I had a bit of an argument or falling out with a transgender friend of mine. She plans to start with the hormones this year and was showing me the paperwork she got from her psychologist. She was all mad at even having to go to a psychologist to begin with, saying "I'm obviously fine." I tried to point out to her that technically she has a diagnosed condition, gender dysphoria. As soon as the words came out of my mouth, she snapped, screaming shit like "Since when does being female give you a mental disorder?" Literally everything that came out of my mouth after that was going to get a smart remark until I dropped her off.
She's not even on hormones yet and already displaying a very chaotic mental state lately. I'm starting to wonder if she'll ever get the go-ahead, at which point I don't know what she'll do.
Anyone else experienced situations like this? Is it generally hard for them to accept the psychiatric diagnosis?
>>25498632
>since when does being female give you a mental disorder
well lets see
id say when you have a penis
>>25498632
... wait...
im confused.... girl? Wait, is it a guy? Are you talking about guy and you are just refering to said guy as a girl?
Fuck this shit why iis shit getting so fucking complicated...
If IT has a penis, its a guy. PERIOD
It IT has a penis, its a guy, BUT, if said guy says he's a girl, THEN its a mental disorder.
Why the fuck are you on /r9k/? You're mentally ill friend is no robot. Go to tumblr or /lgbtbbq/ board you fucking faggot.
>>25498632
You don't have to have gender dysphoria to be transsexual.
A transsexual is someone who's gender identity does not match their birth sex. That's all.
Gender dysphoria is often the motivator for transition but isn't a requirement. Being a transsexual does not constitute a metal disorder by default.
>>25498632
>Since when does being female give you a mental disorder?
top kek trannies hate psychologists
>she
spot the fag
>>25498734
Uhhh, being transsexual is literally gender dysphoria.
>>25498632
Run away. Not even kidding, get the fuck away from that person.
I knew a tranny who was really unstable. Couldn't get the psych approval to move forward, they wanted to put her on medication instead. She wouldn't take it, started taking internet hormones. She went off the deep end, tried to stab one of our female friends just for being female, then tried to kill herself.
These people are broken. Get away.
>>25498734
gender identity is L I T E R A L L Y a farce
>>25498632
I think you and your friend are misunderstanding her diagnosis. Being trans isn't the disorder, gender dysphoria is. The most effective treatment shown by research so far has been gender reassignment.
>>25498798
>trannies are mentally ill
and the sky is blue
>>25498828
THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANS AND GENDER DYSPHORIA?!?!?!?
It's one in the same ! fuck sakes...
>>25498828
>most effective treatment
There's zero proof that gender reassignment helps gender dysphoria even a little bit. It usually makes them worse because it makes them realize how futile it was.
>>25498820
How.
You see yourself as a man, your gender identity is man. You see yourself as a woman, your gender identity is woman. If what you see matches what you were born as, you're normal (cisgender). If not, you're transgender. It's such a simple, obvious concept that I don't get how you people can't wrap your head around it. Just because it's weird to you doesn't mean it's not part of reality.
My guitarist is transgender. It seems to be a huge emotional rollercoaster. One day she'll be super sensitive and get offended, the next she'll joke about it. Just support your friend and don't blame her for acting crazy once in a while.
>>25498876
If you're a man and see yourself as a woman, or vice versa, then you have a mental disorder.
Gender identity doesn't exist, only a chemical imbalance does.
>>25498868
When one has the condition of gender dysphoria, they might choose to identify as another gender or undergo reassignment (becoming trans) as a way to correct the disorder.
Step 1: Have gender dysphoria, Step 2: Transition in some way, Step 3: Be what's known as "trans".
>>25498876
If you see yourself as anything other than your biological sex, you're nothing more than a delusional crazy.
>>25498762
If you're using the DSM-5 definition, then you can be transgendered and not have gender dysphoria. In fact they explicitly stipulate that gender dysphoria comes from the intense stress and other negative psychological effects of not being the gender that you think you should be. So you are not necessarily mentally ill if you are transgender (although you are significantly more at risk).
