Who here /fuckbernie/? You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%? Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO who worked hard as shit for your money and you made the same amount of money as an accountant? That sound fair to you? Bernie doesn't want to take people out of poverty and into the Middle Class, he wants to make poverty more comfortable and destroy people's chance at success.
>>25894981
>Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO who worked hard as shit
>he wants to implement socialist policies in the context of a capitalist economy.
oop
>wagekucks BTFO
betas4bernie
>>25894981
he's a bit crazy, but it's not like the CEO would in any way suffer by losing 90% of the money above 400k, no human needs that much money if minimum wage people can get by on that.
>>25895083
accurate and true
im in medical school, so, yea, totally FUCK BERNIE
I hope the rat bastard dies painfully
Nope, love me some Sanders.
Cya at the polls senpai.
>>25894981
Has anyone read the wall street journal story on his bullshit? Even if he taxed the rich and 100% it would still not be enough to pay for any of his promises
>people who agree with Bernie's ideas sniff paint thinner
>>25894981
>Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO
I'm not and I never will be, though. Neither will you.
How much did the entire Iraq/Afghanistan clusterfuck cost?
>>25895083
I could care less about Trump pham, I'm a libeterian and I lean left socially, but I'm fiscally conservative.
>>25895102
He's going to destroy any chance at success. The only way to escape wagecuckery without living like a hermit is to be your own boss, but Cuck sanders is going to make it so that you won't be able to.
Why do all white people like to pretend they're rich entrepreneurs or CEOs waiting to happen? It's like you just lick boots of rich people because you think that'll be you or you're associated with them somehow.
Same with poor white trash who vote against their own interests for Plutocratic Republicans because you'll feel like a nigger if you don't. I'm sick of poor white people sucking Limbaugh's cock. Dude is worth $350,000,000 and he's pimping you all the way to the bank by telling you who to be mad at.
OP will never be a CEO or make $400,000 a year. I promise.
>>25895133
>cya at the polls
You can cya when Donald Trump slams him and makes him look like the fucking idiot he is in front of every american
>>25895192
Even if you are moderately educated, making 100k, you are better off with trump STILL over bernie. And anyone making under 40k is honestly a section 8 waiste of space pulling society down.
>>25895226
>And anyone making under 40k is honestly a section 8 waiste of space pulling society down.
Where do you live?
>>25895192
No one is trying to turn this into a race thing you fucking nigger, ofcourse you're happy for a chance at free handouts. White people have more than a basic grasp of how economics work, that's why we dislike Sanders. Our ancestors moved here in the hopes that one day they'd strike it rich, not for handouts.
>>25895244
Contra Costa County
It would be 90% of the money earned after you had already earned 400k. E.g. if you earned 500k you would be taxed at the 90% rate for 100k
Distributism is the correct form of government.
>>25895264
this kills any reason to do specialist medicine, at least in murrica
>>25894981
>Bernie
No way
>implying accountants don't work as hard as CEOs
>implying minimum wageslaves don't too
Being CEO is way easier than working at McDs btw.
Not even joshing you OP. Eat the rich fuck you pay me
>>25895300
Good. Medicine is a pill-pushing scam by Pfizer and Monsanto.
>>25894981
> You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%?
>>25895300
>>25895300
this right here. When I choose my specialty I dont want to get fucked in the ass years later and making as much as a GP for work that is 10 times riskier
>Apple
>Starbucks
>Snapchat
>Microsoft
>Telsa
>Space X
>Uber
>Virtually all of Silicone Valley
None of these would've have happened if America was socialist and none of them can survive if America becomes socialist. Bernie has fooled young people into thinking that the rich are like those old 1900's industrialists with top hats, but the truth is they look like this and they're sucessful because they're innvoative and created something that everyone wanted, not because they ruined the enviorment or because they're corrupt.
the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel
and the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides
and a dark wind blows
the government is corrupt
and we're on so many drugs
with the radio on and the curtains drawn
>>25895114
Maybe the guy who worked his ass off for 8+ years in medical or law school deserves to have a bit more money than the dumb bitch who droped out of highschool and had 3 kids by 3 different niggers by 25. People should be responsible for the decisions they make in life. Stop thinking like a woman.
>>25895226
See that's the attitude they want you to have. You're towing their line to your detriment and most of society. An article just came out that said 62 people own half of the worlds combined wealth. You might think $100,000 a year is a lot but if they keep consolidating everything to the top then they'll look down on you too and call for your culling. You don't think there are people with power on Earth who think make anyone with less than $1,000,000 need to go?
>>25895314
You are wrong. this stems from your parents not being hard on you as a kid for fucking up everything you've ever done and failing. In a greater aspect, the country is going to shit because too many parents are telling their kids "its ok sweetie, at least you tried" whenever they come home with a bad mark or lose their little league game, it is like parents these days are trying to breed beta cucks
>>25894981
>Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO who worked hard as shit for your money and you made the same amount of money as an accountant?
>the libertarian doesn't understand tax brackets
no one was surprised
>>25895192
The media reinforces this fantasy that anyone can be a Rockefeller, a Koch or a Trump so that people will vote to protect that class.
>>25895254
People fall on hard times. My father (black) has a masters and was laid off from a pharmaceutical company. Went from $340,000 a year to food stamps.
No one wants to hire a 53 year old black man. You really need to just stay in your lane.
>>25895353
What if you didn't have any med school debt?
Going into medicine for money is disgusting, anyway. The profit incentive should be removed from all the "noble professions." Teaching, doctoring, research etc. You're supposed to be interested in caring for patients, not becoming Scrooge McDuck.
>>25895182
>I lean left socially
You're cancer
>>25895331
You and 50% of people alive would die or be disabled in one way or another in 10 years if it were not for doctors. Cucks like you want people to go back to dieing at the ripe old age of 55 again.
>>people who support Bernie
>NEETS, Niggers, and other minorities
>the super rich who want to pull up the ladder on success and have enough hoarded to survive these tax rates
Looking at you Warren Bloodsucking Buffet.
