>you realize you will die one day
I can't picture not existing anymore.
>>25393816
There is a faint hope that this life is just a temporary affliction and we're all heading back to the "Source" eventually...
>I fuggen hope so bruv I can't deal with this shit
>>25393816
Walt Whitman's Song of Myself copypasta helped me cope and accept both the reality and finality of death. We all just return to the dirt and to the earth around us. That's a whole lot better than how my life is going so far.
>tfw time is a flat circle
>when we die we're immediately reborn as ourselves
>everything in your life plays out the exact same way
>the pain and misery is fresh each time
>there is no escape
>2016
>he STILL wants to exist
>>25393816
Imagine a forest without a certain tree or 4chan without a certain post.
That's life without you. There. There is literally nothing else to picture.
>>25393816
>Imagine how it was before you were born
>That's how it will be when you're are born
>There will be no dark room where you are stuck to suffer, you simply won't be at all
There's nothing to worry, there is no pain or suffering after death.
>>25393816
The problem is the dying. I can't wait to not exist anymore. I just don't want to feel my way there.
you just have to know this: when the time will come you will naturally accept your death. Your brain is designed to do it, you shouldn't worry about it and try to live a great and long life.
>>25393816
Who's to say that you'll only be born once, you've already made the feat of existence, why can't you make the feat a second time?
>>25394198
>Your brain is designed to do it
What would the evolutionary purpose of that be though? Not spooking the other members of the tribe? That wouldn't make sense. The more a senile member of it tells others, 'death is okay', the less they avoid it themselves.
I remember saving a screencap that made me feel comfy about death
here it is
>>25394198
>mom's last words were "oh god anon help me I don't want to go please don't let this happen anon"
>agonizing death rattle
>>25394198
>try to live a great and long life
Do you realize where you are?
r9k is the rockbottom
No one that posts here unironically is going to have a great life
And if they have, they are just fucking normies
LOL people here really think that our universe is the ultimate reality. Before not knowing about everything you can't say what happens after death.
>>25394257
>>25394198
To be clear: it is very possible that the brain *accepts* death in old age, but this is at most a by-product of its structure; there is no reason that that acceptance should be evolutionarily selected for.
>>25393816
Oh, it's absolutely horrifying.
That's why I laugh when I hear people say that they "accept their death".
The human mind can do a lot of amazing things. But one thing it is incapable of doing is concieving itself not existing.
The only difference between religious people and non-religious people is that the religious delude themselves to deal with their deaths, while the non-religious ignore it like a child covering his ears and shouting.
They are both scared, stupid creatures, because human beings by nature are scared stupid creatures.
At least the religious can live in peace a little better
>>25394261
I'm sorry anon, that sounds horrible
>>25394342
So going with that logic
Suicide is the bravest thing you can do?
>>25394342
>But one thing it is incapable of doing is concieving itself not existing.
Nonsense. Stop inventing imaginary incapabilities. There is no mystic 'true comprehension of one's non-existence' with which to try to spook other people. When my body croaks, I no longer exist, and that mundane fact comprises 'conceiving non-existence', much as you'd like it to be otherwise.
>>25394406
>'true comprehension of one's non-existence' with which
*with unattainability of which
Well, nothing ever really is destroyed, since physics hitherto the planet's existence posit that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
As for the concept of "soul" and "heaven," I think that's merely human hubris. Death itself is not bad because after a certain point the body wishes to be released. What scares me is the loss of consciousness, which is what death implies for the non-religious.
I'd like to have faith, but I can't. I'm envious of people that truly believe we will have consciousness after death.
>>25393816
It's just like existing but on autopilot and with less shit to do.
>>25394449
>loss of consciousness, which is what death implies for the non-religious
If you believe in 'consciousness', you are religious. Only the brain exists.
>>25394669
No
If only the brain exists, why aren't humans philosophical zombies?
We shouldn't have real experiences then, we should just act based on our environment
You are wrong
normie
I just realized, some people believe that eternity isn't technically forever, just close to it in trying to conceive of it. So when we die, and we stop existing, when eternity is over and everything stops existing, are we double-nonexistent?
>>25394710
>We shouldn't have real experiences then, we should just act based on our environment
...And that's what we do? We are dead puppets whose strings are pulled by nature and nurture. I don't understand where you're going with your 'no true experiences' fallacy.
>>25394710
Only the brain exists, it's chemicals reacting together along with electric impulses.
