What are your favorite topics to study in your free time?
I enjoy studying Christian history and theology
>>25214778
Economics. I know what to do in our political state. Too bad nobody would vote for me if I came out and said it, though.
What are some good introductory\general books on those topics, OP?
Free will, I still wonder how people can believe in it.
>>25214778
Fuck christian history and theology, stop being a pleb and study philosophy.
>>25214778
why-it's-not-my-fault-that-women-don't-like-meology
>>25214778
Finance, one of the few study habits that will actually get you ahead in life. Philosophy can only take you so far.
>>25214823
Because what I experience everyday is free will, if I experience it, it is real. Therefore free will is real. Very simple Buddd
History, especially after the fall of constantinople
>tfw serbs almost removed kebab but failed miserably
>>25214823
>>25214867
Please don't start this. The free will thing can have its own thread, don't derail yet another thread with this argument.
>>25214809
Oh gosh, wasn't expecting someone to actually ask my opinion on this
I'll gladly give it, but keep in mind I'm only a laymen! The bible is the obvious answer, mainly the gospels, Acts and Paul's letters. CS Lewis' Mere Christianity is a popular choice as introduction to fundamental Christian beliefs, but I disagree with it at certain points. For history, an abridged version of Eusebius' history of the Christian church may be helpful, and the writings of early church fathers like Justin Martyr and Ignatius are also very interesting to me :)
>>25214838
I don't think philosophy is very interestingl if it isn't objectively true, honestly.
>>25214778
Biology. If you catch my drift. Wink wink, nod nod. I like to watch pornography of people having graphic sexual relations while I stroke my penis and receive sexual gratification from it.
>>25214894
Thanks for the recommendations.
Are you a Christian yourself? A believer? Or you're just interested in the history?
>>25214778
I like reading up on Astronomy. I hope to be able to learn the required math to understand the finer intricate details of general relativitiy and the physics of phenomenon in space like Black holes
>>25214920
I am a Christian.
>>25214894
How do you opine on the issue of Jesus' divinity and human nature? I find the orthodox view of dual natures in Jesus to be quite contradictory but I don't necessarily agree with the Nicenean view.
>>25214892
How is that not related to this thread?
>>25214867
Emotions aren't valid arguments mate.
>>25214986
Sorry you have every right to post that free will is an interest of yours, I just don't want to see another thread taken over by the argument.
>>25214778
based german anon?
>>25215038
Fair enough friendo.
Same, also classical composition and general philosophy
>>25214980
Why do you find the orthodox view contradictory?
I believe Jesus was fully man on earth, and only displayed His Godhood when permitted by the Father. For example, during His healings, His transfiguration, miracles etc. and I think this also explains His limited knowledge during His time on earth, He only knew what the Father chose to reveal to Him.
>>25214809
The Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas. Bonus point if you read the Latin original.
>>25215065
This pretty much. Dominus granted Jesus the miracles.
>>25214986
>emotions arent valid arguments
I never said anything about my emotions, I'm talking about my experiences. Saying free will exists is so obvious it seems a blunt tautology.
There is no significance in saying what I experience does not exist as we are talking about what we experience in the first place.
firearms history and reloading
HEMA history
historical architecture
I need to start reading more Russian lit and military pomo
>>25215106
Please respect >>25215038's request.And stop using "your experience" as a form of objective truth.
>>25214778
programming and urban planning
>>25215065
That's part of the reason why I can't accept the orthodox view. It's somewhat hard to comprehend how Jesus has two natures of divinity and mortality/humanity. I'm not too familiar with the subject so I'm merely giving a rudimentary quick analysis on the matter so I'll probably have to read more on this issue. What sources would you recommend?
>>25215145
If it isn't objective truth, than you aren't discussing reality. Experience is reality as far as I am concerned.
Friendly reminder that Bartok was the only worthwhile composer of the 20th century and that the Concerto for Orchestra is probably the greatest orchestral work ever written.
>>25215145
>stop discussing this topic
>makes a comment about said topic
>
I watch numberphile in my spare time
That's kind of like studying
Music theory, esoteric religious practices, and physics.
>won't ever use them in my life
>>25214778
Renaissance art(I mainly just dowload and save everything I can find) and economics.
I spend a lot of time drawing and doing digital art, at least I used to.
>>25215278
>music theory
Please talk to me ;_;
>>25215186
>It's somewhat hard to comprehend how Jesus has two natures of divinity and mortality/humanity
Thats understandable, but I think a part of "understanding" is to understand that you can never really fully comprehend it 100%. This is God we're talking about here. With that in mind, nothing about it should be contradictory to our reasoning, only transcendental to it (only to an extent though).
