>It's just calories in vs calories out bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPAkBN9O9j8
>>26410641
thats disgusting senpai desu
Hard truth. Just count calories, I'm going for 1600kcal a day and lost 10kg in a few weeks without exercise.
How can one let things go so WRONG for fuck's sake ? MUH GENES MUH DEPRESSION FUCK YOU
>>26410641
No offense to people like this but if you let yourself reach the point that you are this obese you should just end it all because even if you drop that weight your still gunna be ugly af and if you die you won't pass on your retarded ass genes
>STOP DEFYING PHYISICS BRO
>HORMONES DON'T EXIST
>I"VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF BODY COMPOSITION
>IT'S FUCKIING PHYSICS BROOO
>>26411247
i did the same a few years ago, 1kcal per day and i lost 11kg in almost 2 weeks. i don't have the patience for that any more.
>>26411413
1000kcal i meant
>trying to lose weight just by eating less
this is fail and slow because it's the slowest way imaginable.
better to exercise and build lean body mass.
metabolism isn't bro-science.
>>26411440
20kg per month isn't that bad tho, and with 1000kcal/day you can still what ever type of food you want, just in smaller quantities. it's still preferred with less greasy stuff
>>26411413
>>26411430
1000 is already below starvation point. Not only a are you forcing yourself to burn out, but you're also damaging your body.
Should have done some more research. You should never go as low as 1200 when trying to lose weight. You're just fucking yourself over.
>>26411440
With or without exercise, weight loss is a long term commitment. Not a short term hobby.
>>26411467
>>26411505
true and true.
what i found is that i can't go throughout my days giving my body such little calories.
for me it was easier to eat at target and then just burn to go into a deficit.
waking up in the middle of sleep to gut wrenching hunger pain and feeling hungry 24/7 was not fun for me.
>>26410641
Holy shit, just watching this now. This is so sad. Fucking corporations shoving greasy food down the westerners mouth have so much to answer for. Bad feels bros.
>>26411578
actually, you could make a case like this.
calorie density is practically impossible to measure with the naked eye and even with the belly, for example:
a tablespoon of peanut butter is like 100 calories. a tablespoon. you could probably eat half a jar of peanut butter and not even feel phased. same with cooking oil, cheese and to a degree, sauces and dressings.
>>26411578
>corporations force you to eat junk food.
Even though free will doesn't exist it is your brains fault for not eating healthy.
medfag here
it IS just an energy balance equation.
except the regular "energy out" varies from people to people (according to their genes)
some people will spend only a tiny bit of calories per day and therefore will have to eat absurdly light to lose weight
also, your fat tissue capacity develops during your 14th through the 23rd week as a fucking fetus[1] and then until your first teen years. [2]
So, even if you eat less your body will likely never go thin since it will quickly build up as soon as you eat something.
So yeah, it's a mix of hard work and genes fucking you up, whichever will win will tell if you are fat or slim.
Also, fatties are actually usually addicted to sugar and fat.
[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6851910
[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC371945/
>>26411505
well, i kept the diet for a while and it worked just fine, tho i guess i was younger back then, like over 10 years ago younger, and i'm turning 25 this summer. plus, eating fruit between meals is more than recommended.
Ok op please prove it wrong then you'll change the laws of thermodynamics and become famous. Jee I wish I was in your shoes and had such an incredible physics defying body
>>26410641
Find your metabolic rate and go on a 500 to 1,000 calorie deficit from what your body requires to maintain its current weight with your current height, gender, weight and age. Wanna lose 100 pounds in a year? Cut 1,000 calories from what your current body needs to maintain its current size. Simple as that. It is how you are supposed to lose weight. Anyone who say's otherwise is an idiot who probably relies on unhealthy crash diets for quick success.
>>26411660
>some people will spend only a tiny bit of calories per day and therefore will have to eat absurdly light to lose weight
Only if you're 1. A woman or 2. Have the muscle mass of a 16 year old girl. Otherwise the caloric needs don't have enough of a variation to be an excuse for not losing weight.
>"Send an ambulance out here."
>What's the problem?
>"I stood up and my knee popped out"
This is natural selection at work.
>>26411723
C'mon!Este comentario, muito original, monstro
>>26411660
Also, for anyone wondering, starving yourself is a shitty idea.
Your body will literally go into a "low energy mode" and you will literally lose weight much slower then if you were keeping a regular healthy diet. (and it's unhealthy)
How to get slim without bullshit by a medfag:
> Eat Healthy
- Green plant shit + white/fish meat is the best meal
- Cut carbs completely (except for a loaf of bread during breakfast) and eat more protein
- Cut high sugar doses COMPLETELY (this is the worst), try to cut any sugar if possible (I guarantee it's impossible nowadays so you will always get a bit of a healthy dosage)
- Drink A LOT of water (dehydration is a VERY efficient way to STOP your metabolism)
> When To Eat
- Eat a lot during breakfast
- Eat some during lunch
- Eat light at night
> Exercise
- It will pump your metabolism up (force it to work overtime)
- It will make your calories balance even more negative without starving yourself
- It's generally healthy you lazy piece of shit
This is it. There is no magic. There are no secrets. This is all there is to it.
Anyway, medfag out.
>>26411660
You're an idiot. Having some fatty tissue is not going to prevent a person from never being thin. How stupid can you possibly be? Did you even read the links you provided before spewing them all over this thread? Anyone can be thin without having to kill themselves over it.
>>26411379
>no offense but if you're fat you should just die
>>26411805
The most unhealthy thing that comes from losing weight rapidly, by starving yourself, is your kidneys get fucked up something fierce. Doing crash diets are idiotic. A lot comes from a lifestyle change. Exercise is good, but someone can basically sit on their ass and lose weight if they just adjust their caloric intake a bit.
