping for honestly.
>>27095535
Maybe people are getting fucked, but the defeatism of the left pacifies them and keeps them weak.
They think the only way out is revolution, which can only be achieved by the collective.
Alternative philosophies are more empowering, and motivates the individual to achieve what he can in spite of his hindrances and the powers that be.
It's a much better mindset to have.
>>27095319
>the leftist influenced mindset that young people operate by is a huge fucking problem.
>This attitude of "true equality or nothing" makes people drop out of life as soon as they come up against hardship.
>Because why try if life is hard. That's society's problem.
don't blame the left for this liberal cuck mindset
there isn't a leftist alive who's unwilling to try hard, because the socialist program, the anarchist program, the communist program, all of these have been completely defanged by modern government, and to be "leftist" you need to undergo the sisyphean task of pushing those programs using the current farce of a movement
if youths are unwilling to function in society, that's because liberalism tells them "we're all truly equal! :^) good goy" and does nothing to ensure that equality or describe any means by which that equality might be brought about. so people face this political contradiction and they short-circuit.
there's nothing wrong with training oneself to rely on the collective. that only leads to the paralysis you see here when the collective is a morally bankrupt plutocracy that gives no direction back to its members.
>>27094548
>leftism
>posts rant that has next to nothing to do with leftism and is basically a weird straw man caricature of what being a left winger is.
Tragic.
>>27095605
Cause and effect exists but as a rational animal supposedly above the IQ of 85 you have the ability to fucking change and influence your own environment to extent.
Or you can sit in your piss-puddle and whine about how your life was over before you even began to think about living it.
Removing all sense of responsibility from the individual is childish thinking. You don't want to blame yourself for your predicament, so you blame all the things beyond your control and place the blame squarely on those factors. Are you a human being? Or just a dumb animal? Considering you're on /r9k/ woe-be-me-ing your shit life, it's the latter.
Cry some more about how none of your life is your own doing. I'm sure it'll ring true some day.
>>27095605
>this dogmatic adherence to fatalism
Sounds like you are just using a poor understanding of a philosophical concept to justify your failures in life.
How about this. You were fated to end up like this, but maybe, you can become fated to become whatever you want if it is co-fated with making the decision to stop being a little bitch.
>>27095626
>Maybe people are getting fucked, but the defeatism of the left pacifies them and keeps them weak.
Wait, so, believing in bullshit is important because it makes you feel a little bit better about how much of your own life has been predetermined? I thought the right was about wiping away childish fantasies so we could structure society in a way that actually makes sense?
My name is Nico
GET BACK TO /POL/ YOU GOVERNMENT FUCKING SHILL
THIS IS A SPACE FOR ROBOTS AND ROBOTS
O N L Y
/POL/ IS NOT WELCOME
BUILD THE WALL
>>27095679
Buddy, usually when you respond to a post, you come with a new way of framing your argument, or you actually refute anything the other person has said. All you did was restate your fallacious argument with largely the same vocabulary. But, it is funny that someone trying to argue made the argument that I'd be wrong if I could go back in time and change my genetic combination or the place where I was born.
It's also funny that you keep assuming I'm a lonely beta NEET.
>>27095690
Do you even know what fatalism is? Have you ever even read any philosophy?
I sincerely doubt it.
That's a nice little strawman you built out of inherent fallacies to avoid contending with anything I've actually stated. Reread what you just said and think really hard, use every bit of brainpower your ancestors and education have granted you, to figure out why I'm giggling at you even suggesting that proposition in the first place.
Hint: Determinism at the human-level isn't invalidated by Heisenberg, the same way a cat cannot be dead or alive.
>>27094548
Alrighty, looks like /pol/ came to visit. If this is your first trip outside the hug box, enjoy yourself.
>Leftism promotes blaming everyone but yourself for being a failure
I'm going to assume you have a rational basis for this. It's probably something to do with the common leftist view that the economy is biased, or that money plays an important role in success.
It's not an attempt to remove responsibility for one's actions, it's pointing out that economic condition, or any type of success, is due to more factors than just the individual's input into the equation.
I'll give you an example: you've just gotten your degree, and apply for a graduate job. There are 50 other applicants. Therefore, the job will be given based on other things (probably the interviewer's personal preference) by default.
Now, imagine the very real scenario that this is most jobs. Statistically, you're unlikely to get it.
>but anon, this is why it's their fault - they need to make themselves stand out
Some do. Some get lucky.
The point I'm making is that this hypothetical person has done the best they can, but their "success" is still dependent on things that they have no control over.
Remember that point - there are things the individual cannot control. That is what leftists acknowledge.
>Back in the old days, people would look at someone who was successful or rich or smart and think "Wow. What a man. Maybe if I put in the hard work, I can be just like him."
Yeah, except not everybody can be that successful. You sound like a capitalist - you know that money and resources are finite. You also know that these successful people tend to hoard this finite amount of money, as is their right for being successful, huh?
>handout
Social security is good. If you want to tell me it isn't, you'll have to answer this question: why doesn't everyone deserve food to live, and medicine for when they're sick enough that their life is in danger?
>>27094548
Both political outlooks have delusional and quasi-religious aspects to them
The right wing eventually just leads to narcissistic Nietzschean wanking off
I'm somewhat more sympathetic to the right but they still get on my fucking nerves a lot
You're not going to arrive at personal happiness let alone a societal utopia via politics
>>27096047
Look at this Cuck over here.
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>>27095869
There's nothing to refute because there isn't anything objective to argue about philosophical opinions. If you want to whine about fatalism and determinism being the end-all be all then there's nothing I can do to change your opinion. Humans are influenced by their genetics and environment and in turn influence their environment back. If you wish to promote your equally fallacious argument, then so be it.
Its easy to assume you're a lonely beta NEET because you in all likelihood are one. Or are you going to pull some bullshit out of your ass that you're a Chad with a $80k salary posting whiny bullshit on /r9k/ for a larf?
You say outliers don't count because they break your idiot rule that you set up.
Your genetics, family, and environment do not wholly determine who you are. They influence, but you are not the crux of being born a clubfooted german aristocrat or a nigger in the bronx.
>>27094548
No different than right wingers bitching about Mexicans, Jews, Muslims, and blacks. Two different sides that blame their own failures on other people.
>>27095718
Not the dude you're arguing with, but you're actually a total pussy.
>>27096047
A whole lot of assumptions being made here.
>>27096098
Technology will have a much greater impact. Once we can live in paradise, policies won't matter.
/POL/ NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THEIR NORMIE BOARD
SECURE R9K FOR A ROBOTIC FUTURE
SAY NO TO THE /POL/LACK MENACE.
>>27096788
it's everywhere kid. your time is nearly over.
>people at the top use betas as workhorses to make them huge amounts of money while the beta masses live in comparative squalor
>this is just fine. if you weren't such a loser you'd be at the top too. everyone can be at the top just stop being a loser.
Idiots.
>having an outlook
>actually looking outside
