25+ virgins of /r9k/, why haven't you gotten a prostitute?
>>26934649
Why would I pay to masturbate?
>>26934649
I'm planning to get one when I reach 30, the funny thing is I'm very rich I just refuse to tell women that because I want them to love me for who I am. But I'm starting to believe no one will love me.
>>26934649
So I can give it to the girl I'll be with for the rest of my life.
I have no idea how to get one.
>>26934649
Because I can fuck my girlfriend at any time.
Shit I'm in the wrong thread again.
being with an escort won't fix your awkwardness.
it's just starting backwards, instead of courting you just skip to the sex, and then you slowly have a convo and get a feel for how they are like.
>>26934649
I don't care enough about sex to pay a whore for it.
I got close to sleeping with one once. I'm 36 and I haven't done it because I didn't want sex, I wanted a relationship. Now at my age I just simply don't care anymore, my heart is frozen and I don't really believe in love anymore. I don't want a relationship anymore even if one popped up, I just want to be left alone. Back when I was younger I still did.
When I was I think 30 or so, I don't recall too clearly, I came to know this girl who was a prostitute. I decided one day I didn't want to be a virgin anymore and I just wanted to get it over with. I called her up and told her, let's do this. She came over, I paid her and she started undressing and feeling me up.
I wasn't afraid or anxious. I wasn't excited or anything. I just felt a very deep depression iside. When I saw her naked it just felt wrong and I just felt pathetic. I realized that wasn't what I wanted, I didn't just want to lose my virginity. What meaning is there in that? I wanted someone to love. I buckled up and told her I just didn't want to anymore. Told her to keep the money and thanks for her time. She was actually really cool and understanding and gave me my money back but I still gave her a little bit for wasting her time. After that I just laid in bed for like an hour and stared at a wall.
From then on I just slowly stopped believing in love and relationships and now I just don't care. I'm actually a lot happier now for it albeit jaded.
>>26934661
He's asking why you haven't paid to have sex with a woman. Masturbation is a solo act.
>>26934955
Sounds similar to my situation but I'm 26. Affection and intimacy are desirable, apathetic sex isn't.
I want someone who actually loves me. That probably sounds pathetically mopy but it's true. The thought of paying makes me sick.
But there's basically no chance of ever finding someone who likes me. I can barely make friends, I constantly suffer depression and anxiety, I'm ugly and cowardly, so what fucking hope do I have ever of ever finding a GF.
I fail to see why I should care...?
How would sex benefit me that couldn't be fulfilled through other means?
>>26934649
What's the point of paying to get a hollow, useless version of what everyone experiences for free?
Why would I pay a woman to have awkward sex with me while she tries to hide the fact that she finds me absolutely disgusting, when what I want is just human touch, intimacy, warmth?
I guess my answer to your question is that I don't see the point. What we miss isn't the mechanical penis in vagina pumping motion, it's everything that's supposed to naturally lead to it. And you can't buy that.
>putting pussy on a pedestal
>not just paying for a rent-a-gf
>>26935086
>says he doesn't put pussy on a pedestal yet pays for the privilege of fucking one
>>26934955
What meaning do you derive from life? Do you have family? Parents, siblings? Friends? Goals?
Not trolling, just curious.
>>26935104
well yeah, puss puss.
>>26935056
>tfw someone stole my old posting shtick of only posting sobchan pictures
>>26935104
you gotta pay one way or another this way at least you both get what you want and dont have to deal with any bullshit
I don't have friends. Affection is difficult for me towards anyone, only family in my life is my dad because he cared when my mom was shitting on me at home.
I kind of feel that at least knowing that "I'm not a virgin' might make me feel better but the truth is that I'd really rather jack off. Doing anything with another person, especially something so intimate, feels more like a violation of personal space than 'something good' to me.
I'm probably going to procrastinate on it until I die at this point.
>>26935235
really this, you both save a ton of time and emotional investment.
>>26935235
By paying for pussy you're elevating it and giving it value. You're putting it on a pedestal and saying that this is something worth throwing my money at.
>>26935152
I post sobchan/nns' pics since summer 2014 or so, sorry for stealing your shtick whatever that means but it belongs to people with IBDs now because I just decided it. Shoo shoo, smooth colon. Normalguts.
