What is your memeless opinion on gender equality?
>>25199542
>we need more female CEO's!
>sure, but by that logic we'd also need more female coalmine workers
>no thats a man's job!
It's already been established since the 1980s and is slowly turning into sexism towards men.
It's a worthwhile cause.
>>25199542
there should be gender equality
the government shouldnt do anything to force it though, let the market sort this shit out.
>>25199542
people should be judged on ability, not gender. if that means more men are able to do one job so be it, same for a woman.
If you complain about gender equality and you live in a first world country you should end yourself
>>25199542
>What is your memeless opinion on gender equality?
Unfortunately not compatible with human nature. A beta male like me would actually profit from real equality. Patriarchy isn't too kind to beta males. But with male and female nature given the way it is, gender equality won't work and trying to impose it will make everything even more worse. And then eventually result in misandry and the oppression of men.
>>25199542
females and males arent equal. nobody is equal, hence why society works. but frankly, that doesnt mean one is 'lower'. the two genders (yes there's two, gtfo tumblr) have different things to offer that cannot be compared fairly. I can respect a female who understands this.
>>25199542
People tend to disagree on how to achieve it.
Feminists are getting ahead of themselves when they assume that there should be a 50/50 distribution in every field. I think the better goal is to just make sure people aren't discriminated unjustly because of their gender. Or that gender roles steer people's choices in an overt way.
Norway's "equality paradox" is probably the realistic end-goal for gender equality. When given total freedom people will chose professions that suit them, which means profession that suit their gender since gender is part of your personality. In china where everyone is poor the women are becoming engineers out of necessity.
If you live in the better parts of the west you can relax and stop thinking about gender equality.
It's only fair. ten years ago, before it stood for other things, I probably would have called myself a feminist.
affirmative-action type shit annoys me a little bit, but I'm willing to put up with it. both me and society have bigger problems, and who knows, maybe it'll work.
>Personally
Completely equal baseline until proven otherwise on a person by person basis.
>Professionally
Full meritocracy. You are nothing but your skill and contribution to your field.
This is the first civilized and intelligent thread I've seen on this website in 3 years.
>>25199875
because OP said "memeless"
that makes a major difference
>>25199708
yea right equality
being an average male is way worse than being an average woman-that's just how it is
and let me tell you, most men and women are average
>>25199912
It really does. I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying but they're giving actual reasons and not arguing holy shit.
We need to kill memes.
>>25199918
women can vary, you can't say they 100% have it easier than every man off the bat. Men vary too, i mean look at us betas vs chad. It's all random, honestly.
I think if we're gonna do it we gotta do it FULLY
like right now for example women can skip out on Jury Duty with no problem if they want, men can't, yet you won't ever see women talking about that, they only care about the things that men can do but they can't
>>25200119
I've been able to skip jury duty mate, they're pretty good about it if you have a reason (ie in my case the flu)
>>25199542
A lost cause.
>>25199560
>>25199650
This
Nothing is wrong with gender equality. But people fail to realize what gender equality means. It doesn't mean compensating for what a gender lacks by giving more benefits nor does it mean to have some sort of "make up for the past" agenda. It means equality in the sense of having opportunities or in the eyes of law and social order.
On a mental, physical and physiological level however, nobody is equal. But how they are treated in society as citizens, can be.
Its bad. Women are dumber, lazier, and weaker than men. No reason for them to be in the workforce.
>>25200175
this is perfectly correct, one of the rare times where political correctness is actually true
>>25200181
this is /r9k/
The only people that are probably equal to one another are identical twins. Even then that is only biological. Everything else is horse shit.
The word equality is misleading and invites unecessarry quarreling over petty biological differences. It's not less bad if a woman hits a man, it's bad to hit. It's not more important that women get raped rather than men, it's important that no one gets raped. Once we begin to pick and choose about our ideals it all goes to shit.
>>25199542
It's not possible, thanks to a little scientific fact called "sexual dimorphism".
>>25200211
>this is /r9k/
Yes and so is the reality of most women.
>>25199542
Depends how you define equality. Equality of opportunity and process (I.E. women aren't barred from anything or given special treatment) is fine.
>>25200245
Do you speak to all women on the face of the earth on a regular basis? If not you can't say for certain what each one can offer to the workforce.
>>25200212
Even if both twins have 100% the same dna at birth, they will change during their life due to different environmental impacts. So even twins are not biologically identical.
