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How are you holding up?
28 here, sill live with my parents, no job, no gf
29 neet
i've been in bed sick for the past week because fucking normies and their degenerate diseases
>>26576396
29 a few months ago
No job, have gf, don't live with parents
If I had a job and car my life would be complete
>>26576396
27. Never had a job or sex.
34 wagie wizard
have never touched a girl
29, work two days a week for 20 hours total as a security guard.
No gf, no prospects
Spend all my money on videogames and kebabs
See the distress in my parents eyes as they see how shit I am at life.
Could be worse, could be locked into having a kid or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0aR1mTnw7w
Eighteen year old NEET... Fuck dooooooood I'm so autistic and i have hella anxiety and stuff, havent gotten pussy since LAST fucking year
29
Lost job, apt., etc. because of my rampant alcohol drug abuse
Living at my uncles' house now
I still have the gf i left when i had to move and we're hoping to work on a farm this spring, she is really loving and supportive but sometimes i try to btfo the relationship because i'm insecure.
27 just got a halfway decent job. Will never have a gf or loved one, no vidya because living in a cheap shared flat for now. Terrified of going to the dentist but I have to, in near future.
>29
>living at home
>no car
>parents drive me everywhere
>usually to/from work and liquor store
>lossless virgin who's gone on maybe four dates, all of which haven't gone past the awkward first date
>spend my free time gaming and drinking
Kill me plz
>tfw gonna be 25 in less than 2 months
this is fucking unreal
>>26576471
Baittttttt this is bait
>>26576486
well if it makes you feel any better, if you weren't normal by the time you turned 22 you were already doomed but just didn't know it
>>26576471
Piss off, normeme.
26 neet. live with parents. virgin. no gf
haven't fapped in 3 days. might go for longer. been feeling lonely lately. just want to love and be loved, but contempt for women increasing.
>>26576466
>people still want to be The Stone Roses in 2012
wew lad, it was all of two hits that done it
I'm 29, jobless, gfless, dependent, but turned in my w-card 5 years ago
But fuck it mon, I'm a legit aspie with not enough bodily strength to open a can of mayo and the smarts of a RL Forrest Gump, so I don't stress it nowadays.
Wake up on my day off and I got a really bad head cold, just my fucking luck.
25 virgin here. I'm gonna try and get laid this year, like I'm gonna try harder than any other year, if I fail prostitute. I've said the same last year, but this time I mean it. I will get laid this year. I already managed to get 2 matches on a dating site after a few days, so judging by that I think I have a shot.
>>26576486
time will speed up even faster you will be 30 in no time
27, work shitty part time supermarket job and waiting to go back to uni.
Looking to finally move out within the next two months with a friend, hoping the change
will make me a little less miserable.
26 KV here. Same story as most of u guys.
I have a 19 year old KV cousin who seems to be following in my foot steps. Is it cruel that I hope he does? He use to make fun of me for being a KV when he was 12-13 which is funny because his never had a GF at all and has needed up a scrawny beta Manlet playing video games 24/7 never leaning his house.
It makes me feel good to see him failing.
>>26576486
I can't believe I am 29, It feels like I turned 25 last year
>>26576577
>Is it cruel that I hope he does?
Well, yeah-
>He use to make fun of me for being a KV
No fuck that faggot
>>26576466
>Could be worse, could be locked into having a kid or something.
you wont be saying that when you are 60
>>26576396
19 and crashing this thread with no survivors
>>26576500
I don't care about being normal, I just want to have some idea about what to do with my life.
This birthday is gonna be fucking terrible. I just know my mom would look at me with pity, knowing that I'm an adult yet a complete child, a complete failure.
>>26576571
Just start doing night courses
Don't start uni at 27, you will feel isolated
>>26576468
How did you do not to even get a job ? Are you in a country where studying is expensive ? Why don't you get an easy manual job, like ina supermarket or anything ?
>>26576484
Why don't you buy a car or a cheap scooter so you're able to move by yourself ?
Serious questions guys,
26 KV but I have a well paying (shitty and ultra boring) job, gonna change for something that pays even better (but same shitty boring stuff), got a car and renting my own place, financially independent since years.
I really don't understand the rules of the game of life, but making enough money to live is quite easy. Behave normally with other human beans ins't, though.
>>26576618
>still having a birthday
>27
>still with parents
>no job yet
>no qt gf
Life is suffering
>>26576618
>I just want to have some idea about what to do with my life.
you work until you die, that's it
all those grand notions of having a purpose to life and following MUH PASSIONS is for rich people who don't have to worry about money
31 here
I am honestly having the best time of my life the past 3 years. I lost a bunch of weight, got a great job that I like, made some friends and bought a house, started lifting and am in the best shape I have ever been in and I look better than I ever did when I was an awkward teenager. I even got a GF last year, last weekend we had a party at my house and I got so wasted that I didn't get out of bed the next day until 2pm when I usually wake up at 8 am.
I guess I'm a normie now, but three years ago I was a super fat robot neet and now that I think about it I was also a terrible person, it's amazing how much has changed in such a short period of time for me, it's like I won the lottery of life man.
25 turning 26 this year
living with parents
have a job that I want to quit because high stress, no free time, come home exhausted and I literally don't need the money, my parents just don't want me to be a neet
>>26576623
I started last year, surprisingly there's quite a lot of older people there.
But i know what you mean, I've made no real friends and usually go entire days without talking to other classmates, it was pretty depressing to begin with.
Guys...don't feel like total failures as people to be living at home at 29...sure there are people who have had a lot of success..the bourgeoisie, as it were..but there have always been proletarians/lumpen like us...and there always will be (most likely) so, in my opinion, keep your pride, hell take pride in base and cheap things or become spiritually aware and give in to wanderlust (that's what i do..have been hopping freights for years and hitch-hiking...going to s. america next fall)...do not be on the fence is what i'm saying. I'm 29, have never had a decent job in my life, thoroughly a loser in the eyes of some people...i'm actually living w/ my uncle now..but i don't let it make me feel like i'm less of a man or a person..stay positive brothers and sisters love and light.
>>26576668
Congrats man I'm happy for you. Not many make it out.
>>26576605
Doubt I'll live that long, not like I lead a healthy lifestyle.
Depression will get the better of me in the end.
Probably when one of my folks dies I'm guessing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luM6oeCM7Yw
>>26576646
I hate birthdays, but my mom is a sentimental bitch and always remembers my birthday and makes a big deal out of it.
>>26576653
But I don't want to work until I die
>>26576677
Same age, same problem. Hell this week I forgot to pick up my paycheck. I don't get paid enough to buy a cool car or a house so the money really isn't worth much to me. I only got a job because my parents made me, they make really good money and I live at home. I pretty much waste my money on buying expensive clothes and shoes hoping girls will like me.
>>26576693
Fuck you, hippie.
I made another thread but nobody responded so I'll post here
Getting old is just fucking horrible
From 25 onwards every subsequent year is more and more shit, you are FORCED to become a wagecuck normalfag if you want to have any money and be able to support yourself, and watch while the younger millenials are out having fun and being happy like you used to be able to. Everyone you used to know is now getting married and has some high paying job that you are too depressed to be able to acquire. Your family tries to comfort you with memes like "take your time" and "you'll get there eventually" but deep down you know how far behind you are. No wonder suicide rates are so high in this age bracket
>>26576704
your scenario totally isn't worse than having kids
>you are FORCED to become a wagecuck normalfag if you want to have any money and be able to support yourself
Yes. You can't escape wageslavery at this point.
>>26576732
>watch while the younger millenials are out having fun and being happy like you used to be able to
jokes on you, i don't remember what being happy was like
all i see is a bunch of morons who will be fucked by life by the time they turn 20.
it's just a matter of time before they all get a nice taste of how shit life is, the only ones who stay happy for life are delusional or rich.
>>26576741
Single parent pls go
>>26576717
Fuck man looks like we're kindred spirits.
I waste mine on hookers because I stopped caring about >nogf after r9k redpilled me and that's literally all my expenses. Still have a good 10k in the bank just sitting there.
>>26576637
No licence. I do have a car permit, though.
Really should get on getting my licence. Would get a decent bike, but I live in Newfoundland. My "city" is built on a hill, and there's snow on the ground more often than not
>>26576785
Put it in the stock market and make an easy 25$ per month in dividends. It's a nice extra meal :)
28, $12/hr job, live with parents. Job apps always asking for three references. Have none. I need out this year or it's an hero time.
>25
>Married to qt3.14 longtime gf turned wifey
>Making $165,000/year. I don't know how I pulled this off but I did. The job can suck sometimes but overall the stress and challenges make me grow and it's good for me.
>small group of friends who I really like.
>Live in comfy apartment in major US city.
>Have qt3.14 cat too.
Still not happy though
28 -- about to be 29 -- unemployed, living at home. At least I do construction work, now and then.
I just want to live alone and away.
19 fat NEET fuck up here
Give me your wisdom to avoid the future
29 here. Started undergrad college last fall, had to move to a new city. Have made literally zero friends and everyone is 21 years old, so I'm alone most of the day. At least work keeps me busy, but very lonely. Just want to finish and get a job, which knowing my luck, probably won't happen either.
>>26576785
Are the hookers actually hot and something you want to fuck? I always picture them as like meth head 95lb toothless street walkers.
Do u know how to find attractive ones?
>>26576396
Terrible.
Every time I figured out how to pay this and that, something else comes up. There's never enough money, how do you people live like this?
