Why not just start estrogen?
Most users here seem to have a deep rooted jealousy of women which pretty much comes off as closeted gender dysphoria.
>>25282546
Too old, too ugly, too shit
>>25282546
Some bodies don't respond well, OP.
The later you start the more risks taken.
Please don't fuck with hormones unless your doctor prescribes them because of a natural imbalance. They make you stupid and fat/hairy.
>tfw I'd probably be a cute girl too but I enjoy being male too much
>Most users here seem to have a deep rooted jealousy of women which pretty much comes off as closeted gender dysphoria.
Psych 101 fucking shit
>>25282546
It's not closeted, I haven't felt right about my body for about 10 years now. But I'm 6'2" and barrel-chested, a typical lumberjack build. MtF was never an option for me, I was cursed/fucked from the get-go.
>Have low self esteem, lonely, depressed and anxious
>Why not become an ugly deformed trans freak so that everyone hates you even more?
Great idea OP
>Men here hate Western women because they are stupid disgusting whores
>Why don't you try and become one?
What kind of logic is this?
>I actually wish I was a girl.
>too big though.
>Literrally half of my FB friends are genderfluid
>mfw life is getting strange
Thanks for reminding me faglord.
>>25282734
It's a ruse, if you become a hon it makes them look closer to what people call masculine
>>25282546
We aren't jealous of women, we're jealous of good looking people. Become some freakish tranny won't help with that.
its in the food and water. too much estrogen. its making growing males into basically women
I started last year. I'm not really 'transgender', but if they can get me closer to being a qt anime girl, then fuck it, I'll do it.
>>25282546
>jealousy of women
>gender dysphoria
Slit your wrists, tranny.
They make you wait until puberty has kicked your ass, they can reject you, and they make you cross dress an entire year, full time, before they let you have any m2f pills.
>yfw there is always a voice buzzing in the back of every tranny's head reminding them they are living a lie
This is the reason why the majority are so unstable and insane. Have you ever lied to yourself for an extended period of time, about anything important? It drives you mad, your mind is constantly in conflict, it haunts your dreams, it creeps into every waking thought you have. Now imagine that and make it be about your body, your mind, your very identity, lying to yourself about that for years.
>>25282846
That's not true anymore, at least in the US. You no longer have to do the year trial thing.
>>25282546
but my gains
>>25282546
I am not jealous of women I do not want what they have. I simply hate them and do not trust them.
>>25282546
>implying that's estrogen and spiro
>implying you have dysphoria
Stop being retarded.
>>25282546
>closeted gender dysphoria
Had a dream a few nights ago. I was literally hiding in a closet and was trying to dye my hair pink. Had a nametag floating above my head that said "Cute Girl II".
It was depressing.
>>25282546
>Most users here seem to have a deep rooted jealousy of women
Mutilating yourself, wearing dresses, and throwing fits about pronouns doesn't actually address this.
>>25282956
>tfw practicing lucid dreaming for months just so I can be a cute girl in my dreams
I'm hopeless
>>25282857
tru dat
>tfw "Having a penis doesn't make me any less of a woman!!"
>tfw i'm sure they think that every night before they fall asleep in a pool of their own tears
>>25282956
>>25283007
Weird. The one time I looked at myself in the mirror during a lucid dream (they tell you not to) I was a chick I used to know dressed in a military outfit (she was raised on a military complex of some kind).
>>25283007
>lucid dreaming
I tried to practice lucid dreaming when I was around twelve and had a dream diary. One night I was going to sleep a bit early and my father happened to walk by my room. He asked what I was doing going to sleep so early and why did I have a notebook on my nightstand. I briefly explained lucid dreaming and the importance of keeping a dream diary to him, and he said that he'll wake me up in an hour if I am asleep and told I am not allowed to practice such things. He probably thought I was trying to summon infernal demons from the depths of hell and bring the end of humanity prematurely.
Never tried it afterwards.
>>25282715
>>Have low self esteem, lonely, depressed and anxious
>tfw each day that pass I check more items on those lists
>>25282941
Why the fuck are your e pills ovals?
>>25282546
>Most users here seem to have a deep rooted jealousy of women
Yes, because of the shitload of privileges our society awards them, at our expense. That's not a reason to become a woman, that's a reason to want genuine social justice.
>>25283060
I struggle to actually change myself in a dream. Even in the times where I'm dreaming and look in a mirror, the world around me is warped or changed in some way, but I'm always the same. Even just trying to change my appearance slightly doesn't work. It feels like my identity is wired deep into my subconscious or something.
it's probably too late for me to ever bee cute
>anorexic 21 year old substance abuser
I really need to but I can't bring myself to do it
>>25283147
Its only going to get worse. Seriously, if you have the feelings do something about them or you will look back at every year, every month, every fucking second you spent waiting with suicidal regret.
