make sure you get the condoms that protect against stds, handies are std free, provided she doesn't have any sores or anything on them, try not to say anything weird

>>25253255
Don't lick it, even if it looks clean and nice.

I'm talking actually finding one aswell. UK btw. It is legal...right?

>>25253255
Here in New Zealand it's legal so the best way is to find an escort is online.
newzealandgirls.co.nz
verified accounts, prearranged prices and time organized over the phone.

My first times with a prozzie i picked them up from the street but i'd recommend against that. All drug addicts and usually straight out of prison.

if your nervous go for an asian massage parlor that does adult massage. its good because you won't have to make conversation and their job is to put you at ease. fairly cheap comparative to a similar western whore, low risk of std's from massage/hj, they will probs make you wear a condom for a bj and just wear one for sex even though it will make sex way worse than it otherwise can be.

don't try to eat whore pussy. just don't. ever.

they ask what you do for a living and your name. I give my first name and usually the trade i work but never the business. whatever you do don't have them meet you at your place. In-call options means meeting wherever she works from and all decent escorts have somewhere. Never out-call that means she wants to meet at yours, or a hotel which is just another expense. No last names. If you use a work/company phone or it's unsecured then get a burner. Avoid giving too much information about yourself but it's not really worth making up elaborate lies, they don't really care and are most likely sniffing out wether you have money which if they suspect you do they will try to make you a regular and eventually they will consider you a sugar daddy and rip you the fuck off. I've seen it happen to guys before especially when fucking with drug addicted whores.

My experiences with whores started when i was 16 and one approached me outside my weed dealers. I'm nearly 24 and since that time i've been with dozens of prozzies, i've been a heroin addict, a driver, a dealer, and eventually a pimp. Got clean almost a year ago and turned my back on it all but i've got a lot of experience in the field.

Thanks man, interesting stuff. Is it wise to call from an alternate number or something incase stuff gets shady?

>>25253855
>>25254565

>not eating escort pussy

pussies

>>25254565
A few other things. If you need to refer to them then do so by their advertised name or refer to her as a 'working girl'. Never outright call her a prostitute and only refer to her as a whore if your confident and doing well in the sack. Most women like being dominated and being called a bitch or a whore but not with strangers and not when they are actually doing it for cash. Paying with drugs allows more leeway but thats a risky business you should avoid. DOn't make the mistake of asking her if she is busy or how many clients they have 'serviced' that day/night. Many of them are brutually honest and you will not want to know or be thinking about that when your trying to get your end off. Never ask her for her real name, if she feels comfortable she will share but i'd avoid going down that path. Don't let yourself get attached in anyway. Remain non-committal if she asks you to come and see her again. They often ask if you want to smoke weed or drink. I'd say avoid that, to much risk of personal life getting mixed up. They are always manipulators. They never work for free, even if your pimping it will cost you one way or another... She will ask your job but don't ask hers even if its just making conversation. If she has a regular job she won't talk about it, most likely she doesnt anyway and just takes drugs. Other major redflags include not wanting you to use condom, offering drugs, track marks, if she talks about her children (which she has but never sees and are probably in state care or with her parents) or if she mentions a partner. They are always straight but some choose to be with other prozzies in their personal life as its easier for them than trying to maintain a real relationship. Whatever you do don't say thank her at the end. It will be tempting, post sex is awkward and it usually slips out when your about to walk out of the door. Even if she thanks you, do not thank her. Thats partly what moneys for and it only ever offends/pisses them off.

>>25254778
Escort Pussy doesn't taste nice. I'm warning him out of prior experience/mistakes.

If it looks dangerous, don't do it.

This applies to most/all things.

If you're retarded enough to go condomless routes, then DO NOT DO ANAL. STD transmission rates are much higher (and are usually the quoted figures) for anal sex compared to vaginal sex.

Going along with the above, "slipping off the condom" (aka purposely taking off the condom during, for example, doggystyle) is probably the most alive I've ever felt.

man

condom is too tight on me for it to "accidentally" slip off.

bustas

>>25253255
it's not worth it.

the only thing that makes sex better than jerking off is the feeling of a girl desiring you as much as you desire her. and that's the one thing a pro can never give you.

I've no intention of doing oral or condomless desu, although the initial awkwardness will be unberable I think

>>25255166

>the feeling of a girl desiring you as much as you desire her. and that's the one thing a pro can never give you.