>>26411805
Jesus med school is a waste of money.
>>26411812
>Anyone can be thin without having to kill themselves over it.
>tfw DNP cycle
>tried upping the dose
>woke up at midnight feeling like death
>took a diarrhea shit
>went back to my room and started vomiting
>went back to sleep in my puddle of sweat I call a bed
On the bright side I can see all of my abs
>>26411812
>>26411847
>>26411849
I just came here to share my knowledge with you.
You take it as you want it, knowledge is not a gift you can't force people to take.
>>26411847
There is much more than that, specially when considering your immune system, hormonal balance and overall brain health too. It doesn't need to be acute to be unhealthy.
Is there any food that takes more calories to eat than it gives? Cause I want to be full while losing weight. I've failed to convince myself that hubger is a good feeling, especially after almost faintig when I haden't eaten for three days. I'm up to 250 lbs now when I had made it to 205 living at a dorm.
>>26411906
oopsie, I mean to say
>knowledge is a gift you can't force people to take
>>26411918
Your gift is misleading and wrong like a knockoff ps4
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FATERICANS
just eat more then
>>26411847
this is why i don't like these threads outside of fit.
it's been posted like 10 times that you don't need to exercise to lose weight, but you just posted that again.
we get it, you need every excuse you can to avoid exercising.
yes, you can sit on your ass and lose weight. no it's not fun and no it isn't fast.
>>26411440
doesn't losing weight extremely fast cause loose skin?
>>26411907
/r/keto my friend
>>26410641
>Americans eat themselves to death
>>26411406
>hormones allow me to break the laws of thermodynamics
I can't wait to hear more.
europoors are worthless scum sucking shitbags and deserve to be force fed feces.
>>26411660
muh genetics!!!!
kill yourself fatty.
>>26411646
>corporations force you to eat junk food.
>Even though free will doesn't exist it is your brains fault for not eating healthy.
>fast food corporations literally addict people with their food
HURR DURR ITS NOT THE CORPORASHUNS FAULT ANON ITS YOU
I had no idea how to actually count calories when I decided to lose the lard, so I was adding calories + calories from fat together.
That's how much I knew about nutrition last year.
I ended up figuring out I was a retard eating 500-700 calories a day, but stuck with it afterwards because whatever. Feels weird I hardly ever get hungry despite once being in the higher 300's.
>>26412241
>>26411812
Come talk to me when you're in med school, brainlets.
>>26412379
I use an app for it. It's amazing how quickly they add up.
Breakfast: 2 fried eggs with buttered bread + 2 sweetened coffee can be 1000kcal.
>>26412379
My Fitness Pal is a great calorie-counting app. It has a huge database and will also set for you calorie and macros goal for your current weight and then your target weight.
I also doubt you're only eating 500 kcal/day if you are almost 400 lbs, unless you're shedding off fat like crazy. Either way starving yourself is unhealthy. Stop
We shouldn't bully fatties. They are our future. Their physics-defying bodies are creating energy literally out of nowhere, since we all know they only eat 500 kcal worth of lean salads a day.
They are the source of infinite clean energy we need
>>26410641
>im not fat
>i see this
>fucking sad life boys
Jesus, just eat a fucking salad. Its tasty and healthy, it isn't hard to be healthy.
Its like, he is sad, he doesn't want to die but he is too lazy to do anything about it.
>>26412454
It sure does. I just straight up cut bready things from my usual diet and treat it more as something special once in a while because toast alone can take so much out of your day. Now that I know more about calories and can practically estimate or remember everything in my head, it amazes me how high certain foods are and just how much I used to eat.
>>26412552
I lost 130 lbs in a year and since I don't know my exact starting weight, it was probably closer to 150 or more. It might not have been 500 every day, but it was close. I've been a lot more lenient with my calories lately though and bumped it up close to 800-1000 at least. I don't want to add too many too fast, but I'll get to a better range soon enough.
>>26412725
You don't even need to eat healthy all the time, just stick to the calories.
My day today
Breakfast: 2 fried eggs, 2 brown bread slices buttered, slice of 48+ cheese, gingerbread slice buttered, 2 cups of sweetened coffee = 1003kcal
Lunch: tea and cake = 145 kcal
Dinner: roasted eggplant with cheese, olives, green peppers and pesto
Total under 2000 kcal
I don't drink soda, just sparkling water or rivella (2 kcal per glass).
>>26412179
Why don't you tell us the laws of thermodynamics, buddy?
>>26410641
Anyone else here only eat 1000 calories a day and still can't lose weight
>>26410641
>It's just calories in vs calories out bro
Correct.
>>26412904
Energy In, Energy out. It's that simple
If you have a 2000 kcal daily maintenance and you eat 2000 kcal your weight won't fluctuate. If you eat 3000 kcal in a day you'll gain weight. If you eat 1500 kcal you'll lose weight
However if you fatties claim to be eating 1000 kcal a day and still be gaining weight we must connect you to the power grid because you're creating energy out of nowhere and thus we solved the crysis for clean sustainable energy
>I'm cutting back to only 3 large pizzas a day I'm still not losing weight because muh genetics
Said every fatfuck in damage control mode ever.
>>26412945
You're not eating 1000 kcal a day you triple nigger
>>26412904
The first law says all that fat came from somewhere, it isn't created on the spot out of nothing
>>26412348
>eat a lot of fast food because fat and lazy
>IT'S NOT MY FAULT THEY MADE ME DO IT
>>26412945
>only eat 1000 calories a day and still can't lose weight
>>26412904
So you're generating mass out of nowhere?