>>25283111
They are bio-identical 17b-estradiol pills
brand name estrace
commonly just called estradiol
they are micronized so you can put them under your tongue and avoid the double organ processsing
my teal pills are the same as any other estrogen
ive never seen whatever the fuck the op picture is using.
the only thing I think it could be is spiro which is the yellow pill i have, just the lighting in the photo makes it look white instead of yellow?
anyways its not estrogen.
spirolactone is an anti-androgen which basically stops the testosterone levels in your blood to female levels without uh chopping off your balls.
>>25282857
>tfw still living as a male and so deep in the lie I don't even feel like my life is real anymore
>>25282546
I've considered going into therapy for a few things that I suspect I have, one of them being gender dysphoria, maybe eventually leading to transitional. I'm not really even sure if I have gender dysphoria or if it's the right word to describe how I feel, though.
I don't even hate women like the average robot anyways.
>>25283268
That's zumenon, literally just estrofem but with red dye instead of blue.
You should know that the dye leaks out when you take it sublingually.
Also
>taking spiro and not cypro
>>25282546
How much do they cost anyways?
>>25283269
I know that feel. What about this one?
>having to actually focus on yourself into the mirror because your reflection doesn't match the image you have in your head and doesn't look like "you"
Even though I have a 3.5 inch penis, the truth is I'm a cisgender heterosexual dominant male. I wish I could change who I am but I can't.
>>25282566
This.
If i wasn't ugly, I would have done it in a heartbeat when I was younger.
>>25283392
I get a pit in my stomach whenever I see my reflection and I spend retarded amounts of time in front of the mirror anyway
>tfw just staring in the mirror and your vision gets blurry and you see the most hostile looking predatory male
transgirl, 10 months on hormones, will answer any questions for you anonspic is not related
>>25282546
I'm too old now. It's too late for me.
>>25283639
Yep
>being disgusted with your reflection and growing to hate yourself even more the more you look at it
>being brought to the brink of tears when you see "your" body type on a girl because you know you'll never look like that
Here are 24 reasons why (traps of /lgbt/)
>>25283677
you straight or gay?
>>25283722
how do i make Aife my gf?
>>25283722
Only one of those doesn't pass.
>>25283723
I'm bi. i like boys and girls pretty equally 50/50. I'd also do stuff with another transperson
I actually envy women and would love to have been born one but the trans path isn't easymode, trannies are their own little brand of subhuman and becoming one would be the only possible way to degrade myself more than I already did. So thanks but no thanks.
>>25283677
is it true traps only date chads?
will you post pics?
>>25283762
Grills like to be degraded though :3
>>25283761
you been with both more than once?
>>25283782
i can't really speak for them cause everyones different and all of that crap but from my personal experience it really depends on how well they pass/how confident they are. If a transgirl/trap passes easily then they can be more picky about who they date. I personally am in this sort of androgynous phase where I can usually pass as both male and female which is a little awkward so being picky isn't really an option for me. However I won't be with someone I can't have a good conversation with otherwise it gets boring pretty fast. As long as you aren't fat, stupid, creepy, or anything like that your chances aren't actually that bad. and honestly even if you're fat you may still have a chance, some people like that stuff. I think a lot of trans people try so hard to fit into a stereotypical gender role in order to blend in more and therefore I sorta think those might be the ones who're probably more likely to date chads. I could be wrong on that though, just avoid basic bitches, whether they're trans or not. Also no i'm not gonna post pics sorry anon
>>25283795
I've been with one girl and one guy (seperately), I'm pretty shy and don't usually approach people so I don't get around much :/
>>25283756
It's Kayla, right?
>>25283722
Ufufu, Sophie and Rawr look good though
>>25283904
bexe is the only one too manish. Not that I wouldn't screw him/her. Just saying it's obvious.
>>25283894
what state are ya in?
>>25283905
>a ten looks good
>good
No wonder you guys are KVs.
>>25283905
>Rawr
Yeah, she looks really good
>>25283960
californiaoriginalcomment
>>25283972
>>25283963
>>25283929
>>25283905
>>25283904
>da catfight is real
>>25283972
She could just get a wig ya know.
>>25283326
cypro is illegal in the us
ive seen 2 endos and they hardly know what they are doing
one got his doctorate from harvard and refused to even give me an anti-androgen
the other endo at least checks my blood
the doctors here in the usa hardly ever have any experience with trans people or even have any training.
my current endo said in the like 2 million population city hes in, he sees about 40 other trans girls other than me.
You go in that waiting room and its just DIABEETUS morbidly obese 600lb fucks and a few old people.
if I was in the UK id probably still be waiting to get any pills and be forced to dress like some fucked up craigslist cocksucker
the estrogen alone nuked my T into girl levels
I travel like 300 miles to see the dr
and all my dr appt ever consists of is a bloodwork check where I get a phonecall a week later saying im dying or not
and he makes me flash him my boobs and then I leave
>>25283344
I think the generic for estradiol is like total drug cost of like $40 and spiro is like $20 or so
estrogen injections are like $120 or something for 50 days
however, hrt stuff is typically covered by insurance as a tier 1 med and is $0-10 copay.
>>25283392
>having to shave entire body to feel normal
>massive depersonalization because the face staring back at you isn't yours but like youre some alien parasite controlling a host body
>>25282546
How about starting nofap and introducing discipline over oneself into one's life,
You can turn it up a notch by adding cold showers only for your hygiene.