>implying

EVER SINCE I LEFT THE CITY YOU

even this so called "pimp" forget that working chicks are still chicks.

yeah u paying for her time, so lay back relax and get her done.

shit.

u have a magical free pass from all the games and bullshit, don't waste it.

bustas

>>25254736
In New Zealand you can call the police should things get shady, given that it's all legal. It's a protective measure for both the 'working girl' and the 'client'. The cops know which girls are troublemakers. I'd assume oversea's that isn't an option.

As I stated I used a burner (a cheap and disposable phone) to avoid using my business line. I'd recommend that option, although it's never gone that badly for me to necessitate it i've heard many stories over the years of crazy whores and I have fine tuned instincts for these types of things that an amateur won't. I forgot to mention in my last post, one of the biggest red-flags for escorts (not streetwalkers but especially brothel workers) is the bait and switch. It's where they falsely advertise often using a fake or old picture. If something is not right then leave. Before the sex they will make you hand over money. If you have already handed it over and something happens that doesn't seem right or instinctually makes you cautious then the money is gone and you should forget about it. Trust your instincts. Finish up, get out, and forget about the whole thing. Sometimes things just don't go as planned, only look out for yourself. If she is falsely advertising then walk away before handing over any cash. Thats when it's handy for her to not be able to contact or locate you, which is another reason for the burner. I've witnessed drug whores harassing Johns nonstop for days on end but it only usually happens when they are an established 'sugar-daddy'. I've had junkies whores pay for tens of thousands of dollars worth of junk for us to shoot up and it all came from wealthy elderly johns. Most whores don't really like young 'clients' as they frequently show up drunk due to nerves, are usually broke, judgmental (which is harder to manipulate), and inexperienced in bed. Id recommend against alcohol. If you need it for the nerves you aren't ready for the experience yet and are potentially putting yourself at risk

>>25254565
what was your time as a pimp like?

there's this one girl who i've seen a few times. she seems really desperate, and after talking to her for a long time, i think my demeanor puts her at ease. she's kind of been hinting at me maybe "helping" her. i imagine i'd be wrangling clients for her, posting online ads, screening clients, etc. is that about right?

>>25254778
GTFO that's awful. There could of been 10 other dicks in that pussy just on that day, and you're going to lick it?

Going to a hooker is gross enough but eating one out is just beyond disgusting.

thats what i plan to do at this point. though i dont want the escort to see me naked until im not fat. i know they probably see fat fucks all the time, but i cant bring myself to do it because im ashamed so im working on it. i think i should be good by next summer

>>25255474

lol just stay home then kiddo

I'm not fat or anything, I've kissed a girl once, while we were both drunk, which hopefully gives you insight into my experience. I can foresee the encounter going very awkwardly nd me sperging out somehow

>>25254010

yes mate as long as it isn't a kurb krawler or in a brothel

I can't believe that, I've always thought it was illegal bloody hell. Can you recommend any sites?

>>25255449
>what was your time as a pimp like?
surprisingly stressful. thousands of dollars would pass through my hands and yet you will always need more. As stated i was also shooting h.

>there's this one girl who i've seen a few times. she seems really desperate, and after talking to her for a long time, i think my demeanor puts her at ease. she's kind of been hinting at me maybe "helping" her.
It's an act and she is trying to take you for more money. Making you comfortable is part of the job, and they can use their personal vulnerabilities to exploit yours. Their bread and butter is not in sex its in male loneliness. It's all about manipulation.

>i imagine i'd be wrangling clients for her, posting online ads, screening clients, etc. is that about right?
I never did any of that they would find their own clients and work on them to exploit the cash. lets face it, sex sells itself. Thankfully in NZ it can all be done openly without risk of arrest.
Its undignified for a man to be doing bitch work like checking emails and posting ads. She is capable of that herself and an actual pimp is gonna be too busy.
For me it was mostly doing drug deals, remaining calm around interfering cops, cooking up and distributing shots of h (its the worst when all the girls veins are fucked and she needs you to find one and 'doctor' her). It's constantly attempting to remain in contact with them (they come and go and disappear real quick when they choose too), sorting out places for them to work from, and driving them when necessary which is basically just to wealthy punters.
It's worth avoiding violence with them but you have to be prepared, especially to defend yourself because they are unstable and will know other men who fancy themselves tough guys and protecters.
I found one of the most difficult things was showing them affection when internally remaining cold and distant, the defense mechanism that got me through it all mentally intact.

