/r9k/ seems to think that liking MtFs is gay. Does that mean liking FtMs is straight?
Remember, according to your logic, pic related is a girl.
I don't even know anymore man
I-is that his cock?
>>25318120
That's a clit.
It's correct logic. Just because it's a woman it doesn't mean I find it attractive.
>>25318044
This entire website is full of retards, OP. Leave them alone.
>>25318044
Liking either is gay.
>>25318044
there both gay.
>>25318044
This is also gay. As a man, liking anyone with masculine features is gay. Liking either FtMs or MtFs as a woman also makes you gay.
>>25318044
Yes, it's technically straight.
But it's a weird variation of straight, that is also slightly gay
And it's vice versa with traps.
What is your fucking point.
>>25318044
Liking a woman that looks like a man is gay.
Liking a man that looks like a woman is still gay.
Liking trannies, male or female, is gay.
I hope that clears things up for you.
>>25318207
>>25318390
>>25318399
>>25318415
>cognitive dissonance: the posts
>>25318454
>not liking trannies = cognitive dissonance
>trying to push your agenda this hard
faggot pls go and stay go.
WHY THE FUCK DOES A WOMAN WANT TO BECOME A MAN?!
>Hairy as shit
>the less attracted and valued sex
>boring clothes
>privileges for having a vag
>Can't bald due to lower testosterone
To any ftm or fembots here, wtf is so appealing about being a Man?
>>25318044
Yes it's gay, just a different sort of gay.
It's not like this is some sort of post-apocalyptic hormonal-bomb-disaster dystopia where biological men and women are a thing of the past.
It's kind of like people who claim to be vegetarian but eat nothing but tofu dogs and veggier burgers and vegan bacon.
>>25318472
>lol my logic is not remotely consistent and no one can stop me
>>25318505
>implying attraction is based on logic
no one likes trannies
deal with it faggot
>>25318472
I don't like trannies. I just think it's retarded to go through mental gymnastics to settle on the idea that it's possible for women and men to be attracted to a person and both be gay because of it. What does "gay" even mean in your mind?
>>25318541
>What does "gay" even mean in your mind?
Attraction to someone who resembles or is biologically the same sex as you.
Where is the logical inconsistency?
I'll wait.
>>25318378
>>25318390
>>25318399
>>25318415
>MtFs are gay despite looking female because they have dicks
>FtMs are gay despite having vaginas
?????
>>25318603
>looking female
females don't have dicks.
Also it's not them who's gay (they're just faggots), it's the people attracted to them.
if you like a trap for "her" dick you're gay.
if you try to ignore it and like traps because its wrong and fucked up than you're straight but need a hobby
>>25318588
I think your problem is that you consider a person with any feature that is associated with a particular gender to be of that gender, with no gray area. By your logic, a woman with a big clit should be considered equivalent to a man, no matter how feminine the rest of the person looks. This is in contrast to the idea that we are actually attracted to a gestalt of an attractive figure, not running through some if-then checklist of gender-specific physical features.
>>25318635
If a MtF is a man because they still have a dick, then it follows that a FtM is woman because they still have a vagina. Wanting to fuck a woman isn't gay.
jesus christ op's gif is fucking disgusting
>>25318694
If she's cut off her tits and taking testosterone to produce body hair, it's not straight either.
It's some sort of purgatory limbo-word of closeted meta homosexuality.
You have perfectly fine biological female women with tits and no dicks, but you instead go for the one with no tits or go for the one with a dick.
It really shows your underlying intentions.
Alright that wins the award for being the most disgusting thing I have seen on 4chan ever.
>>25318649
hulkamania approves this wisdom brother!
>>25318716
>>25318755
>penis-in-vagina sex is disgusting
>>25318671
>my problem is that I standards
>we should drop standards and be attracted to the whole
LOL
if a woman resembles a man too much, I'm not going to be attracted to her. If shes trying to resemble a man but still looks feminine, I'm not going to be attracted to her because she's mentally ill. If her clit is too big, same deal.