What are you, a pussy that is afraid to take control over oneself, and who is afraid of some cold water?
Or do you want to sculpt yourself into the man you always wanted to be.
And do you think your future girlfriend would deserve you in your sorry state, or would you want to give yourself to her in your best state you could achieve?
>>25284284
>having body hair
>>25283756
Try 4 or 5.
>Caddy
>Nycteri
>Kiwi
>Bexe
>Oryx
Elanna, Sophie, Amy victoria and Pookie are the top tier of that chart.
>>25284532
>being picky when a robot
Yeesh.jpeg
>>25284513
every male has body hair you dumb faggot
some of it becomes transparent on mones but yeah every male has dark body hair whos gone through puberty.
>>25284451
>muh nofap
>muh broscience
t. redditor
>>25284849
Not with native American descendants very much. I am 26 and only get a little happy trial.
because it makes your dick stop working. also my gf wouldn't like it.
>>25282546
Wouldn't that stop you from getting erections? How am I gonna have sex then? Anal scares me, too unsafe.
>>25284762
I'm not saying which ones I'd fug anonI'd fug anything right now and I don't even like traps.I'm just saying which ones I wouldn't question if we spoke and they at least sounded feminine.
I would like to have estrogen, but mehh my social situation isn't really up for that kind of shit.
>>25284532
I think Kiwi still passes. Yeah, she's looks ugly, but ugly in a girlish way, not a "man in a dress" way. Passing doesn't mean looking attractive, just looking like a girl.
>>25284932
ohhh that explains your mannish figure
that's good though because it means you still have hope if YOU START TAKING HORMONES RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
>>25282546
because i already take testosterone, being a girl a shit.
>>25284849
I barely even have a happy trail
>>25284923
You're a furry aren't you?
>>25284991
I wish I could, but life is shitty =<
>>25284932
wtf does that even mean
its easy as fuck to hide pills
people think mine are for psychiatric issues
before that I hid them on my desk behind my speaker
nobody fucking knows im on them
nobody has a fucking clue
I came out to my childhood best friend whos grown up with me for 20+ years and he had no fucking clue.
Hes a flaming bisexual homo
His first guess was that I was a straight dom and like his 15th guess was transgender.
Youre not even trying if you arent able to stealth as a guy.
>>25285047
Ehh, I live in the Netherlands so it's not like I could get hormones from some scatchy pharmacy.
Also I have gf so boobs will be visible.
>>25282546
Too MANLY and ugly. Also I know I'd hate myself in 10-20 years down the road if I fucked up my body with hormones and shit. Old trans faggots are disgusting. BP expired.
>>25283722
>elfginger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXMAIL0p5w
How much breast growth do they cause? I assume it wouldn't be much for someone of my age (19), but both my mom and sister are naturally quite busty. (my sister wears a 38C bra iirc)
>>25282546
or how about you fags start taking testosterone instead so you can become the chads you always whine about
>>25285018
Not even close.
burgerburger
>>25285255
Testosterone isn't nearly as effective as estrogen for HRT. It's why almost all FTM just look like girly boys while a lot of MTFs can be quite feminine.
>>25285255
They would prefer to be a girl and suck on chads cock.
>>25284962
Fair point. She'd probably make me look twice if I didn't have the knowledge those were all traps.
The ones I listed you can tell by looking at the faces alone that those aren't women. At least I can.
>>25285261
>fuck anything
>post pic with furry in it
Not sure I believe you.
>>25285284
As an actual tranny you have no idea wtf you are talking about
![8c36900a69a18537ca160fa1f153be4e[1].jpg_2971137.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AWuGeJ8.jpg "8c36900a69a18537ca160fa1f153be4e[1].jpg_2971137.jpg")
>>25285337
Sorry to disappoint anon I'm pretty boring as far as fetishes go. This is about as furry as I really get.
>>25285011
>>25284890
Im talking about your entire body not your stomach genital area.
My arm used to be covered in dark brown/black hair and now its practically invisible and people think my arms are shaved.
>>25285063
a lot of people just order online who live in the 3rd world shit countries. anything in the uk is assbackwards and they make you jump through all these hoops to figure out whether or not you are caitlyn jenner but honestly nobody fucking knows but you
You wouldnt grow boobs for at least half a year and chances are they are just going to be less like boobs and more like puffy nipples.
>>25285241
usually around a cup size or so less than your relatives at max
I've always had klinefelters and im like a B maybe small C
typically you get like puffy nipples then start growing breast tissue and your nipples get bigger and they start to round out and they get all deformed and shit while they grow and near the end of their growth they round into the right shape and your nipples shrink a bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_scale
>>25285284
this >>25285386
T is powerful as all fuck. Its the reason why its sooooo fucking easy for ftms to pass and ftms to not.
An mtf gets slaughtered with T and bones grow and muscles and and the voice box etc.
FTMs get to start with a tiny canvas where they can easily grow muscle and facial hair and dont even have to really work on their voice because it drops automatically.