>>25255525
>though i dont want the escort to see me naked until im not fat. i know they probably see fat fucks all the time, but i cant bring myself to do it because im ashamed so im working on it. i think i should be good by next summer

They won't care about you being fat they will in fact be more likely to just get on top so less work for you.
However you are better off jerking it and then using the self-loathing to work on bettering yourself. At least in the long-run. Sex won't fill the empty void of loneliness. That being said i've had good sexual experiences with whores, and bad experiences with girlfriends.
My advice for punters would be to get a 'sensual massage'. You get jerked off and treated well. The girls who do that but don't do 'full-service' are more attractive and generally new to the industry. It costs less than full-sex, has less internal shame afterwards, and you won't be inspecting your dick constantly over the following weeks.

>>25254565

i ate out a romanian hooker recently, she tasted pretty gud desu, probably wasn't a good idea though

Do you think losing the virgin tag > any internal shame? I think I might finally be able to get over myself and grow if I do

>>25253255
I went to Amsterdam to do it.

Tip 1: Don't go for ugly prozzies because you feel bad, I made this mistake and found out it was a south american Tranny.

Tip 2: If you get a blow job you'll get herpes, so its either jack off only or STI'S (even with a condom).

Tip 3: If your as ugly as me expect to be charged double.

Any more questions feel free to ask.

>>25255778
god damn. that sounds crazy. i'm a paranoid kind of person anyway. plus i'm a suburban goof, so i'd be wide open to a criminal bf fucking my shit up.

i absolutely, 100 percent, would not touch drugs. i didn't even consider that that could enter the equation, but it makes sense. and yeah, as dumb as it sounds, i really did think i'd just be writing ads and making sure her clients weren't abusive douchebags.

it sounds like you were basically babysitting them. again, something i didn't even consider, but that also makes complete sense. if they could manage themselves, they probably wouldn't be selling their bodies.

and i understood the manipulation part. she's a good sell, no question. but she actually is smart and sounds like a typical tumblr kind of girl. also very quick. you would never in a million years hear her on the phone and think that she was anything but a random white girl, driving around college in a BMW her father bought her. that's a scary world though man. i knew that before, but your explanation just solidified it. damn. thanks for sharing btw.

>>25253255
If she's all outta hiv, double down on the herp.

Or get a half mixer of ghonno-syph

>>25253855
This. My buddy hired an escort while high on meth and carelessly ate her box.

The bitch gave him septic arthritis and he was in hospital for 3 days unable to walk.


Stay safe senpaitachi

You got charged double? Damn son. I'd pay a bit extra for a fitty, might aswell if I'm going for it right?

I spent 100 dollars on a prostitute two weekends ago to lose my virginity

I was drunk as shit and could barely stay hard. I was a nervous wreck and I didn't even cum.

I think it was worth it t b h. Thank fuck I got that out of the way. I probably would have killed myself or fled town if I had that kind of experience with a normal girl

Yeah I'd like to get any potential autismo episodes out of the way. I think once I'm into it I'll be fine, just the initial stuff. And... are you meant to talk during sex? Is it rude to ask to put music on?

after reading a popular board in my country about the subject, the only tips i have are:

>don't carry more cash than the one you need to pay her
>use a fake name, buy a disposable phone to make the contact
>use. the. stairs.
>negotiate everything you want and expect during the phone call and after seeing her for the first time


i'm thinking of seeing one this january/february.
i've had a chance to get laid but i was so nervous and anxious i didnt do it. so i just want to lose my v card, learn a thing or two, and then i can be more relaxed for the next time.

if i spend months and months without sex and if i like her i will probably see the escort again

>>25255989
Yeah I once ate out a young blond russian escort who was traveling and came to NZ for sex work. It was great at the time, tasted really sweet and the sweaty stench of good pussy really turns me on. We smoked weed afterwards, and by the time I drove home I was already chain smoking ciggies and regretting the whole thing.
If i'm honest I also ate her ass but thats something else entirely and I don't recommend anal with escorts.

I went back and saw her again about a week later and when she was blowing me she stuck a pinky in my ass, dirty bitch. At the time I was less experienced so I just came and got the fuck out and didn't see her again. In hindsight she was one of the better experiences I had with whores but god damn did I make a lot of bad decisions along the way.

go for wizard status, bro, its not worth it.

years from now you won't think back to that time you hooked up with a prostitute and feel good about it... you will be worse off than you are now.

Research her pics and number and be nice. That's about it.

Sorry to post same thing but it's starting to bother me, should you talk during sex?

>>25256167
>>use. the. stairs.

why the stairs?

>>25256292
You don't have to. You can say stuff like, "that feels good", or "i love your tits".

>>25254778
>>25255559
>I'm a man's man MANLY man-man

Enjoy Gonorrheaids eating your face off.