>>26412974
The heaviest I was was 130kg.
It's almost unmaintainable. A medium four cheese pizza is around 1500kcal.
A normal sized man can eat another 1000 over the day. I can't imagine the amount of food you'd need to eat to get to 200+kg.
>>26413063
It's still a massive amount but it's doable without being a huge mountain everyday
Eat a lot of shitty fast food, carbs every meal, add soda on the mix (this is the worst literally a huge amount of empty calories and it's possible to drink 1L of it in one go) and BAM you're fat
>>26412945
I doubt you're only eating 1000 cals then.
Eat more meat and vegetables and cut down on the carbs and sugar if you haven't. If you aren't doing so already, count calories in oil you use to cook food as well.
You should also get yourself a digital kitchen scale to properly weigh your food and be exact because that could be what you're underestimating the calories of.
>thin arms and wrists, tall, skinny legs
>fat gut and bitch tits
the worst
>>26413099
This. I'm a fat fuck, I have no self-control, I regularly drink 1.5L soda bottles in one go along with pizzas, fried chicken and other shit like that.
I've made a few attempts to lose weight in the past, best I did was a month on home-cooked chicken and fish with exercise, then I had a takeaway to treat myself and lapsed again. Nobody to blame but myself, I'll probably try again this year and see if I can do any better.
>>26413063
Lots of carbs, sugars and fats.
Fried potatoes with a 2L of coke should work.
>>26413099
Sweetened soda should be outlawed.
What's wrong with sparkling water or rivella? It's available in a shitload of tastes.
>>26413148
It shouldn't be outlawed you dumbfuck
People should just stop drinking so much of it.
>>26413161
It should be outlawed. It's literal fucking poison. Corn syrup is death incarnate.
>>26413191
Lack of self control isn't a reason to outlaw
>>26413191
Go fuck yourself Hippy that's a dangerous slippery slope.
>>26413148
>>26413191
I agree but it should be taxed instead of outlawed. We all know what happens when something is outlawed
>>26413196
It has no value and should be outlawed as a protection. The only reason it's not banned is because the companies pay the government. Same as cigarette companies.
It is. I was 480 pounds by the time I was 16.
I was so fat I couldn't even exercise. I just simply stopped eating as much and I lost over 200 pounds in a couple years.
I'm 205 at the moment and I really only started exercising when I got in the upper-200 range.
>>26413229
Why should it be taxed? It's already heavily subsidized so perhaps cutting subsidies on the corn industry would help.
>>26413229
Isn't it taxed already? At least in my country essential products like water get taxed 0% or 6%, and then shit like pizzas, soda and stuff gets a 23% tax on it. Cigarrettes go up the 50% mark
>>26412964
>>26412992
>>26413016
Fatties on suicide watch
>>26413295
they son't need to kill themselves I'm sure their clogged arteries will them in 5 years anyway
>>26411660
Fellow medfag here; you're kinda right and kinda wrong.
Truth is there are tons and tons of factors that influence basal metabolic rate and fat storage that are beyond our control for the most part:
>gut microbiota
>genetics
>early development and childhood diet
>epigenetic imprinting [search Polish famine children]
>tumors of glands and cortisol disorders - see Cushings syndrome
There are even viruses that can make chickens and humans obese and vastly alter our energy metabolism (altering our genetics).
Food for thought (easy to read with cited studies): http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/magazine/13obesity.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0
Even wikipedia cites that the bottom 10% of BMR people must run *10 km per day* just to BREAK EVEN with the top 10% BMR people.
I stay in good shape only through immense effort, while many of my friends can chug pizza and dew all day without gaining a pound. It's worth it though - a healthy and active lifestyle just makes you feel great, especially mentally.
>>26410641
>10.000 calories a day
I don't understand how is this physically possible
PLANT BASED DIET YOU FAT FUCKS
IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO LOOK AT THE MULTITUDE OF RESEARCH THAT SUGGESTS TO CUT MEAT OUT OF OUR DIETS??? REALLY????
GOD YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS.
ALSO CARBS ARE NOT THE ENEMY
YES YOU CAN GET ADEQUATE PROTEIN WITHOUT ANIMAL PRODUCTS
AND YES ALL EGGS DO IS FEED YOU CHOLESTEROL THEY HAVE LITTLE TO NO NUTRITIONAL BENEFITS
FUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>26413371
Fuck off vegan
Go take your multivitamins
>be 19, 139 lbs
>coke addict
>rehab, weight increases to 181
>2 years later
>starts eating only once a day at dinner
>take xenical
>63% progress to get back to previous weight after 4 months
>>26413371
Ingesting cholesterol doesn't cause high cholesterol you tard fucker. We produce that by ingesting fat.
I weigh 266 pounds, I'm making an effort to lose weight. What exercises should I do in tandem with my improved diet? I tried jogging but my ankles couldn't handle it.
>>26413460
Cycling is always good, as is boxing.
>>26413370
>I don't understand how is this physically possible
Watch this bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJNi7mxgMx0
>>26413415
I don't take any brah except b12
>>26413421
no but ingesting cholesterol has been linked to heart disease and several cancers
>>26413481
not as closely correlated to saturated fats and CVD
dietary cholesterol usually only has links to affecting 1 out of 3 people negatively and if that is if its consumed in serious excess
>>26413481
lolno you malnurished hippy
http://www.aicr.org/cancer-research-update/2015/02_18/cru_the-cancer-cholesterol-connection.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
>Research has not shown a link between dietary cholesterol and cancer risk. Yet while dietary cholesterol may not have a direct effect on cancer risk, a diet high in cholesterol often includes high amounts of foods that could affect cancer risk.