>>25200261
that's what the actual meaning of gender equality is, but then idiots take it the wrong way and think it literally means all men and women are equal aside from genitallia.
>>25200275
There are peer-reviewed statistics that allow me to say these things. Most women are, not all.
>>25200292
but gender equality is already established in the first world, there is no way of debating over this issue.
>>25200278
Yeah, I know. I went to school with a set of twins and even they who once did everything together have developed individuality. I think one of them is pretty much a failure and the other I know is highly successful.
>>25200293
then you should put that in
you implied you were talking about all women
also where are these stats, I sort of want to see them. No offense but it sounds incorrect and I just want to see where you're getting them.
Well first of physically sexual dimorphism is obviously a thing and you'd have to be retarded to ignore that. As for everything else, people should be judged on their own merits and their gender/sex shouldn't factor into that at all.
>>25200315
Yeah, that's why the argument is so damn stupid. It's idiots who don't know the context of equality in the term that spark bullshit.
>>25200292
By a legal standpoint they should be. The only gray areas are things like abortion, entrapment, things surrounding reproductive rights and the only reason women are usually favored is because they have to physically go through the process of chuldbirth. She will still lose custody if she is a supreme fuck up and the problem lies in the fact that most men fail to prove how much of an idiot their ex really is.
>>25200315
Women aren't allowed to try out for various military positions. They were just allowed to become Navy SEALs in the summer. I'm not saying that they'd pass the standards, but true equality would give them the chance.
>>25200361
>The only gray areas are things like abortion, entrapment,
What do you mean by entrapment?
>>25200347
>This
and to add it to the context of THIS PLACE specifically, r9k with the fembot issue, I think that we should remember the actual point of this site is complete blank-slate anonimity. We shouldn't really talk about our genders on here technically.
>>25200181
I want to be in the workforce because I want my own income so that I don't need to depend on a piece of shit who thinks he can lord over me and make me miserable and unhappy because I depend on him to live. If I can't live on my terms, I'd rather kill that piece of shit too.
>>25200361
Yeah, as >>25200373 asked, what the hell do you mean by entrapment?
But yeah, that's politics for you though. It's better than it used to be though.
>>25199542
I'm for removing gender-specific legal restrictions for behaviour. Equality of outcomes is something I'm not interested in.
>>25200334PloxPlsblox
>>25200425
that's a screencap
I meant like give me a link to whatever study you're referring to. like a site? you said you got it from statistics.
>>25200366
>but true equality would give them the chance.
Not a rational mindset if you know simple biological facts like muscle and strength differences between the genders.
>>25200387
This. I want my own money and I want to decide my own life for myself. Any man who tries to strip that away from me deserves death.
>>25200373
When you are a trailer trash hambeast living with mom and get pregnant, and you want the baby regardless of the father's say in the matter. It should be your right to have sex with someone too genetically fucked up to reproduce with just as it's their right to have sex at all. Reproductive licenses should be awarded with equal opportunity in mind, but not on the premise that just having functional reproductive organs is good enough.
>>25200464
I say let them try, frankly. Even if by biological fact they can't get in, it would still seem like it's fair.
I believe we've made great strides towards true equality and women are basically equal under the law. Unfortunately, modern feminists don't realize that for culture to change we need time. People need to learn how to live in thos new world. They are trying too hard to force social change and it is backfiring and fueling a return to misogyny. I'm normally not one to resort to the whole "shoving values down our throats" meme, but that really is what radical feminists seem tp be doing these days. I realize that its important to raise awareness, but the at the same time they seem to have it out for gamers, nerd, and generally the type of guys that would normally white knight. It just seems contradictory to me that they are attacking, for lack of a better word, "nerd" media, when sexism generally comes from more masculine, aggressive men. They seem to be trying to alienate the only people who might have supported them and understood them.
>>25200505
Would you let a 4'0 apply as a doorman?
It would make it "seem fair", but you want people "fit" for the job.
>>25200566
Anyone can apply to anything retard, doesn't mean they get accepted.
>>25200566
a doorman? as in like one of those people who holds doors at a hotel? Sorry if I'm being stupid and that's not what you're talking about. It probably isnt since height doesn't really matter as long as you can reach the handle
Also, let anyone apply but only allow people who actually fit in. most jobs work like that.
>>25200464
That's more practical (ie, time-saving) than it is rational. Because even if statistically, men have more musculature and strength than women and there was a correlation between that advantage and passing the tests, there would still be exceptions that you'd be denying just for the sake of being "rational."