>>25256088
>I was a nervous wreck and I didn't even cum.
Don't dwell on that too much. It's happened to me a few times, and early on in my sexual experiences it made me an anxious wreck. Later on if found out it's actually quite common and escorts are used to it. In fact most women are used to it not just hookers, remember they were with guys who were equally inexperienced when they lost their virginities or just started out with sex, and its generally only inexperienced guys that get upset which will only make it worse. And sex can be awkward the first few times with a person anyway, eventually you get to know what they react to and it gets easier. Not worth worrying about at all, and with gf's if you get upset and sulking or internalize they will think you are blaming them. That really makes things worse, trust me.

Escorts won't care and will run down the clock or end it early if its obvious you won't get anywhere, but it's still as awkward for them as it is for you so try to not make a big deal about it and she will probably be kind about it.

>>25256115
At brothels or with independent escorts there is often music playing. If you pick one up in your car then have a station picked out that is bland and ideally has a beat. Honestly the hardest part of being with escorts is getting the willpower/balls to walk up to the house/apartment and knock on the door. After that there is an attractive and flirty chick bring you inside, you hand over the money which you should prearrange the amount per time and don't bring anymore than that amount or other valuables like watches. They will usually ask you to shower. Before you know it you are naked and hard and it's best to let instinct take over. Don't feel compelled to talk but if you want to say something then don't be afraid too. Like all women they love compliments, but try not to say anything to personal to an escort.

Thanks guys, really helped me out.Might go through with it in a few weeks

I've read a bit about no kissing, how often does that come about?

>>25256076
>This. My buddy hired an escort while high on meth and carelessly ate her box.
>The bitch gave him septic arthritis and he was in hospital for 3 days unable to walk.
Kek that would suck but I bet it's a good story now. That's why older guys have the best yarns at the pub. Most of our generation are too pussified and shit scared of STD's to get fucked up and let loose and learn valuable life lessons from the mistakes.

>>25256724
I'd say about 70-80% of escorts don't kiss for whatever reason, be it a fear of STDs or they find it too intimate. I saw a girl who didn't like to be on top because she thought it was too intimate.

>>25255186
GOTTA REPUTATION FOR YOURSELF NOW

>>25256724
The thing about kissing is that it only a pleasurable thing with someone you are intimate with on a personal level. That doesn't really come into play with escorts and it can make it awkward. I'm not big on kissing when I see escorts and usually that's for the best. Sometimes they like kissing, if your young then you probably look better than most clientele even if your a bit overweight. They would sometimes find my socially awkward behavior endearing and more than once when they have started kissing me and it's made me uncomfortable. When it's uncomfortable first time they won't likely try again anyway. If you want to kiss an escort then you should just ask. Only give it a go without asking if she is obviously as into the sex as you are. Kissing breasts and nipples is my default with escorts and you won't need to ask because it's fucking awesome and they will expect it. If they don't like anything they will let you know.

>>25256761
>I saw a girl who didn't like to be on top because she thought it was too intimate.
sorry to break it to you but she was just a lazy bitch or didn't like your game. probably both. they don't like to get on top because it's more work and they likely have seen numerous guys before you and be anticipating more after. Thats why it's important to only see escorts who work in well maintained premises with showers, and ideally clean linen.

>>25256898

>Only give it a go if she's obviously into it

I find that a bit unlikely. I'm also not the overweight guy btw. I'm not physically self-conscious, just really socially shit. I don't see kissing as purely intimate either, might just be me though

>>25256007
The thing about losing your v-plates to an escort or a prostitute is that it will only offset the internal shame of not fulfilling your biological desire for sex with a new kind of internal struggle and won't alleviate the loneliness. I'd recommend it just to have a thrilling experience that will allow you to feel brave despite any shame. It can also help with confidence but comes without bravado. You also have to consider that for most young men losing their virginity is mostly about bragging rights, but chances are you won't want to talk about experiences with escorts to other people anyway. Your parents will still worry about you not having gfs, other chicks will still think you are incapable of relationships. If you tell your mates they might just mock you as bad for fucking prostitutes as they would for being a virgin and worst still they might tell others. Most girls find male virgins endearing or pitiful. Worst thing is when potential gfs hear about your whoring and learn the true nature of your degenerate manhood.

>>25257383

I've somehow conned everyone I know into thinking I've already had a gf so I lucked out there actually, For all intents and purposes they think I've fucked; all I need to do is do it for real

>>25256360

imagine pressing the 6th floor button with someone there, and that person knows there's an escort in that floor

imagine being stuck in the elevator.

