>Get pay check of $2462.09
>Government takes $952.64
How do they feel no guilt or shame? I don't care where it's going. To the few places like hospital care and whatnot is fine, but an enormous percentage of my earnings are gone because the government wants it.
The rage is unfathomable.
>>27051878
Lmao wageslave get rekt you might as well be getting payed to support me
>>27051878
They took 9k from my brother last year anon
It's fucking infuriating
>>27051878
Where are taxes that high?
>>27051878
They need that money much more than you do though.
>>27051963
Central Canada
>>27051878
Yuros got it even worse.
In Sweden in the 1970s, there was a famous author that wound up with a marginal tax rate of 102%. Something like a regular insanely high socialist top rate, with a flat 15% added on for being self-employed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomperipossa_in_Monismania
>>27051878
You make >100k salary before tax, you have absolutely no right to complain.
They take just as much from minwage ultimate poorfags that are struggling to even survive.
I'm in the US and my paychecks are about $2250 every 2 weeks and $800 goes towards taxes. I thought Canadians were supposed to have high taxes because "muh socialism". I blame the military-industrial complex.
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
You want your roads paved and you want clean water piped to your house and safe food on your supermarket shelves. You want schools and you want police and you want fire fighters and you want the military.
Some of it gets used for things you don't care about or things you don't like. That's unavoidable in a plural society. Some of it gets wasted and some of it gets misappropriated. That's unfortunately a consequence of human nature.
There are a lot of problems with any government structure, because those structures are fundamentally composed of human beings, each of whom is on some level a slave to their individual desires. Even with all its flaws, we are still greater than the sum of our parts and government can still be a great force for good when its purpose isn't being perverted.
>>27052138
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
Not much of it goes towards utilities. It's mostly welfare (mostly for old fucks who need to die already) and the military in the US at least.
>>27052084
a.) depends on what state you're in. California has its own income tax with a top rate of over 11%, on top of federal taxes. Some states have none.
b.) depends on how much you told your employer to withhold. If you get a big refund this tax season talk to whoever in HR handles that and ask to adjust your withholding. Ideally you'd get a refund of as close to zero as possible.
>>27052138
It's true that taxes are an injustice that we put up with because it's the only way we know how to provide public goods like roads and defense. It's also, however, perfectly right and proper to demand that the minimum possible be taken from you to provide such essentials, and not more.
>>27051878
is that your monthly pay?
I get about $2328 a month, they only take about $712 out from mine.
i'm in ontario canada, supposedly highest tax
>pay $2,600
>tax $550
>union dues $50
>pension $150
>take home $1850
>>27052138
>Some of it gets used for things you don't care about or things you don't like
the majority of it, you mean
Wait, they only take $952.64? If anything, the government should be taking more out of your paycheck since that money goes to people who really need it more than you.
>>27052188
Many of those old fucks also spent a lifetime working and paying into the system with the promise that they would receive things like social security when they retired.
>>27052201
>taxes are an injustice
They're really not. Nobody likes having money taken from their pockets, but it's a fact that to live in a modern society and not some third world shithole they are a necessity. There are still ways to lower your tax burden like retirement account contributions and other credits and deductions.
>>27052350
Nobody tells me where I can go, what I can say or what I can do as long as I am not causing harm to others. That alone is worth what I pay in taxes.
>make $1,104 every two weeks
>gov't takes $275
Fuck. $550 a month just to live in the US. Guess someone has to pay for the bullets.
>>27052329
>union
What do you do? Welding?
>>27052329
Where do you work? Tell me
>>27051878
Thanks for supporting my NEETbux OP I appreciate it
>>27052525
>>27052543
nurse at a hospital icu
>>27052485
>Nobody tells me where I can go, what I can say or what I can do as long as I am not causing harm to others
Except the police. And the courts. And the DMV. Pretty much anyone really.
>>27052504
Fun Fact: Social Security and Medicare cost several hundred billion dollars a year more than defense does. Also about a third of the defense budget (which is about a trillion dollars) is actually entitlements - pensions and medical care for veterans. The actual spending on active-duty soldiers, bullets, tanks, ships, planes, bases, and such, is closer to $600 billion, out of a ~$3.5 trillion federal budget.
>>27052504
A large chunk of that is paying for medicare and social security. So you're also paying for millions of old people to not die on the street of exposure or flood hospital emergency rooms as they die of disease.