As for sources, I've never really needed to consult anyone on the topic other than my bible, but some sites I use for a variety of other questions which you might find useful are Gotquestions.org Reasonablefaith.org desiringgod.org and ligonier.org. I also find James R White and RC Sproul to be reliable teachers on theological topics. Keep in mind, I don't agree with any of these sources fully, they're just my go to's.
>>25215278
>>25215286
http://youtu.be/r9LCwI5iErE
My heart and soul
>>25215297
For my view, God should be wholly logical when trying to comprehend him. That's why philosophical questions like the omnipotence paradox interest me as well the subsequent responses from theologians and philosophers because of their attempts to understand godhood.
Well I am still full NEET so nearly all of my time is free time.
That being said my favorite topic is Martal arts
There are tons of things I study and research, but my passion is martial arts without a doubt.
>>25215269
Hey same... I almost wanna become a math major even though I can't study for shit and my memory of concepts isn't good enough by itself without studying.
>>25215370
Do you take martial arts classes? What martial arts do you do/have interest in?
>>25215360
>For my view, God should be wholly logical when trying to comprehend him.
Why should He be? I think an omnipotent, infinite being should necessarily be incomprehensible to us simple, finite creatures. If you're looking to comprehend Christian God then you're out of luck, because scripture says specifically that nobody can understand Him. We can only understand what He chooses to reveal to us.
>>25214796
/tips fedora
So smart anon, you just have all intricacies of modern economics figured out.
>>25215065
He probably wasn't even real.
>>25215405
Perhaps I worded it wrong but in terms of comprehension, the ACTIONS of god in this universe should have some sort of degree of logic that follows the laws of the universe. Of course trying to comprehnd omnipotence itself is absurd, like trying to understand infinity.
>>25215326
This is pretty good introduction to theory. It's pretty basic but quite good for total beginners.
I like reading about different approaches at car tuning, specifically different mechanical solutions employed while building a turbo powered engine
>>25215065
What makes you believe that theory?
>>25215426
Tell that to Luke, Paul, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Tacitus, sir William Ramsay, and Gary Habermas
Oh, and Atheist historians like Bart Ehrman
>>25215442
>the ACTIONS of god in this universe should have some sort of degree of logic that follows the laws of the universe.
What laws? You mean like the moral laws of the universe?
>>25215471
It makes the most sense scripturally as far as I see
>>25215385
I am a part of a martial art club/class. The art I practice is Yongmudo Hapkido.
I love learning about/from a little of everything though. From history, move, weapons, entertainment, etc. if it is martial arts related then it is of great intrest to me.
>>25215481
>Tell that to Luke, Paul, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Tacitus, sir William Ramsay, and Gary Habermas
Oh, and Atheist historians like Bart Ehrman
Not the guy you're responding to, and I happen to be a sort of Christian...
But is there really a single piece of historical evidence of Jesus the man? There are references to Christians and to a Jesus that they follow, but that's like saying 'Bob' must exist because I report that the Church of the Subgenius follow a man named Bob.
Why would we even expect historical proof of Jesus?
>>25215550
>But is there really a single piece of historical evidence of Jesus the man?
Paul and Luke definitely spoke to eye witnesses whom had known Jesus. Paul even claimed to have spoken with His disciples and His brother James. We have no reason to believe Paul to be a liar.
Josephus also writes that the Jews of that time had suspected the disciples of stealing Jesus' body. This affirms not only that Jesus lived and died, but also that His tomb was found empty. If Jesus did not exist, then the Jews could have just said that and ended the movement right then and there.
Greek Philosophy
>>25215597
>Paul and Luke definitely spoke to eye witnesses...
This is not real evidence, though. Paul and 'Luke' were 'believers', which automatically brings their claims into question. Paul claims to have had divine\spiritual experiences and to have received knowledge and 'gifts' that most people today would consider magical...Luke writes about all sorts of fantastical, 'magical' goings on that the average person cannot take seriously except as a result of a massive leap of faith... so these people\authors aren't 'authoritative' even to be considered strong evidence.
What I'm really asking, and what most people are asking for - is for some sort of external (to the believers) evidence of his existence. We don't need to be reminded that believers believe he existed, that's obvious.
Josephus was writing about the movement of Christians and their claims, there's no reason to believe what he says about the Jews isn't something that the Christians were claiming. Can you provide the quote - does he actually claim that he has spoken to Jews who acknowledge his existence?