The only ones that dont pass are the ones who are socially retarded and probably not really trans and think being a guy is like being a fat fucking lesbian dyke like chaz bono.
Put like 5% of effort in lifting weights and eating oats, they can easily be buck angel mode.
Change clothes and you can easily pass for a cute twink. Its soooo fucking easy.
The thing is that T is so bad for your body and their whole srs thing sucks.
Everything else is pretty much ezmode.
Fuck they can wear whatever they want and be tomgirls until they pass.
>>25285390
Probably a good thing really.
>mfw too kinky.
>>25285470
Can you at least point me to the right direction where I could order that shit.
>>25285470
those fucking nails holy shit
I'm 6'2", have size 12W shoes, and my hands can comfortably hold this controller
>>25283722
Oryx looks like John Oliver.
>>25285470
How about inducing lactation to make your breasts grow more?
Also, do the hormones change your fat distribution patterns? Ie, if a MTF put on weight, would they gain more fat in their breasts and butt as women tend to do, rather than in their stomach and thighs as men tend to do?
>>25285602
>>>/lgbt/5423756
Informed Consent Providers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/932389/Trans/Stepping%20Forward%20-%20Informed%20Consent%20Clinics.pdf
Makeup Tutorial: http://imgur.com/a/JO33K/
MTF Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/36HC6ZmT
Trans Info Dump: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8nj_lCW27KbYBh0/edit?usp=sharing
Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge
HRT info: https://web.archive.org/web/00000000000000/http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
Links:
Articles, Studies and General information about Questioning, Transitioning and other stuff: http://pastebin.com/CyW1dXV8
Lots of useful links about/for transgender people: http://pastebin.com/h1vLPxyV
Transgender FAQ: http://pastebin.com/8QbKyShU
Am i trans/ trans help threads archive:
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/search/text/trans%20help%20general%20%23/username/annicole/type/op/
Therapists: http://www.t-vox.org/index.php?title=Therapists_by_region
http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/prof_search.php
sort by transsexual issues
What will hormones do?
mtf: http://imgur.com/lDBLSVR
ftm: http://imgur.com/HqTqvJg
>>25283722
Pookie is cute af
>oh you want to be a part of the advantaged group?
>you have dysphoria now
>>25285622
Im in the closet, so i cant really take care of nails.
I wish I could keep them manicured and ill probably do minimalist designs on them in the future.
>>25285674
im not sure about that. Ive seen a few people lactate because reasons.
I know in the UK people are sometimes given progesterone for breast development.
It definitely changes your fat redistribution.
You start to lose fat from your boy places and new fat builds in girl places.
Ive bumped into 4 things in the past two days because my body is constantly in different proportions than youre used to from your previous 20 years of life.
You dont usually notice it until you feel yourself and your arm or whatever doesnt contact where you remember flesh used to be.
Your muscles deteriorate on top of that too.
I know my ribcage area has shrunk a lot.
My legs and my arms are noticeably smaller.
Im weak as fuck now.
I personally decided to treat it like a second puberty and overeat and stuff.
I used to be anorexic and would eat like 400 calories a day and I thought the changes would be too obvious otherwise.
It helped a lot to hide my boobs because people thought I was just getting fat.
I was also kinda terrified of passing and being unable to explain why I looked so girly and ive been desperately trying to hold onto my guy fat as long as possible since it wont come back and stuff.
I guess it sorta worked at least it protected me socially if nothing else.
I want to say most of my relatives are at A-B and im B maybe C so im definitely on the bigger end for my family.
The most noticeable things I think are the energy drain it caused me and HOW COLD I AM ALL THE TIME
It was 40f/4c yesterday and I went outside more or less for my 1st winter on E and I had a sweater and jeans and a leather jacket and a beanie on and I was shivering outside walking down mainstreet. I hadnt felt that cold since hunting with my dad as a kid in winter on the top of a mountain.
>>25285745
>be me
>reading this http://avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
>mfw nearly everything in "group 3" applies to me
Damn. Over the last few days I've been strongly considering this transitioning stuff for the first time, not as just a fantasy. I think I'm gonna tell my family, or at least my mom, about it soon, probably just after New Year's. At the very least I'd like to see a therapist or something about this.
>>25285952
I fucking hate how everyone is a tumblrina LGBTQWTFBBQ nowadays with blue hair and that fucking bull nose piercing.
Then people are like SURE YOURE TRANS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
And im like uh Ive been suffering mental breakdowns for decades about it and you see these other people who are usually just crossdressers wanting attention.
Then you have this sea of beta males who are like WELL BEING A LADY IS EZ huehuehue and they realize they arent really trans but just a fucking loser and everyone makes fun of them like jenner and chrischan.
Ive met 1 other real trans person in my entire life.
my....mind...wanders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHA1qxsLH-0
This is pretty dumb for several reasons OP. it takes years for estrogen to do its work in the body. also if you're already in your mid twenties it really wont do shit. Your body is long since done growing. 16 is probably when you should start that shit if you want to trap. Lastly even if it does make your body shape a bit more feminine you'd have to remain on it for the rest of your life as your body would slowly start returning to normal after you stopped taking it. Body hair also just doesn't go away.