>>27052586
I can walk or drive to any place I want to. I can't drive 100mph on the freeway, but I can do 70-80 just fine. The roads aren't mine alone, and in order for them to function for everybody we all agree to follow some standards of behavior. Freedom doesn't mean "fuck everybody else, I do what I want." You want a car, that means you register it and verify that it is fit to be out on the roads. It means you have to drive in a manner that reflects the fact that your actions risk more than just your own life.
>>27052586
>As long as I'm not causing harm
Kind of a key point, and is anyone someone who doesn't like what you're doing? Who cares? They don't have any authority over you
>>27052685
>You want a car, that means you register it and verify that it is fit to be out on the roads.
except for when you buy a vehicle from someone and you have to pay taxes on the amount you paid for it, plus "what its probably worth", as well as new tags and plates and whatever else the state claims you should be paying so that your vehicle is dubbed "legal".
not including DEQ, DMV or any other bullshit related to vehicles. it's a giant crock of shit.
>>27052685
>>27052737
Sorry, should have realized my point only applies if you're not richfag like OP. When you're poor the government only exists to steal your money and lock you up as fucking hard as they can.
>>27052754
Roads and bridges are built and maintained and you use them for free. Would you prefer every road were a toll road instead? That way you only pay for the roads you drive on. You've also got to pay for auto insurance.
If that's too unfair to you there's always the bus, or you could ride a bicycle. Those are much less expensive.
>>27051878
Do you know what streets are?
>>27052857
and yet a cyclist can use the same roads and bridges that a car uses, without having to pay anything. how exactly is that egalitarian or fair in any sense of the word?
>>27052857
>You've also got to pay for auto insurance.
Not if you live in New Hampshire.
>>27052857
Most money that goes towards transportation infrastructure comes from the tax on gasoline. A tax on consumption. The more you drive the mote you pay. Their is no reason for my Iowan car registration to be $50 when my friend paid $5 in Missouri and their roads are just fine even with a lower gas tax.
>>27052787
Every week that trash collectors just drive by my house and just laugh at me and yell, "nice try, poorfag," as they drive by without picking up my trash. Then the cops bang down my door because all the trash piling up in front of my house has given them probably cause that I'm poor. I tried to go to school but they turned me away because of all the patches on my clothes and the visible dirt cloud at my feet.
>>27052894
Because a bicycle and a car or truck cause roughly the same wear and tear on the roads.
>>27052898
When you crash into a bear you can offset the cost of repairs by selling the meat and fur.
>>27052869
Shouldn't cost that much.
>>27052931
>Because a bicycle and a car or truck cause roughly the same wear and tear on the roads.
so you agree that since a bicycle causes the same amount of wear and tear and pays nothing, that i shouldn't have to pay either.
Despite making a lot of money, you aren't even in that high of a tax bracket in the US.
Yet, I'm sure you're retarded and vote for conservative politicians who want working and middle class people to foot more of the bill so that the wealthy don't have to pay high taxes.
>>27052931
You've clearly never been too poor to pay for shit.
>oh my inspection is expiring soon
>old rusty muffler or whatever won't pass
>non essential part + can't afford
>no choice but to drive with expired inspection
>oh now i'm getting more tickets i can't pay
>now i'm getting fees and my license is gone
>live in usa where everything is far
>have to just drive with no license
>hmmm oh look more tickets and jail
>all because of fucking paperwork
Oh yeah i'm sure that slightly loud car was SUPER dangerous definitely had to get it off of the roads.
TOTALLY not just an excuse to steal money, NO WAY.
>>27051878
>the roads you use to get to work to make that money
>subsidies for private companies to put in pipes and electricity so your job can turn on a computer and make sure your stupid shit gets flushed away
>traffic operators so the streetlights/metro/however you get to work runs smoothly or at least sensical
Bitch I could go on, why the fuck do you think they take money
>>27051878
go fuck yourself
[original]
>>27053097
>mob asks for "protection money" in exchange for them keeping an eye on you
>illegal
>government outright takes a chunk of your paychecks in exchange for vague levels of assistance
>legal
>>27053038
I've been under the poverty line for the past 8 years, and I've been driving the same car since 2002. I've paid for annual renewals on auto insurance and registration on time, every time.
If you're poor it means you're not paying very much in taxes, if anything at all. The small portion you are paying isn't what's keeping you from maintaining your shitbox.
>>27051878
>do tax return
>usually get small refund because my work takes too much off automatically
>this year i owe
>i owe $0.71
>71 cents
>and don't think they won't send me an angry letter if i don't pay it to them
>consider sending payment in pennies in the mail
>>27053164
No, the unlivable minimum wage and constant theft are what prevent a sustainable lifestyle. If anything taxes should be higher so I can get a fucking break and some much needed assistance for once in my life.