>people with no understanding of how economics work
>>25895410
>Went from $340,000 a year to food stamps
Fuck off nigger, learn how to save money
>>25895410
That's because your father is a frivolous nigger who doesn't know how to save.
>>25895416
Even if I didnt have any debt I would still want higher pay even tho the work would be a lot harder. Unlike you I am willing to sweat for the cash, so PLEASE stop appropriating your narcissistic lazy lifestyle on other people. Also I dont really have much debt, its bellow 70k.
>>25895363
This. America is built on the drive to become wealthy.
>>25895363
The old men in top hats did nothing wrong tbqh
>>25895489
Read about the history of labor unions.
>>25895390
You honestly believe that those jobs are so hard? Anon, PEOPLE just like you and I are doing those jobs. Normal ass lazy dumb people. They aren't special, just lucky. The job isn't special either. It's dumbed down and made easier so that a person can do it. Just like every job.
>>25895410
I feel bad for your father, he sounds like a pretty cool guy and I respect him for his work. People here dont know that a widespread new and effective drug needs to be made or remade every 15 years for the case of antibiotics to keep people from dieing horribly, the cost being 500 million dollars after 100 different combinations of a drug and widespread clinical testing. It is always about the money until poeple are laying in bed, dieing.
>>25895363
The 1900s industrialists did the same thing. Henry Ford, Rockefeller and those kinds of people made bank off a good idea and the will to make it happen. Innovation happens when you're driven to reach the next socioeconomic stage.
>>25895363
Oh yeah, gaming the system to raise money via insurance and loan scams sure are innovative. I really feel blessed for what the super rich have given me.
Fuck them, I hope they do have their fortunes taken away. Enjoy coming to the realization that you're not one of them, and they don't want you to be one of them. You'll never make that much in your life, so stop acting like you're about to be among them and have to look out for yourself. Help yourself now.
>>25895416
Competition drives innovation. And money drive people to work hard. Do you really think you could convince people to study their ass off for 8+ years so they can cure patients out of the kindness of their hearts?
>>25895505
>went to 8 years of schooling making top marks
>lucky
Kill yourself.
>>25895503
I have and they did nothing wrong cuck
fuck richfags. they're the minority. and i'd like to go to college too.
my first presidential vote ever will go to sanders.
>>25895555
Yeah, actually. That's why people go into medicine. If you just want to make money, there are a lot easier ways than wallowing in blood and effluvia with life and death on your head.
>>25895548
They weren't alway super rich, m8.
>>25895581
>my first presidential vote ever will go to sanders.
Jesus fucking Christ like pottery
>>25895555
Yes. We're not talking about the socialization of every industry, for fucksake. And if college was free then it would be a non-issue. People spend 8+ years to get graduate degrees and make shit money all the time. And even in a nationalized healthcare system it's not like doctors would be lining up in the welfare office.
>>25895548
What're are you talking about you delusional fuck? They didn't scam their way to the top, they just got off their asses and worked. All the companies I just listed came from self made people you r-tard. We all can become like them, some people just don't want to take risks and would rather get a handout though.
>>25895083
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-wilson-donald-trump-single-men
holy shit it's real
>>25895589
>he thinks people become dentists and surgeons for anything but money
Sure, helping people is a nice side bonus, but there's no way they'd be doing it for less than 6 figures.
>>25895533
>Rockefeller
>made bank off a good idea and the will to make it happen
Are you fucking retarded? Rockefeller was one of the most cunning and cold-hearted bastards of the industrial era. Laws actually had to be made so he would stop fucking over the working class and destroying other businesses before they could even get a foot off the ground.
>>25895597
small loan of 1 million
>>25895581
>sanders fanboy falls for the college meme
Like poetry
>>25895563
Top kek, literally every bernie cuck I meet is like the image. Why the hell is it my fault you had kids and got into debt when I worked my ass off and stayed single?
Fucking niggers, they want a single male tax too, the hell?
>>25895633
id be lucky if my dad gave me 100 bucks
completely out of touch
>>25895563
Lucky to be born intelligent and hard working. Lucky to be born with supportive parents living in a good school district. Lucky to have money or scholarships to pay for school. Lucky to network with the right people to get a good job. Lucky to get promoted over peers. Etc etc etc it's just luck in so many ways.
The universe is deterministic anon, it's all luck, stop pretending that anyone deserves anything.
>>25895505
shut the fuck up, it took 6 years of schooling for me to get this far even, and 90% of the people I knew in college or high school couldn't do as well as me on exams or learn as much or be able to apply that knowledge. Im half way through med school now and we are down to 35 students in my year from a number of 79 that started out in year one (some of those not with me are repeating previouse years and some have dropped out of med school altogether). NORMAL people can't do what im going to be doing, and if they just sent normal cucks in willy nilly and lowered standards then you would have an EXPONENTIAL number of deaths almost immediately thereafter in the public. What you are pushing so damned ignorant it pains me to think how you tie your shoes in the mornings you fucking dingus.
People SHOULD have more livable salaries and healthcare SHOULD be made more affordable or subsidized by the gov but doctors and the higher educate SHOULD be compensated for their work 10x better than the regular joe.
>>25895657
Pretty much. You still have to apply yourself a bit though.
>>25895610
If college was free, college would be worthless like your highschool diploma is today. Supply and demand motherfucker.
>>25895660
you don't think 400k is enough? what would you even spend that on?
>>25895083
Jokes on him, I fap to regular porn too
>>25895689
Yes it would be totally worthless to learn how to perform heart surgery or program nanobots or design buildings if college was free.
>Bernie 2016
>'Moar Jobs'
>'Errybody get ta be sucesssful n' shit'
>'We all gonna be drivin' dem dere lambos ebin doe we put zero effort into tryna be suscesfil'
Pick one.
>>25895720
>the average person is capable of this.
Yeah, I don't want to die.
>>25895083
This guy went to /pol/ and reported back on his findings.