>>25283722
nope nope nope lolnope cameratrickery nope
nope nope nope nope jesusfuckno nope
nope nope 4/10foreffort nope stilladude nope
nope nope nope literallyaguy nope hahano
>>25286403
imo worst case scenario youre trans and dont pass
get your breasts removed
live life as a twinky male
feel happier cause on E
its not hard on you or anything.
my experience is that doctors are completely untrained and dont even know the diagnosis much less how to treat you at all.
Every single dr ive seen has known nothing and thinks I go around as Ms Doubtfire or something
Its gonna come down to you and what you want to do.
Youre better off deciding yourself and using doctors as your guides to help you through stuff.
Otherwise saying stuff like IM UNSURE is dr language for heavy restriction and gatekeeping and years of therapy and whatever random bullshit diagnosis they feel like giving you that day.
Remember youre putting your life in someone else's hands.
Someone who isnt trained or has ever met or helped a transgender person.
So id really really think about what you want and need and what is true for you before you start forming opinions in some shrink's head.
>>25283722
>nobody passes
what the fuck? I thought /lgbt/ was degenerate enough to trap decently, but those guys look like crossdressers in wigs.
>>25286792
I actually like that redhead with the green phone.
But of course angled selfie with some shop tells nothing.
Need to see the shoulders, hands, and hear the voice.
>>25286792
You must be underage or something.
>>25286792
this
some pics are clearly shooped too. I bet if we would meet these freaks irl we would insta recognize them as guys.
>>25286742
I'm not too worried about not passing, I'm young at 18 and I've got kind of a baby face, plus narrowish shoulders, manlet, good hair, small hands, small feet. I don't look androgynous per se, but if hormones are as magic as they seem and as some transition pics seem to show I think I'll be fine.
It's just that I'm still not entirely sure if I really want to transition or if I'm really even trans at all. I don't hate being a boy so much as I just really want to be a girl. I've had breast envy for as long as I can remember, for one, and I've been crossdressing in secret for a long time - but I don't hate myself being male (at least most of the time), I just feel kind of neutral on it, but maybe that's just a trait of my general apathetic attitude and not so much a gender dysphoria thing.
I don't want to wait and see if I mellow out in a year or two because of course transitioning is more effective the younger you are, plus it seems unlikely to me considering how I've been wanting to be a girl for as long as I can remember.
Surely there are some decent and trained doctors and therapists I can see to get an opinion? I live only like 20 miles away from a city that has a few therapists listed in http://www.t-vox.org/index.php?title=Therapists_by_region Are really all therapists shit or are there some decent ones?
>>25286611
Most body hair in mtfs becomes transparent.
Chest/stomach hair doesnt change too much
arms and legs change a lot.
You need hair removal stuffs done on your face.
A lot of people can easily reach andro.
The "older" trans people look the way they do because they didnt take bio-identical estrogen when they were transitionining. They literally poured horse piss estrogen into their bodies.
Plus they arent really transexual but fucked up faggots who want to play dressy and teacup time so they put zero effort into passing and spend all of their time making the world disgusting and miserable for all the real trans people by trying to lump themselves under our term to justify how they are disgusting degenerate fucks who cant use the bathroom of their sex because they are fucking monstrosities and arent trying to be normal women at all.
Riley is an example of a young person who isnt yet that puss-covered crab fuck sitting at your kid's chucke cheese booth but is well on her way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LY5Z6tyrY8
>>25286834
>you're underage because you still think traps are actually guys with wigs. Also - feminine girl penis.
>>25286904
When your balls drop maybe you'll start liking girls.
>>25286872
Sounds like youd probably be fine.
Even for the AGP people they are recommended to transition.
Probably anyone on that list is good to go. Or anyone whos like specialized in gender stuff.
You could always call around and ask if they are experienced in transgender or patients with gender issues.
You could always lie a bit and say you really want to transition and stuff and see them and that way they know you arent just fucking around.
Id probably take a few months and really look into it and go roleplay being a girl and stuff and talk to people online and read their anecdotes and stuff and see if you can relate and feel that way.
Id probably avoid any media stuff or places like susans or lauras playground or whatever the fuck as they are all degenerate.
It doesnt have to be years, but you should set some time for yourself and do some soul searching.
You probably have a lot of psychological barriers and learned mannerisms that youll have to work through
Find what makes you happy and do it.
Keep asking yourself why until you have the answers.
Lots of people transition because it inconveniences their lives and they feel happier that way.
You dont necessarily have to have mental breakdowns and stuff.
Nobody really knows exactly how it works and your environment and parental support probably effects you a lot as well.
You dont sound like you have autism like chris chan.
>>25286792
Its always the dead eyes that gets me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUuH4TEmgLo
A lot of the pictures are a bit faked.
High camera angles and their face tilted down.
I doubt they chose these pictures themselves.
