Communist government is good on paper... But does [r9k] there is any way it could work out without shit going down. (Don't say China)
>>26748178
In a homogeneous white country where religion and tradition were still maintained.
no government my man
>>26748178
AI control and heavy automation--but then we're fucked if it breaks down.
Read The Machine Stops by E M Forster.
Shit goes down in all countries, what level of shit is acceptable?
In general I support >>26748235 a to be the most likely way to sustain a socialist state
>>26748178
In the future, after humans have gone through more evolution etc. and everyone becomes less about the things that we brought from our caveman past and more about being comfy with each other.
>>26748513
Don't support it, the most socialist countries in Europe are the exact opposite of religious and traditional. Don't be an uneducated fag, learn more.
>>26748577
stupider people are actually breeding at higher rates than ever before
>>26748655
We may be heading into a war though. This is my hope. All in all, I'm certain that the overpopulation will reverse in a drastic way (maybe not soon, but it will be soon enough).
>>26748628
>the most socialist countries in Europe are the exact opposite of religious and traditional
and immigration from backwards races will destroy them in a few decades
>>26748178
It did work many times, but keep in mind that communists despise NEETs in particular.
Expect to be shamed by everyone and given nothing if you choose to be a NEET.
But they'd also provide a job for you at once, along with covering your basic needs.
I lived in a communist enclave for a couple years. It worked pretty well but there were only a few hundred people.
>>26748732
>there were only a few hundred people.
this is key
it's easier on a small scale where people can leave if they choose to
>>26748682
How can less than 1% of a country's population destroy anything anon? I am from one of these socialist countries, no one is ecstatic about having them here, but they are at war, and this is the way it goes. Nevertheless anon, they are expect to fit in our mold, as every immigrant always has been and will continue to be. I have yet to see socialist values being shaken by any fascist cuck, let alone refugees who came here for a better life.
>>26748732
Yep, the smaller the number of people and I guess, obviously, if the people involved desire to live in a communist "regime" then, lol, obviously it would work.
only women/morons think communism is a good thing.
fuck off you fucking commie
>>26748748
>less than 1%
look at their birthrates compared to whites
>>26748814
>i can be a billionaire too, just like mr. trump!
run along and legally murder afghans to protect oil companies
>>26748814
>not wanting to work only the minumum amount necessary
>not wanting to be able to take whatever you want
time to go to work, your boss needs a new yacht
>>26748655
That could easily be stopped with changes to welfare system, and those are coming whether we want them to or not, since the people who SHOULD be having children are not and there will not be enough reliable people in the future to keep the system up.
>>26748815
Whelp, if you still don't get the general idea anon, the general idea is that the kids will grow up surrounded by other euro kids, watch euro TV, have a euro life. Find something else to fight for anon, aside from them being maybe less beautiful than other races, the reality is that mathematics was an arabic/muslim-born thing, so, it's not like they're in any way genetically inferior. Racism is a big genetic disadvantage though anon.
>>26748854
>the people who should be having children are not
Yeah, because marriage as an institution has collapsed.
And changing the welfare system won't actually stop idiots from having lots of kids
I'm not just talking about the US, all around the world fertility rates have gone up because of improved healthcare and nutrition from white countries.
>>26748178
The problem with implementing communism is that it never seems to have total buy-in from the majority of the population, so any government has to become totalitarian in order to force compliance and prevent the system from failing. There's literally no other way to have millions of people taking part in this kind of system properly unless you force them basically at gunpoint.
And of course humans are naturally corrupt and selfish, so those in positions of authority always abuse their power to hoard wealth and live better than their countrymen, fuelling resentment and distrust of government, requiring even more brutal tactics to keep the cynical population in check. And of course, moving on to the next stages of communism requires relinquishing power which only the most idealistic of people would willingly do. These stages would probably require at least a couple of generations of government officials to achieve, by which time there's an entrenched ruling class and bureaucracy unwilling to give up their privileges. As a result, the communism process stagnates and the government remains despotic, ruling over its people as though they were subjects to a feudal lord instead of citizens of a nation.
Communism is just too idealistic for its own good, it can never survive the reality of human shittiness and desire for power.