>>25895689
>knowledge loses value the more people learn it
are you fucking retarded
you don't think it'd be better if there were 10x as many doctors walking around? if
>>25895660
Med school is unnecessarily difficult as a way to reduce the number of graduates to a number that can be supported by the industry and has no bearing on the actual difficulty of the work.
>>25895660
You must be in the Caribbean
>>25895735
Where would the rich go though? Is there any country more capitalistic than the US?
>>25895689
THIS SO MUCH
but also if they limited the number of students and we had an honest system based solely on academic prowess most pople would not be able to get a government mandated spot at university. Fail a year? Kicked out of school. Didn't score in the top percentile? No spot for you.
The beuaty and fine red mist people keep forgetting about a more privatized system of education is that worse students can go to school at their own risk even though they honestly dont deserve to. the risk is their own, but they get a chance.
>>25895720
>nanobots
What company are you going to be working for you retard? If they're being taxed to near strangulation than either there won't be any or because they can only afford to pay a couple workers it'll be highly competitive. Pretty soon the only way you'll get a job is if you have a doctoral.
You guys have no idea how the tax system works. He wouldn't be taxing all $400k of their income.
>>25895753
I don't, because then there would be 1 employed doctor and 9 unemployed people with medical skills working at Burger King.
>>25894981
>You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%?
he wants to raise them BY 90% not TO 90%
fucking cuckservatives can't even fucking read.
pic fucking related you awful political retards.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/16/1421895/-Hey-WSJ-Bernie-s-Plan-SAVES-the-US-5-081-Trillion-on-Health-Care
>SAVES over 36 TRILLION over a decade
>increases spending in other areas by 18 trillion
>cuckservatives cry noooo muh taxes
why do you fucks even pretend you've read anything moderately politically related? you meme on yourselves.
>>25894981
> Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO who worked hard as shit for your money and you made the same amount of money as an accountant?
I don't know where you got this from. CEOs currently make hundreds of times what their lowest paid employees earn. With as many statistics as there are pointing to an upper class that is pulling away from the middle, increasing tax rates on them makes perfect sense.
>>25894981
Ahem. Only congress can tax, not the president.
>>25895720
Lets say 10k programming jobs exist, college is free so 100k people get a degree in it, that degree will be useless for getting that job. But those jobs wont exist anyway, since you all want to tax the wealthy out of existence. Where the fuck do you think jobs come from?
>>25895083
Ahahah. Trumpfriends feeling the bern now.
>>25895865
>he thinks the wealthy "create jobs"
>he believes in trickle-down economics
When a person gets wealthy, they fuck off and play gold and buy senators to reduce their tax bracket.
>>25895716
400k would be enough if I wasnt taxed at 50%, So i need more too offshoot the difference.
>nice house
http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/TX/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/27026492_zpid/54_rid/1000000-2000000_price/3633-7266_mp/11000-12000_size/39.198205,-85.792237,22.735656,-114.35669_rect/5_zm/
>cars
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-E/model-E63W4S
>Vacations
http://www.virgin-vacations.com/Africa_Vacations/South_Africa_Vacations.aspx
>and nice things in general
http://shop.nordstrom.com/c/mens-suits-sportcoats?origin=leftnav
http://www.gunbroker.com/FN-SCAR/Browse.aspx?Keywords=FN+SCAR
>>25895874
Original origin. Orange. Kike.
>>25895865
Supply and demand still apply. If people with programming degrees aren't getting jobs, people will shift to different fields. Also we need to put more focus on non-university education as well, trades, blue-collar type shit, etc. College is not for everyone, even if it's free.
And the wealthy are nowhere near getting taxed out of existence. There are going to be motivated, driven people no matter what the economy is shaped like.
>>25895755
why you always lying, stop fucking lying.
You don't even know half the shit i've seen, and the cost in life and money to produce proper treatment.
>people that believe voting matters at the national level at all
>people that think what they see in the American news media represents what's really happening in politics
>people that believe a new president will usher in a new era and fix our country
Ha-ha dumb cucks the American experiment died with Kennedy.
>>25894981
you are literally retorted, that 90% tax rate is for every dollar made ABOVE 400k. 400k is taxed normally, then the dollar above that has 70 cents taken out.
>what are taxes
>>25895779
Enclaves and exclaves. think monaco, singapore, macao. places that would love their money and would support their lifestyles.
>>25894981
Fuck off cuck shill. Socialism is a cancer, and social security failing/welfare failing is a prime example. If you really wanted a commie/socialist you'd need everyone to be honest and one their best behavior, but that's impossible because it goes against human nature.
>Muh tac wallstreet!
>implying the richest people in the States don't already have their shit stowed away in case of this
>implying people are actually going to follow the law and contribute properly
Nah, shit's impossible. The middle class are going to be the ones to suffer if he gets presidency, but he won't because he's a meme candidate for the entitled college kids.
Daily reminder thatlibertarianismis the way to go.
>>25895899
>$1000 blazers
>m-muh hard work!
Yeah, nah
>>25895923
>implying trump won't be mean to the spiccies like he promised
>implying bernie won't nationalise shit like he promised
>implying clinton won't do jack shit like she promised
>>25895380
The top 1% of americans make more than the bottom 50%. Bernie wants a wealthy class to incentivize success, but he doesn't want an obscenely wealthy class that obstructs it. Believe it or not, middle ground exists between everyone having the same income and what our system is like right now. Bernie seeks that middle ground, not the hyperbole you just described.
>>25895865
a degree isn't meant to be a piece of paper that buys you a job. holy shit. it's a set of skills passed on from a master to an apprentice
those other 90k people could then go on and get a degree in architecture, medicine, history, literally anything else because it's free. now you have a programming architect/doctor/historian.
>Where the fuck do you think jobs come from?
people trading time-tokens (money) in exchange for other peoples' time. you wouldn't have to go to a corporation to get a programming job done, you'd just hire your friend because now everyone has the skills
>>25895921
>you don't know... the cost in life and money to produce proper treatment.