>>26934941
it can help though, it takes the away the feeling that sex is the ultimate prize.
>>26935235
>you gotta pay one way or another
Or you could simply not pay and don't bother entirely. You're part of the problem.
>>26934649
I'm not really interested. Not sure why.
>>26935331
Well, on the couple of occasions I went to a strip club I didn't have any fun and didn't really like the experience. I assume that seeing a prostitute would be kinda like that but more expensive.
I have a rule, or maybe a mandatory condition is a better phrase, about prostitutes. If i start to thinking i would like to hire myself a hooker, I masturbate first and see how I feel about the idea after orgasm. Every single time I have promptly decided it's a dumb idea and total waste of money and that if I really wanted to have sex with somehow i didn;t care about i could go to a bar and try to pick up some girl for a one nighter for free (minus drinks). I'm not ugly, I just have very little motivation to go through the motions.
>>26934746
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>>26934649
>this thread again
What's the point of losing your virginity to a used whore who you have no emotional connection with?
>>26935498
I'm sure that celibacy until marriage would sound hilarious to an immoral spic
It always surprises me, on some deep level, when this question comes up in virgin/wizard threads. It betrays, I suppose, a lack of understanding with regard to why virginity at a relatively late age is such an unpleasant thing.
To be a virgin at an age when the vast majority of men aren't serves as a radical rejection in a very fundamental sense. Almost every man has experienced a woman who wanted him, found him acceptable, desirable. I'm not speaking of some grand love or anything, merely a mutual experience between two people who actually wanted each other. It's a basic part of the human experience.
If you've been left out of that experience, going to a prostitute to lose your virginity just drives home the truth that no one actually wants you. You are not desirable to anybody. It's different for men who have had sex with women who wanted then in the past, and may resort to a prostitute for a bit of fun. It's different for a virgin for whom a prostitute is the only option.
It's why I myself have never visited a prostitute. It would be admitting to myself, on a visceral level, what I already know intellectually: I am unattractive in a way few men are. I am so repulsive that I need to pay a woman to touch me. Few men, very few men, are quite that repulsive.
I probably wouldn't lose my soul in the process (let's be honest, I lost that when I took on the wizard mantle).
But I have no doubt my heart would break.
>>26935582
But you aren't undesirable through any action of your own, it's simply a product of your circumstances. So why attach your self-worth to it? People desire each other for disgustingly superficial reasons, it's nothing to be jealous of.
>>26935118
Right now I'm just trying to live a comfy life, save up money, focus on hobbies and having fun. I'd like to buy a nice house on a big plot of land and maybe become an old farmer one day. I think that would be very comfy and enjoyable. Basically just focusing all my efforts on me and my desires and not anyone else.
>>26935582
That's deep anon. But I relate. Something like 98% of men have sex by their mid 20s, and most of them aren't kissless wretches like us.
I wish I could just start all over again. Loneliness is the worst thing a man can experience. Knowing that nobody will ever find you desirable is just soul destroying.
>>26935641
I'll help you farm if that happens. Always liked the idea of the agrarian life.
>>26935582
I just imagined a black robed wizard with his face hidden saying your entire post in one of those tired majestic voices and found it very amusing.
Its all thanks to that trip.
>>26935640
>But you aren't undesirable through any action of your own, it's simply a product of your circumstances. So why attach your self-worth to it?
For good or for ill, I am a human being. I desire what human beings desire. Although one's self worth does not rely fully upon any one aspect of the human experience, to be deprived of a fundamental part of it damages that humanity. It makes you sick, a semi-person in some respects. Freaks are human beings, after all, but they do not live as humans live. To be both human and monster is a terrible state to be in. It hurts, deeply.
>Loneliness is the worst thing a man can experience. Knowing that nobody will ever find you desirable is just soul destroying.
There is something to that. Virginity, the wizard -way, doesn't really affect the body. Not really. It does, however, make the soul sick. And the reasons for that cannot be remedied by visiting a prostitute. Which is men such as ourselves don't visit them. Not because it's immoral or wrong, but because it would do no good.
>>26935552
why should you wait until marriage?
and why do you want to stay with someone until you die?
