Socialism thread.
>MFW Berniegrad Gulags will be filled with worthless reactionaries
He will also make anime real
Sanders is the only one who I know my benefits are safe if he wins so I will be supporting him. My grandma has dementia and I am getting her ready to vote for him too.
Socialism works well in Australia but Americucks seem to think it won't work for them because of all the debt.
>>25211202
Socialism literally works well all over the world. But Americucks won't exept that, cuz muh freedomss
>>25211297
The statistics don't support that though.
You probably don't know much about economics.
>socialism in non-white countries
>working
Enjoy paying for all those mexicans and niggers Berniebot.
>>25211331
>omg he said something good about socialism, let me pull le epic economics meme
You see, I'm German. My country is oretty much socialist, we have loads of gov regulation on the market, pretty gucking high income taxes and almost no poverty whatsoever.
Plus, we pretty much have the strongest economy in Europe.
>>25211387
>dismissing economics
Literally the only thing relevant to the conversation you fucking uneducated nigger.
Holy shit. I wanted someone to refute what I said and back their argument up using proper data.
I assume that's impossible?
>>25211387
You fucked up by saying you're German. Now he's just gonna make some stupid comment about you getting cucked by refugees and pretend he won the argument.
>>25211489
Oh you got me all figured out anon!
10/10.
>>25211473
>wants people to back up arguments using data
>uses no data
Gee, I wonder why nobody bothers. 0/10 apply yourself.
If Bernie wins, wealth distribution will happen along racial lines, not class lines. Don't delude yourself. If you're a white working class man, you will have the same miserable life while Tyrone and Jose get all sorts of government assistance.
>>25211387
>Socialist Heaven
>No planned economy
>No shared ownership of the means of production
>No market socialism
You live in a capitalist society with high taxes, kraut
>>25211473
Well, as I said, economics supports my argument for (moderate) socialism.
If you want some fucking chart I pulled off Google in 20 seconds, here you go, faggot.
>>25211533
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion
Here's something fairly simple to start you off.
Most leftists don't even know what GDP is which isn't particularly surprising.
>>25211553
Well, Bernie Sanders doesn't want to institute a planned economy either you faggot.
America under Sanders would probably be similar to current Germanywhich is a good thing
>>25211554
>he a leftist
>he also a lazy negro
You're blowing my mind.
>>25211602
God, you're so fucking stupid. Do you seriously think that this data is applicable to the current situation? Get some recent data, faggot
>>25211610
>Current germany
>A good thing
It's going to be the Caliphate of Deutch, soon. Plus, the only reason you have no poverty is no niggers. You have niggers now, good going.
Also
>Free Money
>Good
Africa has been ruined by Well Intentioned "LMAO FREE SHIT" idiots. HERE'S YOUR FREE MONEY AFRICAN- OOPS WE CRASHED YOUR ECONOMY. Fuck off
>>25211632
>he ran out of arguments
>"y..your just a stupid negro ;_;"
You're blowing my mind.No power to ad hominem
>>25211331
You probably know a lot about economics.
Ron Paul revolution, right?
>>25211691
You didn't present anything to me.
What the hell was I supposed to say?
>>25211202
>>25211297
It absolutely will not work at all in America. Socialism would completely destroy the economy, which is already bad enough.
>>25211695
I have no political affiliation and I'm not familiar with /pol/-tier memes.
>>25211688
I was obviously talking about our economic system, not about our immigration politics. We've had niggers (aka Kebab) here for ages. Guess what, still no poverty.
Again, free healthcare and such do not have a negative impact on the economy as long as taxes are raised.
Over all, nice but ineffective strawman.
>>25211709
I literally backed up my argument with statistics. Stay mad
>>25211553
this. no one seems to care what socialism actually means anymore.
>>25211724
>It absolutely will not work at all in America
Back that prognosis up, please.
>>25211768
You didn't comment on the statistics, leading me to doubt that you even know what they mean.
You didn't even provide a source.
>>25211772
You realize that economics and politics is not simply an either/or matter right?
You can have a healthy mix of capitalism and socialism (see almost every European country), which is fairly close to what Sanders is proposing.
>>25211822
A healthy mix of capitalism and socialism is still a capitalist system.
Socialism is more like a religious ideology. People who believe in it don't understand how the real world works and the usually don't have real jobs.
>>25211804
Do I need to spoonfeed every bit of information to you, you fucking burger?