>>25498632
she is probably just depressed and confused and didn't mean to shout at you, also being trans in general has a lot to do with accepting yourself, that probably put pressure on her and she refused to accept it as a mental disorder.
If you think about it really isn't a nice way to call it but generally that's what it is. Also, being in a depressed or any bad state of mind doesn't affect getting the go-ahead for pills really, but i'm not too sure on that because i self-med.
>>25498632
Hi, trans person who has been through all of this shit before.
>inb4 degenerate mentally ill scum, etc.
Anyways, what she's doing right now is lashing out at others because she's nervous about the future. For people who have waited for much of their lives for a solution to a really intense problem for them, finding out/making steps towards hormones and transitioning is a really big deal. Throw that in with the added task of having to come out, get legal name/gender changed, etc., and things can definitely get chaotic. I'm not trying to justify her actions, but that's just an explanation of what probably happened right there. Even so, though, she still doesn't have a right to be rude to you. If I were you, I'd wait a few days before talking to her gently about what happened.
You're not a bad friend for pointing out she has a medical condition, and you're also not a bad friend for trying to have some conversation about this wither her (obviously).
>>25498930
Gender Dysphoria: the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex.
Transsexual: a person in which the sex-related structures of the brain that define gender identity are exactly opposite the physical sex organs of the body. Put even more simply, a transsexual is a mind that is literally, physically, trapped in a body of the opposite sex
Literally. The. Same.
>>25498903
How can you say gender identity doesn't exist? Do you not see yourself as a man when you look in the mirror? You identify as a gender, you have gender identity.
You don't even understand what a mental disorder is. A mental disorder is any way of thinking or behavior that causes distress or lowers the quality of life for a person.
You would not describe a Christian as having a mental disorder if you were an atheist, even though from your perspective they would be completely and utterly delusional. Your personal beliefs about the world don't define mental disorders. A Christian who goes on a murder spree in the name of God however would however be considered to have a mental disorder because their behavior is actually harmful.
Identifying as the opposite sex is not a harmful behavior in itself, not anymore than identifying as your birth sex. A male wearing dresses and makeup and calling themself a woman is not harmful in the slightest, and for that individual can actually improve their quality of life. However, gender dysphoria (the feeling of intense anguish with your physical birth sex) is a disorder, and is why many transsexuals kill themselves or suffer depression.
>>25498876
I seriously hope you're not unironically using the word "cisgender"
>>25498971
Wrong, a transsexual person is a person who is in the process of changing their sex or are stuck without being either of the defined sexes (e.g. an unpassable trans, non-srs trans etc). A person can be transitioning for many reasons, such as for example people who are born infertile can decide to transition and live as a female, people who are born looking like a female but identify as a male can transition, people can transition to star in shemale pornography, people can transition for the sake of just looking more female, many many reasons are there, gender dysphoria is just one that associates with it most as it is seen that transitioning is treatment for that particular disorder
>>25499031
What you're saying is that it's possible to dismiss what you see despite all evidence to the contrary.
It's like saying you have blond hair but you see yourself as having red hair. You're fat but you see yourself as skinny. You're white but you see yourself as a black man. You're Christian but you see yourself as a Jew.
This is called delusion, my friend.
>/r9k/ trying to talk about mature topics
>>25499071
There is no definition of transsexual which indicates that the person is in any state of physical change from their birth gender.
Gender dysphoria and transsexual are both the same thing by definition.
>>25498632
Trannies are not women
You shouldn't be surprised that crazy people act crazy
Stop calling him she faggot, he's a delusional fucko with a dick.
>>25498632
You should probably get in touch with xis psychologist and tell him about the meltdown. Someone that easily triggered shouldn't go on hormone therapy.
>>25499102
They can't even possibly be the same thing since Gender Dysphoria is a condition and a Transsexual is an individual. A person can suffer from Gender Dysphoria and never get any treatment and live as the gender they were born in, that makes them just normal, doesn't stop them from having the condition, but they are chosing to not get the treatment and therefore are cisgender or whatever they call it nowadays.
>>25499167
Thanks doctor.