26 neet on welfare
im trying to get into school for the autumn. law school so maybe i can get some wagecuck job and maybe touch a vagina.
but ill probably fail and have to hang myself.
Married. Blazin. Programming. Grinding. Live in Apt. Don't have anything nice, but no debts. And a dependable vehicle.
Fuck doing what you love. Do what your good at that makes money. Then do what you love 2 hours a day.
>>26576929
Escort only robot. Hookers are a 90's lost meme.
>>26576953
>programming
what kind of work do you do?
>29
>hkv
>dropout
>live with mummy
>stack shelves at supermarket
> ugly as fuck
> outside of work, just browse this sub and play vidya.
is 12/hr good? that's what im making in the midwest. my health premiums are 100% paid for so besides taxes i make all the dosh paid out
26 about to be 27
decent paying job with lax hours and little real work
live on my own
no gf but plenty of hookers
>>26576980
He freelances for $10 a program per a weeks worth of tacking lmao.
>>26576980
I'm not the guy you quoted, but I am a programmer too. I work on a real-time data transformation system that is used to compute product information to display on a major retail website.
>>26577019
forgot to mention i'm 26
lol unoriginal
>>26577019
It really depends on your living expenses.
who all about that /centrelink/ life?
>30
>former NEET
>about to get married
>$20/hr driving a bus
>she has a good family (I basically have no family)
Life's good m8eys.
>>26577043
what technology do you use?
full-stack developer. picked a language an stuck with it. teach myself the new stuff out of books (paper books). i do more programming when I'm between jobs -that's the time to hone any the new skills ya caught a whiff of-. When I'm on the job... "garbage in garbage out. no problem. yes boss. fuck u pay me."
>>26577055
online calculators put my rent at 20% of my income
>>26577004
>just browse this sub
>this sub
>sub
>>26577019
It's good if you are content with making just enough to get by and never want to own a nice home, go on nice vacations, have a family, or retire comfy.
>>26577019
12 an hour? No. Not by a long shot.
>>26577078
That's not too bad, then. Just make sure to put a good chunk away/in investments.
>>26577074
what do you think about full stack javascript (money related)?
How the fuck do you even meet people when you're not in school? Just hope you get a job with young people?
>>26576396
48
Married 24 years next month
5 kids
work from home, make decent money, set my own hours
Oldest son (19) just finished college, has a good job, wants to propose to his GF soon
Life is great
>You asked
>>26577069
The storage layer is a custom built C++ NoSQL database. The compute layer that I work on is all custom-built on top of the JVM. Different business teams can plug their data transformation models into the compute layer with a DSL that we maintain.
Everything runs on distributed linux fleets.
26, still in college.
Started college when I was 22. Took me that long because I thought my ugliness would stopping from having any sort of normal life. Nowadays I increasingly believe I was right back then before I started college.
27 almost 28
living with parents since last year
kind of work from home, don't make much money
never had a gf and pure KV
i actually want to go back to school but can't afford it
>>26577091
If you want to make a lot of money I'd specialize in java.
I make well over 100k as a java dev.
>>26577103
Do you and your son browse /r9k/ together?
these was me. blazin full-stacker
...um listen folks:
give up these dreams: home, kids, retirement.
just make sure not to get fucked.
12 p/h hell no. u could be selling old meat door 2 door man. hustle, learn, work, survive. (and don't forget to love).
most of you have fixable problems, as for a job learn networking, virtualization how does a bgp/mpsl vpn work, also read SICP
IT is literally the easiest
>>26577166
What if you suck at math?
i say just pick a language and stick with it. takes 5 years to really learn a new one inside & out.
27 neet here
Gunna end it at 30
Just...
>>26577146
No. He is a luddite.
I swing by here when work is slow but I have to monitor the phones.
Is Ruby on Rails still worth learning?
>>26576396
Barely holding it together
>>26576618
> just know my mom would look at me with pity
> giving a fuck what your parents think
you should actively work to spite them. they made you for their own benefit, to aid them in childcare, resources, give them undeserved love/respect they couldn't get elsewhere, act as a proxy robot for them to instill their most insane beliefs and diseases, to be a servile, shamed underling so they can constantly feel high-status.
the fact you feel shame simply for being who you are (which in large part is your parents genetics/environment/choices) tells you everything you need to know.
now go, drain them of resources and withhold your love - they deserve it.
seriously.. ask yourself what you did to deserve being put in this position..
27
Has job, $55k/year midwest shit tier STEM wages, but im posting on r9k from work right now, so it's not that bad.
Has had sex with handful of women and a few gfs, but nothing for long and nothing in over a year.
Moving to new town soon, to kind of shitty single bedroom apartment in complex. Leaving behind all my friends and worried I will become a shut in, with only my cat for companionship. But ready to not have roommates.
>>26577019
I'm >>26576881 and could probably move out on it if not for crippling student debt. $167k. I pay $525 on the first of every month. Add to that a monthly $187 car payment and $70 insurance bill. Keeps me stuck here.
>>26577367
oh wow, that's like the cost of rent. you're truly cucked. what the fuck did you do to rack up 167k debt?
20 year old NEET.
Yesterday, I was at my dad's house, and he has The River by Brue Springsteen playing. As the song ends, he asks if I understand the symbolism about the river drying up.
I think I do. I think it means the man has no hope at a better life left, but I wasn't quite listening and so I ask what. Strike one. He says, "Well, where was Jesus baptized". Jordan river flashes in my head, but I'm not confident about my answer, so I say I don't know.
He gives me bewildered look, and says, "What?" "I don't know"
"Jordan. He was baptized in the river Jordan" and then goes on to explain how baptism in the river represented redemption, and the river drying up means there's no chance at redemption for this man's life.
Which is more or less what I thought.
An hour later, as we're walking to get the mail, he tells me how I'll always have a place to live, at either his or my moms house, or even one of my siblings house (holy shit!)
I guess I thought I was getting out of here eventually, but after that little plebtard moment he assumes I'm stuck in somebody's basement forever.
I knew the answer to both those questions, I just lacked confidence. But I can't explain that to him. And regardless of how much trivia I know, I can't actually argue with that assumption, even if he arrived at it through (understandably) inaccurate means (and it was probably just the straw that broke the camels back for him, the rest of what informed that assumption is probably dead on).
31, kissless non-wizard, neet for life, I live in a damp smelly underground flat, haven't fucked since the Bush administration
Anyone wanna play some L4D? Normies always quit when they see it's on expert.
>>26577402
Got a philosophy degree at a private university. What a joke, right? God, I'd kill for a 30k salaried desk job.
>>26577454
Charge your phone, anon.
>>26577459
l4d? what year is it
>>26576396
>Lvl 34 wizard
>Live with parents on their farm
>Work on farm, been working ~5500 days in succession
>See no one, talk to no one other than parents, usually hide if someone comes to visit
>some r&r consisting of reading, shitposting on 4chan, animu, piano and garage projects
I'm at good health and I have something interesting to do while waiting to die, I don't ask for more.
>>26577459
bushSr?
>>26577454
>20 year old NEET
This is normie as fuck
come back when you are my age anon
30 years old and no prospects
26
kissless hugless virgin
living at home
finished work at 3am didnt really talk to anyone
asked my friend (inb4 normie) if i could quickly go over before work
he lied and said he was asleep and missed my text
i simply cannot see how now til 50 will be any better or worse than 0-25
>>26577459
VOTE REPUBLICAN MINA-SAN!
>>26577590
how did he even fill that shitpost with so many words? 20 ain't shit
>>26577459
>left 4 dead
>bush administration
what its like at the turn of the century anon?
>>26576466
>29, work two days a week for 20 hours total as a security guard.
Sounds comfy mate. I'm rootin' for ya.
>>26576618
Wow, parents still remind you of your birthdays? That sux bro. My mom has "forgotten" years ago. But then again, I've made it explicitly clear I hated celebrations of any sort.
>>26576668
Impressive. Very nice. I've recently gotten back into cycling and made a lot of progress, got all lean and shit. GF seems too far-fetched as I'm still a misogynist.
What job did you get, anon? I just can't imagine a job that I would like. =(
>>26576677
>>26576717
Having a stressful job that you hate, that truly is the worst suffering, guys. =(
>>26576732
;_;
>>26576883
What job?
>>26577590
>>26577631
*27
Fucking typo, don't worry
>25
>no job, never had a job
>still live with parents
>only things I enjoy doing are artsy stuff like painting, poetry, and drawing
>get into ERP
>developing a crush with an ERP partner
>I don't even speak with them out of character, strictly in character interactions
>despite this happiest I've been in ages
>still no OOC interaction
>So it doesn't even make sense in the least bit when I get a bit hurt when they a make a separate character to be a slut for other people
It's okay though. I've been sleeping only 4 hours a day lately and I'm pretty sure my heart's going to collapse sometime soon. I'd rather it be now while I still have some semblance of happiness to end my life on.
23
just quit my job cause i hated by boss
saved up over $25k
live at home so almost no expenses (cell phone & car insurance)
have the house to myself during the day
play games/fap all day
have had blowjobs but no PIV
never had a "real" gf (high school and previous doesn't count)
snowboard in mountains multiple times a month
lovin life right now
sorry anons
>>26577673
>Impressive. Very nice. I've recently gotten back into cycling and made a lot of progress, got all lean and shit. GF seems too far-fetched as I'm still a misogynist.
