So... Abortion.
>>26606660
I want to rub my frenulum over those eyebrows
>>26606660
Can't wait for Trump to make it illegal again.
>>26606660
Not as simple as "muh body". It's not a fucking tattoo.
>>26607095
Tattoos aren't leeches.
I'm all for abortions. People will do what the fuck they want anyway. If we made it illegal, they'd just go to Mexico for it or break the law and do it themselves with a coat hanger.
I wish my parents would have aborted me.
>but its muh body
No, a fetus is NOT your body you dumb whore
It's a living being just like you or me.
Killing a baby before it leaves the womb is no different than killing a baby right after it leaves the womb.
Abortion is unethical and immoral
>>26607296
Does that make medicine immoral, since it's killing organisms in your body?
>>26606660
It doesn't feel pain, it isn't conscious, and if we keep it alive then it will learn all about both, and it's a future waste of nutrients of someone who doesn't want to be a mother.
How is this an argument?
>>26607321
Does that make feeding babies bleach okay, since it's killing organisms outside your body?
>>26607355
Two people made the baby.
>>26607296
It's not even a baby, it's a clump of cells that hasn't even gotten anywhere. You people have no problem with killing literally everything else on the planet, but then get all riled up about "muh babies".
>>26607373
A fetus isn't a baby.
>>26607393
it's literally feeding off of her body to build the fetus into an infant. he just supplies the jizz.
>>26607223
>it doesn't make sense for a law to exist, because people may break it anyway
What kind of logic is that?
people who think abortions should be illegal are fucking retarded
its not even fucking sentient. its not a Little person its a tumour sucking nourishment and blood from its host until it hatches into a little asshole whos "brain" is still so incomplete it doesn't become sentient for another four months. maybe you say "all life is precious" but you sure love your bacon don't you.
>>26606660
I'm all for it if it's rape, or if the chid will be born with a disability. Otherwise, fucking own up to your life choices
>b-b-but the father leaving me is male abortion!
Maybe you shouldn't have fucked a man of such low character then.
>>26607477
So it should be legal for anyone to terminate the life of anyone in a coma, for example?
>>26607462
regular logic.
its called democracy
>>26607462
because alcohol prohibition worked out so well, right guys?
>>26607494
Are you fucking retarded? A functional human being that fell into a coma is not the same as a piece of meat wth no brain, organs or sentience
>>26607494
yes. obviously. not that you can compare a foetus to a human being
>>26607426
Not the point, you missed the point.
>>26607477
Here comes the faggot liberal.
>>26606660
why the fuck is that girl so cute?
cara is perfection
>>26607462
The logic that ended alcohol prohibition.
>>26607458
She should be compensated, but she shouldn't have the freedom to walk into a clinic and have it killed unceremoniously. The court should decide.
abortion should be legal but in turn alimony and child support should be completely forgotten
>>26607500
But all laws are broken. Does that mean we should have no laws at all?
>>26607534
said the red-neck retard who cant even fucking see reason
denial is whats up with you
>inb4 "no it's not!"
dumping cute Cara
>>26607484
>we're going to prevent you from doing this thing, and it's all your fault
just go back to saying because it makes jesus sad
>>26607564
The courts can go fuck themselves because anyone can abort at home using a hanger and a google search.
I do wonder what the consequences of making it legal would be to the economy
>>26607571
no that would be anarchy you stupid shit
>>26607605
>The courts can go fuck themselves because anyone can abort at home using a hanger and a google search.
And they would obviously earn themselves a sentence. Do you not know how the justice system works?
>>26607549
>girl
My sides!
>>26607587
But it is. Life has consequences. Aborting a baby just because you feel like it should, and hopefully will forever remain illegal.
Again, if the mother is at risk, if the baby is a product of rape or if he'll be born with disabillities, all of those are good excuses for abortion.
But "I rode the cock carousel too much and now I want an abortion" is not.