And the same job could be done as well by any neckbeard basement dweller with an internet connection. It's pretty funny.
>>25895923
what was Svr. Kennedy going to do before he died?
>>25895390
>straight to personal attacks
Hi, everyone, just a friendly reminder that the screechings of belligerentfags are not to be taken seriously.
>>25895959
>Willing to work harder than you for nice things
>I know I'll just undershoot a bitter comment toward him, that big evil meanie
>>25895083
I bet there's already a box full of loli porn on its way to this guy's house.
>>25895935
You really shouldn't be surprised that Trump supporters don't understand the difference between marginal and effective tax rates seeing as they're mostly uneducated lower middle class people.
>>25895992
http://www.usmle.org/pdfs/step-1/2015samples_step1.pdf
Neckbeards wouldn't and couldn't learn all this shit. Physician assistant do all the easy stuff these days, and still there is a huge deficit in doctors.
>>25896044
>absurdity of material possessions and wants pointed out
>time for an ad hominem!
When did /r9k/ become so liberal?
>>25896124
it didn't. there are people paid to force certain candidates here
>>25896124
always has been. i havent seen so many tinfoil hat pol posters before the last few years
>>25895410
Stupid ass nigger, learn to save some money.
>>25896107
An absurdity in material wants would be what those Saudi oil barons do every day. What I want is perfectly reasonable. but I aint mad, in 10 years time I will at least have the car and a trip to south africa. But you will still be eating shit and posting chinese cartoon reaction images with a grandiose sense of moral superiority on the internet.
>>25896124
Not even leftist but Trump is a meme candidate and if you support him you're an idiot.
>>25896124
when the Pepe meme brought in thousands of teenagers
>Voting for a BLM cocksucker
>>25894981
>free programs
>people think its actually free
>>25895649
Opponenets of Bernie often display the propensity to describe the lower class as leeches who deserve to live in poverty.
Even if this was true for most people, the leeches didn't cause our economic problems in 2008. That was mostly the wealthy class on wall street taking bad risks. That's the part of the problem that Bernie wants to focus on.
Having an obscenely wealthy class is inherently dangerous. If the way to eliminate this risk is to redistribute it to the people who definitely deserve to live in poverty, then so be it.
>>25895983
Right, and when you turn everyone into a skilled worker, skilled workers become the new baseline. The reason why skilled workers are paid more than unskilled workers is because there are less of them. If everyone is raised to that level, that level becomes the bottom class.
You saw a similar thing happen when women entered the workforce. It used to be you could support an entire family on a single income salary, now since the workforce doubled, lots of families need dual income sallires to survive. But of course god old berine labed the economists that warned that this might happen as "sacpegoaters" Learn what sacristy is and how it affects an economy. For fucks sake I learned this shit in highschool economics, this is basic shit.
>You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%
Sounds good to me.
>>25896274
export products created with your skilled workers
import shitskins to do the shit work in exchange for letting their children have the chance to join the skilled class
>>25895660
There are people with PhDs in sciences which make below 40k a year.
Stop being so entitled you arrogant cunt, I'm sure there are people vastly smarter then you.
>>25896226
>all the money comes from taxing the rich
free for poor lil me (^:
>>25895993
Break up rackets involving pretty much all the important industries and institutions that existed during his presidency.
He tried to go after severe govt corruption and the CIA killed him.
That's why the CIA refuses to release its files on the Assassination.
Since his death all of the USA's presidents have been more or less the same. The only differences have been stances on fluff social issues, stuff to placate the masses and keep th em occupied.
>>25894981
As I understand it Bernie is going to pay for his utopia by taxing financial transactions, which are mostly free money for rich people.
If you own a lot of capital, at a certain point your money just starts making more money automatically and you don't have to do anything but occasionally decide where it goes, or pay someone to decide for you.
>>25894981
America put Obama in office twice.
3rd time's the charm. No way we'd make it one term with this faggot in office.
He'd fuck the economy so bad spending all that money trying to make everyone the same.
His entire plan banks on 32 trillion dollars just falling into his lap after he fucks with the healthcare system. Like Obama didnt already try and fail.
Democrats and many Republicans are only seeking to mask the symptoms instead of actually curing the illness.
Trump is the cure. Trump will no longer continue to pay the outrageous prices that many corporations force the government to pay for basic needs. And the rest of the country will hopefully follow that example.
>>25896309
No shit thats why trump wants to tariff exporters and build a fucking wall to keep illegals out, not destroy the fucking economy.
>>25895923
If the American experiment were dead, would there be any advantage to assuming that it is?
The thing is, once you're making over $10 million, you've pretty much "made it" and have enough business manoeuvrability. If not, you have the funds to have advisers and legislators give temporary passes for growth opportunities that work in the interests of people.
This "what made america great" aspect of capitalism is filled halfway with shit. No individual can or needs to spend that amount on anything, and businesses that ARE negatively affected/ have huge backlashes from these sorts of taxes has the means to offset them.
A millionaire isn't going to be demotivated because $20 million is taken away from their $40 million. They are still living an amazing life-
>$200k a year and you literally shouldn't have anything to complain about, unless you want to start a business.
Ideally, everyone should keep their money and not have to lose so much, but we live in a world where in the same country/ state, there are people in impossible-to-escape positions, are overworked, under-appreciated, and live miserable lives for either no reason, bad luck, or just one tiny fuck up. Yes, there are irresponsible people, but there isn't a standard we can judge everyone by. Just because shit was easy for you means absolutely fucking nothing.
>>25896390
just because things are hard for you means just as little then
>>25896315
Yes, it happens to be the case that some of the most productive members of society aren't the best paid.
A geneticist who may help cute cancer is fairly well compensated, but doesn't make nearly as much as financial speculators.
Defiscalizing the economy and grounding compensation in productivity is the only way to keep the superrich from owning everything at the expense of income declines for mostly everybody else.