Cutting taxes doesn't stimulate the economy.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf
>>25211873
Well alright, then it still is a capitalist system. You can still take elements of socialism and integrate them into said capitalist system. Like almost every European country has done. And guess what, it's working.
Read some Ludwig Erhard.
>>25211822
you cant have a healthy mix of capitalism and socialism. government regulation and taxes arent the same thing as socialism.
by definition, socialism means the workers own the means of production. bernie can call himself a socialist all he wants, but at the end of the day he's just a social democrat. ive yet to hear him say he supports the government taking over the private sector.
>>25211941
America can't do it though because all their corporations will leave apparently.
Is that the main argument?
>>25211897
If you're not interested in sticking up for a socialist system then fuck off.
I'm only interested in people who know what they're talking about.
You just sound like a typical NEET /pol/ user.
>>25211980
>socialism means the workers own the means of production
Why shouldn't the workers own the means of production?
They're the ones doing the work right?
>>25212003
I don't think I have a reaction image for this.
Seriously, read a book on economics. You've gone full retard my friend
>>25212003
im not trying to critique socialism, im simply commenting on what it is.
>>25211980
Well, then he is a social democrat. Why does that matter, who gives a shit?
>>25211941
>it's working.
>Had to dismantle empires to pay for it
>>25212012
which one? presumably one that's in line with your capitalist line of thinking. it's so stupid to say "read a book" on a subject with so many different viewpoints.
>>25212012
>You've gone full retard
By asking a simple question?
Simply ebin memes btw.
CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP
TRUMPINGTHATBOTTOO
>>25212058
>Knows nothing of economics
>Pushes socialism
Hmmm, I'm noticing a pattern here
>Refuses to share his 'knowledge' about economics
>Is actually underage
>Pushes C.u.c.kitalism
Hmmm, I'm noticing a faggot here.
>>25210013
i filled your mum with worthless reactionaries last night faget
>>25211988
Corporations won't leave. Wanna know why? Because America would still have amazing location factors. Sit down and do a bit of location analysis.
As to the data, let me explain that to you again.
Germany's economics are definitely leftist. Germany has the strongest economy in Europe (which is supported by those statistics). I can therefore assume that instituting "socialist" (meaning social, meaning leftist) politics does not always result in economic breakdown.
>bernie fags think they'll even get a chance to vote for him
>>25212029
why have a word with no strict definition? kind of confusing. if someone says they're a socialist, i don't know if they mean they like bernie sanders's politics or karl marx's.
but beyond that, it allows people on the right to make cheap attacks on democrats. "look at bernie he's a socialist like mussolini!"
>>25212037
You're really grasping at straws here, aren't you?
>>25210013
I don't care for socialism but reactionaries really are worthless degenerates.
>socialism doesn't work because its inherently flawed!
>neoreaction doesn't work because its everybody else's fault!
fucking dumb
>>25210013
Fuck off back to /r/politics. Not even /pol/ wants anything to do with barney
>>25212166
and i know mussolini was a fascist, but people still say this.
>>25210013
You forgot cuba and how its a shithole.
>>25211297
Works all over the world because every other country has a nonexistent military thanks to america. Dont get too uppity you fucking cuck state.
>>25212166
Well, you Americans use the word socialist so loosely, it describes any leftist, really. Bernie probably just stuck with it after people called him a socialist. Here in Europe we would call a politican like him a democrat. He wouldn't even be regarded as a socialist
>>25212232
You don't HAVE to spend that much on your military, you realize that, right?
>>25212189
This picture made me stomach bern
>>25212213
>be moderately sized island nation next to economic super-power.
>surprised that economy suffers when a trade blockade and embargo is put in place by said super-power.
>>25212244
i know that's what im saying
america's political spectrum is very far to the right. there's no prominent labor party, so people see bernie as a radical and believe he's a socialist .
>>25211749
I'm not that other anon but you don't get it. Germany had a racially homogenous, generally wealthy population. The USA has niggers in ghettos. Our average income is comparable to yours but our poor niggers are balanced out by rich people. This is a totally different society from one like yours. Socialist policies don't help these people, it makes it worse. They only live to exploit the system for their personal gain. They have no investment or allegiance to the community or even themselves.
>>25212266
yes we do the evil towel heads are coming.
you see, it's the government's duty to protect its people. not from hunger or disease, but from muslims.
>>25212332
>They only live to exploit the system for their personal gain.
you're right. i live in memphis. all the poor people here are thriving off government benefits. they live in mansions and eat lobster for dinner while sitting on their asses all day. it's not like what the government is giving them is the bare minimum to survive.