I am, although I have had some indications since when I was younger. It's probably not going to work out too well but I'll get facial surgery and it should be OK.
>>25282846
Informed consent or just order from online pharmacies
>>25286403
>>25287100
>tfw AGP
I've only recently started to truly realize the extent.. For a lot of my life I was not very manly, although I'm tall. I only started to realize just how poisoned I've been from DHT this year and how the thing I see in the mirror that I haven't recognized for years is actually me. I saw a photo of myself from 8 years ago and I can see a huge fucking difference and I wish I had known more about myself then.
I feel like I've had massive breakthroughs in the past few days, and I feel like I might actually be able to do it and admit to myself.
Not sure where I'm going with this it just feels good to talk about.
>>25284451
lol fuck off back to reddit, dudebro troll cunt
Back to >>>/lgbt/ with you.
I feel sorry for people with gender dysphoria but at the same time you're a retard if you're gonna get your dick cut off seing as they overwhelmingly still kill themselves anyways.
>>25284451
Hello, reddit!
No thanks, I'll prefer to have my future girlfriend to treat me like a girl. Have fun balding and getting more disgusting as you age.
>>25287351
On a second thought after reading this thread:
You disgusting mentally ill trannies should just kill yourself. Trying to convince regular people to get on hormones just because? How fucked are you in the head.
Just kill yourselves you disgusting freaks. It's one thing to fuck yourself up but trying to drag other people down to your level? Disgusting, mentally ill vile pieces of shit. Crap like this thread is the reason people want to curb stomp you disgusting assholes.
>two months on hormones (4mg E, 200mg Spiro a day split in two dosages 12 hours apart)
>no facial change except weird white skin
>no body change except fat legs and weird nipples
>no hope for passing
I really don't know what to do anymore, if there's no hope for passing, why am i doing this in the first place? Not like it's gonna cure dysphoria if i don't pass. Goddamn i just wish they could put some sort of a microchip in your brain that denies all Dysphoria signals and enables me to have a normal life.
>>25287426
not our fault we have dysphoria, fag, and suggesting hormones we just helping other people who are closet dysphoric and that just might be the source of their depression or anxiety and their reason for being on r9k.
>>25287824
>2 months
Relax hon you'll could still pass in the future
>>25287824
can you reverse these procedures?
>>25282857
>tfw you are perfectly comfortable being a man who looks a girl and you like your dick
If you're an actual tranny I feel sorry for you. Being a bitch boy is far better because you don't even have to be feminine most of the time, you can still dominate people if you want.
>>25287824
>two months
try two years and then come back
>>25282671
That's not even Psych 101, that's wishful retard thinking.
>>25282941
that pill is most likely cyproterone acetate
>>25287824
Its only been two months anon, it takes years to see the full effect
>>25287369
Mtf's on hrt dont bald or age like men, those are caused by testosterone that we block
>>25287988
sure, just further you get it gets more complicated, such as being infertile and boobs.
>>25288274
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>>25288048
Yeah sure thing. I see bitches all the time with these amazing timelines like 4 months later they are don't only pass but are also full qt
I just hate myself so much, why couldn't i be born a girl? or at least as a cute boy with no puberty?
>>25288408
They look good at 4 months because they already looked good, they just shaved the beard, wore makeup, nice clothes and flattering angles for photos. No one really changes in 4 months, it takes a lot longer but thr changes do take place
There is nothing worse than a human being with the hubris of a man and the morality of a woman.
If I ever become a woman, I promise I'd only have sex with robots :3
>>25288872
Sure.....sure you would.
>>25288408
What makes you ugly exactly? Any specific reasons, or do you just hate yourself in general?
>>25289131
cuz i don't look feminine, nor do i even look good at all in any way, there is just something very off and it always looks creepy as fuck (picrelated).
Because i will never be a girl, or even a good looking trap at all, i will never have a good life and will be forever living the tranny freak life or just kms when dysphoria hits too hard.
>>25289227
Well, i've seen a lot worse. You really don't look that bad honestly, what do you sound like? If your voice wasn't super deep i could see myself hitting on you irl
>>25289289
Thanks, your post improved my mood a little. It's not super deep but it's not feminine either. Whenever i go out full fem-mode, usually at night, i try to avoid speaking since i'm afraid to sound totally fake, but i had to twice and neither of the times was i pointed out. So make from that what you will. And anyways, i wouldn't want to step into any sort of a relationship, or even to fuck anyone, or just do anything untill i'm 100% sure that i more or less pass and am comfortable with myself, so yeah.
>>25282846
>and they make you cross dress an entire year
That's hot
>>25289355
Oh, that makes perfect sense. As far as the voice thing goes, i think most trans goes, they'll work on a voice until it feels natural, i'm sure they all feel like it's a "fake" voice at first. Anyways, don't feel so bad about that stuff, like i've said, i've seen way worse. You're cute enough to get some robots to drop spaghetti-o's around you i bet
>>25283096
sounds like an asshole but in all honesty i bet that shits bad for your brain. ive heard about people who LD a lot having false memories and think about it. if you LD every night are you really getting a full nights sleep? the whole point of dreaming is to let your mind run free and sleep
I do not wish I was a woman. I'll gladly wear the clothing but that's about it. I like being a man otherwise, and am comfortable in my gender despite mixing and matching a couple things.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the average 4chan/tumblr/reddit /leftypol/ tranny was doing it just because they're either jealous of women, or too insecure about their gender in general to flip a pancake or sew a doll as a man.