>What job did you get, anon? I just can't imagine a job that I would like. =(
Thanks, I got an IT job where I work by myself all day in a basement, I'm there right now haha. Most days I spend the time posting on 4chan or streaming Netflix, sometimes I play wow, it really is the perfect job.
>>26577489
I'm poor; PC is too shit for anything else.
>>26577581
Nah, I was like 10 when he was in power.
>>26577625
Voting is for cucks.
>>26577634
Are you from the future?
>>26576396
26, live with my gf, started a new job in November that's been going great. Really looking forward to the rest of 2016!
>>26577743
>not 25+
>had a job
>has money
>has hobbies
>had sex
why are you even on /r9k/ never mind ITT
>>26576948
I'm extremely frugal but becoming a wagekek and not/barely being able to pay the bills is literally my worst nightmare.
>>26576949
Law school is stressful as fuck, mate. So is the wagekekery afterwards. Good luck though.
>>26577028
>decent paying job with lax hours and little real work
What job?
>>26577113
That sucks mate. I'd give you a hug. =(
>>26577751
>Voting is for cucks.
B-but maybe you'll get laid if there's a republican in office again
>>26577777
Well, now it's pretty much a fact isn't it? Vote Trump
>>26577777
Nice digits, but no. I actually live half-way across the world from USA. I was just giving a temporal reference.
>>26577716
I am 100% identical to you rowboat except I've only thought about doing ERP. It's pretty stupid because I've done far more embarrassing and less dignified things online to get my rocks off.
27
live with parents
no job
no gf
health problems starting to cast a shadow. Think I might be diabetic or becoming diabetic. No health insurance either so even if I was emotionally able to deal with this I couldn't financially deal with it.
>>26577811
Where you at?
original pls
Turned 25 a month ago, the feels and regrets feel heavier and heavier.
>>26577835
Pls no bully, I'm from Cyprus.
24, soon to be 25. I managed to get an entry level helpdesk job and its not bad at all. Free Chinese or other styles of food (depending on which chef is cooking lunch/dinner). Only $15/hr now, but the boss man has said that the next step for me will be a salaried position.
>>26577771
law school is incredibly stressful yeah but i have already done pre law and i liked it a lot. and since i would into IT law i wouldnt have to compete with chad and his connections for a wagecuck job.
>>26577746
IT job? Why do you guys always have to be so vague? Anyway, I could never do that. I'm 27 yo, finishing my useless masterswhile falling deeper into my depression. I've got some certs, but they are mostly academic writing related and shit. Only got CISCO CompTIA A+ as anything IT-related oh and some IT-admin bullshit cert.
Hope I can eventually work in an area that's connected with bicycles as that's the only thing I enjoy anymore, but they might find me "overqualified" even for a shitty retail job and I have no drive/ambition to pursue a higher manager position. Feels bad man.
>>26577818
It's something fun to do in one's spare time. Helps develop one's writing and all that. And then you meet someone who brings out the good writer in you, someone who challenges you to turn sentences into paragraphs and to turn text fucking into text love making. Your characters fall in love and you make the mistake of living vicariously through your character because your real life isn't going so well and you feel your character's happiness and it makes you real life better. You feel what it's like to be happy.
>>26577104
I know this is a very dickheaded thing to say, but just reading about all that complex, extremely sophisticated technology and software infrastructure being painstakingly crafted and supported for the sake of some stupid normie business that's probably useless or even negative bummed me out a lot.
>>26577882
Cheers! I've been there once many years ago, I remember we rented a car and went to see these white cliffs somewhere, and we went to Nicosia, we lived in some smaller place otherwise. Are you greek?
My uncle was a UN soldier there too, when things were tense between the Greeks and the Turks, but he got sent home after he punched a military police in the face.
I turn 25 next week.
>tfw I thought I'd have a shiny degree, wife and maybe a kid by now
>tfw I dropped out of community college after 3 semesters and have been shitposting ever since
>>26577454
Not remembering biblical trivia you haven't heard since sunday school is not a big deal anon.
>>26577949
well I work as an admin for a small company, I am basically their only IT staff and do everything from reset password to run their active directory and VMs. That said I don't have any certs and got the job after repairing the presidents computer (I used to repair computers as a side job) and he asked me if I wanted a job.
>>26577367
>>26577461
>$167k debt for a philosophy degree
You might as well just kill yourself.
>>26577104
that sounds complicated
>>26577971
Y-yeah. S-so you up for that L4D or what?
>>26578051
L4D is too new for me really, I've played it 30 minutes, some greek actually asked me to practice a bit so we could play, but it never happened. You wanna play SF2, Mortal Kombat II or Killer Instinct I'll take you on tho.
>>26577958
I know what you mean. I have the same problem of getting very attached, sometimes to things that people would think are silly or irrational.
People say that men divorce love from sex much easier but I haven't found that to be the case for me at all.
>>26578107
No, sorry, I don't have autism, so I don't play fighting games.
>>26578139
Oh please, all greeks have autism by default.
>>26578159
Blow it out your arse, sperglord.
>>26576396
25 in may here,
Got a good job in oil industry and making some good money
Going to buy my own house(without any mortgage) by next year's may
Living with my parents to save money
Paid off parent's debt last year
Still virgin
>>26576706
>But I don't want to work until I die
Welcome to reality brobot
27 no job, no car, no friends, no cell phone, not a sinlge dollar to my name, havent left the house in months, dont shower shave or brush my teeth anymore, just sit in my room pirate movies and play video games all night
>>26578191
>>26578191
hey bro are they still hiring in ND or MO ? I figured with gas prices down it wouldn't be worth it to trek out their for work, but last year had at least 5 people tell me how they walked on and started making 19/hr. What is the deal?
I know I'm only 22, 23 in four months, but still, I feel the ever crushing wave of years coming from the horizon.
>no job
>kv
>live with parents
>HS dropout, although, TRYING to get my GED
>can't maintain fitness/lifting, always start it but quit after a month or two
>no hobbies or determination
>constantly feeling sad or down, regretting my past everyday
>constant suicidal thoughts but don't think I could go through with them
>not on any meds, nor do I take or consume any form of drugs
I honestly don't know what to do anymore. When I was a teenager, I used to constantly have nightmares about growing up and becoming homeless. Even then, I've always felt bad for homeless people and the few times I've held down a job, I'd always give them money.
I'm just so sick of failing and quitting everything in my life and I just want to make some progress... in something. I hate it, I hate who I am and I want to change.
>>26578179
The way I gather it, greeks would rather have it blown in their arse.
>>26578227
I'm working in UAE(dubai to be specific) famalam, they pay good enough there 26k per two months, 28 days work and another 28 days off. Work is extremely fucking tiring but I don't see myself working as a cashier and making this much. They hire but you always have to be on the lookout or some paki/indian will take the job before you even apply for it
>>26578237
Hey, man, I'm sorry I disrespected your taste in vidya.
25, making $50k a year, gf of a year and a half. Get on my level.
>>26578305
oh cool, mirin your resolve and living internationally (i assume, although i guess you might be from the UAE)
26 NEET
For some reason my depression randomly shut off a few months ago. I'm just at the point where I don't care anymore.
>>26578212
what games have you been playing lately?
>tfw all of us are the future homeless people
>>26578338
kek, no worries mane, efharisto, I think we both found it refreshing to throw some insults around. I actually prefer olden adventures/rpg but those aren't good for multiplayer. Hope you'll find a worthy opponent somewhere, anon-san.
>>26576396
>> 33 year old Male
>> never had GF
>> had a few jobs
>> out on sick right now
>> sill at home with folks
feeling down im going to do it im going to move out by the end of the year I just need to raise 5K for a deposit
iv been looking around and I found this but no money yet so all I can do is save save and save
>>26578463
forgot to addlink heh heh
http://www.righ tmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-37 840113.html
>>26576481
I was also scared of dentists, didn't go for like 8 years. Now I have been going twice a month for a few months to get everything fixed. Had one root canal even, but with anesthetic I couldn't feel a thing. Definitely go if you can afford it.
>>26578463
Are you a deviantart lurker? i saw this pic on deviantart. Can i ask you for a specific kind of pic?
>>26578421
You too, faggotron.
>>26576396
28
retail wage slave
share an apartment with my brother
no gf
virgin
friendless
getting to the point where I just don't care anymore. Society can have it's expectations, but I'm not going to obsess over living up to them, it's too depressing.
27 next month
no job but getting my MBA
live in an apartment with my buddy
not virgin
>>26576396
26
There is no hope, never was
Who else scared of turning 30?
>>26579113
Me. Because I just know I'll still be in the same place I am.
>>26576396
26, live at parents, no gf, never had a job, cant drive
i don't see the point in anything. theres no truth, no direction, no destination, no way to value one thing over another. people say "do what makes you happy!" but that takes work, and why is the "happy feel" valued more than simply being sad or numb.. sadness if comfortable, reliable and doesn't disappoint. so i have no reason to do anything. i also believe that death will erase everything i did as if it never happened because my brain will turn off, like a videogame without a save feature, so all this shit may as well not exist.
i guess this will be my life until my death, unless some insane event can correct these beliefs i cant unsee.
>>26576396
fuck me
i'm turning 25 in a month
is life over?
Anyone missed out on the important milestones of life and now realise it's too late to catch up?
I live with my parents, don't have a job, don't have a degree, don't have a gf and I can't drive. People five years younger than me have that and more.
>>26579202
The only thing holding you back is you.
Go out and get that license brah, then go back to school, then get a job, then get a gf.