>implies that the one who knows his shit is a normie
>religious people who believe in consciousness are normies, not the atheists who know their shit, or the smart religifags
>>25394774
No that isn't
That is called acting by reflex
We act based on knowledge
We can analyse experiences
This is the so called "sapience", get it?
>>25394829
Our learning is just machine learning. Input--pattern recognition--prediction--evaluation--choice of action--feedback--the cycle restarts. Free will doesn't exist. Courses of our actions and shapes of our analyses are predetermined.
Think of it like this: your current consciousness is just one of a series of chronologically isolated consciousnesses. You've experienced the past in some other part of the universe, then you've forgotten it, and in the future you'll experience some other time and place, not knowing what happened in this current one. As long as life in some form exists, you will always exist.
>>25394261
medifag here. Death rattle is just secretions in the upper airway. It's unsettling, but don't get too hung up on it if you can. If your drs were competent they'd have prescribed some hyoscine or something for that.
Sorry you went through that anon.
>>25394884
nothing was determined
all the matter on the universe was simply randomly spread
we are fluctuations
believing in destiny is literally the most religious thing ever
>>25394905
>As long as life in some form exists, you will always exist.
This is only true if the definitions of 'you' and 'exist' are abused into uselessness.
>>25393816
I'm rich and young and the cure of aging will be discovered in my lifetime so I'm all set.
>>25394917
What if your body is completely torn apart or destroyed faster than your brain can release some dream inducing drug?
>Baby's first existential crisis
You'll be fine.
Start lurking /sci/ and /lit/ and you'll feel better or worse at times depending on how the threads you find end, and eventually you will either get over it or start with the greeks, give it a year or so.
>not accepting that death is a natural part of life and that all existence is meaningless and it doesn't matter if you live or not
Why worry about it? Once your brain switches off you won't have any sort of consciousness and thus won't be able to experience not being alive. So what does it matter?
>>25393816
You dont need to worry about that. Just accept that you are a pretty simple creature with mental limitations. Humans can only imagine and make assumptions from a basis they have already experienced/seen/ understood. One needs to witness the apple fall to the ground before picturing gravity. Nothingness is another state of existence or rather non-existence.
If you go with the subway, you can not drive with a car at the smame moment, if you are alive, you can not be "nothing" at the same moment.
There is a higher chance that humanity discoveres the abrahamic god than that it understands the opposite of existence.
>>25394016
>tfw there's no proof any of that is true you're an idiot
>>25395051
I just hope we forget everything or else I am going to linger on every mistake I've ever done for my whole life
Nah I've got my hopes up that life-extension treatments will hit that point where you can keep cheating death indefinitely until we get reverse aging technology, a la Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga.
>>25395096
>Implying there is proof that you cease to exist when you die
In any case it would be exactly the same shit that eternal recurrence.
>>25395206
No it wouldn't
Idk if that shit is real but if it is I am utterly fucked up in every single way
>>25395206
You are a dungo.
When I was really young, I couldn't imagine sitting at a desk all day in school, but I did. When I was in school I couldn't imagine working a 9-5 job, but now I do. I figure dying is kind of like that, it just happens one day and it is what it is.
You cant die. Every time you might have died, there was a chance you lived. You continue to exist in the variation of the universe in which you survived.
>tfw youll live forever at increasingly impossible odds
>>25395249
It's the same because you don't get to experience the repetition, so it doesn't matters how many times it has already happened or how many times it will happen, you only "live" this one.
>>25395252
You are a donger.
>>25395282
None of those variations are me. I am shaped by my experiences and all my alternate versions have had different experiences than me.
>>25395206
>implying there is proof that you continue to exist when you die
There's no reason to believe you do, it is illogical too since consciousness occurs thanks to the brain.
>>25395282
And you know this because....?
>>25395343
At times like this I wish I actually studied philosophy instead of just reading posts here and thinking that I got the "general gist of it" and feeling like I have it all figured out.
But anyway, I'll try
>hard problem of consciousness
>define consciousness
>>25393816
I constantly get that thought, at least 20 times a day in moments I am happy and it completely ruins my mood most time, I get a shock in my body and in my brain and think about how depressing life is for hours on end... I constantly am mentally reminded that all I am is a human being and I will most likely never know why I am really here (maybe the answer is simple - maybe it is complex, or maybe it is that life is completely meaningless).. fuck.
>>25395096
its probable with the universe expanding and then collapsing again to another big bang so everything resets
>>25393816
You're probably still young. You still have much to learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDCGL9tRDEc
>Ceasing to exist sucks
>Living forever sucks
>LSD afterlife sucks
>Eternal bliss afterlife sucks
>Eternal recurrence sucks
>Reincarnation sucks
>Floating around as a ghost sucks
Shikata ga nai
Only this life matters, whatever (if anything) happens after it is totally irrelevant and unimportant.