>>25200566
Manlets can apply to be doormen too. Their resumes get laughed at and into the trash they go, but none can deny them their individual right to try. Same goes for everyone including women.
>>25200614
Additionally: You don't want women at the front because they are mentally not fit for the job.
>http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-the-rafs-first-woman-fast-jet-pilot-i-know-we-need-to-question-the-psychological-effects-of-war-a6773846.html
Men and women are not equal. Neither physically, not psychologically. Wanting them to be equal is crazy. Treating them as equals is absurd.
Social equality is wishful thinking and if you fall for it you're getting rused by people who profit from it. Hint: that most likely isn't you.
>>25200566
If you don't even let people try, how will they know though?
>>25199542
People should be equal, but equal doesn't mean more women in more fields of a particular study - it just means all genders have the same opportunity and treatment in these fields.
>>25200657
>>25200627
>>25200611
>>25200598
Badly phrased, didn't mean nobody under a certain height shouldn't be able to apply for job A or B. Second part is more important.
>>25200656
that's the issue. 'gender equality' doesn't actually mean equal. The political term means equal chances at jobs in the workforce without gender bias. People don't get that, hence why debates arise.
>>25200651
Russian female plane bombers in WWII didn't have so much trouble bombing the shit out of nazis.
>"Night Witches" is the English translation of Nachthexen, a World War II German nickname for the female military aviators of the 588th Night Bomber Regiment, known later as the 46th "Taman" Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment, of the Soviet Air Forces. The regiment was formed by Colonel Marina Raskova and led by Major Yevdokia Bershanskaya.
>The regiment flew harassment bombing and precision bombing missions against the German military from 1942 until the end of the war. At its largest, it had 40 two-person crews. It flew over 23,000 sorties and is said to have dropped 3,000 tons of bombs. It was the most highly decorated female unit in the Soviet Air Force, each pilot having flown over 800 missions by the end of the war and twenty-three having been awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union title. Thirty of its members died in combat.
>>25200694
It's because reactionaries hear "affirmative action" and not "gender equality," to them there is no difference.
>>25200714
Again, they tend to be.
Physically AND mentally strong women are a statistically rarity.
>>25200387
>>25200478
You were brainwashed by jews to think that white men hate white women. We love you and we have sacrificed our lives for you and our children for thousands of years.
Thinking the threat of some asshole who wants to abuse you is just around the corner is nothing but fiction perpetuated by greedy kikes who want to have a cheap workforce. Broken families without a sense of culture and heritage are also more easily manipulated, and thus more easily made to spend money on whatever useless crap kikes have you believe is "trendy" right now.
Don't fall for jewish schemes and realize who's on your side and who isn't.
>>25199542
Dumb and forced.
If nature intended both genders to be equal then we would've been made with the same capabilities, and by promoting a gender that would otherwise be inferior in order to create "equality" you're just handing out a privilege, thus making things unequal as they will be rewarded more for less effort.
>>25200728
It pisses me off. Like, at least Google an issue before becoming a political 'genius' debating why vaginas and penises are the exact same thing or something along those lines.
Also, give it 10 years or less, 'non binary' and 'gender fluid' gender equality 'issues' will start popping up
it's worse for me since candafag and fucking trudeau doesn't want to offend anyone
>>25200651
>>25200464
The point is that everybody should be given the chance to measure up. There shouldn't be exclusions based on what correlation in studies someone has made. That would be like saying it's impossible to make yourself stronger or impossible to train your mind.
There should be qualifications measured and expectations spelled out so that if they don't make it, they don't make it.
Who knows, maybe most women wouldn't ever measure up, but now they can't say they didn't get to try.
People don't realize how much having the chance to do something means. It means more than being successful.
>>25200751
Wow, you need a road map for this post.
>>25200694
>>25200728
Women should not, I repeat, SHOULD NOT have equal chances in the workforce. Women are the bottleneck of human growth. If women don't bear children, then there won't be any. Women are to be valued and protected, otherwise the tribe (or nation) dies from lack of offspring.
Wanting women to work jobs 40h a week is absolutely crazy and directly results in birthrates that are too low to sustain a population. It's the reason why governments panic and import millions of shitskins thinking this will save the broken work policies of their nations, but even immigrants have been observed to adapt their birth rates to the native population.
It's because the core policies surrounding women, work and family are BROKEN and must be overhauled completely.