>>27053155
Except with the mob it's fake, they're really just saying give us money or we'll fucking kill you, and if you give them money they do nothing with it that benefits you.
The government gets your money and builds roads and pays for teachers in public schools that your dumb ass used. The mob ever pay for your school, anon? Did the mob ever pave a road from your house to your work? No? Then get the fuck outta here
>>27052908
Just going to ignore this point, I see.
>>27053223
>minimum wage
careful what you wish for anon
>>27053223
40 hours a week on the minimum wage would put your effective tax rate at less than 5%, and if you're less than full time it means you probably qualify for things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, even if you don't have any dependents, which will probably bring your effective rate close to 0.
>>27051971
Enjoying your health care?
>>27052138
>le society
>le civilization
Fuck off with your spooks you liberal secular filth.
>>27053310
It's coming sooner or later, sooner just means society breaks down and basic income becomes a thing that much faster. Bring on the rioting.
>>27053332
I don't know what anything you just said means. I don't care how much I pay in tax as long as I have a fucking roof food and medical care. I don't have that so the system is broken and needs fixed.
>>27053259
>don't pay the mob
>get beaten/shot
>don't pay my taxes
>get put in prison for a decade, wherein i still owe all the taxes i didn't pay with compiled interest after i get out of prison
>neither situation would actively use my money for anything i actually needed
sure am glad that my utilities, insurance, taxes and property taxes all went up so that my town could pay a guy to hang out and watch the town piss away millions of dollars, instead of fixing roads and shit like they're apparently supposed to.
>>27053336
Haven't seen a doctor in 13 years, probably should. Last I heard there was more bloodwork to be done.
>>27053310
i don't care much about those being in the actual restaurant but man i would love to have a touch screen thingy to enter my order in the drivethrough.
>>27053361
>secular
Jesus said it best, "lol fuck the poor!"
>>27053594
"Blessed are you who are poor for yours is the kingdom of Heaven."
>>27053676
You're forgetting all the jesus laws you break by being poor like not stealing or being jealous tho.
>>27053594
"Who ever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will repay him for his deed."
>>27053701
you wut m8
>>27052138
>Implying your taxes go towards utilities
>Implying the vast, vast majority of your taxes don't go directly towards feeding/clothing/housing millions of spics and niggers
I don't mind paying taxes, I mind encouraging tumors
>>27053739
The commandments dude. Jesus laws.
>>27053395
>I don't know what anything you just said means.
I have no idea how to respond to this. How do you even function? If your income is low, your tax rate is going to be low. If you're making minimum wage, unless you're got multiple jobs working 60, 70, 80 hours a week, the taxes that you actually pay are going to be very low.
How do you even file your taxes? Even using software like turbotax or whatever will suggest ways to increase your deductions like taking advantage of the EITC, which is literally a tax credit for being one of the working poor. If you're single and make around $14k or less, you qualify for it and you get some more money back on your taxes.
If you're poor that also means that you can get a credit to pay for part of or the entirety of your insurance premiums, depending on what kind of plan you pick. You just need to enroll through the healthcare marketplace, which takes about 15 minutes on the website.
>>27053798
The 10 Commandments come from the Old Testament. Are you talking about the Sermon on the Mount?
>>27053814
They don't teach this shit in home economics. I've never done anything with tax and always assumed it was automatic. Seems perfectly reasonable to assume. Another example of american education being fucking useless I guess.
>>27053753
>not supporting NEETS
die
>>27053594
Secular doesn't mean 'poor'
>>27054373
>home economics
That's because you don't bake or sew your taxes. Do you not have parents or anybody who raised you?
Unless your employer has you as an independent contractor, they most likely withhold a certain amount of your paycheck for social security, medicare, federal, state and possibly city taxes. At the beginning of the next year you file your taxes for the previous year. If you're poor, it's very likely you'll get a rebate, which means that more was withheld from your paychecks than you owe for that year.
If your employer does withholdings on your paycheck and you're a poorfag, go spend $30 or whatever it is on some software and file your fucking taxes and get some money back. Even if you're classified as an independent contractor or whatever your shitty employer might do, you still need to file a tax return if you make more than $10k a year or whatever the minimum is. Go look it up on the IRS website. Your filing deadline is normally April 15th, but this year is the 18th because of a federal holiday mucking up the calendar.