You got this, we're all gonna make it.
>>26579202
People my age have careers, are married and have families
I'm nowhere close to anything worthwhile in my life.
Im 23 and these posts are scaring me but i still dont have the motivation to change...
If I was over 25 and I still came to /r9k/, I'd fucking kill myself, not a word of a lie. I'm 19, I come here to let my insecurities out when I get frustrated with normies. I know I won't be here in a years time because I'll have established a life by then.
Seriously, how do you deal with it? I couldn't imagine.
>>26579282
>Seriously, how do you deal with it? I couldn't imagine.
Because the idea of hurting my family by killing myself hurts worse than life itself. I can't do that to them.
>>26579282
>I know I won't be here in a years time because I'll have established a life by then
No, you won't. You'll probably be here again as well, sorry.
>>26579282
>I'll have established a life by then.
>>26579325
I get that man, you're not being selfish and I appreciate that. But do you not think that really putting some work into your life and getting yourself out of that rut would make them happier? Honestly, they probably expect you to kill yourself someday the way youre going.
>>26579353
Eh, like I said, if I was honestly here in 2017, it'd still probably be to vent some frustrations that I can't elsewhere. I don't see myself become a bitter NEET with no hope.
>>26579365
Poor RDJ-sempai. What height is he?
>>26576396
25 here
a year and a half ago I was engaged.
havent had any contact with women since.
before her I was a virgin.
I work for my dad but dont actually do anything except shitpost on 4chan.
Used to be a jock until I gained 100 lbs.
I dont know whats worse, neets or a guy who had it all and lost it.
29 NEET
I have been in the psychiatric clinic for 5 weeks recently.
The new antidepressant is helping me to lift my mood.
>>26579431
Well clearly you have the potential dude, you just got fucking lazy. Why did she leave you?
Honestly, it seems like you need a proper shift in your frame of mind and start working to get your life back in order. Fuck this site, it's not worth being miserable over.
>>26576396
I'm 19 but I'm nearly completely bald now. Full on costanza. Can I post here?
>>26579508
Shave it and own it.
>>26578991
I will be 27 in 2 months.
There is hope, given you direct it towards a more achievable idea of fulfillment. If you do not, you'll see that hope will likely lead to disappointment, & I have forsaken it in the past due to this.
>>26576396
>27
>got an okay job and I don't plan on leaving
>want to go out on dates but I hate myself too much
>live with a roommate and possibly getting a house to move in my cancer ridden mother
Things could be worse
>>26579481
>Why did she leave you?
I wouldnt move to michigan with her and something about letting a hypothetical dog die because I told her spending 10k to keep a 15 year old dog alive was retarded.
you know what's even worse? having an older sibling that's worse
>older brother is 30
>works full-time wage
>parents ask him for rent every month which basically all goes towards his student loans (a diploma he didn't even need)
>older brother keeps delaying payment as long as he can
>older brother is mildly autistic so he spergs out and rages whenever my dad asks for the money
>tfw he just finished having a shouting match with my mom about paying and went off about how he is leaving forever
it's not even that big of a deal, $400 a month to cover your student loans and an entire floor of the house to yourself, he doesn't even need to buy food yet he still rages. i used to pay $500 a month when i had a job. this whole situation makes me feel like shit.
>finish uni
>miraculously get a job that uses my degree knowledge
>decent pay
>decent hours
>still think about killing myself every morning
It feels like every day is going to be the same until death, I have nothing to look forward to except the weekends, a brief interlude before Monday comes around and I do it all again.
Turning 24 this year but Im still pretty much past the point of no return
>live with paranoid divorced mom who lives off alimony from my dad, never met any of her side of family
>only see my dad every couple months, feel awkward every time Im around him/his side of family
>went to community college on & off since 2011, dropped out last year
>never had a job
>constant anxiety, crippling depression
>>26579520
>a more achievable idea of fulfillment
Like what, exactly?
I've read from top to bottom and herein is the answer to that question most of you are struggling to ask:
http://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Essay-Man-Revolt/dp/0679733841/
After being 25 for almost a whole year and literally NO improvement even though I've tried to put myself out there. I'm reaching a turning point. I have no hope. I'm still a complete robot. All my dignity is basically on a boat to China.
I don't really want anything anymore. just wanna die. I can't bring myself to do it though.
neet for a decade
health declining
losing friends
not great
once you acquire all this shit that you're lacking, it's like being dropped off in the middle of no where still.
knowledge doesn't come to you digestible, you have to do the work of figuring shit out first, still.
like right now i have more money in savings than i've ever had in my life.
but it doesn't seem to be doing anything for me. all my money just sits in my account, i don't even have a desire to spend it.
no friends to spend it on, no family to spend time with, there's no point.
more and more i question what the point is because i haven't figured it out yet.
>>26580162
Realize why exactly it is we desire relationships, aside from our primal, biological desire which compels us towards one. What does a relationship have to offer that is all that significant?
Status, would be one thing, but status can be achieved by other means. An upright status is characterized by nature, not necessarily by extrinsic factors such as wealth & relationships.
Companionship, which can be achieved by other means. Other humans are not a requirement for companionship.
Sex, which is overrated, being unnecessary for our bodies & prosperity.
One primary reason we desire romantic relationships, is because we desire to be cared about, which provides purpose. We can find meaning elsewhere in passions, commitment & other forms of desire. We see a more ideal version of ourselves reflected in the partner's eyes, which is why relationships tend to raise confidence. In other words, an attempt at a relationship is an attempt to think higher of ourselves, because ourselves is our best & primary concern, it always has been, ever since birth. We can go about achieving greater things for ourselves by other means, which lack the conventional drawbacks of typical relationships. Remember, enter a committed relationship & you will regret it. The initial love & desire that draws you to that person will eventually wither. Sure, our bodies are capable of releasing chemicals which render us committed to partners in the long-term, but it is not nearly the same. Yet, don't enter a relationship, & you will certainly regret that too. Do or don't, you're damned either way, & as I've mentioned, achieving this facade can be gone about by other means which are fare more practical, direct & honest regarding what we REALLY desire. So,
>Like what, exactly?
to act for the best, most pragmatic interest of yourself. Ask yourself what you think could better you & your situation, then set achievable short & long-term goals, then you follow through with them.
>>26580678
Have you seen the movie Noi Albinoi..it is the first place I heard that quote and also where I learned that Kierkegaard roughly translates to "churchyard" or "graveyard"...I really liked Either/Or and I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to promote a more philosophic understanding on /r9k/...still it's troubling that I'm here sometimes.
>>26580678
You may not like to hear this, but this is the conclusion I've come to & it has helped me a tonne. As I am, I am incapable of ever achieving any fulfilling relationship. But you may be, & following through with this by making self-improvement a lifestyle could result is something considerable, even the romantic relationship you desire.
>>26580767
I haven't, but Kierkegaard is one of my favourite philosophers so I'm obliged to watch it.
>still it's troubling that I'm here sometimes.
The negativity here can be utilized as I see it. Coming here reminds me that if I do not relentlessly persist with betterment, I will end up here again for the reason I used to frequent (wallowing in self-pity).
Coming up on 26 really fast. I graduated from uni with two degrees and thought I'd have decent job prospects. I was wrong. I gave a shot at beekeeping but all of my bees died. Now I'm going to work freelance all year and hope that I can get up enough money to try beekeeping again (this time with more hives, more equipment, more everything).
Living at home with my parents. I'd like to move out, but I can't see that happening anytime soon. How did my life come to this...
>>26579143
What do you do? Do you get any benefits? Are your parents financially supporting you? Do they pester you about getting a job? If so, how often? What are you going to do if they kick you out? Have they threatened to kick you out yet?
>>26579282
>Seriously, how do you deal with it? I couldn't imagine.
I don't have any reason to live. But I don't have any reason to die either.
It's a weird feel.
>>26581062
Sometimes you just need a break. I'm the same age, and decided to move out because I need some time to myself. I regret it actually and wish I could be saving even more money. It was rent free too! Aren't I crazy?
It really depends on what you want to do. I thought it was so important to have a place of my own, but really, there's no reason unless you really have no other options. A car and being able to go out is enough.
>>26579368
>Poor RDJ-sempai. What height is he?
Google says 5'9", but I think he's more like 5'7.5"
>>26576419
haha eww youre the unclean filth here friendo
>>26579466
That's good, senpai. What meds are you on? Do they have any side-effects such as making you tired or making you gain weight?
>>26580867
The movie is pretty good, kind of a bildungsroman type story (set in iceland). I like those stories but I really don't know why the formative years of one's spiritual life are assumed to be in adolescence..I think they were fairly important, but my existential "crisis" has not ended yet..
>>26579909
>still think about killing myself every morning
Interesting. I think about that before falling asleep. Mornings are usually a-ok.
Also what job did you get, senpai?
>tfw 26 year old khv neet
>still live with parents in spare bedroom
>community college education, online classes
>never had a job or entered a training program
>pass days with shitposting, vidya, and japanese cartoons
>still think about oneitis from high school
>only leave the house once or twice every month
>haven't left the house at all in 2016, mom picked up psych meds for me at the end of January
>wear sweatpants and a baggy t-shirt every day, washed once a week
>shower twice a week
>favorite food is nongshim hot and spicy beef ramen
>favorite drink is Yuengling traditional lager
Anyone under the age of 20 can't be a robot. They can be late bloomers and failed normies, but as long as you still have hope you can't be part of my sekrit club.