>>25395464
It is very simple, you smug fuck.
>No proof
>No reason to believe it to be so
You can hide behind pseudoscience all you want, it won't change that fact.
>>25393816
Consciousness is forever. It has been scientifically proven that it creates reality, not that reality creates it. So, you might still exist, but I am unsure of what state you'd be in.
>>25395613
Did you even read the wikipedia article on that?
>pseudoscience
Oh I see, you're one of those SCIENCE FUG YEAH kind of guys.
dreamless sleep which is very liberating :^)
>>25395382
Because I spent some time plowing your moms fat pussy
im not spurdo
>>25395604
>Alan Watts
>>What does it feel like to wake up without ever going to sleep?
Based.
>>25395705
spurdo spodded :D
>>25395656
As opposed to what? A retard who thinks he can affirm there is life after death just because?
Bitch please.
>>25395343
Retard.
QM was first developed in the early 1900s.
Consciousness creates the reality that the brain occupies.
See double slit eraser experiment, and related ones.
>>25395705
That sounds like something only spurdo would say
>>25395680
Death is just another prison, only this one doesn't have any walls.
>>25395726
How does this change the fact that there is no proof that you continue to exist upon death? Plus, how the fuck would the resulting operation of an organ dictate the existence for the organ to begin with?
Jesus christ, man.
>>25395723
I don't think we are going to go anywhere with this.
>>25394605
>>25394669
>>25394807
>>25394884
>>25395343
>materialism
>>25395785
That's the big question isn't it?
They're literally working on the answer to it right fucking now.
So just be patient. Materialism has been completely debunked. What matters now is finding out what there is instead.
>>25395828
>>25395834
>I have nothing to add to the argument
>Gonna try to act smug and superior to fool the rest of anons
Literally, retard tier. Sayonara motherfuckers.
>>25395880
Start from the double slit eraser experiment and move on from there.
It's like you've never heard of Planck, Schrodinger, or any of them.
>>25395880
>I just parroted things I heard
>HAHA I WIN
>HERE'S A SCIENCE MAN, BECAUSE SCIENCE FUG YEAH
>>25395938
>>25395927
>We do not know what defines consciousness or there is existence beyond death
>Therefore, we decide that there is existence beyond death
Solid. Is it that hard to simply say ''We don't know yet''. It is obvious you have a horse in this race, you're not being objective.
>After you die you are reborn/go to heave or hell/etc.
>How do you know this?
>Because I can't imagine not existing/I read it in a book/I was taught this/etc.
>That doesn't make any sense. That isn't hard evidence
>...... Lol shut up
Well aware I'm going to die. Not sure when but I'm pretty sure it'll be bowel cancer that puts me in the grave. If any of you robots are in america do me a favor and please try to stay covered. Insurance issues has left me out in the cold for almost four months now and my days are filled with stomach pain, bloody shits and constant anxiety from steroid medication. We can take our health for granted in the robot lifestyle, but just a little neglect can make you wish tfwnogf was your only problem. I love you all, happy new year.
>>25396051
I said from the beginning that we don't know.
The other guy is just a retarded faggot.
>you will die one day
can't wait desu
>>25396064
>After you die you stop existing
>How do you know this?
>Because afterlife is just illogical/I read it in a book/I was taught this/etc.
>That doesn't make any sense. It's incredibly presumptive and biased at best. Let me say that it is not that "we do not know yet". Materialism is necessarily insufficient to explaining consciousness (as obviated by double aspect theory and Levine's explanatory gap). It is from this philosophical stance that the hard problem inevitably arises. This is because full empirical (objective) knowledge of the physical brain cannot give us full knowledge of consciousness and subjectivity, or why consciousness exist at all. Consciousness is simply too problematic for materialism.
>.....lol shut up
>>25395004
it's a matter of time and degrees i guess. time is dilatable in the mind (dreaming). i suppose it's not guaranteed but it's nice to think that your brain can buffer the trauma somewhat.
>>25396090
Thanks anon. I will. I hope you get well soon.
>>25396191
So we don't know yet but you're going to assume its true without any REAL evidence? Do not try to make this into a philosophical problem when there can only be a yes or no answer. Please stop being retarded.