>>25200743
We're talking about individuals here. It is unfair, unjust and discriminatory (not to mention utterly stupid since it's waste of talent and resources) to deny those women who fit the requirements the right to pursue their job simply because people who are not them don't. One is responsible for herself, not for what people unrelated to her do or how people unrelated to her are.
>>25200813
What exactly did you not understand? Or are you just trying to discredit what I've said because it doesn't fit your world view? How many shekels do you receive for your internet activism?
>>25200816
Birth rates become low when the ratio of quality of breeding stock vs the total population is too distant. Not because women took our jerbs. If there weren't so many goddamn people looking to support themselves or simply validate their existence, we wouldn't have this problem. It's still more of a threat that jobs are being lost to technology.
>/r9k/ being generally civil on this topic
>not calling everyone more feminist than ISIS a roastie
Well I'll be damned.
>>25200743
>Physically AND mentally strong women are a statistically rarity.
It doesn't matter. Not all those "statistical" rarities will be adamant on joining the field, they might even be discouraged. Why lose an increase in potential assets because of a generalization?
Generalizations aren't even correct nor any logical way to proceed on anything. You're essentially promoting ignorance and loss, while claiming that men have the sole responsibility to make up for it. You're putting more pressure on men and aiding the feminist agenda by taking away their right to the same responsibilities. Women live in this country, make them fight for it.
>>25200858
I know, I wish we all had these debates more often. I don't agree with everything but I see the reasoning with "FUUUUCK OFF NORMIIIIEEEEE" everywhere
>>25200825
Exactly, based anon.
I get why people use correlation studies to point out the likelihood of something, but to use them to literally shut down possibility itself is all too common and semi-horrifying.
>>25200845
So you think the Western gene pool has simply degenerated over 1-2 generations in ALL Western countries? Coincidentally all of those countries being free market countries endorsing "equal opportunity" for men and women?
Do you have anything to back this up? I mean, the general decline of genetic quality in ALL of the Western world?
>>25200889
>>25200825
Let individuals who pass the test get the job.
>>25200751
If you loved me you would shut up and let me do as I want, since you'd understand hat I am perfectly capable and responsible for myself and don't need your fussing. You don't, you treat me like I'm not a person on the same level as you, therefore you do not love me at all. Rather, you are nothing but a threat and harm to me.
>Thinking the threat of some asshole who wants to abuse you is just around the corner is nothing but fiction
Considering you have already stated you want to deprive me of my means of freedom, power and independence; the threat is real.
>>25199542
Equal rights and opportunity are important. "Equality" beyond that is stupid, and shit like AA and gender quotas in the work force seriously harm our economy and our society as a hole.
>>25200845
Thing to keep in mind: one of the best predictors of high birth rates are high infant death rates. Also there was a lot more incentive to make babies when everyone was a family farmer; even the higher birth rates at the beginning of the 20th century were low by historical standards.
>>25200912
But you literally just said "Women who might pass the test not allowed even though they are individuals too".
>>25200858
Good to see this board is getting more mature and rational, right?
>>25200816
believing in the infinite growth meme
>>25199542
An ideal. As such, we cannot possibly attain it (lest biology suddenly decides that there actually are no differences between man and woman), but we should strive towards it.
>>25200816
Are you trying to say women shouldn't work and a man should take care of them or that we should force women into positions where it's either they are near homeless or are someone's fucktoy?
Do people think before they post things like "_____ should not have equal chances in ___ _____" because if you want to raise healthy children, you do it with both parents well educated, with workplace experience.
The last thing you want is to raise a child with a woman who just sits on her ass. Why breed in a genetic lottery of "hope he gets the fathers genes" when both could be perfecting themselves body and mind to pass it along?
Two poor, hopelessly retarded people more often tha not, start out NOT wanting to procreate beyond their means and end up doing it out of desperation for love, helplessness, unimpeded biological need and sometimes they really just do it for the benefits. Impoverished people shouldn't be given incentives to keep milking the welfare tit by expanding a family. Those designated to breed, as surrogate parents of the state, is a step in the direction we should head. But no one here takes this seriously enough to admit that it all ties together, that the root of the problem lies with those who prey on the poor/immigrants/unwitting expectant mothers who were told all their lives that they are doing the right thing no matter who they are.
>>25200987
Remember, the marginal utility of births has decreased, as I said here >>25200953
>>25200954
I apologize I tried to explain why women are so rare in the military so nobody would try to artificially argue for some 50/50 politics.