>>26581206
Vortioxetine
New expensive stuff, little to no side effects.
No, it doesn't make me tired, I actually take meds so I don't feel tired all day long.
This is somethign Mirtazapine does. I can sleep without it, total waste that I am taking it.
Gonna speak with my psychiatrist about that.
>>26576396
>25
virgin, no gf (obviously), no job, no car, lived in a shared apartment
>29 (now)
gf, not a virgin anymore (obviously), car, great job, living in our own apartment (debt free)
it's kinda scary how fast everything turned around.. however I was in a bad place back then and actually wanted to an hero with 30 (had that plan since I was 20, probably would've done it too)
>tfw 27 and still searching for a femanon gf
Where's my white whale, guys?Minus the whale part.
>>26581346
How did you turn it around? I'm 25 and lost all hope. I have a job at least.
>>26581487
>2016
>nearly 3 years till wizardhood
>hasn't ascended above the primitive urges of common plebs
It's like the teachings of the wise robot have had no effect on you, anon.
>>26581111
i made some shit money self employed but mostly rely on parents and don't buy anything - i dont see the point in buying anything
they said they'll never kick me out but i dont feel good being here, i dont feel good anywhere
>>26581503
He juststopped being someone elseandstarted being himself.
>>26581223
I'll make note of the movie.
>I really don't know why the formative years of one's spiritual life are assumed to be in adolescence
Perhaps because most begin to experience existential crises around that time. At least for me, it took some years after adolescence to find viable reasons for some contentment. I'd imagine no one figures a whole lot out then.
>my existential "crisis" has not ended yet
I can't say mine has either. We'll never achieve contentment in every aspect of life, but I suppose we only require enough motivation to get by through adopting subjective reasons for purpose. For me, the potential for pleasant experiences provides me enough reason, i.e learning more about the world through reading & the arts, others, myself, seeing new places & things, trying new activities & following through with the betterment that I know will eventually make life more worthwhile. Most importantly, reforming my perspective had made faring through the consistent suffering more bearable.
>>26581611
>reforming my perspective had made faring through the consistent suffering more bearable.
Pic related. I'll stop posting Kierkegaard now since I'm not sure whether this constitutes as avatarfagging.
>>26581561
What's wrong with being someone else?
Halloween was always so much fun. I got to be whatever I want. I just decided that the rest of my life, I'd want to dress up as Chad and then skip the boring parts of my life.
>>26581611
> that I know will eventually make life more worthwhile
lmao, stay deluded my grass is greener faggot. it cant possibly get worse, or stay the same.. r-right?
27, been on here for the past 13 years. What a waste. I could have been a normie, now the closest I'll be is an unpassable tranny.
>>26581561
>>26581503
nah mate, I stopped being myself and started being the person I wanted to be...
by which I mean that I forced myself to: start and finish a CS degree, go to the gym, stop eating tons of carbs, go to job interviews and proactively look for a girlfriend ..
I cant take credit for finding a gf though, she found me and took all the initiative
>tfw 31 next month
>>26581248
>Interesting. I think about that before falling asleep. Mornings are usually a-ok.
How can you not want to kill yourself during the process of waking up, stumbling bleary-eyed from bed, eating breakfast, getting in a car and driving to work to sell your life by the hour?
>>26576507
>>26576500
>>26576471
samefagers
>>26581611
Nice avatar either way.
the existential crisis:camus' absurdism::the revolution:trotsky's communism
permanent revolution for a permanent existential crisis
just came up with that...bretty gud shitposting eh senpai?
>>26576396
>29
>wagecuck
>health getting shit
>moved out
>will not become a wizard this year
>cut ties with my mom because she is/was a cunt
>relationship with dad getting surprisingly better
>tfw old, balding, fat dad has gf
>tfw dad gets laid more than I do
>might move to a place with actual heating at the end of the year
>still fap between 1 to 3 times a day
>only girl I like already has a boyfriend and I'm just orbiting because I'm genuinely in love
It's been a tough ride climbing out of the deep dark pit. Not even sure I'm getting anywhere.
>27
>self employed graphic designer
>shitty small office but it's something
>no education
>premature grey hair
>nice voice and face but dumpy body (fat in the middle, skinny arms pic related)
>parents are nice
>get laid enough despite my man tits because I am ambitious and a hell of a salesman
>shitty small house with roomie that's always a mess
>trying to break an addiction to weed and alcohol
>trying to lose my man tits
>sad that I'm not a father yet
>sole conservative in a sea of liberals
>waiting to get a herpes test
>trying to move to the california but I'm too poor
>ADD out the ass
>IRS is going to fuck my shit up any day now
it has it's ups and downs.
>>26581549
Huh, sounds like we're in the same boat. I don't see the point in doing much of anything anymore. It's like my sole reason for existing is to line the pockets of rich assholes by either buying their goods or working for nothing to help sell those goods.
>>26576668
>lost a bunch of weight
>got a GF last year
proof that 90% of fatties are just lazy chads who are only alone because they cant put down a fork
you don't know what its like to be a real robot
>25
>been neet since i graduated high school
>just took a forklift course
>have an interview tomorrow for $18/h job
i'm not gonna get it
>>26576755
This is what happened to me. My NEETbux dried out and my parents wouldn't pay. So you go become a wagie.
>>26581670
Considering that one year ago upon having reached the lowest of low in my abject situation, I was on the verge of killing others & myself, so I'd say it definitely can get more worthwhile, given you put in the effort for it to. Life's not easy, it wasn't meant to be for people like us, given that we're here. I had originally frequented here because the world had seemed a dark, cold, unfair place, & perhaps it still is, but I no longer allow it to consume me. I'm sure that if I can get past this by refining my perspective, that you can too, because I am still at a disadvantage, fated to die alone due to my misfortune. I'm sure that you've more potential than I do due to this.
So do nothing & you're damned. What's worse than living your life trying to make it better would be a miserable life of inaction, with the burden of its crushing regret entailing.
>>26581713
>stop eating tons of carbs
Stopped reading right there. You were just a fucking normiesheep from the very beginning.
Remember, little sheep:
>OBEY
>CONSUME
>MARRY
>REPRODUCE
>>26581786
By not being a wagecuck,yet. =(
>28
>go to physical therapy and personal trainer
>spend my time here and playing video games
>plan on getting better to go back to work
>>26582014
what do carbs have to do with being normie?
>>26576571
Do it. You will be 30 or 40 eventually might as well get it together now.
i'm waiting for winter to end before i even start applying to jobs. fuck leaving the house during this weather.
>>26581881
i feel like theres no truth and each direction is as absurd as another, so i don't move which is no less torturous. then ill die and itll all be erased like nothing. my thoughts are chemicals that simply try to get my body to survive.. a self aware robot. i cant be angry.. the gods are absent, the universe uncaring and each human lacks the autonomy to make it worthy of blame.
>>26582083
Nothing. Just that bunch of normies believe in some bullshit low-carb ketogenic diet. But just look at those people who promote those diets, they are all fat fucks, some of them suffering from diabetes. If you want to be lean, look at what lean people such as athletes (long-distance runners, cyclists) eat and you quickly find out that they are CARBED THE FUCK UP. Ketosis is a meme for faggots who sit on their asses all day so that they can think they are "hacking" their bodies to magically lose weight by doing nothing.
>>26576677
>no free time
>posting on 4chan
>>26582175
> look at what lean people such as athletes (long-distance runners, cyclists) eat and you quickly find out that they are CARBED THE FUCK UP
you ever consider that they eat those carbs to have the energy to train?
perhaps they're lean because they exercise like mad all the time... wouldn't that be something...
>>26581948
>fated to die alone due to my misfortune
What exactly?
Anyways, I'm in the same boat that you were in. I doubt it could get much better for me.
>>26582175
can't speak for anybody else but ketosis pretty much killed my appetite, I had to force myself to eat in the evening after not eating all day +workout
ketosis by itself doesnt make you lose weight, not eating tons of sugar and working out probably will though
if you think you have to >CARB THE FUCK UP
to lose weight you must be retarded, sorry to break it to ya
>>26582240
Of fucking course they have to exercise. You have to exercise (or eat less) to lose weight.
>>26582294
It's not about carbing the fuck up. It's about working out, obviously. But there is no point in cutting carbs since carbs are what will give you the energy to exercise.
All I'm saying is that this CARBS ARE BAD meme needs to die.
>>26576618
More images of sad birthdays like this?
>>26579282
>I still came to /r9k/, I'd fucking kill myself, not a word of a lie. I'm 19
you're here forever.
>>26582248
An ischaemic stroke leading to ABI during my adolescence. It had denied me a proper youth, & it seemed as well the potential for a fulfilling adulthood. Around that time is when my life had crumbled around me due to the consequences of the condition, ultimately rendering me robotic (literally, due to inhibited emotions).
>I doubt it could get much better for me.
After all that has happened, I can't help but laugh at that bullshit statement. If it turned out that I was not necessarily a lost cause, then I seriously doubt that you are either. It's a shame that archivemoe had crashed. If it didn't, then you could directly compare the overtone of this trip's post to my old one's. If you were here around one year ago, then perhaps you may remember the spiteful, shitposting tripfag that was epicboy2014. If it rings a bell, perhaps you'll understand what I mean by no matter how deplorable your situation seems now, you've likely still the potential to improve it substantially.
>>26582366
I only used ketosis to lessen my appetite, my lifts went down a bit but not by much, can't really say that I didnt have energy to work out ... if anything I felt more awake during the day and was able to concentrate better
but do what you want mate, my way doesnt necessarily have to be your way...