>tfw i dont understand half of the shit i read in this thread
Im going to start reading into stuff like this
I plan on starting with greek philosophers and lurking sci
>>25396460
>>Do not try to make this into a philosophical problem
>Literally lol shut up
I must ask, how much philosophy have you studied exactly? All this statement shows is a lack of understanding of philosophy if you are not even familiar with any other positions aside from materialism.
>>25396460
Also, that doesn't suggest dualism - this is a strawman. It should be noted that it is perfectly possible to have philosophy of science that does not incorporate a materialist or a dualist ontology (information monism, neutral monism or idealism should springs to mind).
>>25396460
>An actual philosophical problem.
>"Do not try to make this into a philosophical problem"
So identity theory (type physicalism) states that consciousness simply is activity in the brain, that they share a 1:1 identity, this is a problem because of multiple realizability. In this day and age we understand that operations of the brain can exist independently of brain-like-materials. Case in point, the computer that does all your thinking for you.
The next best theory is functionalism. That consciousness is a function of the brain that can also be a function of computers, a complex enough arrangement of pipes and water, et cetera. The idea is that much like a 'knife' isn't defined by materials, but by function, a knife can be made not only of steel, but of plastic, wood, glass et cetera. Same with the mind.
As far as that goes functionalism almost guarantees an afterlife, especially if you believe in an infinite cosmos, whether that be infinite in the traditional, three, spatial dimensions. Or infinite in the theorised fourth dimension of time. All that needs to happen for an afterlife to exist is for one's mind to be realised in any of the potential forms it can be realised in.
This is still somewhat problematic, for the same reason recreating yourself atom for atom frustrates our understanding of the mutual compatibility of consciousness and materialism.
Functionalism also seems to imply panpsychism. After all, our minds are just a complex arrangement of matter and energy, which describes almost every system in the universe right down to atoms. So do atoms have minds? Does the earth? Why be chauvinistic, why say only human brains have minds?
> Please stop being retarded.
You first, Simpy McSimpleton.
>>25396574
Honestly I've studied very little philosophy but it does interest me but in this case there is more than likely an objective answer. It is entirely possible that there is some form of life after death but there's no hard science to suggest so therefore I do not and neither should anyone else. Its the same reason sane people do not believe in unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>tfw transcendence is near
>>25396823
Not him but I think it's time to
START
WITH
THE
GREEKS
>>25396751
I'm sorry but philosophy is not science. Any theory or idea that is open to person interpretation and doesn't have repeatable and measurable results just turns into an opinion or pseudoscience. Since consciousness is not fully understood almost anything is possible however you can't make these assumptions without any hard evidence.
>>25397120
>Philosophy is opinions
wew lad
>>25393816
>>25394342
>>25394807
>Implying the biological definition of death changes anything significant
>That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die
If you're suffering in this life it's probably atonement for the sins of a previous one. Of course this means the next one should be a little better.
>>25397195
>Philosophy is a science
>Implying it isn't just rationalizations
r u avin a giggle m8?
>>25397447
>Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument. .
JUST
SCIENCE
MY
SHIT
UP
>>25397524
>No experimentation
>No empirical measurement
Tbh I think you're wrong senpai
>>25397590
>Scientific method has no limitations too stronk
Scientism was a msitake
>>25397677
Perhaps but it works well
Concious beings are always arising in this world.
The feeling of "I-ness" seems to be something natural. Everybody thinks the world is centered around him. When you die, you'll simply disappear, but that's not the end of the road.
There is no afterlife, but the same experience as being born occurs.
This is basically the idea of reincarnation in Buddhism. You have no ego so there is also no soul which could wander from life to life. The idea is that every incarnation feels the same and you're all of them.
>tfw you will live forever
>>25397772
If science is so great then how come it can't solve the is-ought problem?
Checkmate beyatch
Allan Watts cured any fear of death I had left.
>mfw if i had been born 2 or 3 generations later i could have uploaded my brain into a matrix type utopia and lived forever
>mfw this is actually already the case, but this life/reality is a virtual prison for a future-crime that i "committed" where i was sentenced to repeat this life/existence 1000 times
>mfw barely on 2/1000directed by m. night shyamalaman
>>25393816>>25393942
>>25397958
>>25397920
>>25397524
>>25396751
>>25395035
>>25394829
>>you realize you will die one day
>I can't picture not existing anymore.
you are sad because you take yourself seriously, in having faith in your imagination. you think life in terms of contingency and then you refuse the contingency of events.
only the eternal return changes your life since it means that as soon as you accept dukkha over and over as in a samsara, as soon as you stop despising life, as soon as you stop being a nihilist, your existence changes in accessing a different perspective on existence. the eternal return is a surrender, an abdication of your self before your sufferings and joys stemming form your failure to fulfil your wish to live in hedonism, in avidity towards pleasures and aversion towards pains. once you abdicate, you destroy (mundane) hedonism.
existentialism is a nihilism since it despises life so much that he tries to change it.
