>trying to learn how to draw
>every day, drawing becomes less and less enjoyable
>just keep drawing!
I don't feel like I'm getting any better. It's so hard to improve if every time I look at my artwork, I feel horrible for drawing something so bad.
>go on /ic/
>post some of your drawings and ask what it is that you need to work on
>ask for book reccomendations
>follow books, maybe watch some videos
>practice, practice, practice
It's that simple.
just destroy your work when you've finished and move on
>>26859479
I'm in the same boat anon. I at least want to reach the level of skill as the good artist kids from my highschool. But then I think about it, they probably started at 10-12 and therefore had 3-5 years of experience already, now they have 10 more on top of that. I won't see results for 3-4 more years and I'm already 22 T_T
Why does it have to be so difficult and why do I draw like I have Parkinson's? I just want to be good enough to draw comics that don't look like shit
Well then you should stop.
There are too many artists in the world already.
Find something that actually improves the world, like being an electrician.
A lot of
>>26859640
fags will tell you you should keep doing something you don't enjoy, the world doesn't need, and will never make you any money, until you die. These people are masochists who want you to be a masochist too.
If you're using that image for your drawing then stop. You can't get better if you're learning from shit instructions and artwork. Get some actual techniques that help simplify the body while still maintaining its features. I'd post an image but I'm on my phone.
You could also get photos of mostly naked people doing different poses (there are books for that with like 1000 poses) and just keep drawing 1-3 poses every day until you get the hang of proportions and the human body.
/ic/ might have some helpful resources, just don't fall for their memes to intentionally make you shit. And as /ic/ says, you need to be able to draw the human body correctly regardless of what art style you develop it; whether it's mango or toons.
>>26859707
His problem is not that he does not enjoy drawing. He's getting discouraged because of lack of progress.
He won't become electrician or anything worhtwile with that attitude because everything that is worth something will be hard at some point.
>>26859640
>going on /ic/
>ever
They just say "muh Loomis!" and offer nothing valuable in return.
>>26859707
>I'm not good at activity A
>looks like I should give up
Just because you want to get good at something doesn't mean it'll be enjoyable. With the right advice you can get better and it is enjoyable to be good or see improvement in your ability.
>>26859769
>the "any good artist has to first become a perfect photo-realist and THEN deconstruct to iconography" meme
See OP, this is why you have to quit.
This faggot probably has a blogspot where he redlines the Sunday funnies.
>>26859808
>His problem is not that he does not enjoy drawing
>every day, drawing becomes less and less enjoyable
>less and less enjoyable
>>26859769
I'm trying to into anatomy right now. It sucks, because anatomy is harder for me than any other subject taught in schools.
>>26859479
you won't become better if you have no interest in it
go make some friends
>>26859479
You need to keep your old sketch books and go through them every few months. You will see progress.
Don't be afraid to post work, and ask for critiques
>>26859854
>I don't feel like I'm getting any better. It's so hard to improve if every time I look at my artwork, I feel horrible for drawing something so bad.
> I feel horrible for drawing something so bad.
>so bad
Learn to read.
>>26859830
>taking his normal advice out of context to make it sound insane so you dont have to put any effort in
if you don't know how to do proportions you'll end up just another wonky as fuck tumblr artist even if you're just drawing ed edd and eddy porn
>>26859830
Nice argument point.
Regardless of what you do there is objective ability. This includes art. Note that I'm not saying it's completely objective and one art style is objectively worse than another. There are fundamental skills you need to develop for art: proportions, shading, etc.
I'm saying that one of the best ways to learn those is by learning to draw humans normally (not as furries or whatever you jack off to) to understand the proportions before modifying them for your own art style. There's a reason they teach kids to draw that rather than cartoons.
>>26859864
But my friends are all so good. I just wish I was back in middle school where I could just practice drawing without the pressure to get good now.
>>26859946
>implying you can't make your own 3d furries to life draw.
>>26859953
Right?
Tfw you will never go back ;_;
>>26859868
>don't be afraid to post work
The last time I tried that, I got "Why do people feel the need to troll the beginners threads?" I rarely get positive feedback.