>>25257383

stop projecting

>>25257432
in reality, they probably don't believe you

people can sense it

>>25256024
>god damn. that sounds crazy. i'm a paranoid kind of person anyway. plus i'm a suburban goof, so i'd be wide open to a criminal bf fucking my shit up.
t b h it was a pretty crazy time and thinking back to only where i was a year ago (on a waiting list for rehab) its kinda fucked up to think about. I travelled a lot in my early teen years and was already doing criminal shit by the time i got into opiates and addicted. The whoring just started out for fun and to get some experience. The experiences ended up being mixed, some good some bad. I'm glad its mostly behind me now, and everything comes with consequences good and bad. It's unlikely that a criminal bf would beat you up. I never had to talk a women into prostitution they came to me as friends (well drug acquaintances), usually when guys I knew would go inside for stretch. The first couple were pretty much just playing me but the next few were easier. I never took on more than 2-3 at a time.
The most risky guys involved here were gang-members or their whores, Maoris and Islanders who aren't worth dealing with in NZ because of the gang shit but the white junkie scene is quite racist anyway. I never took on brown chicks. the escorts avoid brown guys. They mostly won't take on Indians as clients, only the most desperate leeching whores.
I've taken more beatings from sleeping with guys gf's who weren't prostitutes than when i was pimping but i was somewhat low-key and only really did it to make ends meet and to score h.
>i absolutely, 100 percent, would not touch drugs. i didn't even consider that that could enter the equation, but it makes sense.
no drugs in the equation? then pimping won't possibly be worth it. It didn't happen to me overnight anyway. As i say i'd done a lot of criminal stuff to get me to that point anyway.

>>25256024
>and yeah, as dumb as it sounds, i really did think i'd just be writing ads and making sure her clients weren't abusive douchebags.
it's kinda funny but i guess i would have taken that naive approach years ago too, but the reality is much different and it's pretty dark shit to be involved with.
>it sounds like you were basically babysitting them. again, something i didn't even consider, but that also makes complete sense. if they could manage themselves, they probably wouldn't be selling their bodies.
pretty much this. they were unstable and drug addicted already when our paths crossed. i was too but being a man i was much more capable of dealing with it. that being said i had sex with female dealers more than a few times for gear and they were worse than any experience with paying escorts for sex. most of the h dealers where i live are former prostitutes and men who try to deal find themselves locked up pretty quick.

>>25256024
>and i understood the manipulation part. she's a good sell, no question. but she actually is smart and sounds like a typical tumblr kind of girl. also very quick. you would never in a million years hear her on the phone and think that she was anything but a random white girl, driving around college in a BMW her father bought her.
The manipulation is a constant and you should always beware, wether if with a $50 bj whore or a $300 an hour student who is escorting on the side and i've been with both.
> that's a scary world though man. i knew that before, but your explanation just solidified it. damn.
Thats one of the worst parts of all of this, seeing the true nature of what people can become and how fast it can happen. Needless to say I know have a lot of deep seated issues with women, i guess thats why i occasionally browse /r9k/ and kinda feel like i fit here even though i'm pretty much a failed normie degenerate.
>thanks for sharing btw.
no worries. i usually try to block this stuff out and rarely have anyone to discuss shit with anyway but sometimes its fun to reminisce about fucked up times.

>>25257549
>stop projecting
i wish i were. i recommend fucking whores but guys should be aware of the pitfalls. i didn't actually lose my v-plates to an escort, but i wasn't as successful at high school parties as mates who were mostly rugby guys and other meatheads. Instead I started early with actual whores, although for me the first time paying was circumstantial. Also i generally prefer to be alone in my day to day and my experiences with actual relationships have been rough. Needless to say i've been with a lot of prostitutes and escorts and i'm just pointing out that it won't come with bragging rights. I'm not trying to brag myself on /r9k/ or anything, that would be pointless. pretty much just writing because i smoked weed am bored and it's kinda cathartic.
I'd still recommend getting escorts or 'massages' to most guys but when I have recommended it IRL to mates it's usually backfired. Not worth talking about publicly. Most young fellas are too pussy or try to intellectualize the experience too much anyway.

>>25257383
>endearing
Is it really true though

>>25258339
Endearing or pitiful. Pity can also sometimes be a good thing. The main issue is that either way she will see you for being a beta and will exploit that to take advantage of you. And it's your fault if you let them. Ultimately getting a gf requires confidence and patience. Thats why the escorts option isn't such a bad idea for a lot of guys, because escorts require minimal amounts of both.

>>25258792
Well thank you for sharing your experience, it was an interesting read.