Even trump said he would raise taxes on hedge fund managers
>>25896054
he seems like the old fashioned kind of guy who would prefer looking at hard copies of his loli porn
>>25896433
There's literally more than plenty of shit for everyone to be happy, or at least live by standards where hard work = a return of value
If you don't care for your fellow man, you end up with more fucking problems
>>25896132
You should welcome these people. You should try converting these people. Then they'll go off and force your preferred candidate.
>>25896542
that's not how paid advertisers work
>>25896540
you're defining caring for your fellow man as making sure he has an ipad and gets more money so he can buy more ipads? interesting
People who defend the capitalist economic system fall into two groups.
1. The people who do well in it.
2. The people who have been brainwashed to think they will do well in it, despite doing poorly.
The first group has a logical reason to defend the system and they use their success in it - survivorship bias to argue there is something wrong if you don't succeed in it. This argument doesn't hold water.
The second group is stupid enough to think they have realistic shot at entering into the first group, they think they are exceptional in some way when in reality they are no different then their peers which are all barely making enough to live. This group is equivalent to the people who keep buying lottery tickets thinking they will eventually win - sure occasionally people do but the vast majority do not.
>>25896542
Nigger what? Please think for a second.
>>25896603
Nope. People working 8+ hours a day 6 days a week are being kicked out onto the streets, despite being skilled workers/ labour workers.
I know it's fun to point and say "hahah look at the welfare people" but it's a shitstorm that is far FAR more complicated than a person just being lazy/ incapable of spending money wisely.
I know it's "leddit" but this gives some clear insight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2sbi17/what_do_insanely_poor_people_buy_that_ordinary/cno0g4b
>>25895151
>projecting
I'm currently in medical school
>>25894981
>You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%?
good
more suffering for the normies
more neetbux for me
>>25896680
subsidizing poor financial decisions is not "caring for your fellow man" in any meaningful way
>>25894981
cull thyself, shill
>>25894981
who really needs all that money? He's an old school socialist, no sjws or whatever, trust him.
Trump is just another rich who wants to empower himself. It will just ruin USA as Berlusconi ruined Italy.
>>25894981
>Imagine you're some surgeon or CEO who worked hard as shit for your money
Oh no, fucking boohoo if Mr. Goldstein isn't going to be as rich as he is right now. Oy vey, my heart aches and I can feel all of the tears of the chosen people, it's like another shoah.
Honestly I wasn't even going to vote but I might as well if it makes wagecucks like you cry and try to defend the personal fortune of your masters.
>>25896609
You're forgetting the 3rd group that has a basic understanding of economics, which allows them to realize why socialism as failed every time its been applied, and why its a really fucking bad idea. Many of the problems in modern capitalism are caused by us not living in a purely free market capitalist society, the answer is more freedom, not less.
>>25896724
>how am i going to live on TWO million instead of FIVE million?
>it's like annudah shoah!!
>Politicucks
Lol, you actually think your vote matters? Ever heard of the electoral college?
>>25896747
>Having more capitalism will fix the problems with capitalism.
This meme needs to die and fortunately it is, as quality of life continues to get worse less and less people believe the propaganda spouted by capitalist shills.
Socialism is an inevitability, capitalism is killing itself - social welfare and heavy taxation we saw in the 40s-70s was just a bump in the road.
>>25895138
That story was debunked by the very professor they quoted, Gerald Friedman. Do some damn research in the future.
>>25896709
That is not what I'm saying; I'm saying that there should be a system to address the people that are capable of managing their money/ working/ making wise decisions, but living in poverty.
You would think "kek, as if those people exist"- you're a fucking idiot, this is the large majority. One fucking unexpected hospital bill, and bam, you're dealing with the "just above homeless" cusp of poverty that is inescapable.
>>25894981
>wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%
Do you guys actually read the stuff you post?
>>25896709
The banks made terrible financial decisions which caused the economic collapse in 2008 but they still got bailed out.
>>25896860
there are no such people as you describe
>>25896899
irrelevant to the point at hand. if you want to talk about whether or not banks should have been bailed out in the first place that's another discussion
>>25896916
>there are no such people as you describe
well thats it folks, argument's over
he concedes with a
>no no no you lie
>>25896916
>there are no such people as you describe
Capitalists once again showing their disconnect from reality.
>>25896899
They shouldn't have, they should have crashed and burned. That's how capitalism is supposed to work, it regulates itself, the invisible had bitch claps you in the face when you make bad risky decisions. Government intervention is what led to that bailout, government intervention is the polar opposite of free market capitalism, and is what's wrong with our current system. The answer is less, not more like bernie wants.
>>25896940
>>25896955
show me one such person. all of those in the reddit thread were shit with their money. if you can't produce your unicorn I'm going to go ahead and say it doesn't exist
>>25896916
>there are no such people as you describe
Please tell me you don't actually believe this.
Maybe you've just never met people?
>>25897021
It doesn't matter if you're shit or not with your money if your income is close to the minimum(or at the minimum) wage.
>>25896916
Do you think we should bail out people who make poor decisions?
>>25894981
>CEO who worked hard as shit
This meme will die, the prophecy mandates it.
>>25897052
this. even the shittiest place around here living with a bunch of niggers shooting shit up you have to pay up like 500-600 a month with nothing included make 300-500 a week? your life will be constant misery. if you arent born into at least middle class, you're likely fucked unless you get lucky as shit or somebody likes you
>>25897052
if you're not terrible with your money that will be enough. and it does matter, because we're talking about your (or whoever's claim it was) that people who are good with their money and work hard somehow end up on the street
>>25897056
people are responsible for their own actions
>>25897052
That's why it's the minimum wage. If you want better things in life, strive for more, learn a skill or trade.
If you want minimum wage employees to be worth more, maybe try doing something about the awful socialized school system that produces unskilled workers after 12 fucking years of education.
>>25897089
a good example of a poor financial decision. living someplace you cannot afford to live. it seems you're also terrible with money if you don't even realize that basic error
>>25897136
>That's why it's the minimum wage. If you want better things in life, strive for more, learn a skill or trade.
Yup. It's bait.