>>25212332
What are you, a faggot? We have shitloads of turks and arabs. Ever been to Kreuzberg?
Also, we have a moderately rich population *because* of those leftist policies. We don't have any super (supersuper) rich people, but also almost no poverty. That seem familiar? Looks like redistributed wealth to me.
>>25212407
>>25212332
Also, maybe you need to change the attitude of your (negroid) population.
>>25212332
>acknowledges that income inequality is bad in the US
>promotes supply-side economics which objectively exacerbate the inequality
>>25212447
irony is lost on this one
>>25212342
Did you know that you could literally teleport IS to the Texan boarder, assume that the American army doesn't exist and armed Americans would still outnumber IS fighters by the millions?
You need a military. But not that big. No way.
>>25212467
Straaaaaaaaaaaawmaaaaaaaaaan. Sorry, I had to.
most of those people "exploiting" the system already have jobs and still struggle to get by. sorry i had to.
>>25210013
It sure is great to not have toilet paper to wipe your ass, comrade!
>>25212452
Shit people who do shit work deserve shit pay. Now fuck off libcuck.
>>25210063
You won't get the chance to vote for him because he's not going to be the democrat nominee
>>25212502
what a lifestyle! this makes me want to quit my job, so i can exploit the system, too.
>>25212470
>you could literally teleport IS to the Texan boarder
ISIS is not going to sneak into your country. You are going to let them in willingly and treat them better than your mexican slaves.
>>25212554
right, someone who works 40 hours a week on their feet shouldn't make enough money to live above the poverty line. it's not like those ceos can take a pay cut.
you're every rich republican's dream citizen
>>25211543
there's a lot of wealth to redistribute
I'm voting for trump in the hopes of societal collapse btw 3bh
>>25212595
agree with this. hillary would be more of the same, but trump would probably be so bad that the whole country would shift to the left and the republican party as we know it would crumble.
>>25212554
what do you deem "shit work." fast food jobs are harder than most white collar jobs that involve sitting behind a desk and punching numbers all day.
>>25212564
Again, you need to change the attitude of your population. Those that openly leech off the system need to be shunned and treated badly. This will get rid of many of those people.
We have people that leech off welfare here, but that percentage is really slim. It has no real influence on our economy.
>>25212648
Holy shit you're retarded
You're making it really obvious you've never done anything beyond flipping burgers.
>>25212589
Wtf does standing on your feet have to do with the federal poverty line? If you have literally no skills to offer an employer why do you expect to get paid more than others? Where do dumb faggots like you think this money is coming from? You aren't old enough to have ever worked for a living so you just think there is free money everywhere and the big old mean gop is hoarding it all. Too selfish to share it with you when you have no values or skills.
>>25212554
>Shit people who do shit work deserve shit pay
Just because some people are too stupid to get a "real" job doesn't mean they deserve to live below the poverty line.
>>25212668
I currently have a job in accounting. When I was younger I worked at a Chick-fil-a for a year, and it was much more demanding than my current job.
>>25212727
>currently have a job in accounting.
Well we know why you to come to /r9k/. You're boring as fuck.
>>25212712
I didn't tell them to fuck around in high school. I didn't tell them to have a litter of shitlets at the age of 14. And I didn't tell them to be irresponsible degenerates. Why should I have to pay the rest of their shitty paycheck?
>>25212771
What state are you from? I'm guessing somewhere in the southern half of the US.
Reminder:
free market>controlled economies
Marx>whatever dumbshit capitalists read
>>25212687
you're absolutely right there isnt enough money for blue collar workers to be paid more. the ceos and higher ups are barely getting by as is.
>more than others
really? you think $7.25/hr is close to fast food workers getting paid more than other people?
>>25212823
This isn't a fucking charity you dumb nigger. We don't pay people more 'because we can' and because 'those stupid CEO's make too much money'. A company only pays you more than minimum wage if they have to pay you more to keep you around. If you are worth more than what they're paying you then quit and work for someone else. Lol just kidding we already have burger flippers so if you want $40 per hour for this shit you can get fucked. I'll hire another dumbass for $8.
The reason you are poor is not because the McDonald's ceo gets paid too much. It's because you can be replaced by any dumb burger flipper and you have no value. You should spend your time worrying about how you provide so little value for society and yourself. Anyone who makes something of value makes good money.
>mfw people in this thread refer to keynesian economics as socialism
>mfw despite this mistake, keynesian redistribution is actually good for the economy in general.