>>26607605
but that's dangerous as shit, its like 50/50 both mother and child dies even if you have somebody experienced with the coat-hanger
>>26607613
How would it be any different? Laws are broken anyway, so there's no point. That's what you're saying, right?
>>26607613
Because anarchy is a bad thing?
>>26607637
Anon, there is no abortion police. If you're pregnant and you do a home abortion, no one will know unless you go and brag about it.
>>26607652
>"I rode the cock carousel too much and now I want an abortion"
is absolutely a valid reason. its not fucking murder.
>>26607648
She is kinda boyish really, but that doesn't make her less of a beauty in any way
Snorting coke, however
>>26606660
Im not sure what to do.
Equal rights falls somewhere around I think what the law constitutes as a partnership.
I think if you arent married or whatever that the woman should have priority.
If you are married, a woman cannot abort without the husbands consent.
A man should not have to pay anything other than child support.
It is not a MAN's JOB to be responsible for a woman.
The only responsibility either partner should have is that child.
Alimony is an incredibly sexist discrimination against men.
If a woman wants to "abort" and the husband wants the child, the child should be born and all rights immediately given to the husband and if anything, this is the one situation alimony should apply.
That woman is leaving that man to give up his former life to raise this child all by himself. He has a right to his former life that his wife fucked up by leaving him with the kid.
Its a woman's choice to have sex on her ovulating days.
Its a woman's choice to not use birth control.
Its a woman's choice to have sex with a man.
Its a woman's choice to choose religion that puts her at risk.
Women need to take responsibility instead of crying DISCRIMINATION when all of the laws are in favor of them and fucking over the husband.
Depriving a man of his child is murder.
Sure its whats best if the fetus is somehow damaged.
Any woman who knowingly damages the fetus and causes this condition say by drinking etc, should be held accountable for child endangerment, attempted murder, and in the case where abortion is necessary, should be tried for murder.
Anyone who would purposely harm a child is sick and should be put to death.
>>26607668
Obviously if the father is involved and wants to keep it it's not going to be a fucking secret. Or do you think girls are going to be heading for the closet as soon as the test comes out positive?
>>26607564
so instead of taking out the unfeeling, unconscious ball of cells out in a minor operation, you want to raise the child whose mother doesn't want her through government aid? how is this fair to the child? someone who isn't ready for kids is probably going to be that way for financial reasons, that means kids eating poor nutrition food, going to low quality schools, having parents who don't know how to raise them, that's a recipe for a potentially highly dysfunctional human being.
why do you want this?
>>26607681
For it not to be murder the fetus would have to not be human.
>>26607404
> It's a clump of cells that haven't gotten anywhere
Seen as how you're shitposting on /r9k/, I take it you think that of yourself too? Objectively you are no different.
>>26607702
even child support is stupid
if the woman can't raise it, it should go to the father, that's it
>>26607702
>Depriving a man of his child is murder.
women who have more children are more prone to osteoporosis and other bone marrow issues. it's literally the definition of a parasitic relationship.
>>26607681
It's dodging personal responsability, and I'm fucking glad sluts like you will never be able to get an abortion because you felt like having unprotected sex.
>>26607662
are you slow? I'm not saying remove all law because people sometimes break them. im just saying having this law in place is more dangerous than not
see>>26607652
it shouldn't even be a law against in the first place. most people don't even want that law a religious minority is just enforcing their judgement on people who don't want it
>>26607710
Try actually reading next time. It would be given to the father, who wants to keep it. The mother only suffers the effects on her body (which she could have avoided if she had better foresight, by the way).
>>26607718
determinism is for sociopathic assholes. consciousness is based in the brain. fetuses brains aren't conscious.
>>26607763
but I'm not glad about women taking advantage and riding it on purpose to get set for life with childbux
>>26607699
I'd snort coke off her ass. you're telling me you wouldn't coke-party with her?
>>26607805
As a stoner, I am completely against the whitewho am I fooling tho? I would go full tony montana with her, fucking cutie
>>26607714
I have some good news for you then, stupid.