>>25895019
I don't know about you, but I like having people called "surgeons" in the workforce, since sometimes, people need things inside their body fixed.
>>25895450
I need that Run the Jewels crewneck
>>25894981
You do realize most of us don't give a shit.
>>25897129
>if you're not terrible with your money that will be enough.
This is factually wrong and we both know it, it's just a halfassed response in attempt to rationalize your position.
>>25897129
The rich are very rarely held responsible for their actions though
>>25897136
its not about the school system
lots of kids just come from shitty households with parents who drink a 40 oz beer for breakfast and the kids just dont give a shit
they show up smelling like cigarettes, weed, way too big hoodies. dont listen or do any work. get in fights. get high on pills at school
there was nothing those teachers could have done to rectify that upbringing
>>25896390
You are really, really dumb.
>>25895337
mfw people dont understand how tax brackets work
>>25897194
with people like >>25897089 who think living in places you can't afford constitutes a sound investment it is very true. most people are like him and have no concept of how to use their money wisely and thus fall into dead and eventually get thrown out on the streets
>>25896441
I was going to do genetics but decided fuck that, because most of them count fruit flies in a damp dark room all day and cure nothing. Only a tiny ammount of geneticists make big bucks and cures.
in my world money doesn't even exist
>>25897238
what are you supposed to do if youre kicked out of mommy and daddys and dont have any friends to rent with?
you're shit out of luck
>>25897198
irrelevant. also, all actions have consequences
>>25897161
bait?
I dont know why you expect to be well off for putting in the bear minimum of effort into to making yourself a marketable employee. Without a skillset there is nothing to set you apart from a random nigger on the street.
>>25895813
'Ending healthcare' vaguely somehow by meme magic saves us 32 trillion.
Sure.
>>25897136
>That's why it's the minimum wage. If you want better things in life, strive for more, learn a skill or trade.
If your schedule is "Spend all your limited budget just on getting to and from work via public transportation", spending extra time and hours to attend/ admit to to offset the payments/ services you'd otherwise be forced to let bankrupt you (Shit like GETTING your fucking paycheck, not "luxuries") and coming home to a rundown shithole that has liabilities out the ass with only 30 minutes to fucking check up on your kids and then got to bed and getting a 5 hour sleep- YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUCKING TIME OR RESOURCES TO JUST "learn a new trade brah"
It's not simply "you don't have the opportunities handed to you"- it's simply "You don't have the time or resources to pursue the opportunities (that won't come around) even IF they showed up"
>>25896747
This guy gets it. But also, people who are successful largely didnt start out that way. By their own doing they achieved. Anyone can achieve with a good combo of work and smarts.
>>25897238
Protip: areas with lower rent also have less jobs and moving to them further disconnects you from the world resulting in even greater economic isolation.
There's simply not a solution within the capitalist model. It's why there is such a high percentage of people living close to poverty in the US. Those who succeed have survivorship bias which blames the victims but when a sizeable chunk of people is living in poverty their arguments hold less and less water.
>>25897303
>Anyone can achieve with a good combo of work and smarts.
DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE
YOU FELL FOR THE FUCKING MEME FRIENDO
>>25897198
They are when they lose their money and the money of their investors. Hedge fund managers have been murdered literally for screw ups.
>>25897303
this guy doesn't get it. he's a fucking moron.
>>25897328
Yea the "work hard" meme is a total ruse to get the plebs to slave away while their corporate managers don't even have to gurantee them benefits haha!
>>25897269
Your right, all actions do have consequences except the same actions have different consequences depending on if your rich or poor.
>>25897267
you don't need friends to get a roommate
>>25897321
>disconnects you from the world
>economic isolation
meaningless words to try and defend not moving to a cheaper location
>>25897328
well im doing fairly good for myself. While I know half of my high school graduating class, the normies and stacys, are eating shit working at coffee shops. I don't quite think you really understand how good it feels to walk into starbucks and pretend not to recognize stacy, who decided to recognize me now.
>>25897388
no two actions can ever be the same. you will find different consequences for the same action everywhere you look
>>25897286
>kids
Why the fuck do you have kids if you work for minimum wage, that's an awful life decision.
Go to a community college, there are pletny of programs to help low income individuals through school. Even if you have to work a 40 hour week and attend classes, it's not impossible. I've worked full time, there's time for school. Classes are offered at all times of the day at community colleges, night classes are a thing.
>>25895555
quads has spoken
you raise a good point though, these people are fuckin retarded. if you make every job pay the same why wouldnt you take the easy way out? how is being a heart surgeon equitable to being a patty flipper in terms of pay?
fuck bernie
>>25897391
>meaningless words to try and defend not moving to a cheaper location
Transportation, time, home liabilities/ neighborhoods, schools/ public services available in the area (even shit like ATM machines making it easy to take out emergency cash from your "savings" if you have one)
It honestly doesn't even take 2 seconds to come up with a plethora of reasons why moving to a farther away/ shittier area will fuck your shit up
I'm not defending luxurious living, but sometimes the smarter choice IS to stay close to the things you depend on and gives you enough time/ extra money that isn't spent on transportation.
>>25897409
That's great for you, but many real hardworking people aren't nearly as lucky. Yeah, I laugh at the people who bought into the "went to college and got a liberal arts degree" bullshit. But once they've fucked up and acknowledged their mistakes, they should at least have the ability to change their circumstances rather than slowly get run into the ground/ have to make SHITTY choices like leaving work to apply for particular benefits and then spend your time doing some illegal activity off the side to add the necessary money to pay for your food for cheaper due to a weird abstract of fucked up systems that actually make it cheaper to pay if you're richer
>>25897570
it's never the smarter choice to stay where you can't afford
>transportation
get a job closer to where you live
>time
meaningless "reason not to move" added to pad the list
>home liabilities
home cost should include "home liabilities" if you buy a cheap house with plumbing problems that will end up costing you more than your old place you're an idiot
>neighborhoods
another meaningless reason added for padding
>schools/public services available in the area
either there are some or there aren't, if not there are always alternatives
>ATM machines
the biggest padding "problem" in your list out of all of them
none of the reasons you listed would prevent someone from moving from a house they can't afford to a place they can
>>25897570
But I'm doing well with my liberal arts degree.