>>26860006
Post it here
Oc
>>26859479
If you have no talent, you won't get anywhere. If you had talent, you would find "learning" to draw easy, just like people who have talent for math find math easy, and so on. It would be a joy to you.
As it is, it's a frustrating chore, and you can plow through it by sheer determination, but you'll never have the natural skill of someone born with it, and you'll basically be a drawing robot, not an artist.
Sorry dude.
Here's my anatomy/proportions practice so far today.
>>26860029
Fine. I'll be a drawing robot. Sure beats being a robot with no skills whatsoever. Honestly, what are the alternatives? Not draw and watch animu?
>>26860079
The alternative is either to be born into the right family/country/etc. conditions and with the right genetics that something you like to do and have the talent for actually makes you decent money, or to be born into enough money so you can pay other more skilled people to do things that please you.
If you feel any kind of a creative impulse, unless you have one of those two things, you will always be unhappy.
>>26860116
They're not alternatives if they both start with "be born."
>>26860029
That's not true. Most talented people will tell you that there will be moments when you need to push yourself through and do it even if you hate it.
Many people at that are at the top don't even like being called talented because it undermines all of their hard work.
>>26860137
I didn't say they were viable.
>>26860153
And most people who were born into money will berate the ones born into poverty and tell them it's their own fault and they have to work harder and just get a small million dollar loan. What's your point.
>>26860167
Well, I have no viable alternatives, so I'll keep drawing for now.
>>26860167
My point is that there is a very small number of people who can learn skills without ever hating it if there are even people like that.
Of course if you hate the whole thing it's stupid to keep on going but it's even more stupid to drop the thing you know you want do to just because it's unpleasent at this moment, even though you liked it before it got hard.
>>26860235
>My point is that there is a very small number of people who can learn skills without ever hating it if there are even people like that.
This is completely ludicrous, most people just go with the flow of what seems the easiest for them (what they have a natural inclination and the right circumstances in life for).
>>26860258
That's true but there is no one except maybe few people with savant syndrome who will blaze through everything. Do you think that successful artists never thought "My drawings are shit?", "I will never be good?", "Why am I even trying?"
Most of them do. Sometimes you need to get over it and sometimes you need someone to get you over it.
>>26860334
>Do you think that successful artists never thought "My drawings are shit?", "I will never be good?", "Why am I even trying?"
Of course not. The difference is that an untalented person will think this objectively about something that's barely a shitty stick figure, and a talented person will think this subjectively because it's not perfectly in line with the vision in their heads.
>>26860057
Try breaking the body down into basic shapes like circles and rectangles, then connect them together, and move onto the finalised body. By breaking the body apart and labelling joints (usually as circles) you will get a better understanding on what way things bend and how they're connected together.
Try checking art books or anatomy books that have detailed bodies (medical books are helpful in understanding muscle structures and placements). Also try to work from a picture if drawing the human body, or even for more detailed parts like hands use your own body as an example. Just make sure not to copy exactly from an image, understanding is the key to getting better.
>>26860399
>break it down into shapes
Crap. This is where I struggle. How do you know which shapes to break them down into?
>>26860394
But how do you know if you are looking objectively or subjectively? What if this anon is talented and it's just normal with the amount of experience he's got right now that his drawing will look shitty?
If you get bored of focusing in one aspect of art, like construction just jump unto something else. Keep it fresh for yourself, try colouring, shading, fast drawing, life drawing.
Jump between your options when it becomes more work than fun.
>>26859812
this, ever since loomis became a meme it's gone downhill
Then don't do just aimless drawing.
Come up with either daily, weekly, and monthly studies or projects to work on.
Sort of like: this month, I will do a study on showing emotion through body posture.
Week 1: Aggression
Week 2: Attraction
Week 3: Fear
Week 4: Confidence
Then each day of that week just choose a scenario to draw.
Also like other anons have said, watch or read, at least 1 hour of new learning material every day.
Good luck!
>>26860394
>Of course not
You sound really delusional. Is it because you're not born into talent and you gave up? I won't make assumptions. Almost every successful or talented person had to work their ass off to get that good. Regardless of you being born with talent, someone with actual experience and practice is better than someone without. Try keeping your butt hurt opinions to yourself rather than discouraging people.