Again, women will be less presented in certain jobs duo to inherent biological traits. This leads to a high percentage of men compared to women. On the individual level this shouldn't mean that there are NO women fit for the job. Its just that women TEND to be less fit for it.
>>25200911
>western countries, including much of Europe
>free market
Only in the sense of not being outright command economies.
>>25200912
That's exactly what I'm saying.
You're the one who said to keep women down even if they measure up. I'm saying let them try to measure up, keep them if they do, ditch them if they don't. As it should be.
>>25199542
>Women should be paid the same for the same work and not complain if someone doing a totally different job makes more than them.
>Women shouldn't be raped, but then again, niether should men.
>Not all men are rapists in the same way that not all mothers kill their children
>Sexual promiscuity makes no one happy and ruins any chance for a nuclear family to be created
>If someone cheats, they are a whore REGARDLESS of gender. Women like to forget that being seen as a womanizer was a bad thing, and somehow being a woman and "acting like a man" makes them persecuted and not morally wrong.
>Custody should go to the most fit parent, not the one with a vagina
>Women should be taken off of the pedestal. You want to be equal? You pay for dinner.
>>25200816
If you don't want me to work, I demand the right to 3/4 of your income, by law, to be mine no questions or complains allowed, no getting the money back, and I also demand the right to spend and use it as I please without any accountability whatsoever towards you. I want my own means to freedom, power, wealth and independence, and if you want to deny me that it's your duty to maintain me according exclusively to MY wants and wishes. That means you shut the fuck up and hand over the money, slave. Also, I will only bear the children of those I and only I see fit to reproduce.
>>25201013
This. My friend's mom sits around on her ass on pills all day and as soon as the husband makes enough to blow on some dumb renovations on a house with no resale value, she is ready to quit her 20 hr job whether or not he supports her habit. But the pills make her cook and clean, as long as she can get them. All the kids see is someone 10x more immature than them flipping out every time things aren't going perfectly for them. The dad becomes withdrawn and doesn't give a shit as long as they can keep up the appearance of a stable household. This is NOT the type of people I want setting the status quo in my country.
>>25201028
Generalizations are stupid and useless though, so your post was a serious waste of server bandwidth.
What I think is stupid is how women think they're getting revenge on me by treating me like shit. Revenge for what? I was never part of the oppressive patriarchy of the past. I just happened to be born with a dick in a world that had already been fixed. I don't flirt with and sexually harass girls. I leave them alone. I don't try to buy them drinks at the bar so they'll fuck me. But they attack me as though I'm the perpetrator of everything. Of course I'm going to fight back now. I'll fight women and the real targets.
>>25200751
> for thousands of years.
For thousands of years most women worked (outside of home). In tribal hunter-gatherer societies women did most of gathering. In agricultural societies peasant women worked in fields. Female slaves worked (at homes and plantations too). Female children slaves worked. During industrial revolution women and girls worked in factories, even in mines. Only aristocratic and upper middle class women didn't work.
>>25201124
>Generalizations are stupid and useless though
Statistical likelihoods aren't stupid or useless. They just shouldn't be treated as gospel.
>>25201013
Women have, for thousands of years, been nurses, educators, artists and craftspeople of various sorts (sewing, stitching, decorating, painting, ...). This type of work still brings joy to them.
Women are fragile and delicate creatures. Giving them equal opportunities as men is CRAZY. Allowing them to work in hard manual labor is CRAZY. Allowing them to the front lines in war is CRAZY. Pretending they can shoulder the same weight as men is CRAZY.
Women and men are different from each other. They can perfect themselves in their specific roles which are dictated by their natural purpose, which they have evolved for. This whole "reverse gender roles and fuck traditions xD"-meme started with disgusting hippies who smoked too much weed and listened to communist music.
>>25200987
It's not a meme. There is near infinite space in the universe for us to explore. If Earth becomes too crowded, you go to another planet. But willingly culling your population and thereby weakening it severely is INSANE unless you have a deathwish.
>>25201141
>What I think is stupid is how women think they're getting revenge on me by treating me like shit. Revenge for what? I was never part of the oppressive patriarchy of the past.
I never get this vibe from any women except maybe really radical feminists. If anything, I get this feeling more from blacks. I didn't own slaves and I wouldn't have owned slaves back in the day, either.
>>25201155
You are the one that's treating them as gospel though, here we care about the individual. Why do you keep whining when you've already had your shit slapped?