>>25215254
I actually quit talking about the topic and changed it to an advice. Anon used logical fallacies by claiming his subjective experiences can be used to make sound statements, which is obviously foolish and only leads to unstable arguments.
>>25215550
There is historical evidence for Jesus from the Romans apparently. Or at least that's what I learned from my basic history course in college
>>25215664
>Paul and 'Luke' were 'believers', which automatically brings their claims into question.
Why? What reason do they have to lie?
>>25215609
>Greek Sophistry
Ftfy senpai
>>25214778
History.
>tfw its fucking useless and I'm never going to get a job if I do a degree
>>25214880
>tfw Justinian I simultaneously did great things for Byzantium and ultimately doomed it
>>25215686
Ok, can you refer me to it? I often see people claim such evidence exists, but shouldn't everyone know what it is then?
>>25215690
Their testimony has only very limited value, in that they're believers. Paul for example according to Acts came to believe only through some sort of divine spiritual experience, a miracle. That he had never seen Jesus himself in his lifetime, only persecuted Jesus's followers. This narrative itself is part of Acts which was written by a believer. This may fit within the belief system that allows for miracles... but for an outside observer who hasn't made that 'leap of faith', it's not good evidence at all.
I could just as easily say "Why? What reason do they have to lie" when talking about a woman claiming she was raped under extraordinary circumstances. We know that women do sometimes (often) claim to have been raped when they haven't, that they sometimes claim rape when they only had sex, and if the circumstances don't fit with a normal frame of reality, it's good reason to suspect them.
Again, what people are asking for is historical evidence outside of the Church.
>>25215756
The standard you're holding our friend Paul to is far more strict than the mainstream historian. He quotes a hymn in 1 Corinthians that is dated to within a couple years (some say even months) within the the death of Christ.
>>25215733
>tfw its fucking useless and I'm never going to get a job if I do a degree
You could be president of the united states. I mean if bush could do it you can too.
>>25215609
what do you think of epicurus and negative hedonism
It has really sparked my intrest lately.
>>25215806
>The standard you're holding our friend Paul to is far more strict than the mainstream historian.
In all of Pauls writings and in the writings that mention Paul, there's no evidence that he ever saw Jesus in person. This in itself is enough to seriously question what value his word can have when it comes to the question "what concrete historical evidence exists that Jesus was a real person".
Talking about 'mainstream historians' is a rubbish thing to say. Who is a mainstream historian? Huge numbers of historians work for governments or for private organisations with motives of their own. The question is something that's open to everyone, not just historians - because history is a pretty simple matter of applying reason and demanding evidence.
As far as I'm aware, there is no objective evidence that Jesus as a man existed. This doesn't prove much at all, because the Christian writings themselves say that he was basically a nobody - in fact this is important to Christian belief. We don't really have objective evidence for MOST people who existed at the time. But please don't fabricate.
>He quotes a hymn in 1 Corinthians that is dated to within a couple years (some say even months) within the the death of Christ.
Sorry I'm not sure what you're saying here, could you clarify?
>>25215842
I don't want to get all depressing, but the lessons taught by history are ones most people will never want to learn.
>he spends christmas alone
top kek
>>25215877
>In all of Pauls writings and in the writings that mention Paul, there's no evidence that he ever saw Jesus in person
Because he didn't. but he spoke with people that did.
1 Corinthians 15
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
He's basically saying "these people saw Jesus, go ask them if you want to" to the Corinthians.
https://carm.org/questions/about-jesus/1-cor-153-4-demonstrates-creed-too-early-legend-corrupt
He is quoting an early creed used by the church
I'm going to sleep now, its almost 4 am and I have to work tomorrow. you can look up a guy named "Gary Habermas" if you wanna know more. Thank you for the pleasant discussion, good night, hope you guys enjoy my thread.
>>25215987
>1 Corinthians 15
Ok, so you're taking this letter from Paul as authoritative. Firstly, if you do so you're then going to deny the canonical gospels? Which show a different and varying order \ manner of appearance by Jesus? Secondly, Paul himself never saw the alive Jesus, but he claims to have 'seen' the resurrected Jesus... how would he recognise him having never seen him before? Can we then trust him when he says that these other people saw Jesus? Paul claims to have received information and knowledge through a 'spirit' - not through objective experience... so how do we know what he's claiming here about these other people seeing Jesus isn't also knowledge that he aquired through this spirit?
Can you really expect a non-believer to accept the claims about the spirit having this power... in order to defend the historical existence of Jesus??
Japanese and music
I suck at both desu
>>25216330
that is what practise is for