>>25499031
A man cutting his dick off to feel like a girl is harmful.
A man asking for the same rights as a woman is harmful.
>>25499108
And this.
>>25499184
A person is transsexual before they ever begin to transition. The medical diagnosis for this person is gender dysphoria. All trannies are diagnosed in order to have a "legitimate" medical reason to receive drugs and surgery.
This separation between "sex" and "gender" comes from Dr. John Money, who made David Reimer and his brother to pretend to fuck each other when they were kids with the aim of convincing David that he was a girl.
Both brothers eventually killed themselves when they grew up.
>>25499080
>mature
>>>/tumblr/
I don't want to play pretend with dudes in dresses, I understand they're fucked in the head but I'm not going to play to their delusions.
>>25499248
No they're not jesus you think trannies in shemale porn suffer of gender dysphoria? You think gay femboys that take hormones in order to stay cute are suffering of gender dysphoria? No, they just order their hormones from whatever place they can find with no prescription or reason, some people are just plain weird like body artists, to them becoming female looking is like having a tatoo or something.
Not every transsexual suffers of gender dysphoria, and only transitoning patients that suffer of Gender dysphoria are transsexuals, that's the only way this tumblr terminology makes sense
>>25499332
All transsexuals have gender dysphoria, they're only officially diagnosed when they try to legally transition. Even crossdressers suffer from a milder form of it. What's hard about this to understand?
Holy shit, John Money, the man who invented all the initial concepts of gender theory and reassignment surgeries, was literally a pedophile and based all of his evidence off of a botched reassignment which led to two bothers killing themselves after he molested them as youths.
>>25499496
The source of knowledge doesn't invalidate knowledge.
You think that horrific shit didn't happen for us to have in depth knowledge of anatomy and organs?
>>25499685
Are you kidding? The source of the knowledge is FLAWED and rooted in the man's own mental illness.
To this day most transgenders, including ones who undergo reassignment, commit suicide. That's the outright proof that it's not a treatment, it's mutilation based on invalid data.
>>25498632
>She was all mad at even having to go to a psychologist to begin with, saying "I'm obviously fine." I tried to point out to her that technically she has a diagnosed condition, gender dysphoria. As soon as the words came out of my mouth, she snapped, screaming shit like "Since when does being female give you a mental disorder?"
this crap is why i viscerally despise trans people
lost friends because of it
any ideology / community that encourages its members to be that hysterical, that verbally aggressive, that irrational is a toxic ideology that deserves no respect
i have a great deal of sympathy for gender dysphoria, i'm fairly certain my current crush is on estrogen, but jesus FUCKING christ calm your tits before someone gets hurt
>>25499759
>i'm fairly certain my current crush is on estrogen
Homo chasing a soon to be mtf?
>>25500031
Bi. Would be kind of awkward if he decides to transition, but I already made the judgment that he's of good character, so it probably wouldn't shake my obsession. :\
anyway not my blog
>>25498632
She's just a silly fool.
I was quite happy to get the diagnosis, because I knew I'd finally be able to get the medicine I needed so much.
Sounds like she (?) either knows she's making a bad decision and getting defensive about it, or has some internalized prejudice/issue that's making her react to the term "disorder."
>>25498876
>"come on robots ITS 2016" The post
Transgenderism is a medical condition. There's science to back that up. HRT is the most effective treatment for the condition, that's why it's used. I don't know why she's offended. I'm trans as well, and it drives me up a wall when it's treated like a choice. Tumblr is so full of it.
Just guve her space, OP. Most trannies be crazy. It's a tough thing that takes its toll on people, amd not everyone can hack the pressure. Hopefully your friend snaps out of it, though.
>>25499071
Literally every reason you have listed there are results from having gender dysphoria.
Either you are mentally ill and cannot think rationally or you are very bad at shit posting. Both wouldn't surprise me.
>>25500549
>There's science to back that up
Yeah I expect science is pretty good at identifying crazy.
>HRT is the most effective treatment for the condition
Any they still kill themselves because they're crazy, post some pre- and post-op suicide rates.
>>25498727
>You're
I'm still 100% with you.