>>26576396
are you literally me ?
(how can this not be original?)
29, live alone, $84k/year job.
No friends, no boyfriend. Nobody will ever want me. Today I saw my new office and immediately smiled because the 6th floor cafeteria is easy to jump off of onto the street below -- just in case shit hits the fan and I need to an hero asap.
>>26582492
>Nobody will ever want me
why?
you could get a dog, or a /r9/obot.
They'd love you forever if you give them a place to sleep and food ;^)
>>26582492
>no boyfriend
gr8 b8 m7 (i call u m7 cos ur not my m8)
>88
>wife was born in 99
>she's an old hag now
just
26 this year.
>KHV
Wagecuck. A gf isn't going to change me. I see people with partners everywhere. Even talking to women they bring up their partners.
May as well get an escort. I am better alone.
>>26582492
I'd live with you anon regardless if you were a fat neckbeard or a land whale fembot
29
Live with my brother in a 2BR Apt.
Have my own car (2013 Mini Cooper S)
No GF, no friends
In charge of a warehouse for a cable company and getting VA benefits
Going to be 30 in 3 months and I don't see this wild ride stopping. But I like it so far.
>>26582492
post your boipucci, you may get a bf
>>26582578
your wife is 16 ?
>>26582757
Yes, it's horrible isn't it?
>>26582711
sounds pretty good anon, any goals for the future?
If I lived alone I'd definitely get a realdoll or a sick VR setup
>>26582905
I'm doing alright. I don't have any goals that aren't lofty as shit (i.e. FINALLY GETTING WITH MY ONEITIS good news though she's getting older and fatter).
I like where I am right now. The only thing I'd change is I wish my brother wasn't such a slob. But I'm glad he keeps it confined to his room.
>>26576396
25 yo neet
dropped out of college three times because anxiety and self-loathing, not being able to make friends killed my confidence and apathy ensued
have held down a couple of odd minimum wage jobs here and there but after a couple of months it becomes increasingly clear to my co-workers that i'm just not 'like them', that something is off about me and im ostracized from the group resulting in me quitting the job because i cant deal with it.
Cant see the situation changing tb h
no job, no gf, no degree, no nothing
>>26576486
It really is fucking unreal man. Time won't stop!!!!
>>26581258
>that kid in school who had literally no friends
yeah, he's not a robot
>26
>work full-time in the field I majored in
>live with parents
>no gf but wouldn't care if I spent the rest of my life single
>overall pretty happy
>only foreseeable goal is to use my savings to move to a big city
Chicago seems pretty tempting
25 year old big bro here.... Been working out hard last few months.. been a Virgin untill Valentine's day this year.. feelsgoodman.jpg motivation is so heavy right now not even playing.. and not because of some girl either, Bitches hate self pity which I was all about.. In all honesty I'm out doing myself month to month and don't want to look back
>>26576486
Been 25, and I don't even care.
I just turned 23 today
>>26576396
28
grad student in the humanities
if i don't get into a phd program im going to be a neet
>24
>childhood spent being abused at home and bullied at school
>adolesence spent being an anxious sperg
>break down and become insane, start worshipping a bleeding sky eye i saw in a dream
>act like a total schizo sperg for years
>somehow manage to not end up in a madhouse or even be suspected of being mad
>recently turn my life around, decide to hide the crazy and manage to overcome my anxiety, now well on my way to getting a job and surely get a gf at last
>secretly plan to BTFO normies and get revenge for bullying when the opportunity reveals itself
>>26579143
You are exactly like me, top kek my friend.
>be depressive alcoholic who extricated himself from a life of dead-end misery
>recently achieved the culmination of my entire decade-spanning journey out of mental disorder hikkiNEETdom hell
>like i achieved something so great and practically singular that i can't even post it in this post or people will be able to identify me irl by it
>literally achieved everything i ever wanted
>feel nothing, it's just a hassle to deal with the particulars
>been horny for months, no luck with chicks
>today 10/10 hottest girl i've ever had in my life comes over and does literally all my fetishes
>she just left
>feel nothing
>been sober for months (alcoholic)
>immediately feel dissociation kicking in as she leaves
>go buy booze
>now sitting with bottle of booze in front of me
i don't get it
hedonism doesn't work
accomplishment doesn't work
i know booze won't work
what is left? i just keep thinking of that line from houllebecq's submission
>life presents itself as a series of petty annoyances
>>26576668
its epic but it could have been more epic if the 8 landed on a 6
>>26577061
>about to get married
life is good... r u sure about that
>>26576396
Same fucking thing with 29. Finnishing a degree.
>>26576623
Man, you will always feel isolated in college, regardless of your age.
>>26576396
26 living in parents basement, no job, no gf ever.
i think my end game is an hero when parents die
Who else /SleepToEaseThePain/ here
>wake up at 5, go right to work
>get home at 2:30
>right to sleep for a 3 hour nap
>wake up, browse internet, eat dinner, shower
>back to bed for the night at 9:00
not much keeping me going
>>26582475
we all form a giant NEET entity
>>26576396
Well, I just turned 26 a few monthes ago, but things are actually starting to look up. Lost my virginity on Halloween night last year and reunited with an old friend who got out of prison. I now make 16$/hour doing construction (it's really not that hard) and I'm trying to talk to girls more. My mother died recently (last parent I had) so now I'm staying with some friends. Could be better could be worse.
>>26585295
You will die from mold first.
>>26585295
if they let you live with them, why not in your room instead of the fucking basement?
>>26576883
>Still not happy though
How is this even possible?
>plus side
I got a job that pays over 100k
>minus side
I don't like the job that much
No GF / No Friends
Last weekend I bought a box of wine (= 4 bottles) and I drank 3/4ths of it over one day, then I passed out / fell asleep, only to wake up as drink the rest of the box. So I basically drank an entire box of wine by myself in one go.
>>26585064
it is like im really on a tumblr
>>26576883
>wifey
>Married
>qt3.14 cat
I thought I have seen the biggest beta faggot fucks of them all, but you now top my list.
>>26577061
>>about to get married
Retard
If you've literally never approached a female with romantic intensions before, what does it feel like? I've generally very calm and can talk to even super hot girls pretty well. But it's because I'm not considering any form of lasting relationship with them.
How does it feel to put yourself out they and risk rejection? I genuinely can't imagine myself doing that because my self esteem is so shit as it is.
>>26585504
why would you comment this? it might actually be true though the walls around me let water in ayy lmao
>>26585543
theres no room upstairs and i wouldnt want to be so close anyways. how is this your only hang up on my situation why does it matter what part of the house i live lol
>>26585647
Why don't youactually try it?Just drive to the next city over if you're worried about >muh reputation.
>>26576396
i got a job today after being unemployed for 8 months anons!
:^)
30 years old, can't complain about my life too much, but goddamn being a manchild sure feels more embarrassing than it did at 25. At 25, "shit, we're millennials and we're all lazy self-absorbed idiots," at 30 that excuse just doesn't feel as strong as it used to
I'm worried in 5 more years I'm gonna feel compelled to stop jerking off to anime and try to find whatever girl will settle for me and I'm scared
How am I doing?
28 with a bachelors and 26k student loan debt. Making 28k/year but getting a 6k raise later this year to 34k, working night shift. Still live with my parents but I'll be able to move out in a couple months after getting my teeth fixed (expecting ~1-2k dentist bills).
No gf but I'm superfat, lost about 120lbs but still a lot to go.
I myself am 54 years of age. I just found this on my sons computer, where am I?
>>26585931
You are doing well mate. Whats your job?
>>26582573
>m7
made me kek
>>26585996
Campus police dispatcher for the past 6 years. I basically dick around on 4chan all night when it's slow. The county police is poaching all of our dispatchers so they're upping our pay a lot this year in hopes we don't jump ship.
Real comfy job.
All of you anons are special to me and I'm glad to be able to read your stories and your journeys. 99% of people in the world suck, nobody cares about us, and I for sure will die without the reciprocal love of a partner. But right here, I am glad we are able to find each other and vent because nobody else understands this stupid life of ours.
>>26586133
HEY FAGGOT!y-you too
>>26586038
Sounds like an easy job, pretty jealous senpai. Have you gotten to mace any chads in the face?
>>26586179
Na, the cops are chads. I'm the beta bitch answering phones in a little room with a ton of cameras.
>loading up the dorm elevator cams on the weekends to watch drunk stacys dressed to the 9's bringing home some guy
>they make out as soon as the elevator doors close and think nobody can see them
>tfw die a little inside
>>26586250
>record the sluts that do this
>send anonymously to them "if you dont want this going viral/sent to family send n00ds/give money"
>they panic. this is the best part this is the first time anything has gone wrong for stacey
>play it out then send videos anyways
>>26586133
Aw come here and gimme a hug anon...
>>26585659
>why would you comment this? it might actually be true though the walls around me let water in ayy lmao
Because I lived in a basement and that is what is happening to me.
>>26576396
>30
>was wage cuck for many a year
>had the friends
>had the sexy times
>drugs and alchomohol till i forgot what my color was
>developed the cazies
>now living the autistic routine dream as a pretend manchild whilst others rage around me
>>26588123
It is also not a joke, it is the worst thing you will ever deal with.
>>26588238
well you most likely have brain damage which is the same thing as autism, it presents itself the same way, sadly some are born with it and others can cause enough brain damage to acquire it.