You can't change peoples perception just because you don't like it.
go back to tumblr you closeted faggot.
trannies are killing themselves because they want straight partners, but only other low-quality deviants are attracted to them. You will never change that.
>>25318649
>>25318764
>if you try to ignore it
You know that you don't have to ignore it right? There are at least dozens of real naked no-penis-attached biological women on the internet, did you know that?
If you get off at the notion that looking at dicks is wrong, then you're closeted. Nothing more and nothing else.
>>25318044
Go to back to /b/, and take your niche porn with you
>>25318716
It looks hot to me.
I think I found a new fetish.
>>25318044
>be me
>like shemales & futa
>am straight
>call you faggots anyway
ur a faggot op
>>25318671
>By your logic, a woman with a big clit should be considered equivalent to a man
Stacy likes a guy who looks alpha. She gets in bed with this alpha to find that he has a micro dick. Its almost inverted.
Is Stacy illogical for suddenly finding this guy unattractive?
Seems like you're having a hard time dealing with reality, friend.
>>25318792
Projecting much? Like I said before, I don't find this stuff attractive, nor am I saying you should. I'm talking about considering attraction to FtM or MtF "gay" without qualification and how that's retarded.
It makes way more sense to say something like "being attracted to a MtF is more towards the gay end of the spectrum than being attracted to a female supermodel" but of course people are too lazy so it comes out as "lol fagit".
>>25318814
but what am i supposed to do with it?,i dont want to suck it, the one thing traps have that women dont is an ass that looks diffrent and i personally find attarctive.
>>25319108
You're confusing attraction with orientation. I'm a straight male, but I don't feel attracted to all straight females.
>>25319167
Attraction to any type of tranny isn't hetero
>>25318953
best fetish desu
>>25319180
>>25318814
and the thing is, i fapped to women for years now, and there is trap porn that is better but 99% of them look like men. it really takes olymic levels of mental gymnastics to say its not gay.
>>25319167
>Projecting
>liking straight people means you're a closeted faggot
You trying very hard to defend the attraction to trannies for someone who is straight.
>spectrum
lol yeah, you're a tumblr fag.
> I'm talking about considering attraction to FtM or MtF "gay" without qualification
Its binary to me. I like women with feminine traits. If she has masculine traits or is mentally ill, I won't be attracted. It works that way for the majority of the population.
Repeating "MUH SPECTRUM" over and over won't make your ideologies a reality.
Liking trannies is gay in every way.
>>25319180
>liking literal man ass
>not gay because of reasons
I don't know what to do with you anon.
>>25319211
Testosterone must make you break out really badly.
>>25319324
the reason is because i like women and dont like men.
but this is... diffrent
>>25319481
how is men bending over different?
>>25319211
Can you imagine the feeling of sliding your cock into tight FtM pussy? The feeling of putting a female in their place with convulsing male orgasms? It's like all the lewdness of a boy but with a vagina so they can even have children, why bother with other women or traps, they're perfect.
The more twinkier and fem they look, the better.
>>25319352
it's basically like going through a second puberty.
>>25319541
look man i showered next to real men for months and not a single sexual thought came to my mind,
because men are hairy and disgusting, im not saying this isnt a little bit gay but male and female anatomy is very similar so there is wiggle room.
>>25319674
That just means you're attracted to a specific type a man. One who isn't hairy and has long hair.
You're still gay nigga.
>>25319614
>tfw no ftm super andro completely smooth Mr. Potato Head 2qtso
The best part of ftm fetish play is when they snap and beg you to help them fulfill their biological purpose.
>>25319727
thats like saying im vegetrian because i eat tomatos on my burger.
>>25319770
Bisexual*
Is that better?
>>25318044
they're both gay, idiot.
>>25319803
alright, lets say a girl is 11 but looks 16, is it pedo to find her attractive?