>>26413460
Get a bycicle and go with it, if possible try swimming. Swimming is god tier, it's a full body workout, doesn't fuck up your joints, will enlarge your chest, and you get that super aesthetic ottermode if you stick with it
>>26413473
>>26413550
Thanks guys. I have an exercise bike but it's super uncomfortable to sit on for a while, but I suppose the whole point of this isn't to be comfortable, it's to get through it no matter what. Swimming actually sounds like a good idea, I used to enjoy that when I was younger, and there is a local public pool.
>>26413546
>>26413541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ&list=PLTkcLg3Kt_Ko8n-k22pVY9SlPNxqAFmQH
watch the whole thing you clueless fucking fags
>>26413580
Get a real bike and explore the area.
Used to randomly cycle around and be amazed at how little I knew my village.
>>26413609
Nobody's denying that a vegan diet can't be healthy you absolute dumbfuck. Just don't spread your false claims about things you don't understand. Maybe some lean chicken with peanut sauce would give you enough protein to realize this.
>>26413609
how about you post some peer reviewed papers instead of a fucking 1 hour youtube video of some guy who wants to push his shitty book?
>>26413780
All he'd be able to find is that processed meats do have the capacity to cause cancer and that meats in general could cause cancer. He'd then conflate this to smoking cigarettes or some stupid nonsense when eating a hot dog a day for your entire life would barely even raise your risk of colon cancer.
>>26412945
How much do you weigh and whats your height
And how long have you been on a 1k calorie diet.
>>26412945
I can practically guarantee that you're counting calories wrong. Obese people are notoriously bad about vastly underestimating how much they eat. You can google studies about it, or go on youtube and watch a couple episodes of a show called Secret Eaters.
You have to weigh or measure everything out and look up how many calories everything has until you get good at calculating calories. If you're obese, you probably can't trust your ability to do that right.
>>26414076
I used to be really bad about this.
>Have waffles for breakfast with a glass of orange juice
>Waffles have 140 calories, only count the waffles
>Don't think to count syrup or orange juice, or underestimate calories
>Do crap like this consistently
>400+calories uncounted across the day
>Not losing weight at a "400 calorie deficit"
>>26414163
I overestimate calories to be safe.
For example, when I order a half/half four cheese/tuna pizza, I count the calories for a whole four cheese pizza instead.
Why is the 1000 calories thing so hard for you people to comprehend?
Im a skeleton man.
I eat one large popcorn chicken meal a day, i feel completely full, and i have been doing this for years.
800 calories total.
>>26414163
If you're bad at it don't eat calorie filled condiments and instead have things like oatmeal with water and a drink of your choice. You only have to worry about two things to count. Making a sandwich? Bread, meat and cheese with low/no calorie condiments such as lettuce, mustard etc. Minimizing the amount of things you have to count calories from makes it easier so instead of being off by 400 you may be off by less than 50.
>>26414249
This, try to replace mayo with mustard where it's possible. It goes with more than you realize and mayo is basically fatty mustard anyway.
>>26414249
I fixed it by being much more aware of snacking habits. If I have 10 chips and 8 is a serving size at 140 I had to train myself to be aware that I ate 175 calories and not 140.
>>26414248
Even if you're really low maintenance, I doubt 1000 kcal a day covers your entire required amount.
Also for the love of god, add veggies or something to go with popcorn chicken, you're likely missing a shitload of necessary nutrients
>>26414276
To be fair, snack servings are bs most of the time.
A snack serving of nuts is so small you might as well not eat them at all.
>>26414248
I seriously hope you're taking multivitamins or something. If I ate nothing but processed chicken I'd probably be depressed.
>>26414276
>>26414301
Popcorn is a healthy snack that feels filling due to how airy it is. Just don't overdo it on butter and try perhaps a flavoring powder.
>>26414318
I've never actually had buttered popcorn.
Seems to a purely American thing, here you only get salted burned hard kernels and non-salted burned hard kernels.
We don't have very good popcorn here.
>>26414350
You can make it in a pan or dutch oven with some oil/butter and kernels over the stove. Add salt for flavoring.
>>26414290
>>26414306
Ill occasionally replace it with a steak or something.
Used to take vitamins when i was younger but i just got over it, also i exercise regularly. walk 40 mins everyday to kfc/supermarket to get said meat and i lift weights.
Until i see evidence that says otherwise everything in this thread is a meme and everyone who has being trying for years is still fat.
I probably wouldn't advise going with my exact diet. But fuck, do you really need bread between your meat? do you really fucking need sauce and whatever extra bullshit you put on there?.
Got me on the depression though, really doubt food is the reason.
>>26414376
This is the first I've heard of dutch ovens and I'm fucking dutch.
>captcha: select all popcorn
fuck off nsa
Hello everyone.
I have:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimoto's_thyroiditis
I lost weight pre-treatment by eating at a slight deficit. 260 to 142 @ 5'10 Now I've also eliminated that excuse for the quality of the thread. See ya.
I didn't even work out. Just stopped shoveling shit in my mouth. Go to MFP and count your calories, you ARE overeating, no exceptions.
>>26414414
Its an English name for a cast iron pot. Braadpan for dutch. Great inventions because you can do all sorts of cooking with them.
>Ate too many calories for the third day in a row
Feels bad, man.
>>26413361
where was he wrong then? lol
It helps not to be an alcoholic too
I've literally gone from 185 to 220 lbs over the last year because after my daily 7-8 slugs of whiskey I get the munchies and start eating everything in reach
>>26414502
Don't feel bad about it, that's counterproductive and not good for your flow. Tomorrow is a new day!