>>25395282
Then what about old-age? Will I live forever as an old prune, never dying?
>>25397891
Simple. Real niggas do whatever they want.
>>25393816
because in science, there is
-no perfect consensus on anything, not even in pure math [which logic to choose, what field is more important]
-the research is geared towards what scientist like and avoids what scientist dislike [say if you want to do research on perpetual movement, you cannot]
-science is hardly communicable [most people do not care, the few people who care cannot into science, and then the few who remain always fight on what model is right and what model is wrong]
-scientist and general population rely on faith towards other scientists who claim that such or such part of such or such model is ''verified'' in their laboratory
-then scientists say ''if we can claim that it hold a few times in our laboratory, then it hold everywhere, every time]
-there is no consensus on how to rank models/theories
which means that there is no consensus on what is true [in positing that science gives what is true]
-plenty of scientists say that predictions matter, but scientists cannot say why why predictions matter.
[and predictions are always flawed by their proper essence: to stem from an inductive process over initial abstractions[concepts] which are generalized through space and time]
they say that this question is for ''philosophers'' [which they despise, because philosophy does not give ''computers, cars, more pleasures, less pains''.
why do scientists get up in the morning ? nobody knows
why must we finance their activities ? nobody knows
yet scientists do not hesitate to ask for money again and again.
to be more precise, there is nothing beyond the ''striving of the scientist for more and more fine predictions''.
-you ask a scientist why predictions matter, he will not answer you.
-you ask a scientist why finer predictions matter, he will say as you said: because it has better applications than the applications than we have today.
>>25398132
-you ask why having (better) applications than we have today matters, he either does not reply, or replies ''because easing the life of the humans matters''.
-and when you ask why ''easing the life of the humans matters'', there is no answer again.
the conclusion is that:
-science/technology has always been easing in our life, and conflating this explicit purpose with ''giving us knowledge in accessing truths about the objective reality'' and other realist-rationalist fantasies to legitimate the development of this field [pure hedonism having always bad press] have clearly failed.
at best, the rationalist falls back, from his faith in the concept of objectivity, on the faith in the concept of ''inter-subjectivity'' which is roughly the faith in the concept of ''objective criterion to rank personal choices, once that a person wishes to solve some problem''
-even without applications, pure predictions are nothing but a concept and having faith in it shows how much the humanity clings to the abstraction of certainty in a desperate attempt to refuse the contingency of events [and it is a choice, in the first place, to think in such terms of contingency/necessity of life/events].
=> thanks scientists for making humanity better hedonists.
any rationalist doctrine is based on the faith in the imagination [meaning induction, connecting abstractions between them] which would produce concepts, abstractions, fantasies and some of them connect back, according to the rationalist, to the empirical world.
>the question is then what deliriums connect back to the empirical world.
>>25398151
any rationalist doctrine which is not solipsism also refute solipsism [which is a rationalist doctrine, since it stems from the imagination of a self, and a self more alive than something else, after taking the imagination seriously] which also brings problems since there is the question of faith in speeches by ''other humans''.
solipsism is not destroyed by solipsism nor any other rationalist doctrines since the notion of refutation of a rationalist doctrine is itself an abstraction.
the sole question of interest is why do you take your imagination seriously, knowing that, since you have so much faith in induction through space and time, people have been doing it for millenia and still have no clue on how to connect back their speculation/abstraction/delirium/fantasy back to empirical events, nor do they even know why they want to take seriously their speculation.
>>25398073
I don't understand what I am reading
>>25398283
he's just spreading the holy gospel m8
what point is there in living past 80 anyway? at that age you're just a useless sack of shit that can't do anything on their own. the only thing you would have to look forward to are your kids and maybe grandchildren visiting you
It's pretty clear to me that when you die you just stop existing, it's a nothingness like before you were born, but I am holding out hope for some kind of god or maybe an afterlife like in The Leftovers where you get to fuck around in a hotel and shieettt.
I confidently believe there is an afterlife. I just don't think it lasts forever.
>yfw you are reborn as a qt
>we're going to eventually get old
>same attitude as we have now but we'll be old gray man all creaky and health problems and shit
>health will decline and everything will start to hurt, shit'll stop working
>>25398666
>implying I'm not going to kill myself as soon as that starts happening
Literally, fuck getting old.