25 kv. Honestly at 40 hours a week minimum wage I still can't live single and save more than a penny.
Paying mom rent is ok but I can't do this forever.
Being young right now fudging blows I need a better career bad or I'll never be able to get loving introvert gf/waifu/baby oven.
Airforce it is.
>>26577882
Hey I'm Turkish, my grandpa was a paratrooper in the invasion. We sure fucked you island niggers well, didn't we?
>>26576396
27. Never had a job, kissless virgin, useless degree, 5'2'' ugly manlet.
>>26588123
>>26588266
what are some signs you have me scared :( i didnt want these feels
25, NEET, live with parents
I have a phone interview tomorrow for a position I don't want, hopefully I can change it to something I would want to do.
>>26588850
when i left the house today for the first time in weeks i went and got some teriyaki chicken when i was waiting for my food i saw this 5'2 filipino manlet i laughed at him in my head and thought he was a lesser person then i see him sit down with a 8/10 girl with a qt daughter.
>all the fucking typos in this tread
>>26588309
that is a subjective opinion : 3
26. Unemployed. Kissless virgin. Live with parents.
Everyday sucks shit, but you know what? At least I'm not a wagecuck. I've worked a cumulative total of 8 years of part-time jobs and its just barely any better than having no job at all, and in a lot of ways, it's fucking worse.
I also believe parents should have to take care of their children until they die, because it's their fault that a person exists. I would never suffer a child to exist. I'm grateful to my parents for taking care of me, but I'll never forgive them for giving birth to me.
29, no bf, no friends, no job, no school.
Only leave the house once every two months.
Done with being a burden, killing myself before I turn 30
>>26590487
>no bf
Do your parents know that you're gay? Why do you leave the house once every two months at all?
29, live alone, not a virgin, no friends/gf/bf and no real interest in any, 50+ hr/week office job, $70k/yr in the Midwest, 85% of it just sits in the bank. Unable to talk to other people, totally isolated even though I'm forced to be around people all the time for work. Working is tedious and I have no real future that I can see, debating if I should just suicide via shotgun now or wait til I'm about 50 then get a little cabin in the woods and die peacefully there by just laying down and not getting up anymore.
>>26590620
I'm a girl teehee
>>26590936
You wanna be my internet gf baby i'm very lonely
>>26590951
ok show me your dick
>>26590487
I told myself that at 25, almost 31 now
maybe this year is the year
30 year old, kissless handholdless virgin, no job, no money, live with parents in an old people suburb. I actually have decent programming and design skills. Could probably get a job and a girls if I wanted, but I constantly feel depressed, like there is no point in anything.
>>26576883
>The job can suck sometimes but overall the stress and challenges make me grow and it's good for me.
>"good for me"
>"good"
>logic and basic biology does not apply to me
yes yes good brainwashed goy slave
fuckin repeat after me, WORK IS FREEDOM, MONEY IS god, TO DIE FOR WORK IS NOBLE CAUSE.
gosh fuckin pathetic, i cant wait for the system to collapse already, i'm looking forward to seeying the asspained sheeple faces when their bank account and pension saving are wiped out this spring of 2016.
>>26576921
get a job, go to school, or join the military... don't NEET for too long senpai
25 KVHV.
A loser but atleast I got a year left for my engineering degree.
32 and I just don't give a fuuuuck.
>>26576607
>300+ posts later
You tried, kiddo.
33, almost done with a professional degree after getting my shit together and going back to school.
Single but non-virgin and have held stable relationships.
Living off loans and been on my own for over 10 years now. Life's great.
>>26581940
Just become homeless
>>26576419
>29 neet
me too.
do you drive ?
>>26576396
Well, I'm out of parent's house at least.
>>26590999
This place is too pubic baby, and let's get to know each other before I show you my pee-pee.
27
Literally never had a gf
why should I not sudoku?
>>26578544
>Now I have been going twice a month for a few months to get everything fixed. Had one root canal even, but with anesthetic I couldn't feel a thing. Definitely go if you can afford it.
I am scared of showing my yellow teeth
>>26592149
I'm a few months from 27, too. I think about ending it all every day. Right now, my shitty job isn't making it any easier.
>>26576693
what a nice guy
we should all try to be more like this dude
25 in 1 month
all I have in life to be enthusiastic about is my job.
I'm just sort of a worker ant contributing to a society that has no place for me
>26 next month
>finally graduated from college in December after years of the NEET life
>really don't want to be a NEET again but I can't get a fucking interview anywhere
>mfw need a job to get experience and need experience to get a job
>mfw online job applications make you type out your entire resume after you upload your resume
I'm trying so hard to make it but it feels like the universe is conspiring against me
Has anyone ever had the misfortune of normies finding out about KHV'ness?
>>26576577
I hope he does too, that's sweet justice. It's like you put a gypsy curse on him.
>>26580517
time to meditate
>>26576653
>tfw you have no purpose or cause worth dying for.
>31
>married 2.5 years
>apartment w/ wife in nice city
>work a few days a week as security guard
>make ~2500/month to go to a good UC school paid for by the gi bill
>getting mediocre grades
>was in military four years hated every second of it
>still find comfort in r9k even though I'm married
I'll be here til I die
>>26580517
The point will be whatever you decide to make it be.
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. Let me think. Um, I think I mean that you get to decide and in a way, that is very liberating.
>>26582625
>May as well get an escort.
I should become an escort.
>>26586133
dubs of love
dat puppy tho
28 yo wagecuck about to be NEET again
25
living on my own
small business owner but barely getting by in a literal third world shithole
lost virginity at 16, had a gf for 5 years until 21 or 22
no gf since, fucked two fat chicks out of which the last one was literally a year ago
got rejected 10 times in the past year to the point where i don't even want to try anymore because chances for success appear to be slim to none
It's an abstract feel because my ex loved me and liked me physically, and to not be able to spark that kind of feedback from other girls for years now is extremely secluding
friends are starting to pick on never seing me with girls in public, too.
developing a drinking problem to the point where I've gotten shitfaced 4 times in the last seven days, for reference.
Those in this thread who think they have it bad yet never actually lifted a finger to try and get those things that they self-proclaimly desire are just lazy shits. true misery is trying and failing repeatedly without losing hope. hope is fucking cancer.
>>26593111
>I should become an escort.
miserable lifestyle, trips
>>26588594
>We
You weren't even born when it happened, yet you try to take personal credit for it. Ain't that just like a Turk?
>>26576396
You just described me, to be honest and sincere.
I'm about to buy a house and it might be a huge fucking mistake.
Fuck it, everything's turning up NEETHAUSE
>26
>widowed with a 5-year old child
>wake up feeling horribly alone and scared every day
>put on a big fake smile for the real world
>go to bed every day feeling horribly alone and scared
>never really saw a future for myself past 30
>still don't
>can't end my suffering because I have someone depending on me being around
Love was a mistake.
Anybody seeing a trend with neet and being a depressed loser? Funny how that works
>>26595536
anyone seeing a trend with normality and being insufferable normalscum? funny how that works
>>26579282
I'm 31 and my life was great before I turned 25. I had only spent a little time on /b/ before that. I didn't really use 4chan until my life plateaued.
>>26595585
Lol no job no gf and living with parents you mine as well be nine years old
Lmao
>>26582248
I see nothing other than pure determinism; all of the possible guises... okay, I might luck out with this or that girl... is the problem that I am searching for answers and explanations for existence in reproduction? I cannot see anything else, I really can't. But I refuse to believe that the fate of the universe hangs in the judgment of a fucking 18 year old girl. But what else can I say? What other truth exists?
>>26595729
yeah, that's right. now go back to fagbook with the rest of your scummy kind
>>26595751
Leeches off of parents
Doesn't contribute to anything except cum filled napkins
Calls me scummy
Okay loser
>>26595739
You need to get your head out of your ass and focus on getting a good job. Family life and kids are a byproduct of that core.
You can opt out of doing anything that does not involve instant gratification for only yourself, but you'll feel bad about it. Worry about existentialism when you're dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDK9rhWBUlg
>>26576396
I want everything to die life is shit you are shit my parents are shit fuck off fuck everything get nuked all of you that is how i feel.
>>26595776
go recharge your iphone, faggot
>>26579282
I thought the same thing when I was 19.
>>26595791
Quit being a petty faggot. He's right, but he's just baiting you. You're just wasting your own time and energy on meaningless shit.
>>26595836
Go fuck yourself senpai
>>26595836
>He's right
you should fuck off with him. you're both on the wrong board
43 soon to be divorced
living with mom right now
I'm doing pretty good. 26, web design job making about $50k, not stressed out, have a serious girlfriend of >4 years, have been able to do some traveling around the world. Life is good.
>>26595883
Fuck off normie faggot cunt whore
I'm depressed because my 'boyfriend' is mean to me (i say 'boyfriend' because he hasn't officially taken on the title in his mind despite us having sex and living together) . He arbitrarily ,disrespectfully , and daily calls me names like ' stupid' , 'retard', 'junkie' (i used to shoot heroin awhile back , but haven't in a long time ) . i.e. "Retard" pass me the remote . When we have sex he never kisses me and just goes straight to shoving his dick in my mouth and fucking. It's like straight porno sex , not the kind a girl would particularly enjoy . No foreplay really unless you count roughly rubbing my cunt for up to a min . I enjoy the fucking part of it ,but overall in mostly left unsatisfied. He's a selfish lover . The whole thing makes me sad.