>>26414516
Alcoholic is extremely calorie rich by itself too.
>>26412454
How much fucking butter and sugar are you using?
>>26414516
I drink a handle of vodka every 5-7 days and I can keep myself around 162 lbs eating two meals a day. I ballooned to 174 lbs though when I was eating fast food all the time. Better to start drinking before your dinner as that kills the munchies.
>>26414547
Yeah, I usually don't get too down about it, but today I ate two thousand calories worth of chocolate and wound up at 2800 or so total.
I've been keeping 1500 and have lost 50 pounds in the last six months so it's not all bad.
>>26414561
For frying I use 10ml of liquid pan butter.
A normal sandwich is around 5g. Butter is just that calorie rich. To illustrate, 5g is literally scraping a bit of butter on it. Most people would use 10.
>>26412454
Use margarine
Use artificial sweeteners
Since when did calories in vs calories out become a meme?
It's the literal truth. Eat less and exercise more to lose weight.
>>26414667
Because
>Things I don't like are memes
>>26410641
Anyone got that picture of a DAO broodmother
>>26414561
And for sugar I use one sugarspoon per 250ml.
That's 1,5 teaspoon I guess?
>>26414645
For sandwiches I do use margarine, it doesn't have a lot less calories. I don't like artificial sweeteners though. I'd rather watch the total caloriecount. You could eat 1500 for breakfast, don't be a pig for the rest of the day and there's no problem.
Total stats for breakfast:
coffee milk/sugar 141
20gr margarine 106
2 eggs 164
10ml frying butter 80
2 slices of bread 248 (it's german black bread)
gingerbread slice 114 (40% less sugar version)
slice of 48+ cheese 150
I've been sticking to a calorie deficit for a while, and generally it's no problem. But sometimes, I'll buy something unhealthy and plan to eat maybe half as lunch or something like that. And then, of course, I eat the whole fucking thing.
Not buying it in the first place is obviously an option but it'd be a nice treat occasionally. How do I learn to stop eating the shit I buy instantly, r9k?
>>26412830
This to be quite honest senpai. It's ok to splurge on shit tier food occasionally, as long as you stick to your count.
>>26414730
Quit your job so you have no money to buy unhealthy shit.
>>26414730
You can't. It's easier to accept that you have low willpower and not buy the thing than it is to buy the thing and convince yourself to not eat it.
If you absolutely must buy it think of every eaten extra calorie in terms of negative miles. If you have 520 calories of candy you ran negative 3.5 miles, that helps me frame it in a way that will make me not want to eat it anyway.
>>26414730
>how do i stop a voluntary action
maybe you'd like to be strapped to a chair and leave your voluntary bodily movements to someone who's more responsible.
>>26414726
And this was dinner
The cheese was overkill, but skipped lunch for it.
Zucchini with pesto and green pepper and cheese.
>>26414566
Whiskey and vodka are decent in terms of alcohol content vs. calories. When I used to drink a lot of beer, I gained 40 pounds in 6 months. Now I drink mostly wine and I've only got 10 more pounds to lose.
>>26414945
As total this is around 400kcal.
Will have a pear as a snack later which is around 100. Today I pretty much perfectly kept to my goal of 1680kcal and I'm full. Calorie counting makes losing weight very easy.
>>26415080
Yeah but I bet your pussy smells terrible.
>>26414796
But why not? I've improved mentally in so many other ways, why would willpower be something I can't work on?
>>26415148
If you don't do it now, there will come a point where you are forced to. You don't want that to happen. It's like smokers quitting when they already have cancer. Food is an energy source, switch your way of thinking. Find other stimuli maybe.
Describe your day. Where do you go, what do you buy, when do you eat, what are your hobbies?
How many calories should someone who lays in bed all day long
>>26415223
Depends on your weight etc.
Download my fitness pal and it'll calculate.
>>26411723
C'MON!
-le funny and original-
>>26415187
Honestly, losing the weight isn't really a problem. I rarely snack but what bothers me is that when i do (at most about four times a month) I can't stick to what I said I'd do.
Like I said, just not buying it is an option, but in the spirit of self-improvement I'd like to teach myself the ability to buy it and not eat the whole thing.
I guess it doesn't help that I do nothing except sit at the computer outside of work but at least it doesn't cause me to overeat.
>>26411660
>>26411805
Tumblr shill
When can people tell that these threads are not serious? Christ.
>>26414579
>I ate two thousand calories worth of chocolate
god damn! s.mh
>>26415386
You basically snack once a week then?
That hardly sounds problematic unless you're doing an entire BBQ for yourself.
If you're so fat that you can't see your feet when standing straight up.
You are a fat piece of shit and waste of space
>>26415457
No, I guess it's not. When I do snack i usually go for 1800-1900 calories which is still 400 calories under my daily expenditure.
It doesn't affect me that much but I really want to be able to eat the amount I said I would and no more.
>>26411805
>Your body will literally go into a "low energy mode"
Genes aren't real, faggot.
>>26415540
More of a test in willpower then?
Maybe make up some rules for it. Try to eat half, if you eat more you punish yourself with something. Like you have to go run a mile.
>>26415573
btfo'd u faget
>>26415578
Yeah, I'll give it a try. Thanks for the non-hostile conversation.
>>26415612
No problem man, it took me a looooooong time to get to the point where I actively started working on losing weight. Shit's hard but very rewarding.
>>26415572
To be fair, the low energy mode is a thing, however you will need to be a sharp calorie deficit for a long while for it, and it doesn't affect weight loss by a significant margin in the long run.