>>26860832
>>You sound really delusional.
Why? I was literally confirming what you said.
>Regardless of you being born with talent, someone with actual experience and practice is better than someone without.
This is demonstrably false, you can find 5 year old kids who can paint photorealistic paintings, or do extremely complex mathematical operations in their heads, that would never be possible to "learn" or do without a calculator for a normal person.
>>26860435
I couldn't really find a great example, but this image should give you a general gist (although it does make it seem extremely two-dimensional).
I used to start off with sharper shapes like rectangles, etc. connected by the joints which are represented with circles- think of them as the bones of your drawing, they can only bend on the joints. That helped me understand how and where the body should/can bend. After that I smoothed out and made a human silhouette using the shapes as guidelines. Try drawing a human body in different poses, like I suggested before, to get the hang of it.
Remember that the body is usually the size of 7-8 heads (I wouldn't worry about this too much though, since it may throw you off proportion, just remember that if the head looks too big/small).
Once you get better you can get medical books or just drawing books and draw muscles/tendons from a detailed picture to help flesh out (literally) your drawings. Since the muscles in your drawing just seemed to be more of a guesstimate rather than understanding of anatomy.
>>26860809
Bumping this.
Showing emotion through body posture definitely makes your brain work more rather than mindlessly practicing (although it is still important to practice) and can be refreshing.
Watching or reading new material definitely helps, even if you don't necessarily want to use it. By seeing how different artists construct the body can develop your understanding on how to do it the way that best suits you.
>>26861183
Awesome. I've been watching mainly Proko videos. Are there any other channels you'd recommend?
>>26861249
I mostly learned from other people, books, and myself. I did watch one channel which I forgot the name of and it wasn't that good.
>>26861249
Not the same anon but you can check out Sycra.
Some people bash him for his style but he's got a very good understanding of what he's doing.
>>26860862
>I was literally confirming what you said.
It wasn't me that said it. A talented person will not always think subjectively about the drawing being in line with their heads, just because they're 'talented' doesn't mean they're objectively perfect in every aspect.
>5 year old kids who can paint photorealistic paintings
>"no source, based off of my assumptions"
Either way someone is not just born with the ability to draw objectively well. Thinking that someone just picks up a pencil or paintbrush and manages to create a masterpiece just because they're talented is narrow minded.
Obviously some people are just naturally able to co-ordinate better than others, and are faster learners, but it doesn't mean that someone who isn't as 'talented' will never be as good.
>or do extremely complex mathematical operations in their heads, that would never be possible to "learn"
Majority of those kids are autistic.
Either way it is straying from the debate, since being able to solve problems that have on objective answer, and being able to draw well from an infinite possibility of options are completely different things.
>>26861588
>>>5 year old kids who can paint photorealistic paintings
>>"no source, based off of my assumptions"
You can literally google it, retard.
>Majority of those kids are autistic.
So?
>since being able to solve problems that have on objective answer, and being able to draw well from an infinite possibility of options are completely different things.
Yeah for example when you draw a portrait you always have to choose from an infinite number of heads to draw on it.
>>26861616
>You can literally google it, retard.
You mean how feminists can google the gender wage gap, yet they somehow still believe it exists because one source says so?
>So?
Autism is an anomaly in the data.
>when you draw a portrait you always have to choose from an infinite number of heads to draw on it
It doesn't necessarily have to be a portrait of a real person. When drawing you can draw someone with an infinite possibility of nose shapes, shades of skin, etc.
>>26860862
>Why? I was literally confirming what you said.
It's a different anon, anon.
>This is demonstrably false, you can find 5 year old kids who can paint photorealistic paintings, or do extremely complex mathematical operations in their heads, that would never be possible to "learn" or do without a calculator for a normal person.
Can you tell me how many people that made it in the industry can say that they were painting photorealistic paintings at the age of 5?
Most of them had to work their asses off.
I agree that some people get ridiculous advantage from the start but it doesn't mean that everyone who succeed is a genius.