>>25897570
Getting a liberal arts degree is a shitty life decision. Tradeskills offer way more value that a wanker degree. Maybe instead of pushing people into education for the sake of it, we should push prole into developing useful skillsets that make them more valuable to employers. Maybe a highschool class in auto or AC repair would be more useful than american history for the 5th time, or Spanish, or PE.
>>25897482
>that's an awful life decision.
> decision
I know that if you're a virgin this is something easily avoidable, but you're a fucking idiot
Kids aren't planned and even when they are, suddenly losing your job + hospital bills + disasters not covered by insurance isn't predictable.
>"just use your savings"
or
>"should've accounted for those possibilities"
Fuck you most people are barely scraping by and even if they did have savings, multiple situations and prospect on life may end up fucking you over big time. Like losing your job. "No worries, I'll look for a new job and live for the next 6 months off my savings."
Before you know it, 5 months have gone by, and you haven't been able to find a job, so now you're selling things + working a "temporary job" to stretch that "last month" out to maybe another 3.
Then another 6 months pass, and you're still in that fucking "temporary job" unable to find anything else even after you broadened your fucking search criteria (applying to jobs that don't even fit the skills that you have), and being depressed/ only earning enough to get you to work, living off of noodles, while occasionally taking out loans every now and again for when your boss didn't assign you enough shifts.
mmmmmm
>>25897690
The trades would be flooded then nimrod
>>25897696
im not him and im not a virgin, im 18 and have fucked 4 of them so far, pulled out every single time and i didnt fuck a single one up
if you cant pull out you're a fuckin super mongoloid pee drinker
>>25897696
>easily avoidable
Contraceptives are affordable and widely available.
One can also elect to get surgery if they think it is necessary.
Many many people manage to have sex regularly and produce no offspring by taking basic precautions. It's not difficult at all.
>>25897680
>get a job closer to where you live
Kek, where the rent is 10x higher
>time, meaningless "reason not to move" added to pad the list
Transportation, going to and from locations to offset costs of poverty, working multiple part-time jobs, getting no time to be at home/ sleep for 5+ hours
Kek, time means ability to look for new jobs or learn new skills. Of course it's a valuable asset, but it's not attainable for the poor.
>home cost should include "home liabilities" if you buy a cheap house with plumbing problems that will end up costing you more than your old place you're an idiot
But if you have 900, but the rent is 450, and you can find a place for 300 just to live "temporarily", and you don't really have a choice/ that time to test your luck at finding new opportunities, it's a forced hand
>neighborhoods, another meaningless reason added for padding
getting robbed is no biggie, ok
>either there are some or there aren't, if not there are always alternatives
>there are always alternatives
my sides
>the biggest padding "problem" in your list out of all of them
pls stop, they're already in orbit
The fact that you don't know the weight of these points clearly shows that you're completely distanced/ unaware
>>25897696
If your barely scraping by, the last thing you need is a kid you cant afford. Sure if your a dude your options are limited to condoms and not sticking your dick in things due to female privilege. But if your a female, and you have an unwanted child, you deserve that burden
>could avoid sex
>could take one of the many birth control options
>rely on condom
>take morning after pill
>abort baby
>>25897762
>Contraceptives are affordable and widely available
they break/ accidents happen
>One can also elect to get surgery if they think it is necessary.
"Honey, should we skimp on toilet paper and electricity for a few months so I can afford a fancy surgery for our fun sexy times?"
>Many many people manage to have sex regularly and produce no offspring by taking basic precautions. It's not difficult at all.
Accidents fucking happen; heat of the moment or defective birth control or a plethora of other reasons
Hell you can avoid breaking your fucking legs by not jumping around on the roofs of buildings, but if you tripped and fell weird and were unable to walk for a few months, losing your fucking job in the process which demanded this mobility, + the hospital bill, you shouldn't be fucked FOR LIFE.
>>25895505
Lol ok and what job do you have
>>25897741
Use a fucking condom for the love of god before you wreck your life you retard. Do you know how much you can fuck yourself over? You are 18 motherfucker, you don't need to be responsible for some bitch and her kid.
>>25896274
> Sacristy - a room or annex where holy relics are stored.
>>25897164
they won't disappear just because they make so much money that their taxes go up.
It's a Hegelian necessity.
>>25894981
but thats not the plan
Not that anything you're saying is correct, but I think you could stand to put this all in a little perspective
If a billionaire is paying the majority of his wealthy away but still has a lavish excess, how is that actually more just to you than somebody impoverished with virtually no mobility paying something like 10% but still not even scraping by, there's something seriously wrong with that.
There are people who personally have the money to send things into space, and there are many more people who don't even have the money to put themselves through school.
>>25897804
ignoring points, inventing wildly unlikely scenarios and saying "my sides" does nothing to help your point
>>25895192
My dad actually is really rich tho
>>25897952
Scarcity is what I meant.
>>25897901
>muh broken condom
>relying only on condoms
>not also taking the pill
>no getting the morning after pill when it did happen
>not aborting that shit
And the surgery is infinitely cheaper than having a kid. If you're a poorfag that is for some reason an absolutely uncontrollable idiot when it come to sex one of you should have gotten it.
>muh injury
>not getting disability
>not having any kind of coverage
>not suing anyone
You. Fucked. Up.
You are fucked for life because you made a series of extremely poor decisions and continue to make them.
>>25897680
You are out of touch.
Anyone who likes bernie is literally reddit. Don't try and deny it. I know you niggers cross post.
>>25898036
you'd rather someone sit in debt until they're kicked out of their house than fix the problem and not be in debt
>>25898022
kek who the fuck do you sue when you get cancer or some wacky shit like that and the shekelberg general hospital says "that'll be 70 grand, please"
>>25898098
Yeah Obama already assfucked our insurance system, that is something that needs to actually be fixed and not be some socialist/capitalist hybrid that fucks everything over.