>>26595899
I think I'll stay a while, thanks. Reading /r9k/ makes me feel even better about myself than I already do. It reminds me that, like, if my check engine light is on and that's kind of annoying, there's a lot of faggots out there with much worse problems.
I arranged to have my wife abducted and gang raped while I watched. I offered a bonus if they were brutal enough for my liking. They didn't let me down. It destroyed her and she hasn't fucked me since but I get particular pleasure in the fact that she has to pass the abduction sight when she goes to and returns from work each day. The mind games that I can play with the whore now are so much more fun than fucking her ever was. This is so much better than device ever could be. I will torture the bitch everyday of her life.
>>26595934
You're a selfish cunt
>>26595940
You are fucked up and need to be put down for us all like a dog. It should be a right to be able to shot you dead for being a retard and or fucked up person.
>>26595940
mischievous af
im ok but this 50year old gorgoues milf at work is teasing me
i want to eat her ass and cum into her 15times a day
fucking hell why do i find her so hot, i dont even like big asses but the things i want to do to her jesus christ someone tell me how do i get with her
>>26595960
i just copied and pasted it from the deep web lad, chill
the system is going implode very soon my fellow robots. And we will be free from this madness
>people think the 'system' is going to 'crash'
kek
24 year old kv wagecuck
should i just join the army?
working on minimum wage fucken sucks ass
>>26595960
>giving obvious attention post attention
>meaningless threats over the internet
wew lad
>>26581611
The problem with "experiencing" life is that there are far too many rules set in place by society. These rules make life "a problem to be solved." How will I pay my next bill? How will I make it another day? These are questions we ask ourselves daily. There is absolutely no way to do what you truly want and live comfortably unless what you truly want is to be behind a desk for 9 hours a day 5 days a week for the rest of your existence.
I often think of myself in this situation, im not neet, I go to school, but I often wonder wouldnt everyone be a neet if they could? Wouldnt everyone enjoy doing what the REALLY want to do day in and day out? Life is not catered for our comfort, life is all about discomfort, a constant struggle that only ends when we turn off
>>26597027
Struggle is good.
>>26576419
Do you live with your parents? Getting sick and being alone with no one to take care of you its horrible as fuck.
>>26577263
>shame for underachievement is a bad thing
>>26577454
>I just lacked confidence.
That right there probably, in some way, must by the root of your problems. Try to fix them before 25 since before you notice youll be 30.
in 14 days i'll go to the dentist, without a dental plan because i have no job.
my last visit was 5+ months ago, i was supposed to get cavities dealt with but fainted from holding my breath to deal with the needle pain and a lack of blood sugar from not eating anything that morning. i was unconcious for 30 minutes and fucked the entire attempt at patching my shitty teeth. they suggested i go to some other place and get shit removed/dealt with there.
that other place gave me a bad vibe, being small cramped and closed-in, as opposed to the more open well lit and just plain less-molestable layout of the first place. this other place also said i magically developed six other cavities the other dentist somehow missed in the 2 week difference between the advisement and going there. yeah, fucking sure.
oh, and i still have 3 wisdoms and two other fucking teeth embedded in my skull, two or three babby teeth with bullshit roots that refuse to leave home (just like me, fml) and a tooth that's basically going to need a skin graft (yeah right) in order to "look normal".
fuck normal, and FUCK TEETH SMILES. i should've gotten braces and pulled the baby teeth at 14 like was suggested by my original childhood dentist.WHY DID YOU LEAVE THE CHOICE TO 14 YEAR OLD ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT. I basically spent ALL of highschool with a fucking tooth at a 90 degree angle sticking into my lip. The permanent tooth that went there IS PERMANENTLY FUCKED BEHIND THE OTHERS.
> 30, 31 late this year
> know that they'll ask me how i'm doing
JUST
PULL
MY
TEETH OUT
YOU FUCKING BITCHESAnd yes, EVERY fucking employee in the dental office i go to is a woman. jfc fml
28 homeless. Just broke up with 5 year live in relationship lost everything. Now unemployed. At least my sleeping bag I comfy.
20 year old NEET, no job, only job I had was labouring with my granddad.
He is not like most old people, he's fit, and makes heaps of money, and smonks the dank. I was living with him, making good money smonking, one day i played vidya for a day when we weren't working, called me down told me i should leave because i didn't do this x thing i did. that was a year ago, now a NEET again, have to start work for the doll, started up smoking cigs because I'm depressed as fuck, but I hide it behind memes, and king of the hill. pls help
>>26598715
How are you posting this bro?
25 and going to start my first job in september
it involves moving away from home for the first time too
so basically instant-normie life
wish me luck robots
>>26588917
If you ever notice yourself having:
>Eyes as red as a stop sign when down in your basement.
>Weezing or shortness of breath when you are not doing anything very physical, except you never had this before.
>Clogged sinuses all the time when it never happened (no allergies).
>Feel like you're losing your mind (not from drugs) and forgetting tons of shit when you never have in your life.
>Weak as shit, when you eat perfect and workout hard as hell (built), but then randomly drop 20-30 lbs.
>You go from shitting normal, to practically shitting rocks, even if you eat high fibrous foods (prunes, etc).
>Any smell is multiplied by 100x.
>Any sound is multiplied by 20-50x.
>You notice all hair on your body practically stopped growing, when it was growing unreal before, which means your body is not absorbing nutrients from any food you are consuming.
>Anything containing oats, barley, rice, potatoes, corn, certain meat (it depends on the person with meat all are different, so test small amounts) will knock you clear out (instantly within 10 minutes put you to sleep as if it were an anesthesiologist, and nothing beats it).
Not very well.
>poor
>can't find an MMO to enjoy
>no dealer so I can consume drug and feel like normal person (not that I can really afford it anyway)
If I don't get into grad school I have to off myself.
>>26599496
Being eaten by fungus seems a fitting way for a robot to go. You know, since fungus typically grow on dead and decaying stuff, it's like nature is saying, "Your sad excuse for life was basically death."
>>26582175
>carb the fuck up
shitcunts will never understand, mate :)
>>26576396
29, married, 1 child, have job, have car, own home
life is okay. i often wish i was a 22 year old NEET again. life was so much easier then, so much time for vidya
>>26599222
>I'm not him
Obviously from a phone or at a library you ignorant fucking retard
>27
>NEET
i already know i'm not going to make it
wish i could wagecuck enough to afford a gun or exit bag
>>26595536
maybe you become a neet loer once you are depressed?
but what do I know, it is obvious that you are underage.
25 virgin here. Girls keep being interested in me and I keep fucking up because I'm socially retarded.
Being a NEET definitely doesn't help depression. I've seen it in my friends and in myself. Something about not being forced to work to survive just makes life not worth living. Being a wagecuck is just as miserable, but in the few moments outside of your shit job (when you aren't thinking about how you have to go back), I think you feel genuinely happy.
Not happy because your life is good, but because you're not at that job in that moment - and that makes it good enough.
>>26600136
>Being a NEET definitely doesn't help depression.
speak for yourself, I enjoy NEETing way more then anything else. and I have never been happier then in NEET times.
>>26600136
>in the few moments outside of your shit job (when you aren't thinking about how you have to go back), I think you feel genuinely happy.
>Not happy because your life is good, but because you're not at that job in that moment - and that makes it good enough.
Retard "debt slave" logic. Everyone is miserable all the time, but they all put on a fake act to make you believe that they are not.
33 failed cyborg NEET.
Moved back to moms 2 years ago. GF has literal outtie Arby's roastbeef Sammy.
JUST
>>26600280
>GF has literal outtie Arby's roastbeef
Disgusting, and needs to be thrown into the trash.
>>26600280
lucky. thats my fetisch
>>26600224
>>26600232
Not saying everyone is the same, just what I've experienced and what I've seen in some friends. I've tried quite a few things in life and ways of life, but misery was the one constant in all of them. There must be some way to enjoy life, at least a little, and I'd like to figure it out.
27 here just did an online interview, so fucking shit I don't know who should be more embarassed, me or the people who watch it later
>>26601195
>There must be some way to enjoy life, at least a little, and I'd like to figure it out.
Once you do something enough (becomes repetitive a.k.a. a routine) you begin to grow tired of it and become miserable, so no matter what misery will always win in the end. Life is shit and we are all debt slaves (if you can never stop working, than you are a debt slave, which is 99% of the population) to the elite. You either deal with it or kill yourself, and the second option sounds best once you're forced to work (slave).
27 here. I pretty much have no future, I will never have any relationships or career and now my health is starting to go. I'm skinny as a rail but I have hypertension because I'm anxious and pissed off all the time. The sooner I die the better anyways. I hate life so much. Even when I step back and look at it from a conceptual standpoint it's fucking awful. Every act simply exists to mitigate misery, the best we can hope for is zero, at which point the baseline resets and that becomes awful too. People who tell me to learn to love life disgust me. Even if shit was the only thing you had to eat, it would be ridiculous to tell someone to learn to enjoy it.
33 here
Broke, lonely, still living with my mom
I've spent all week trying to get some positive habits going. I've made it to the gym 3 days and not jerked off or watched porn. I've also stayed off 4chan entirely until this evening. Ive been reading spiritual stuff and meditating and trying to cut back on my over reacting and anger. Then this evening I just fell apart again and now I feel suicidal. I just can't take it any more, its a constant struggle just to say fucking sane. I have literally no passion or desire to do anything yet I despise being a failure and having no independence. If only I could summon the guts to fucking kill myself. If only
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