You can achieve a very high level of skill just by hard work and sometimes even the prodigy will fail just because he never had to learn how to work hard and he will quit after finding his first obstacle.
Talent will get you nowhere without hard work and hard work will get you far even without the talent.
In most things we don't even need perfection, you don't have to be best of the best, just good enough. If you compare many of the successful artists of today with all the geniuses that were born in the past they will look like children and yet they are still very skilled, still making a career out of their skill and they are still inspiring.
With your kind of thinking people should not try to do anything unless they are geniuses and they are born with predisposition to become a legend in their field.
>>26861772
>I agree that some people get ridiculous advantage from the start but it doesn't mean that everyone who succeed is a genius.
My point is that it is a bell curve, and the extreme outliers exist on both sides, and the only ones who are really made for a certain thing are the upper 5-10%. The outliers I'm talking about are obviously the 1% or less.
If you're average or below average, there is absolutely no chance of you ever making it, just like in every other aspect of life.
>Talent will get you nowhere without hard work
This is complete bullshit. Talent + knowing one person who can get you to use it productively = success in life. And when you're talented, the work isn't hard.
>With your kind of thinking people should not try to do anything unless they are geniuses and they are born with predisposition to become a legend in their field.
Absolutely not. I'm talking about the basic prerequisites to even HAVE a field.
>>26859479
it's like that with every creative thing you try to learn lol
>>26861863
Holy fug. You're the most retarded pessimistic faggot on this board.
>>26861916
Just telling it like it is dude.
>>26861863
>This is complete bullshit. Talent + knowing one person who can get you to use it productively = success in life. And when you're talented, the work isn't hard.
You can find plenty of successful people who said that it was hard and they had times when they wanted to quit but you dismiss them simply by saying "They can say whatever they want but it was still easy for them!"
>>26861942
Just because you're hopeless doesn't mean most of the population is.
>>26861968
And also there were plenty of people who got good even if after other people who already made it told them they were not good enough. So how can you easily say if you are the talented one or not if it's sometimes hard even for people who are very good?
>>26861968
>>You can find plenty of successful people who said that it was hard
And as I mentioned, you can find plenty of rich heirs who said that it was hard too. Doesn't prove shit, people at the top always whine about it and embellish their own role in it. Objective reality is still objective reality.
>>26862005
Ok, feel free to do an experiment then, go to a rich area of your city/country, ask 10 random people to draw a portrait of you. Then go to a poor area of your city/country, and do the same.
>>26862028
>>And also there were plenty of people who got good even if after other people who already made it told them they were not good enough.
Define plenty, what percentage are we talking about here in relation to the general population?
>>26860057
looks like a curl bro. don't show this to /fit/.
I want to start to draw too,but how to start from 0?
From 0 I meant not even being able to make decent figure sticks
>>26861117
That shoulder to hip ratio is way off. Unless the figure is going to be muscular, she really should have wider hips.
>>26862066
Enough to coin the term ahead of one's time?
History is full of people who died without recognition.
>>26862051
And who are you to know the objective reality?
I doubt that all of them are lying.
>>26862146
That's why I said it's a bad example, I just wanted to show how shapes can be used as guidelines to help construct the body and get an idea of how it to draw it.
>>26860057
Jeez louise papa cheese
>>26862665
Are... Are you laughing at me?
>>26859479
The feeling never leaves, it's as much about getting good as accepting your flaws, OP.
What 99% of people will do in a weak attempt to get good:
>spend 6 hours frustrated trying to draw things that are out of their reach one day
>resolve that they "really are going to work hard"
>spend another 6 hours the next day doing more frustrated, aimless shit
>burn themselves out and never lift a pencil again
How to actually get good:
>read the /ic/ wiki
>pick a fundamentals book / program
>follow it and finish it, going at a steady pace
>draw from life
>pick another book / program and work through it
>sign up for some life drawing classes
>study more
>draw more
>continually tell yourself that Rome wasn't built in a day
Also if you want to get REALLY good then you should, at some point, go to art school. Years of concentrated, directed, saturated study in that environment when you already have solid foundations produces insane results.
Can someone draw a stick figure guy with a gun forcing another guy to pull his pants down so he can suck him off at gun point?