>>26748854
I don't even know why there isn't a ban on having more than one child on all countries anyway. When the world got to 6 billion you'd think people would have tried to make it stop, we're at 7 billion now... And I'm wondering when the fuck are we going to put those laws up.
Yes it can work out, but only if the leader is an Artificial Intelligence that keeps the people's well being in it's best interest.
>>26748898
>mathematics was an arab/muslim-born thing, so, it's not like they're in any way genetically inferior
Obviously there were (and are) plenty of smart Arabs, but they are genetically dumber on average.
The sheer quantity of rape in the Middle East meant that the dumbest and most violent people passed on their genes the most.
Arab/black immigrants just aren't European, and even they know it.
>>26748838
>>26748853
you guys are just lazy fucks, i am too, but i dont live in delusion that success shouldnt be rewarded.
where will the motivation go?
who would develop your waifu virtual reality?
do you even know how economy works? working minimum in communist society will change nothing, life dont work like robin hood
>>26748937
Overpopulation is useful to governments and religions.
There needs to be a steady supply of idiots to fight wars, buy junk, join gangs, etc.
Its not good on paper and its not good in reality.
>>26749040
Your IQ is subpar, please don't poison the air, stop talking.
>>26748975
I agree & disagree anon (about them being dumber on average). I do think they act in a dumber way on average, but that's realistically only happening because of their culture and politics etc. Sharia law of whatever the fuck it's called, etc. I do believe their people has as much potential as our average european.
>>26748838
Afghanistan doesn't even have oil, you typical pseudo-intellectual leftist
>>26748853
Human nature would make it so communist societies work just the same way. Except you get even less for your work and someone gets even more out of being connected.
Even if capitalism is unfair, everyone has a chance. Some have chances so big that it's extremely unlikely they'll fail, and others get chances so small they'll have to make up for it with a lot of effort and it might just end up not being enough. On communism, you don't have a chance, things are what they are and that's the end of it.
>of course communism works, all you need is a hypothetical laser robot with an IQ of over 9000, whch will disribute hypothetical resources perfectly according to man's arbitrary wants and needs, bolsetered by a hypothetical perfect society where no-one abuses the hypothical AI for their own gain
Yeah, I'll choose what works in all "hypothetical" situations (capitalism) rather than a college student's fedora fantasy.
>>26749040
>>26749208
I wonder who's behind these posts
>>26749226
>what works
works in what way?
>>26749188
No, but it lies near countries that do.
The countries with the most oil are actually friendly with the US.
>>26748447
>>26748472
these two, the main problems are how do you even know who needs what resources and having to force people to go along with it who'd rather you fucked off, but if it only involves people using that economic system of their own free will and actually having the technology to know where to apply the communities resources then you're good to go
unfortunately you'd probably be bad goy #1 and have every government in the world trying to sabotage you so maybe this'd have to be a sort of post-apocalypse situation
>>26749345
Allowing people to pursue their interests while still maintaining a non-violent society, as well as allocating resources efficiently.
>>26749437
my god please be a troll
>>26749375
The Saudis are only friendly as long as the US is their bitch and starts dumb war for them. Russia and iran are not friends to the US.
>>26749453
>ugh, like, capitalism is so unfair! why can't the government just *force* everyone else to work so I don't have to! its, like, totally unfair that le 1% have more money than poor people, they like, literally stole that money from that single mothers mouth, its not they created it in the first place!
Yeah, sure commie. Go to South Africa and see how well Communism served them in the last 30 years.
>>26749460
Yeah, I was referring mainly to the Persian Gulf countries. Obviously not every oil-filled country is friendly with the US.
>>26748178
It isn't though.
It's like applying for a patent of a troll physics tier plane that pushes and pulls itself into the air by the power of water droplets and travels at Mach 20. It sounds great and revolutionary on paper ... if it worked.
>>26749506
>go to south africa and see how well communism served them in the last 30 years
Obviously niggers will fuck up every single system.
>>26748178
Human nature prevents it from being possible. In the future I could see it working for real if we got robots to replace humans in the work force entirely. Without the robots though you are always going to end up with an elite(the government) and everybody else with no middle class.