>>25282857
This makes me want to have a trans gf just to make her feel feminine and loved every night. No homo doe.
I don't dislike being a man but I wish I was a woman. I don't feel like a woman trapped in a man's body, I feel like a man who wants to be a woman but doesn't really care enough to actually do it. If I could move away from where I grew up, people I knew my whole life, I'd probably say I was a trans person just because fuck it why not. I have no ties to the ideas of masculinity or what it means to be effeminate. I just like stereotypically female things.
>>25282546
I am going to very soon actually. Your theory is true for a lot of robots I'm sure.
>>25289790
Mentally Ill faggot please don't apply your malfunctioning brain to the rest of us.
>>25289843
Actually I am pretty sure you bitter faggots are in the minority
>>25285241
Not much unfortunately
>milky white skin, curvy legs and cute nipples to play with
>>25290896
obviously this is in reference to the lovely uglytrap's post
>>25287824
>>25289227
Are you Angie? You look suspiciously like her
>>25291199
i'm not her, but what does she look like anyway?
>>25282857
nice try.
I'm trans and I pass fairly well. Came out when I was 14, and I'm 19 now. I'm not too faggy about it though. I wear hoodies and jeans and don't really wear makeup. On HRT though. At my college, at stores, everyone calls me "she" and "miss".
I'm not living a lie though. Those people see me that way and so that's what they call me. When I first started and people called me "he" I didn't go social justice warrior on their asses. Preferred pronouns are bullshit. It's not my job to control other people's vocabulary.
Plus, whenever I make friends or start dating someone, I let them know in as subtle a way as possible. I don't want there to be any misunderstandings or miscommunications. Some guys have asked me out, and once I told them, they didn't want to keep going forward, but we're still great friends and hang out and watch shitty 80s action movies together.
All in all my life is pretty normal. Contrary to what tumblr fags might tell you, I've never felt oppressed or triggered or like all media is sexist or transphobic. Fuck, I laugh like crazy at Ace Ventura in spite of its tranny jokes. I mean come on, I can laugh at myself. Trannies are funny.
But this is what I am and I'm fine with that.
I don''t typically post things like these because I'm sure people will think it's bait or a pasta or they'll just shitpost in response. But I don't know, I guess I just want to make a point that you don't have to be crazy or faggy or some insane sjw to transition, and if you pass well enough you can still live a fairly normal life.
>>25291408
You are doing a good job, if you chose to want to be a woman knowing full well the consequences, and accept them, you are ok I guess.
>>25290758
[le sweating man intensifies]
>>25290896
oh trust me i play with my nips everyday, but i wish someone else would touch them too
>>25287426
So you sat here reading my stuff and it upset you?
I feel honored.
>>25289227
you could probably get to Clea DuVall mode
you two look like siblings already.
>>25289423
No they want a stereotype like this or youre not being authentic etc
>>25289593
I dunno. I was always an alpha male sports star growing up.
I just basically went around pretending to be Vegeta all day.
I batted 4th or 5th to hit homeruns. I had 13 sophmore year.
I have a wall of deer trophies and sports trophies and computer related trophies.
Id facefuck my girfriend all the time.
None of it makes you happy though because its just a big fucking lie and its not who you are and you just get sick of it and hate yourself more and more because the harder you try to fight it, the harder it pushes back.
I just always felt like I was crossdressed and playing a part in a play.
>>25282546
Starting estrogen only works if you're a really late bloomer, starting before normal puberty age or you're otherwise extremely feminine
otherwise you end up looking like an abomination that nobody wants
then there are some people with naturally masculine (but ugly) bodies and features like me who it wouldn't have worked even if it was before fucking birth
>>25292100
Its more like
Pre puberty
Preteen
Teenager
20 is cutofft off for ugly fucks
25 is cutoff for normies
30 is cutoff for twinks andro etc
>>25291551
there havent really been any consequences. i live in a pretty black neighborhood, so i've had a few older black dudes say some really nasty shit about doing stuff to me. I'd like to say I feel like I get interrupted in conversations more, but that's probably just jumping to conclusions.
My life is more or less the same, just with a different coat of paint.
>>25292552
Most 20 year old mtfs don't really pass that well
>>25292851
Yeah they do. They're just not attractive.
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>>25282689
>mfw this thread
>wish I was a girl but yeah
>pretty sure if you're not designed to pass down your genes you have a disorder
>>25287034
>shemales from /lgbt/
>girls
pick one you delusional faggot.
>>25291408
This is what being Trans should be all about. Instead, we got the stupid fuckers posting their dicks while wearing stockings or shouting and screaming while half naked at pride parades making people think they're fucking freaks. If I knew more Trans people that acted like you I'd support Trans rights, unfortunately most of the ones I know are freakazoids.