>>25201190
Lol, I'm not the person you were talking to before. Just wanted to point out that some generalizations can be useful if they are backed up statistically.
>>25201147
Aristocratic and upper middle class men didn't work either, or if they did, they had comfy pushy jobs that were more a hobby taken seriously just like their female counterparts.
>>25201166
You're CRAZY
>>25201166
>If Earth becomes too crowded, you go to another planet
Just how fucking stupid are you? You think this is Star Trek?
>>25201217
Useful for what? Destroying good potential because you don't like someone's gender?
>>25201060
All Western nations are at their core free market economies. People offer their labor for a fee. People sell their goods for a fee. There is no commissar telling you to work for the glory of the country and there is no bureau dictating your company to produce only 1000 cars per month.
I agree that most European countries, including my own, have replaced some freedoms with government intervention, and we are approaching the command economy with our hardon for social justice and wealth distribution.
i look around and i see women who are happy.
i look around and i see men who can barely find the will to crack a smile.
i see this every single day for years and years and years.
what more science and proof and stats do i need to see????? the proof is in the pudding.
and we are getting more and more out of touch with one another.
what happens when everything women like, i hate?
>>25200334
For mental differences :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_intelligence#Current_research_on_general_intelligence
For physical differences :
Look at any sport event.
>>25201254
He's probably not stupid, just highly uneducated.
>>25201257
Useful in medicine, engineering, etc.
>>25201254
Do you believe space travel is absolutely unachievable? If so, why?
>>25201246
Nice argument faggot kike
It's gone way past 'as good as it needs to be'
>>25201166
>Women are fragile and delicate creatures
>Dorothea Puente earned her grisly nickname because of the heartless crimes she carried out in her Sacramento, California boarding house. Her motive: money. Over the course of six years, Puente poisoned numerous elderly and mentally disabled boarders in order to collect their Social Security checks.
>>25201282
>He doesn't agree with me, therefore he is uneducated
Point out the flaw in my reasoning and I'll explain it to you in smaller steps if necessary. But this is just an unnecessary punch below the belt because you're too lazy to discuss the issue at hand honestly.
I support it but I genuinely think it is impossible.
If society really was a meritocracy with no quotas women would be absolutely screwed over.
And getting quotas instead of meritocracy undermines equality. So, it's just impossible, I'd like to see genders just working together with what they have instead of dumb fuckng quotas and free passes.
>>25201295
Again, for what purpose? Destroying good potential because you don't like someone's gender?
>>25201124
My phrasing was bad, I apologize again. I am merely bringing arguments to dump down any try to establish 50/50 politics just for the sake of being "equal". Not allowing women certain jobs is futile due to NAWALT argument and I am not against women if they are fit for the job.
I am for Equality before the law.
>>25201338
>poison
She might be greedy and cold-hearted, but she's still fragile and a regular man would crush her any day physically. Poison is usually a woman's weapon, so what is this supposed to prove?
>>25200911
It's not about the gene pool being diluted. We just don't focus on genes at all. Your body isn't fit to reproduce, can't get pregnant? We have fertility treatments for that. Want an abortion because you don't want your family to live like welfare rats? You're fucking evil. It's all part of the narrative that staying at home and being a good wife will help anyone but the fucking kike lizardmen. It certainly won't give your husband any sense of gratification when he realizes his life ism monotonous and meaningless despite having a house and kids to brag about at work. He is not really needed, she was not needed and the children were not needed. They just buy things.
>>25201370
If you keep posting such stupid things maybe you should shut up and not post again.
>>25199542
I don't give a fuck about this issues to be honest.
>>25201363
Huh? How is using the statistical likelihood of somebody's reaction to a particular kind of medicinal drug destroying "good potential because [you] don't like someone's gender"?
Or using statistical traffic patterns for civil engineering, etc. What are you on about m8.
>>25201411
Now you are transforming into the biggest enemy if you are trying to deny me free speech when my emotions are heated.
>>25201314
We are going to be fighting each other over resources before we even finish researching cryostasis technology. Because of shit like what we're arguing over now, about how to go back to this malformed 50's era image of a prosperous nation even though the 50s was the era where we learned to use cheaply made additives and non biodegradable products to mass produce stupid bullshit for these wonderful nuclear families to consume.
>>25201403
So do you suggest an artificial selection process to replace the missing natural selection which our comfy civilization has eliminated? If so, I tend to agree.