Basically if you have a 2500 kcal maintenance, low energy mode will maybe reduce your intake to 2200 kcal or something
They have done an experiment with that once, the metabolism of the guinea pigs reduced by 40% at the end stage. At that point they were like 2% BF and were starting to lose a lot of muscle mass though
>>26415612
Just cut out the bullshit food. Why keep that shit around to be tempted? Are you some kind of masochist? You'd be surprised who quickly you loose the taste for junk.
>>26415657
>2% bf
shit dude
FATTIES BEING BTFO IN THIS VERY THREAD, DON'T MISS IT, LUKING ANONS
>>26415386
Everytime you buy the snack watch one of those "My Life at 600 Lbs" documentaries and remember that eating a lot of that will get you there in time
>>26412179
the point is that losing weight is losing weight
it's losing mass
that doesn't mean it turns you into a greek god
/fit/ newfags can't comprehend this
I eat 800 kcal a day. Often less. AMA
>>26414248
>I eat one large popcorn chicken meal a day, i feel completely full, and i have been doing this for years.
Are you like some Forest Gump level retard or something?
>>26415721
>fatties moving goalposts
Your point is that you were unable to lose to have lower numbers on a weighting scale with the basic "calories in calories out" motto. You were completely BTFO
Of course you won't ge aesthetic af if you only drop weight without exercise, but that goes without saying
>>26415767
These people aren't delusional.
They're avoidant. Obese people know exactly what the problem is, it's just hard to deal with that stuff so it's easier to shift the blame.
>>26415767
>Your point is that you were unable to lose to have lower numbers on a weighting scale with the basic "calories in calories out" motto.
I didn't say anything like that, tardo. You need to learn to read. The post doesn't say anything about not being able to lose weight.
>>26415721
How about you just lose FAT, not just overall weight?
>>26415808
Fatties are junkies. And like any other addict they will lie, cheat and steal to keep their habit going. They're not to be trusted.
i dont see starving fat people in africa op
Why do people care so much about how others eat and how their bodies look? Get over it.
>>26415851
Yes, but it has to be treated like an addiction too.
Shunning them will only make it worse, positive reinforcement is good. The problem with food is you can't go without it so the danger of relapse is very high. Change needs to come from within and treating them like outcasts isn't going to do them any good.
t. therapist
>>26415829
The OP made a very dank greetext about calories in vs calories out followed by a documentary of a 600 lbs whale that routinely stuffs his face witht he most caloric food on this side of the universe. It's pretty clear the implication here is that OP believes you can't drop weight just by counting calories because muh genes, which is wrong.
>>26415875
You're an eyesore to look at, you influence younger generations to be slobs with your fat acceptance, and my tax dollars are spent in masse to give you fatties surgeries, gastric bands and XXL coffins because you can't stop shoveling food in your face when they could be used for people who actually need it or for scientific advancement
>>26410641
Looks like someone found a new way to bait.
>>26415882
Reality is it doesn't mater what anyone does.
Odds an obese person return to a normal weight:
Women: 1 in 124
Men: 1 in 210 .
>>26415882
>t. therapist
lol, we've got a "therapist" talking here. Obvs the solution is to charge fat asses $100hr to talk about their feelings, and then pump them full of psychotropic drugs right?
>>26415935
How is this counted?
Is it following the BMI rules which are totally wrong?
>>26415962
>drugs
Cognitieve behavioral therapy actually, drugs are for the US and other third world countries.
>>26415991
>Is it following the BMI rules which are totally wrong?
Unless you're a bodybuilder....BMI is pretty accurate. Fatties feel the need to try and discredit it because rhetoric is easier than exercise.
>>26413099
Checked. I work with a guy who was 325 lbs and he was chugging sodas every time I saw him (he says he was drinking a gallon daily). He cut those out a few months ago and has already dropped a large amount of weight, he's under 300 now and didn't even excercise.
>>26415991
>Cognitieve behavioral therapy
bwhahah....keep taking these fat retard's $ I guess. But don't pretend you're actually doing anything.
I see why you don't believe in BMI.
s.mh
>>26411505
>1000 is already below starvation point. Not only a are you forcing yourself to burn out, but you're also damaging your body.
lol fag
>>26415991
what website did you get your therapy license and training from?
>>It's just calories in vs calories out bro
There's a Japanese woman on youtube with videos eating 10k+ calories, and she's skinny as fuck
She doesn't digest food like a normal person though, but still.
>>26416063
>I see why you don't believe in BMI.
EXACTLY. BMI means results are quantifiable and tangible. That's bad news for a quack's bottom line.
>>26415910
Fat people cost the government less in the long run so that logic is shit.
>>26416036
It is accurate until a certain point. Saying 81kg is too heavy for a 1.80m long person without knowing anything else about their bopdy is ignorant.
>>26416063
Sure, all that research is full of shit. It's far better to be mean to people and send them into their downward spiral even more.
>>26416080
>>26416087
You guys are ironic scientologists right? Please tell me you're not serious about this.
>>26416110
>You guys are ironic scientologists right? Please tell me you're not serious about this.
Some guy discovered that he could troll fitfags with these threads a couple days back.
Better get used to them.
>>26416087
yeah. Fucking therapists. He's profiting off counseling incorrigibles through a process where they have a <1% chance of success. Better lay it on extra thick I guess.
>>26416082
Are you sure she doesn't just stick a finger down her throat when she turns off the camera?
>>26416110
>You guys are ironic scientologists right?
Yeah just because we don't believe in your meme based pseudo-science, we're Scientologists.
Keep selling false hope "doc".
Your patients would be better off w/ a drill Sargent.