>>26749506
>implying socialism and communism are the same thing
>implying state socialism can even be seen as socialism
Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, ownership implies agency and not state ownership. I don't support any state because the state is inefficient and immoral. You probably support Pinochet though like the Austrian school goobers did. They also literally rejected the scientific method. Unless you're a billoionaire you're a huge cuck.
>>26749544
Virtually any system entirely filled with god fearing modern white people will be great.
>>26748178
Cuba's widely regarded as the only 'true' communist country, both currently and historically. Tbh, I think the only reason they seem to be stuck in a timewarp circa 1956 is the fact that US sanctions have been buttfucking them for the last 6 decades or so.
Now that relations between them seem to be thawing, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
>>26749544
Have you ever noticed that Communism only seems to work in hypothetical perfect situations? Meanwhile, Capitalism is rapidly developing formerly impovished countries like Botswana and Somalia while Marxist Zimbabwe and Uganda continue to exist as visions of hell on Earth.
>>26749580
>implying socialism and communism are the same thing
Based of the same horseshit. They weren't derived from examining the ecomonies and practices of the mediterrainian at its peak of wealth, they weren't derived from Kings asking merchants how they can best help them and merchants saying "leave me the fuck alone!", Capitalism's revolution didn't result in the mass enslavement of and forced starvation of millions of people.
Meanwhile, Marxism, the root of both Socialism and Communism, is based off nothing more than envy and laziness. And every "revolution" has left the respective communist/socialist countries off worse than they were before.
I don't support pinochet, or the state. The state are the ultimate socialists.
>Unless you're a billoionaire you're a huge cuck.
This is the mentality of the Commiecuck. He thinks like a women. When men see other men with more than them, either in economics, talent, mind or body, they think "good for him! how can i be successful like him!". Meanwhile women and commiecucks see someone worthy of admiration and say "oy vey! this fucker/attractive women is literally raping by being better than me! how can i drag them down to my level!"
Saying that I'm a cuck because I support capitalism despite not being a millionaire is like saying the fighters at troy were cucks for not being as strong as ajax or odysseus.
And this assumes that your life *has* to revolve around in capitalism. It doesn't, because if you're actually minimalist and play it smart, you can work a very minimal amount and still pursue your interests. The only issue is that capitalism requires YOU to go out there and make it your own way.
>>26749809
>somalia
>not a vision of hell on earth
>>26748940
Hey OP here, while a AI leader sounds cool, I think it could be a buses easily.
>>26749828
>a formerly socialist nation who collectively decided socialism was so shit they'd rather be anarchist and overthrew their government
>expecting everything to be hunkey-dorey
In any case, compare somalia to its neighbours and its a "good" country. It also has a fast growing economy.
>>26749809
wanting to be the same as someone worthy of admoration is not the same as being violently subordinated by that person, which happens under capitalism
capitalism grew out of feudalism too so that line only makes sense if you're historically illiterate
the state are not the ultimate socialists, they aren't even socialists you just ignored what I said and didn't even address it because you don't believe in free discussion
Of course it could work yeah
You'd just need the population of the world to be 10
>>26749919
You aren't violently subordinated by anyone due to capitalism. Capitalism did not grow out of fuedalism you stupid cuck it grew out of Mercantilism and observation of economic trends. And even if it did, that's not an argument. Marxism "grew out" of capitalism as a reaction to it, so that must be just as bad as capitalism then, huh?
>the state are not the ultimate socialists, they aren't even socialists you just ignored what I said
Yes they are. You cannot have socialism without the violent subjugation and appropriation of people's purchasing power without a state. I don't care about the Austrian School, just because one group of thinkers is wrong doesn't mean they all are. Do you believe in Maoism just because you're a Communist?
>you don't believe in free discussion
Do you see me threatening to have you arrested for what you are saying? Say what you want, just let me also say what I (or what I don't) want to say.
>>26749919
Capitalism and feudalism couldn't be more different. It was capitalism that provided liberation to workers after the black death allowed peasants to haggle for better wages and move to different lords. It was considered so destructive that feudal authorities tried to shut it down and maintain the status quo, resulting in peasant rebellions.