Yet your argument doesn't really fit reality. Because it's usually the welfare rats shitting out children while the intelligent, hard-working ones don't. They're too busy working 40h a week and they're too honest and honorable to take hand-outs from the government.
You see middle-class white people (high average IQ, low unemployment rate, good median income) having one kid and hoodrats having five.
>>25201421
Your statistical likelihood would deny individuals their potential.
>>25201528
This is what I keep telling people, but they're probably the same people touting good christian murrikan values who would be lucky for one obese autistic child with an actual heroin addict.
Gender equality does not come from legislation, and therefore does not exist. Society at large is quite patriarchal still (no, this does not mean that men don't have problems too). People need to change, not laws.
>>25201351
>If society really was a meritocracy with no quotas women would be absolutely screwed over.
Why do you think this? A very large amount of men's money get's moved to the hands of women through relationships and women will likely receive more financial support from parents and relatives than men. In our economy the majority of consumer goods are already sold to women despite men earning the majority of the income, and men also make up the majority of homeless. I don't think women would be "screwed" without quotas, they'd just be shoved to a more even playing field.
>>25201528
Yes we need to incentivize kids to high income houses while not rewarding breeding in low income houses.
>>25201523
>We are going to be fighting each other over resources before we even finish researching cryostasis technology.
Within about 20 years German scientists (later USA scientists) have researched how to create rockets that can shoot stuff into space. In 1969 the first men stepped onto the moon.
In 1932, the existence of neutrons was confirmed. In 1942, the first experimental nuclear fission reactor was created in Chicago.
Albert Einstein revolutionized our understanding of physics within his General Theory of Relativity. It took him about 8 years.
If people put their minds to it, they can achieve incredible things. The problem is: we're wasting our time and money creating plastic bullshit because we're having eternal peace in a meaningless consumer world without struggle and strife.
>>25201657
But morals! What about poor old me, who loves to shitpost on /pol/ and therefore would make the best parent ever? If richies would just gibs me dat I would show the world! Maybe I'd even single handedly shepherd humanity out of darkness just by having a wife and kids like the good Lord intended. Who's dick do I have to suck to prove it?
>>25201643
>People need to change, not laws
Why should people change when for thousands of years their strategy has worked well?
And should people change to some arbitrary societal fantasy even though it shows no signs of improvement in the long term?
>>25201394
If you can kill people in cold blood, regardless of the methods used, you are not fragile. A cold-blooded killer changes their method of murder according to what's most suitable to the situation.
>a regular man would crush her any day physically
Katherine Knight stabbed her husband 37 times with a butcher's knife, skinned him, decapitated him and cooked his body to serve him to his own children for dinner.
>>25201677
>in a meaningless consumer world without struggle and strife.
found the trust fund kid
>>25201715
I am poor myself buddy, but I believe we should make it easier for high income houses to raise children to make the world a better place.
>>25201421
This. >>25201531.
You are presuming shit beforehand basing yourself on generalizations which could be dead wrong for that person and that's wrong as fuck.
>>25199542
Does it really matter what men think about gender equality? Especially beta men on r9k?
Feminists are the one who are backed by the elites and they hate men and they want to see men suffer.
Asking what men think about gender equality is like asking a cow what it thinks about steaks.
>>25201677
Again how fucking dumb are you. You think there are habitable planetary bodies anywhere near us? What about the variables like us eventually developing sickness from living on a planet where the gravity is slightly larger or smaller than Earth? I will be the first one here to admit I don't study these things but jesus fuck. At least I try to use my brain you massive retard.
>>25201719
Because your strategy does not work out well for me and my life and well-being is what concerns me the most. You do not matter to me if you are the source of my misery.
>>25201757
Yes they can be dead wrong, but rather than try them on every other drug which could be much more damaging, it is useful to put them on a drug that is statistically more likely to help that person. It's not perfect, but until they can scan a person's forehead for all relevant data before prescribing something, it's the best we've got.
>>25201753
I am poor too and I was being sarcastic. Of course no one here should have kids. No one on this board, even if they have money.
>>25201759
>Feminists are the one who are backed by the elites
>muh ilerminaty
>muh masons
Its beta orbiting faggots giving feminists power.
Women are physically and mentally inferior to men.
It's just biological family.