>>26416110
I just find it pathetic that everyone with a personal problem immediately runs to therapy, when most therapist have a glorified online degree with information that could be easily found online. Therapy is stupid expensive too.
>>26416164
Nah, she was on a Japanese tv show and they ran a bunch of tests. Her stomach just gets bigger and bigger and starts filling up the gaps in her body
Was quite interesting
>>26416148
>where they have a <1% chance of success.
if you're a man: <.5%
but hurr dee durr....you're all Scientologists and BMI isn't real.
>>26416175
CBT is not pseudescience, it's more like insight giving and confronting people with their behavior. If anything it's the opposite of pseudoscience as it wants to do away with unscientific practices. Pretty much the entirey of healthcare uses it, from psychologists to doctors to physical therapists.
I'm able to see why you would think it's quackery though, anything mindbased can be misinterpreted.
A good example is agoraphobia. VR is a massively important research sector for CBT because it allows therapists to literally model the environment clients are scared of and introduce them to it bit by bit, until the point where they're rid of their fears. PTSD is treated the same way.
>>26416276
The entire field of psychology doesn't conform to the scientific method. Sorry. None of it is a science.
>>26416276
>I will assuage your doubts about my pseudo-science by proving it's validity using more pseudo-science
Muh depression. Muh agoraphobia. Muh PTSD. But sweet tautology "doc".
>>26416108
I wish I still had that chart that showed how many millions were spent in America per year on obesity. You'd be surprised
Also fatties dying early and being mostly bed-ridden for a long point of their lives also means they contribute way less in the long run with tax dollars than a regular healthy person so your logic is shit and with fatties we always lose
>>26413371
Fuck off retard. A spicy chicken sandwich is a perfect lunch.
>>26416276
What does Cock and Ball Torture have to do with anything?
>>26415594
>20minutesinpaint.jpg
>>26416357
Except most fatties work. It's only the super fat ones who don't and even they spend shit loads of tax money thanks to food
So once again, you're an idiot. Educate yourself
>>26416082
There are indeed a few cases of people like that japenese woman that have a much harder time extracting the calories from ther food. Lizzie Velasquez for example, is a walking skeleton despite ingesting 8000 kcal a day because of that.
Note that the reverse also exists, people with PCOS for example have a much harder time dropping fat since everything they eat turns into it. However they are a really low percentage and hormonal treatment is available. Most fats are fat because of bad dietary habits
>>26416403
regular fatties still have a lower life expectancy and ultimately cost way more since in a older age they get all sort of problems in their cumbersome frames from joint issues to diabetes treatment etc.
As much as you'd like to believe, you're not doing any favors to anyone by being a fat disease-ridden slob, fatso
>>26416276
So you're going to cure their very real weight problem, by using the same techniques used to treat things like PTSD and agorphobia, two 'disorders' that have no physical manifestation and thus no tangible clear? Sweet.
>If anything it's the opposite of pseudoscience as it wants to do away with unscientific practices.
Well then it's time for you and the rest of your huckster colleagues to close up shop then.
>>26416454
*tangible cure
People who count calories are retarded. Just stop eating wheat, yeast, sugar/carbs. Eat as much as you want and lose weight faster than the idiots counting.
>>26411805
Thanks medfag, god bless you.
>>26413128
>thin arms and wrists
>thick legs, I mean gigantic T-Rex (But still no strength)
>gut, bitch tits, huge ass
Even worse.
>>26416454
Weight is also a symptom, don't forget that it's an addiction. I was giving an example of how widespread the usage is, has nothing to do with being a huckster. Every doctor you have ever spoken to uses behavioral therapy.
>>26416403
The visual pollution alone is reason enough to crack down on fatties tbqh
>>26416494
A ketogenic diet works great for losing weight but unless you make a lifestyle change most people are just gonna go back to their old eating habits and get fat in no time.
>>26413128
It truly is
>tfw developed a hunch from trying to hide my moobs
>didn't even work
>>26411805
>"low energy mode"
man the shit fat fucks in denial come up with
i used to weight 137kg, now 82kg
wanna know the secret?count calories and stop drinking soda faggot
took me abit over a year to lose all that, happy as fuck with my life now and even got a gf, all of you "muh genetix" faggots haven't even tried to lose weight, i would know i used to be in that mindset
>>26416506
>eat less
That will be $100hr. Thank you come again.
And you said CBT. Which is 100% in the realm of psychologists treating meme disorders. Which isn't science.
>>26416494
For most people, simply replacing soda with caffeinated water flavoring, and fastfood burgers with non-sauced chicken sandwiches or non-fat sauced subs would be plenty. You could still have a fatburger a couple times a month, just do 3 or 4 half-hour workouts.
>>26416582
>CBT
Cock and ball torture?
>>26410641
>tfw I'm 200lb
>i'm fat as fuck
>he is THREE of me
>THREE
goddamn son
>>26416494
>Eat as much as you want and lose weight faster than the idiots counting.
Did I really just fucking read that
>>26412945
Are you 3 foot tall, 75lbs?
>>26416610
>>he is THREE of me
Actually at his heaviest he was almost 800 lbs :)
>>26416582
>100
More like 15, fucking scrub nurses do it too.
Unless you're a surgeon the medical world pays like shit. And it surely isn't eat less. For starters you are only eligible for it when you can prove you're not just being a fat fuck because you're a fat fuck. If the GP or other specialists see you're eating because your squirrel got eaten by a lion or something and you process it by stuffing your face, then you're eligible for CBT.
>>26416607
Yes, although that's for another sort of client.
>tfw 225lbs
>can eat 2000 calories and lose weight
Hello, I have lost 159.3 lbs so far out of my intended 175, thus of course making me an EXPERT on this matter.