Foetuses ARE NOT HUMANS
>>26607777
>im just saying having this law in place is more dangerous than not
How? The post you quoted says it should be illegal, by the way.
Nice fucking quads.
>>26607805
>>26607823
she looks a lot like my oneitis btw, only difference is my oneitis is brunette
>>26607740
Lol look at this shit, all of western civilization will die out, all because we lost the ability to see our spirits as well as our cells. It's just cold autistic science now. Fuck this is dumb. IDGAF about abortion, fuck I know I should have had it on done on me.
But to see that growing child as just a clump of cells? Fuck you, and your inhumane beliefs.
>>26607777
shit i didnt mean
>>26607652
i meant
>>26607655
>>26607823
as a fellow stoner I am anxious to try more drugs
seems like a good time, one time
>>26607867
You're saying it's dangerous because idiots with no regard for their safety might hurt themselves?
>>26607784
>"determinism is for sociopathic assholes"
>attempts justify determinism in the next sentence
Mate, aren't sociopaths incapable of acknowledging they're sociopaths? Wew.
I would be totally fine with making abortions at all stages in pregnancy legal, with the caveat that the procedure would also result in the death of the mother for fairness' sake.
>>26607849
>>26607867
this, look at it. The other options are dangerous as shit
>>26607922
>>26607784
He's right. If there's no soul, it can only be determinism (+ randomness).
>>26607904
idiots who doesn't wanna spend the nex 18+ years being a parent
>>26607902
I want to try it once too, but idk the stigma about it doesn't appeal me, If I like it I will become another example of how weed is a gateway drug
>>26608016
you also wont care what other people think because
>COKE IS FUCKING AMAZING. WOOOOOOO
>>26608054
I'm on an IT course, probably going to try it when I need to stay awake
>>26608004
Why would I have sympathy for someone not only reckless enough to fall pregnant when they don't to, but also enough to stick a clothes hanger INSIDE their own body? And more importantly, why should society let them use this emotional blackmail to get whatever they want?
>>26607863
spirit is in your bones. it's in your experiences. it's your belief system, the things you learn about your environment, the people you interact with, the decisions you make as a person. mythology. it's real. it might be separate from the soul, which is what you sell to the devil when you want to learn the blues, but my point is that it comes as a product of being a part of the world, from having your brain process sensations and emotion and memory into patterns.
it is a brilliant, wildly complicated thing. i believe in the spirit and the soul. if there is a spirit of the fetus, it is primordial, simple, a blank slate, it has not developed the neurochemical circuits to feel pain.
>all western civilization will die out
is that what you're afraid of?
>>26607863
>Lol
OUTLANDER
>>26607831
Does that make the mother of the non human fetus a non human? I mean, how can member of the human species give birth to something that, according to you, is not a member of the human species?
Are.. Say.. Rat fetuses not rat fetuses? When a nothing-mammal-fetus is born, is it a rat the minute it comes out, while not being a rat one minute prior to birth? But how is that possible? Please explain.
>>26608078
>Why would I have sympathy for someone
yeah why SHOULD you give a fuck about what somebody else do to themselves requiring absolutely no involvement on your part which then goes on to not affect you at all.
also
>emotional blackmail
are you this salty because you where a failed abortion or something? you retard, if anything claiming foetuses are people is emotional blackmail
>>26608170
foetuses are not people because they're not sentient. they have no agency, no real feelings or thoughts. they do not dream. no experiences or memories.
>European
>abortion universally accepted here
>everybody is happy
I can't take pro-lifers seriously at all
>>26608208
I have sympathy for children who don't get to make their own choices yet. Not for people who don't even think about their safety.
>if anything claiming foetuses are people is emotional blackmail
Do you legitimately not know what blackmail is? Not really in a position to be calling me a retard here.
>>26608268
So then at what point do they gain sentience?