>>25291408
>i pass fairly well
>no pics though :3
nah m8, you don't pass and your anecdotal cool story about "people who call you a miss" is also a fairy tale. Keep on living a lie. Don't forget to cry on /r9gay/ when you'll finally realise it's time to become an hero like the rest of your shemale bretheren.
>>25293156
I really hope this is just a strategy to get him to post boipucci.
who was behind these
>>25293173
he wont post shit because the fag doesnt pass and he knows it
>inb4 i-i dont even need to prove anything!
in that case we can assume the negative position, since the burden of proof befalls the one who claims.
>>25293087
to be honest, even I kinda hate the majority of trans people at this point.
Well, maybe not hate. I can empathize to an extent. But some of them kind of act like children.
I just like looking cute and feminine, but it's not my whole life. I probably wouldn't go to a rally or pride parade if I knew one was in town. I'd rather spend that time modding vidya or watching movies or something. If you make a struggle your identity, your identity is lost when your struggle is over. That's why feminists still love to claim that there's some major oppression against women (when there really isnt) because they need to keep their identity of "fighting for women's rights" alive. Same shit with the black power movement.
>>25293156
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>>25293173
>Don't post pics
>I'm a fake sad hairy fag who doesn't pass
>Post pics
>wow, all trannies are crazy attention whores!
alternatively
>Don't post pics
>/r9k/ mob won't try to fuck with me and find out my powerword
>Post pics
>have my personal shit flamed by people who just really hate trans and want to fuck with me for fun
I'm good, thanks. For frame of reference I pass about as well as these fags:
>>25283722
I'm not perfect, I could always lose a couple pounds or do more squats or whatever, but I pass well enough that I've been on dates with straight guys. Or I suppose relatively straight.
>>25282846
but this kind of shit is still ongoing in the Netherlands though.
>>25293322
>still posts no proof and keeps making shit up
and you expect us to believe your outlandish tales?
>I'm good, thanks. For frame of reference I pass about as well as these fags
They don't pass tho.
>I'm not perfect, I could always lose a couple pounds or do more squats or whatever, but I pass well enough that I've been on dates with straight guys. Or I suppose relatively straight.
>translation: i am not posting anything because i dont really pass, but here is my proof - my bullshit story about some closet fag who is "straight"
The absolute madman!
>>25293630
thank u for the hearty kek
here is your (you) and a pepe, free of charge
>>25293690i haven't seen this pepe yet so th-thanks for benefiting my collection
>>25293630
I believe him/her
and they do quite pass to be fair.
>>25282546
clearly with all the mentally disturbed people ITT this is a must read for you all.
http://www. sexchangeregret. com/Things-Ive-Learned
>>25282546
do testosterone instead, dumbfucks
its scientifically proven that test>estro for all the physique development and health and basic lifeforce
AND for brain too! NOTE: estro affects males and fems brains differently, men arent getting same benefits as females
but better don't fuck up your natural hormonal system, seek natural ways to increase your test levels and health
if you are into heavy sports or TRT due to hypogonadism you should know what you are
>>25294263
>I put no research into this topic whatsoever
>>25294284
yeah you didnt
stay clueless
>>25282603
Don't they make you sterile too.
>>25294331
HRT will make you infertile fairly quickly, after a few months the effect is irreversible
>>25282546
>jealousy of women
Pfft
>>25282846
>make you cross dress
I'm always laughing at the idiots who want to be girls and rush to eats mom's contraceptives yet cant put any effort into makeup/clothes or even plucking brows.
Of course they never pass, become more ugly and more depressed and fail transition.
Then line up for gyno removal surgery or just kill themselves.
>>25292687
>be me
>30yo muscular black guy
>get hit on by twinks and trannies all the time
>100% hetero
I'm not sure how to feel about this. I usually just joke around and then walk away awkwardly.
>>25294517
Some of us like a chick before the makeover, even more than after. If you see.
>>25294661
It means everybody wants the BBC, no exceptions. Plus they know that a VAST majority of black men are in the closet and love boipucci.
>>25294661
>100% hetero
No such thing, especially with blacks.
>>25294661
funny how we bothh have inverted versions of the same problem
>>25294263
>>25294299
Taking testosterone may make your more masculine physically, but it doesn't cure gender dysphoria for MTFs.
>>25282546
obvious bait. you're not really this retarded..
right guys?RIGHT GUYS?NO ONE IS REALLY THIS RETARDED ARE THEY GUYS?
OH GOD
>>25295101
Thread is 200 posts in
>>25294517
It's not that we don't want to put in effort to look good or to get the pills, we just don't think we should have to jump through hoops to get the hormones. Imagine if you had diabetes, but they made you wait a year before you could get insulin injections in order to make sure "you really want them."
Plus, walking around, crossdressing while still looking mostly masculine is embarrassing and just perpetuates the stereotype of transsexuals as twisted fetishists or something.
>>25295213
Yeah, the UK system is bullshit
>>25288295
That's what I was saying
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