>>26935253
pussy always has a value thats why low level bitches can get guys out of their league.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oe7Q8OCm5I
living the dream
Dysmorphophobia and fear of women.
>>26935785
Because people enter relationships for all the wrong reasons, such as sex. Abstaining until marriage renders the relationship affinity-oriented rather than sex-oriented. Cohabitation increasing the risk of divorce proves this.
>>26935785
>and why do you want to stay with someone until you die?
Our bodies are capable of releasing chemicals which keep us attached in the long-term. I'd imagine that through the highs and lows of marriage, the relationship would reform, and could be gained from to improve character. Marriage means commitment, provides legal benefits, and I'd not reproduce outside it.
I know it's not a good idea to get married nowadays. I'd only get married if I were in a committed relationship for a few years and felt that I could like and trust the other person enough to live with and mother my children.
>>26935781
So your "soul" is sick because of a problem that wouldn't exist if you were born more attractive? If you really can't escape that feeling, I'm sorry, but surely you can see that it doesn't make sense.
>>26935582
This right here is right on the money.
Moved me to tears to be honest.
I got one year to go to reach wizard status.
Bieng lonely truly erodes the soul like little else can.
Because I've given in to 2D.
>>26936002
Thats not really the point. People with low self-esteem often have fantasies where they are suddenly important, wealthy, powerful, beautiful, valued, infamous etc. because they want the self worth. In american society sex is a sign of being 'normal', 'healthy', and most of all 'successful'.
So really its not as much about the sex as the lack of feeling understood and appreciated. Also the lack of close physical contact with other people which is vital for healthy functioning.
>>26934649
Waiting for true love
;_;
>>26935992
OK you have a good point in the first one
I'm a schizoid btw
>>26936002
>So your "soul" is sick because of a problem that wouldn't exist if you were born more attractive?
Correct. Now, bear in mind that I am not using "soul" to mean some transcendent spirit-self. Rather, I am using the word to describe the subjective experience of a physical being. That experience can be explained due to physical processes, but cannot be reduced to it, because doing so does not take into account the experience itself. See?
The experience of my own humanity is harmed by not being able to live as humans feel compelled to live. My "soul" is thereby hurt and made sick as I described.
>If you really can't escape that feeling, I'm sorry, but surely you can see that it doesn't make sense.
Ah, I try to escape that feeling! I employ scotch quite liberally in an attempt to do so, but it's in vain. I really can't escape it. As much as I try to kill my humanity off with liquor, it has the irritating habit of surviving.
>>26934649
Now I'm not a virgin, but if I was still a virgin I would never buy a prostitute. What I need is a connection to relieve me from oppressive loneliness, not an expensive wank. Fughing a girl I have no future with will not improve my mood, it won't even be a good distraction.
>>26936110
I understand all that, but no one who's appreciated has earned that appreciation, it's all the result of the random chain of cause and effect that determines each person's life. And appreciation has no objective value, so I don't understand why people really care about rejection. Sure, it feels bad in your mammalian brain, but I don't think you can logically justify why it should matter.
>>26936284
Fair enough, I hope one day you'll be able to wear down that compulsion as much as I have. I find wanting nothing preferable to wanting what I'll never be able to have.
>>26936431
>I hope one day you'll be able to wear down that compulsion as much as I have.
I hope and pray for that as well. But, let's be honest. If any god listened to my prayers, I wouldn't be a wizard.
And, having said all that, even at my relatively advanced age, the libido hasn't died yet. Not surprising. I was staring at and fantasizing about women while I was still in kindergarten. It filled me with a great deal of guilt, and I was far too young to even begin to understand why.
Of course, my libido makes me all the more disgusting. Joseph Merrick was repulsive, but Joseph Merrick with an erection would have been infinitely more so. We like our freaks sexless, after all. That makes them inhuman and, consequently, acceptable.
>>26934686
>implying women would be all over you if you told them you were rich
kek
>>26936892
I told this one black girl from new jersey and she wouldn't stop texting me.
>>26936799
You sound like a Wizard of great insight and arcane power, Oh WitchKing.
I humbly request your thoughts on this long-dead conversation on Wizards long ago:
http://crasstalk.com/2014/05/the-ideologies-of-wizardchan-virgin9000
Your way of writing reminds me of some of the more insightful wizard posters in that forum long ago.