>>26608170
>is it a rat the minute it comes out, while not being a rat one minute prior to birth
your mistake is treating this like a binary system
>>26608296
when they're capable of understanding self, witch is like 4 months AFTER birth
>>26608268
>>26608296
Definitely not at or before birth, at least.
>>26608268
Woah you're avoiding the question there buddy.
Rat fetuses are no different, they don't think much during development. We still call them rat fetuses, though. Why is that?
We are speaking physically, here. Mental state is completely irrelevant because it it not an excuse used for ANY other species.
Mental state does not determine species, otherwise I could be classified a gorilla tomorrow, and a penguin yesterday.
>>26608340
So killing a baby if you change your mind after 2 months has no moral implications?
>>26608293
Emotional blackmail and FOG, terms coined by psychotherapist Susan Forward, are about controlling people in relationships and the theory that fear, obligation and guilt ("FOG") are the transactional dynamics at play between the controller and the person being controlled.
educate yourself foo
>>26608402
There is none of that in trying to establish law that you think is morally correct.
>>26608376
>Woah you're avoiding the question there buddy.
just because its a human baby doesn't mean its A human, just means it came from a human. how is this complicated for you?
>>26608389
nope. not really. leave it in the woods I say.
>>26608517
You should campaign for that alongside abortion.
>>26608320
>your mistake is treating this like a binary system
>binary system
YOU ARE EITHER A HUMAN OR NOT. YOU ARE EITHER A WHALE OR NOT. A FISH EGG IS A FISH EGG, NOT A FUCKING SPECIES-FLUID-SPHERE UNTIL WE DECIDE IT'S A FISH EGG
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
GET OUT TUMBLR GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
>>26608466
theres a lot of that in telling pregnant women not to have a abortion by putting a law in place. its literally guilt and fear
>>26608551
one step at a time. soon abortion will be commonplace and maybe then...
>>26608556
you do have a lot off autism, don't you?
asdfdf
>>26608567
Their own feelings have no bearing on the intent, which is not to instill either of those things, but to uphold a certain moral code.
>>26608593
You a commie, or a Jew?
>>26608556
>YOU ARE EITHER A HUMAN OR NOT
Is a sperm a human? Is a sperm thats literally just penetrated an egg a human? Why?
>>26608642
uphold that "moral code" by lawmaking and it is
If abortion is illegal spraying jizz into a tissue should be illegal as well.
>>26608682
Yes, that is generally how it's upheld.
>>26608673
There's a pretty clinical difference between two gametes and a zygote.
>>26608698
well then it is,you retard. its not like you can just shove the baby back in and continue the pregnancy. it relies on fear to prevent abortions and calls people "guilty"
>>26608794
What you're saying can apply to literally any law.
>>26608741
>actually believing a newly fertilized egg is the same thing as a fully grown person
kek
>>26608794
only suicide and assisted suicide which shouldn't be illegal anyway
>>26606660
It shows a lack of responsibility and an utter disregard for life, but I'm not for making it illegal. However, I am for not making them easy to get, unless of course you're a minority.
>>26608959
I think what you meant to say was "only laws I disagree with". Any law.
>>26607582
Not her best picture tbqh family
>>26608999
nope just laws that benefits/ hurts no one
>>26609015
I know, her teeth ain't nothing to be jealous about
>>26607274
this. I plan on aborting myself in the near future.
>>26606660
You managed to trigger a bunch of autist in two words only.
Take note fags this is how you shitpost.
>>26607784
Free will cannot logically exist. When we can do neurosurgery or cybernetically enhance the brain and fix people like the ones that frequent this board, you'll all see.
>>26607863
Are you mentally ill? A spirit enters nothing into a discussion on fetuses. At this point it's not even thinking, much less feeling emotion or any other things your superstitions ascribe to a soul. It is at best fertile soil where the seed of a soul could grow. You wouldn't fault the farmer for pulling the plant out by its roots if he knew it wouldn't take, would you?