>>25318485
>have a leg-up on the whole of society
>>25319848
if you're attracted to an 11 year old, then yes. Doesn't really matter if she looks like an old lady. Your perception is subjective and doesn't affect the definition of Pedophile.
Why are you so against being called anything but straight when you're bisexual? Will your friends and family shame you or something?
>>25319893
but I thought all trannies were oppressed
>>25319906
thats fucking retarded mate but fine. i dont care what you call me its just the subject of the thread.
also i dont think there is a large trap population im country so im not going to face that dilema ever.
>>25319987
>thats fucking retarded
why? I've explained it logically, yet you keep trying to jump through hoops and use vague analogies. You've been anything but clear and you seem mostly confused.
You're either
straight: attracted to the opposite gender
gay: attracted to the same gender or
bisexual: attracted to both genders.
You are attracted to women and men, that makes you bisexual.
It doesn't matter what the men and women dress up like or what your standards are. The fact still remains that you're bisexual. You fit the definition and for some reason that bothers you.
But alright, you can think I'm retarded if it helps protect your ego from reality.
>>25318671
>with no gray area.
Things don't get much more black and white than sex. If you have a womb you are a female, if you have testicles you are male. Quit trying to rationalize your faggotry.
>>25318485
>get to have a penis (well not so much FtMs)
>get to fuck people
>seen as strong and capable
>don't suffer from gender dysphoria if you're FtM (the only thing that really matters)
>>25318485
>WHY THE FUCK DOES A WOMAN WANT TO BECOME A MAN?!
Because the whole gender dysphoria thing is a real medical condition and not some made-up shit? There are just as many female-to-male trannies as there are male-to-female. MtFs just get all the media attention because our society is so hung up on feminized men.
>>25319306
>>25320085
>lol ur a faggot
It's like you guys literally cannot conceive of someone understanding something without supporting it.
I'm not gay, I don't like men, I also don't fantasize or fap to trannies. Despite that, I recognize that there is a continuum of appearances, and that one particular physical characteristic doesn't immediately turn all people on or off along strict sexual orientation guidelines. Some people like feminine-looking people in general, and the penis or vagina are just part of the equation and not a make-or-break kind of thing.
It also has nothing to do with an agenda or pushing people to be attracted to trannies.
>in b4 "lol ur a faggot"
>>25320210
Mtf don't look like women though. If you're attracted to them you just like scrawny men.
>>25320106
>get to have a penis
I thought that would be a con, I just hate having balls, there're so vulnerable and get in the way, would think having a vag would be better but u don't know what it's like having boobs so I can't really say that
>>25320210
>keeps focusing on the word faggot so he can ignore the rest of the post
lazy. honestly, you're getting boring. You talked about mental gymnastic earlier - oh the irony
>Some people like
exactly. Some. Not the majority. No one here is talking in absolutes. But having the wrong anatomical part IS a deal breaker for most. Why do you think trannies are so stigmatized? Its because the majority aren't attracted to them.you faggot
>>25320292
*i meant i don't know not u
Both are pretty gay desu.
A nice mtf perhaps less so than OP's pic. Still a bit gay tho.
>>25320071
okay so the thing in OP's gif is a woman and if you are straight then you should find that attractive
also i said "its retarded" not you, dont get offended you faggot
>>25320071
if you like the thing in OPs post, it means you're bisexual. You like feminine and masculine traits.
>>25320230
some do and r9k is a shit board because i was muted
>>25320496
this is meant for this post >>25320427
>>25320496
no mate that thing is a female and according to that post if i like that im straight. i should go tell my mom
>>25318044
Technically its not gay, but considering she intends to physically appear like a men (which she does) doing her is still gay.
>>25318603
MtF appear feminine but are in reality just feminine men, so its gay.
FtM is technically not gay, but every hetero men will tell you that its gay.