>>26934686
>I'm planning to get one when I reach 30, the funny thing is I'm very rich I just refuse to tell women that because I want them to love me for who I am. But I'm starting to believe no one will love me.
I think we might be ever so slightly similar. I have a prestigious career that woman want in a boyfriend/spouse,Doctor, and in the past I tried using it a few times.
I now try not to let them know what I do for a living. In the end, you just end up attracting females who have all sorts of ideas that would just lead to unhappiness for both of us.
>>26937484
I've been to wizardchan a couple of times and, although it has potential, I've always been a bit underwhelmed by it.
That title of "wizard" is a curious thing. In traditional lore, a wizard or a witch is a human being who is also, in a sense, a monster. They are human beings, but do not live as human beings live. The Indian yogis are terrifying because they are human beings who do not belong to the caste system like "real" human beings do. The skinwalkers of various Amerindian cultures were terrifying because they were people who, although people, were not fully people.
From what I've seen, the majority of the posters on wizardchan have never fully appreciated their fundamentally monstrous nature. A demon is disgusting, cast-out by God, but despite this (or rather, because of this) enjoys a certain kind of power.
I hate being a monster, just as many of the wizardchan posters hate it. The difference is that, although I resent it, I also appreciate the significance of being that monster. There is something sacred about it. Sure, it is the sacredness of the burning grounds, of ghosts and jackals. It is treading on holy ground that is holy not because it is beautiful, but because no one else treads upon it.
When all is said and done, I don't know any men my age who are still virgins. I have only one friend left, and he's happily married with 3 children. We don't discuss such things. I've looked for others who share my experiences, and have come up lacking.
Sadly, even wizardchan has been unable to fill that void. Let's be honest. Most of those men are apprentices. And they, like the vast majority of men, will lose their virginity and live as humans live.
>>26937779
WitchKing, I would like to exchange some sort of contact information with you, your writing is quite impressive in some ways. By the way, I am also a wizard and have been for many years.
I have always have been with women just for sex.
I have never paid for it but it sounds like a rush.
I might do it if I really want to use a person like a sex doll.
Want the first time that will never happen to actually be with someone that I care about, know well, or that likes me for me. The fact that I've never stuck my dick in a hole doesn't bother me. I don't desire the expensive fap session with legal questionability and risk of STD's just so I can claim I'm no longer a virgin or whatever label.
What bothers me is that I've never been close enough to a girl to even consider a relationship or sex. I can''t say that I've tried. But at this point in my life, I think the fact that no girl has approached me is indicative of something wrong with me, more so than simply being somewhat avoidant or a recluse. I no longer have the false optimism that something may happen, now that I have no college experience or what have you forcing circumstances upon me where I must meet other people and go outside my comfort zone.
>>26935262
>Shoo shoo, smooth colon. Normalguts.
I suppose this is one aspect in which I've been enormously fortunate.
After about 15 years of GI problems with no diagnosis (except that it was maybe psychiatric and thus in-my-head), I found out I had non-classical type of food allergy. I thought those troubles would never be over, and then all of a sudden like a miracle, they were.
>>26934649
No money = no hooker.
>>26934649
Don't even know where I would get one.
>>26938653
No caca = no poo poo.
>>26938655
You can check for hooker around your area on the internet, depending on where you live.
>>26938215
>By the way, I am also a wizard and have been for many years.
It's a truly terrible thing, isn't it? The apprentices, although I love them dearly, cry and weep about their loneliness, and then return two weeks later bidding us all farewell, because they've had sex and, consequently, are human now.
Funny, in a sense. I've seen it on this board time and time again. Which is fair enough. That's the normal course of things. Which, unfortunately, is little consolation for men like us who are not permitted to participate in the normal course of things.
What can one say? Nature is cruel. I wish I believed in a God if only for the satisfaction of blaspheming Him. Cursing Nature seems insufficient in a way, no? God has purpose, Nature is blind. If I'm going to be damned, I'd rather the one damning me know He's doing so. But, then again, I'm a romantic. And the world has no place for ugly romantics.
I would like to exchange contact information, but I don't have a Skype account or anything like that. But I tend to find myself in threads like these. I have no doubt you'll find yourselves in them too.