>a whole paycheck worth of taxes
got my bonus on this paycheck
and got taxed.....roughly 35%
hey i'm in OP's boat, looks like
>>27051946
9k for the NEETs of r9k
>>27051878
What's wrong wagie? I thought you guys felt proud when you "contribute" to society?
>>27053395
>Bring on the rioting.
more accurately a divide:
Big Broogle and CUckerberg get all the awesome futureland stuff,
everyone else goes back to the 70s.
good times ahead,
>>27052857
>you only pay for roads you drive on
Actually, yes. I do want that. I'll gladly pay for things that affect me, but I could give fuck all about some nigger getting gubment cheese.
>>27056934
You better be right anon.
the everything (that includes normies) online all the time future is one we have to stop at all costs.
>>27051878
Iktf. Made $1200.00 last week but the gubment only let me keep $800.00 of it. Fucking greedy bastards.
Billions of that goes to military to build jets they don't even fly.
Billions to make Sesame Street pro America propaganda in Pakistan. (Look it up).
Billions to bail out Jewish bankers that destroyed the planet
Billions to PMC's to work outside of the law
>not selling drugs tax free
>>27056995
>Jewish bankers that destroyed the planet
when will society realize a religion that teaches its people they are "God's chosen ones" should never go unchecked?
>>27051878
thanks for my food stamps and healthcare bro
>>27057014
Careful, goyim.
You might incite a 3rd shoah!
>>27052485
>Many of those old fucks also spent a lifetime working and paying into the system with the promise that they would receive things like social security when they retired.
>I'm too much of an irresponsible retard to save my own money so I need da gubment to do it for me
Fuck you. Fuck Social Security. Fuck Welfare. If you need the government to save retirement money for you then you don't deserve it anyway. The poor should rely on the charity of others.
>>27051878
That's a fucking massive tax on your income. I don't even pay that much on $3600.
>>27051878
Claim 1(Yourself) allowance on your paycheck.
This is the reason you get a refund is because they are taking too much.
That is if you are living in the US. Your making roughly 30k so your effective tax rate would be a bit under 15% not over 30% like it is now.
>>27053097
>>27052138
Literally ''M-MUH ROADS'' Get fucked.
>>27051878
because you didn't send in your w1 tax form, which is why they take the max amount, if you never get your tax form back you will get 7000 dollars back if you do your taxes at the end of the year
>>27052084
>I blame the military-industrial complex.
Just think of the trillions the military receives just to fuck up and fail while being 100% protected from criticism because they've somehow convinced everyone killing the poorest people in the poorest countries is part of a war for our survival that needs endless amounts of money for multiple generations.
But keep taking your anger out on neets, guys. They're the real problem.
>>27057162
^this guy is right
but the neets need a fix, you fags could at least do routine community service.
>>27052138
If the government didn't waste away so much money on retarded shit, and government employees and contractors didnt leech so much money, we wouldn't have taxes so high.
>>27051878
u mad wagecuck?
original
>>27057162
NEETs are closer to home and easier to blame.
Muh brave men and womyn of the armed forces out there fighting for muh freedomz aren't a daily topic.
>>27054627
this is the most dioidoic post ive ever fucking seen dont kill yourself but deeply consider your flawed throught process s NOIGGER
>>27051878
I wouldn't care so much if I didn't know the money was going to lazy koolaid drinking welfare niggers to buy new shoes and "bling" and probably drugs
>>27057162
new movement
fuck the troops
>get over $150k a year
>pay about 15% in taxes
Not too shabby.
>>27051878
that's what happens when our military budget goes full retard
>>27057419
>most dioidoic post
>throught process s NOIGGER
>mfw
>>27051981
Have you ever held a job? Most places pay bi-weekly, not every week.
>>27057516
our military budget is on par with other nations though
>>27058119
Canada spends like 1% GDP on the military while nato wants at least 3% or something
>>27051878
>mfw im a neet living of neetbux
OP you should pay more in taxes. I need a new laptop :^)
>>27052559
Bicyclists are some of the biggest cucks though
Unless you are a bunch of rich fucks in some high tax bracket, you are going to get most of it back when you claim it.
So stop bitching. If you weren't such, impatient children, you would be richer
>>27058308
t. Shlomo "gas the goys" Shekelburg
Vote for bernie Sanders he will give everyone in the US 1million dollars for free
>>27053165
Just claim a small chairitable deduction so you don't owe anything
>>27051971
Health ca-
Oh someone already made that joke. Enjoying the social services, anon?
I lived in the Netherlands where the highest tax bracket is 52% which starts at 57k a year.