CICO is king. Eating more energy than you expend causes excess energy to be stored as fat, expending more energy than you absorb/eat causes your body to use/burn the fat stores.
It's not that hard to figure out.
>>26416673
The average male with a fairly active lifestyle burns ~3000 kcal/day so yeah.
>>26416673
devilish^2
>>26416690
The most I do is 20 minutes of alternating walk/run or 1hr walking, 3 days a week. But I haven't for 2 weeks because it's too cold.
HEY SOMEBODY HELP ME
ok im tired of being a short REALLY MANLET fat fuck
i can't even run fast
fuck it.
and sometimes > urine foam
i cut soda since last year, bread, sugar, salt on salads since uhm 2 or 3 years ago
so im eating oats quaquer with fruits.. at dinner
some quaker at breakfast with fruits
and a big salad with meat at lunch , salad only with lemon.
and thats it.. a lot of fruits and oats cereals.
, omega 3 pills
drink about 2 lts of water,
and at week i go for a 1 or 2 hours walk.
a doctor on tv said that if you kill running your knees gonna fucking collapse
as you can see... im not the type of fat fuck that eats a lot .... that cant exist without drinking 2 lt of soda everyday... my problem is that i cant fucking stand working out in front of people
my parents gonna buy a house next month ..
so im thinking about use one of the rooms for "my place" and i have money
and im gonna buy some " gym machines"
now, im between these 2
what is the best ?
im really motivated.. my only problem is that
>>26415100
yes
i lost 35 kilos when I was younger (i regained half of it but that's not the problem)
-count your food calories
go to a dietologist that humiliates you and you pay for it; if you pay, you will follow her instructions
-don't eat cheese
-don't eat bread
-don't drink beer
-don't eat in the night.
-do a sport activity
if you follow those rules, you will lose your weight
>>26411723
C'MON
You have been muted for 2 seconds, because your comment was not original.
>>26416751
Buy a fucking bike or boxing set.
These machines are bullshit.
Also your diet isn't that good, just eat normally and count calories.
>>26411660
>medfag
You guys get one semester of nutrition and think you're an expert.
>>26416751
>im not the type of fat fuck that eats a lot
No such thing
The first key step in weight loss is to stop with the denial and accept the personal blame. If you want to lose weight you need to recognize there is/was a problem with your eating habits, and change them.
>>26411406
what in the FUCK did he inject to make his face look like that?
>>26416690
are you a giant? recommended intake is 2k or less
>>26416879
He's just working with PS1 graphics
>>26416879
Fists, guy's a boxer.
>>26416903
6'2" 18 years old, I burn around 3000 kcal when I take around 11,000 steps in a day (5.5 miles)
>>26410641
blocked in my country, can a robot bro please reupload for me :(((
>>26416962
Use a VPN
>>26411790VEM MONSTRO, VEM MONSTRO, PODE VIR COMIGO MONSTRO
>>26416984
what is thatt :(((
I think I was too optimistic in telling myself I was going to lose 2kg per week, but nonetheless, I'm determined not to fail this time.
who /goingtomakeit/ here
>>26417334
2 per week is inadvisable. Go for 1, and even that's a lot.
>my body can ignore thermodynamics
>Eat a variety of foods in reasonable portion sizes
>Avoid anything blatantly unhealthy like processed meats or anything mostly consisting of fat, sugar, or sodium.
>Lift weights 3-5 times a week
Do that for anywhere from 6-24 months and you'll have a chad body depending on how much work you need to do. Then just continue doing it to keep it.
It's pretty straightforward stuff.
fuck everyone in this thread saying starvation is bad. especially that fucking medfag. i dropped 60 pounds in 3 months by eating only something as big as a pbj sandwich at noon everyday
>tfw ulcertative colitis
>always pooping
>always hungry
>gained about 20lbs in 3 months
>>26417385
I'm pretty fat though (only 170cm tall), so I thought it'd be okay. But you're right, I think 1-1.5kg per week would have probably be a more realistic estimate. I didn't quite realise how many calories were required to burn off a kg at first.
>>26417461
Losing only 20 pounds in 3 months by starving yourself? Was that sandwich pizza sized?
>>26417461
And now you look like a weak skinnyfag. Good going, fagmore
>>26417547
60 pounds, not 20.
>>26412830
>Total under 2000 kcal
>2000 kcal
>kcal
>2000, 000cal
damn you dumb
>>26417461
it took you three months to lose 10 pounds?
>>26417588
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie
Food energy is measured in kcal
>>26417588
You're retarded, aren't you?
>>26411578
>Fucking corporations shoving greasy food down the westerners mouth have so much to answer for.
fuck off with your nanny state bullshit, it's the customer's decision to buy their garbage
t. a fat anon that had cookies and coke for breakfast
>>26417461
This, eating less has made me go from fat-skinny two or three times. I'm on the fatter side now because I had to take steroids for a few months since I'm sick but now that I'm off them I'm shedding pounds just sitting here drinking soda. Try not having so much food around. That is the surefire way for me. If I have 200 bags of candy laying around, I'll end up eating it. If I have like 2 convenience store sized packs of starburst, and don't even eat candy most days, then it's no big deal. If the food isn't around it isn't even that big of a sacrifice. You'll be hungry I guess? I wasn't personally, I ate enough to survive and couldn't afford more, no need to torture myself over it. Don't bring the fat shaming bullshit here, this board is about dodging blame for OTHER shit that ruined your life.
>>26417618
Doesn't mean they're not forcing it on you.
White bread is trash because it's filled with fucking corn sugars, and brown or black bread isn't available everywhere.
>>26410641
>White sister, black niece