>>25320582
>no mate that thing is a female
Not really though it's been pumping itself full of testosterone
>>25320582
>>25320427
If you're attracted to that woman, you'd still be straight. You'd just have odd preferences.
If you're attracted to a man with long hair and fake tits, you're still attracted to a man.
>>25320673
>If you're attracted to that woman, you'd still be straight.
dude are you a robot or some shit? that thing looks like it can play in the nba
>>25320744
its a very very ugly woman, but biologically a woman no less.
I'm pretty sure no straight man would be into her though. Probably just other bisexuals.
>>25318044
One of these is straight to fuck.
Which do you choose?
>>25320085
This statement is correct.
Your identity is not your objective biological sex.
There are only two scientifically documented physical sexes to the species homo sapien, and those are male, or female. And they are not a spectrum. They are clearly defined through procreation. Males are capable of inseminating (impregnation), females are capable of being inseminated (impregnated).
>>25320822
neither
they're both mentally ill and deceivers.
>>25320811
we will agree to disagree, good night man.
>>25320855
theres nothing to disagree with. I'm just stating objective facts. Just because you're not into someones appearance doesn't mean they're not their biological gender.
Nor does it mean you HAVE to be attracted to them just because they have the anatomical part of your preferred gender.
Have fun struggling with your sexuality anon. night.
>>25318044
who gives a shit who thinks what is gay or straight?
who gives a shit if someone is gay or straight?
it literally doesnt matter
dont try to change other peoples's beliefs, its a big waste of time
accept this comment as the enlightenment it is and literally keep doing w/e the fuck you wanna do
>>25320952
>who gives a shit who thinks what is gay or straight?
>who gives a shit if someone is gay or straight?
People who aren't tumblrinas.
>>25320952
"you ought not to try and change someone else's beliefs" is a hypocritical, self-refuting statement, because the purpose of making such a statement is to convince someone else to believe it.
>>25320952
>who gives a shit
trannies and gays because it means they're not "normal." It makes them feel like outcasts. They want to push the idea of a "spectrum" and gender ambiguity so it can stop being a label and so they can fit it with the mentally healthy population.
>>25318454
Reddit: the faggot
Fuck off cuck
>>25320333
How does it feel to be such a faggot?
>>25321145
I expected no less and no more from you.
>>25321048
But again, why do you even give a shit if they're doing that?
If I started a campaign to normalize not washing ballsacks during showers, would it bother you as a ballsack-washer?
>>25321141
>reddit.jpg, the image
>>25321202
not him, but because they're constantly pushing it in our faces. There's always like 5 trannyfaggotrap threads on r9k at any given time.
>>25321184
I figured I'd match your level of discourse. Literally every response I've received has ignored whatever I was saying in favor of
>tranny lover
>fag
>why are you trying to make me gay
and the irony is I don't really give a shit about trannies at all, I just get bothered by idiots like yourself.
>>25321242
So your problem with trannies is that they post on r9k? Do you even realize what a fucking moron you are?
>>25321202
because its late at night and theres nothing to do.
>If I started a campaign to..
if you posted your campaign on this board, I'd probably reply to it, even though it has no impact on my life.
>>25321276
>I figured I'd match your level of discourse
I previously I said
>keeps focusing on the word faggot so he can ignore the rest of the post
which is exactly what you did... again.
You have no proper refutes so you keep ignoring the rest of the content in my posts and keep focusing on the word faggot.
Your position is weak and this is the only course of action you have, FAGGOT.
Liking anyone who has mutilated their body should be condemned
>>25321412
what about women who wear earings?
>>25321383
>we are actually attracted to a gestalt of an attractive figure, not running through some if-then checklist of gender-specific physical features
no coherent response
>Some people like feminine-looking people in general, and the penis or vagina are just part of the equation and not a make-or-break kind of thing
no coherent response
On the other hand, what point(s) did I NOT respond to?