I moved to the Czech Republic because fuck that senpai. Gonna move to Malta soon I think.
>>27061341
Is Czech a difficult language to learn?
>>27061381
Yeah it's hard as fuck
>>27051878
>make $5000 / mo
>government takes $1600
>non-projects housing starts at $800/mo
>gas $7.50 / gallon
Fuck this gay Earth.
>>27058308
This isn't how it works. You shouldn't overpay income tax throughout the year. You are lending the government money interest free AND it means your payroll company is not doing their job properly.
>>27061842
>$7.50/g wtf, Australia?
I earned EUR 42980.31 in 2015. Adding them all up, I had to pay EUR 13011.46 in taxes, 30 percent of my yearly income. Adding our countless other taxes, I'm giving away half of my income to the government.
>>27062091
Europoors will never understand.
I'm voting for the guy who wants to make zero taxes if you make under 50k. Feels good man.
>>27051981
I make >100k and I still hate paying taxes. Half this (USA) country pays no federal income tax. Don't give me that "the rich pay less then the poor in taxes" bullshit that is spouted by every idiot that has never payed income taxes.
>inb4 Warren Buffet
He's wrong too. He's just playing politics because no matter the tax rate he's already made more money than he could ever spend.
>but muh capital gains tax
Yeah wow, I get taxed at a lower rate on the sale of stock that I purchased with my after income taxed dollars. So fortunate. Totally doesn't drive up risky investments knowing I have to factor in a 15-20% haircut when I sell them.
>but muh vesting options
This is legitimate but I'd take cash over stock desu senpai because then I could choose to purchase that stock.
I wish taxes were voluntary. Imagine a system where you could pay for the stuff you want and not pay for the stuff you don't want.
>mfw OP is old and living on that system that he was forced kicking and screaming to contribute to
>>27062171
>Imagine a system where you could pay for the stuff you want and not pay for the stuff you don't want.
Then no one would pay for healthcare until they were sick, no one would pay for the military unless we were at war, etc.
Now that I think about it, that isn't a terrible idea.
>>27062159
>Europoors will never understand.
Most nations in the EU were kingdoms of some sort in the past. The modern democracies developed from that root. This gave the ground for that raging boner for big nanny governments in Europe.
>>27061618
I better start practicing then.
>>27062190
>Then no one would pay for healthcare until they were sick, no one would pay for the military unless we were at war, etc.
People would have to pay their medical bills, just as they have to do right now. As for security forces and the military, there is a constant need for a standing army, but the amount of money thrown into the United States Army is just insane.
>>27062190
lol
I really wouldn't mind paying for a lot of government. I think I'm mostly just upset about perceived waste. I should get more politically involved if I care that much, but the truth is I really don't so they can continue to fleece me because the system is 'good enough' for now.
>>27062232
>People would have to pay their medical bills, just as they have to do right now
That's why I don't like universal healthcare. I may have let my body go to shit, but that was my choice and no-one should have to pay for that.
>standing army, but the amount of money thrown into the United States Army is just insane.
Our military should be big enough to allow our technological development to be better than the second best country, and it should be big enough to ensure that shit like what's happening in teh south china sea can't happen. Any more than that, like our current military, is completely asinine.
>>27062171
>Imagine a system where you could pay for the stuff you want and not pay for the stuff you don't want.
This is why general funds are a bad idea. They're always mismanaged and over spent. Taxes that are collected in direct correlation with the use of the service they provide/cost most people have no issues with.
Like hunting licenses help pay for ranger salaries and park preservation. The people that like to hunt don't mind (usually) chipping in because it shows the state they value having pristine wilderness and state parks.
I don't mind donating to my kid's school.
Or turnpikes fees (public or private) because I use that road everyday and I don't mind paying for it because I value it.
But if I don't use the road, then I don't pay for it so I'm also content.
The issue is when you just take an arbitrary amount from everyone just because and put it in a giant bucket and wonder why it's spent so terribly. (ala Social Security).
It's because there's a big disconnect between the people supplying the money and the people spending it.
>>27062288
>That's why I don't like universal healthcare.
We have universal healthcare and I sure do see the benefits. However, it turned out to be a financial burden. We are performing expensive surgeries on people way beyond their 70's, just because the hospitals can make a profit out of it. With the increasing number of elders, this will bring our medical system to it's knees.
>>27051878
It goes to subsidize university tuition and Jamal's illegitimate progeny.
>>27051878
Vote trump and you'll never have to worry