>>25898022
>And the surgery is infinitely cheaper than having a kid
How do you people not get that these aren't decisions people get to make
They don't have options, they don't have contingencies, they can't put themselves into positions where opportunities arise/ they are less prone to disaster.
Being poor doesn't mean "lel, i bought this new iphone instead of paying rent"
It means being paralyzed, having to work more to subsidize being poor, getting bad credit, new problems being introduced, random disasters, no ways of escape
You guys are all "Man up and take action"- that's exactly what the poor are unable to do. They cannot take action, even if they are sweating blood and tears to try to get an opportunity to take action.
inb4
>"But I never had any of those problems, and they seem avoidable to me! I have backups/ can make decisions!"
>>25898176
>having a kid
>not extremely easy to avoid
you should shut up now
>>25894981
>You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%?
why would /r9k/ care, there are no rich people here
well, I wouldn't vote for him or Trump anyway
>>25898097
I'm not sure where that was implied in my statement. You've just obviously never had to deal with being poor. So I'll say it again. You're out of touch.
>>25898176
You're right. Some people get fucked, shit happens, but that's the minoroty of the reson why people are poor, not the majority. The majority comes down to poor life decisions and bad planning, and people have to be held responsible for the own life choices, that's fair.
i agree op
pic related, it's me
>>25895949
>>25895779
>>25895735
This is why you expropriate industry. You want to leave? Not with any of "your" property you don't.
>>25898299
Rules change, paradigms shift, in a constantly devolving society certain luxuries of one time (having a home, going to college, working over the summer) are not realities in the new
Shitty decisions are made, yes
But what if suddenly it were illegal to go on 4chan, and they rounded up all the people that have used it.
"Shoulda made better life decisions. They have to deal with the consequences"
Of course, having kids or spending your budget hazardously isn't nearly as fucking random, but past mistakes shouldn't affect future decisions. I think no matter how badly you fuck up, there should be a way to get back, that doesn't involve selling a fucking kidney.
Being poor isn't punishment. It breeds more negativity, uneducated decisions, forced hands, depression, apathy. People should have the choice to get up off their ass and do something to change it- problem is, that choice simply doesn't exist for the majority of people that are poor. Or it's more logically sane to stay on welfare than get a shitty job, have less family time, and end up with LESS to spend.
>>25898258
manage your money properly and you wont be poor
>>25895244
Who's going to mop your floors you cunt? Look up what percentage of people are making sub 40k a year.. now sort it bu household size. You are a moron. Here's your reply.
lel
middle class sheeple thinking they're part of the "hard workin' capitalist elite."
Don't worry, you can just ask your real estate mogel father for a small loan of a million dollars.
>>25898176
>you don't know what it's like
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
I lived in the ghetto for the better part of a decade while I worked and went back to school.
Being poor is about living within your goddamn means. Nothing more.
I didn't own a car, I put up with insufferable roomates, ate cheap food, had to deal with stereos blasting at odd hours, avoided going out after dark so I wouldn't get stabbed, and I worked shitty jobs with awful hours no benefits and required working outside in the middle of winter and risked falling to my death.
I still managed to not have a fucking kid and ruin my shit, because I knew how much it would fuck any semblance of a plan I had.
>>25898449
That's not an option for people who are born into poverty in the US.
I like him best out of all the candidates. He's not going to be able to push through even one of those things but her might just fix one of our existing socialist policies.
>>25895182
It's 'I couldn't care less.'
You silly manchild.
>>25898327
Oh you wana play the cuck game?
Here's some actual Berine supporters, not a bad fedora meme, pictured with the lord of cucks himself.
>>25894981
he is just taxing the rich higer, basically the same idea as in europe, the more you earn, the more tax you pay basically.
>>25894981
>You realize this faggot wants to increase income tax rates on people who make more than 400k to 90%?
like we did in the 50s? He's not asking to do anything except bring back some old fashioned working class focused policies
>>25898508
it's fun making excuses isn't it?
>>25895533
>Neither of them brought a thousanth of the innovations created by Tesla
>Tesla died poor.
>>25898568
Yeah, why don't they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get themselves a small loan of a million dollars from their uncle's firm
>>25898568
It's just a fact. You can't manage money that you don't have. I'm not a liberal/socialist/whatever, but you're horribly unaware of what it's like.
GIVE ME CAPITALISM OR GIVE ME DEATH-HAHAHHH! WOOOOO!
>>25898566
Bernies polices would destroy the working class and create a greater gap between the rich and poor which would eventually lead to an economic collapse, like very other time someone got the bright idea to try socialism.
>>25895372
How has this not been posted?
We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
>>25898432
Life doesn't have a goddamn reload function.
If you make stupid choices, sometimes there is no going back.
If you cut off your fucking hand being an idiot you have to deal with the consequences of that dumb decision until the day you die whether you believe it's fair or not.
Your source isn't valid, nothing on wsg says these statistics you lying piece of shit
What exactly is the right's solution to our economic problem?
all the things that would help end dead circulation are things they are all for:
>cutting ALL business regulation
>cutting their taxes in half
>Seperation of Church and State NOT just being the state opressing the Church (muh Jesus)
>>25898662
>like very other time someone got the bright idea to try socialism.
more socialist countries are actually functioning much better than the USA at current, and have a higher quality of life and higher average income
>>25898662
you do know that in 1956 the top 1% gave 95% of their income in taxes. The 50s was not a corporate minded era.
>>25898662
>Bernies polices would destroy the working class and create a greater gap between the rich and poor
isn't the working class aka middle class already dying out
>>25898779
You do realize they tried to make it illegal to piss standing up right?
>>25898914
We can learn from their mistakes anon :)
The benefits of socialism does not come at the cost of stand pissing.
>>25898914
>they
>it was made by a sole party in a backwater county
don't fall for the /pol/ meme