This is a really pathetic angle you're taking senpai.
>>25318649
If you're only attracted to traps for the feminine features then why are you fapping to traps and not normal women? There's plenty of hot naked women available.
People who are specifically attracted to traps are drawn to the penis for some reason even if they try to ignore it, there's a reason they're fapping to a trap and not an actual woman.
>>25318454
>>cognitive dissonance: the posts
not those guys but:
you can see FTMs as women, and still find them unattractive.
>>25318044
Yes, cishets should only date other cishets to avoid contaminating the rest of us
>>25321601
I've heard a lot of boipucci lovers say they specifically think penises are hot, but also like feminine bodies. There's probably also some psychological attraction to the image of a submissive partner since usually those posts are paired with comments about gaping their boipucci, making them lick spilled cum off the floor, etc
>>25321443
You can take earrings out and the holes are barely noticeable & they'll heal themselves.
scooping out your tits or dick on the other hand, and poisoning yourself with hormones, you gotta be 2 nickles short of a dime to do that.
>>25321202
>>25320952
Why do you give a shit that people give a shit?
It's what language is for, we use words to identify things and concepts and people.
If you like dick, don't be surprised or offended that people rightly label you as gay.
>>25321504
>>we are actually attracted to a gestalt of an attractive figure, not running through some if-then checklist of gender-specific physical features
see >>25319108
I told you that an IF-THEN checklist DOES exist for the majority, even if it is a small checklist.
this also implies that your second point is wrong
>the penis or vagina are just part of the equation and not a make-or-break kind of thing
but I also addressed it here >>25320333
just because you don't agree, doesn't make my answers non-existent or incoherent. You argue like a tumblrtard.
"your contradictory opinions do no exist in my world. Your logic does not apply to me"
>>25321732
Why do you give a shit that I give a shit about you guys giving a shit?
>>25321925
why shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
>>25318716
SERIOUSLY JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THIS SENPAI
>>25322036
> WHAT IS THIS SENPAI
Hell.
>>25321768
Your post said nothing of the kind. You gave a hypothetical situation of a girl getting turned off because a guy had a tiny dick. How is that a rebuttal to the idea of people being attracted to an image rather than individual parts? I could easily point out that there are plenty of other guys with micropenises who have relationships with straight women (impossibly, by your logic).
>for most
Are we talking about tranny-lovers here or everyone? I acknowledge that trannies and people who like traps etc are in the minority.
>you argue like a tumblrtard
Who's the one repeatedly dismissing the other via insults that aren't even related to their argument? You don't have some kind of rational high ground, just admit that your whole position comes down to "I hate fags they're gross" and I'll be satisfied.
>>25322072
>How is that a rebuttal to the idea
You made a grand statement with no source or proof. Were you expecting a 50 page essay on why you're wrong? I gave you an example because I assumed you were smart enough to figure out the message. Every time you post, I realize that I keep over-estimating you.
>(impossibly, by your logic)
nothing I've posted speaks in absolutes. It can be assumed that the majority of heterosexual women would not find micro penises attractive. Not that no woman would ever settle for it.
>I acknowledge that trannies and people who like traps etc are in the minority.
Good. Thats what I've stated several times too.
>Who's the one repeatedly dismissing the other via insults
I addressed your points, thats all that matters. Whether I respect you as a person isn't important. You seem to be really hung up on being called names, faggot.
>You don't have some kind of rational high ground
I actually do. This was my original position >>25318588
And I've maintained it this entire thread. You're the one who started talking about spectrums and got distracted by the word "faggot", faggot.
Anyway, this is getting really boring. You can have the last word anon. I've got shit to do before I go to bed. night, you closeted illogical tumblrtard faggot.
>>25320210
Lol ur a faggot
Ultra-original
>>25320844
>rationalizing/moralizing preferences this hard
I wouldn't fuck either, but that's because I'm attracted neither to people with vaginas nor feminized people.