>>25201733
I'm a poorfag and I have to work to sustain myself. But all of these "struggles" that I have to endure (working a monotonous job for a bad wage until I leave college, talking to rude customers) do not reflect the animating conditions that make humans strive. I truly believe that a more truthfully competitive society would motivate us to be better at being humans. But so far, we have no real goals, and everything just kind of works even without you or me. It's demotivating and depressing. And you wonder why we play video games and immerse ourselves with survival-fantasies in a post-apocalyptic world?
>>25201823
Neither illuminati nor freemasons - but media, college, education, politics, mandatory rape and male privilege courses etc.
>>25201528
I'm a woman and I plan to have 1-2 kids most while still working my own sweet job because my lifestyle requires money, which I want to be the one to own and manage, and I'm not lowering my standards to live like some poor hoodrat for anyone.
>>25201719
>Why should people change when for thousands of years their strategy has worked well?
Hierarchy in general is a negative way to organize. It reduces cooperation and creates power structures that perpetuate themselves, reinforcing the power of those on top over those on bottom. This manifests itself in a number of ways: politically, economically, socially, and so on. I'm not sure why you think things work so well, given what a shitfest history actually is.
>And should people change to some arbitrary societal fantasy even though it shows no signs of improvement in the long term?
Actually, there are a number of benefits to switching from hierarchical organization to horizontal, democratic organization. 1) An increased level of cooperation and participation from members of society. 2) Social benefits that reduce antisocial behavior (i.e., less poverty, racism, and so on). 3) Ecological benefits that have not been implemented solely due to economic hierarchy and exploitation. There are of course other benefits, but I don't want to ramble on and on.
>>25201825
If you define mentally as how good you are with mathematics than yea you are right. But women have superior intellect in other aspects.
>>25201840
>a more truthfully competitive society would motivate us to be better at being humans
For someone who assumes that perspective, your best efforts at proposing solutions to our problems at a species are pitiful.
Don't be bitch.
>>25201812
That's not how research works.
This, more or less
Constitutionally frivolous, useless, parasitic gender, with a psychology that is fundamentally selfish disloyal etc.
I don't hate women, I just have the same feeling toward them that I have toward a spoiled bratty stupid child.
>>25201899
Right, statistics aren't a huge and vital part of medicine.
>>25201904
Might wanna sharpen that edge, you ain't cutting through shit with that post.
>>25201904
I don't think that shit when I'm listening to music though, I listen and enjoy and think how good this music is, if it's something I like. Femanon btw.
>>25201789
>I will be the first one here to admit I don't study these things but jesus fuck
You better should, then.
We have just recently started to search for exoplanets. Up until 1995 nobody really knew whether there were any exoplanets outside of our solar system.
This is from December 17, 2015.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/219708-closest-habitable-planet-may-be-just-14-light-years-away-but-dont-pack-your-suitcase-just-yet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_1061c
Wolf 1061c is the closest exoplanet within the habitable zone around its star that we have found yet. And it's only 14 light years away.
Recent statistical projections have shown that there might be up to 40 billion habitable exoplanets just in our milky way. Now, if there was one that was, say 1-2 light years away: we could definitely get there, it would take us a while depending on our propulsion technology, but even if it would take a few generations, it's possible. And we're only just starting to find more exoplanets that lie in the habitable zone around Earth, so the future looks bright.
>>25201349
>But this is just an unnecessary punch below the belt because you're too lazy to discuss the issue at hand honestly.
Yep.
>>25201166
>Women have, for thousands of years, been nurses, educators, artists and craftspeople of various sorts (sewing, stitching, decorating, painting, ...). This type of work still brings joy to them.
Men do all this shit too. And the men who do enjoy it. Christ man what are you smoking? The most ignorant thing you could do is separate things based on gender. Sure you wouldn't let a pregnant woman work on construction, but a woman isn't pregnant 7 days a week from 9 to 5. They have hands and legs capable of being trained, as well as minds.
If a man wants to do ballet, let him. If a woman wants to play rugby let her. They knew the risks going in, as long as they aren't complaining they can stay.
>>25200221
This man has spoken the truth
>>25201886
>your best efforts at proposing solutions to our problems at a species are pitiful.
Remind me what exactly you're talking about?
>>25201928
Statistics shouldn't be used to hamper research from experimenting and branching out like you're suggesting, as experimentation in new directions is an even huger and more vital part of medicine. Fossilizing only on one direction only leads to stagnation.
>>25199560
This, T B H
He'srightblox
>>25201953
All of this being said, we are investing less and less into our space programs worldwide in favor of McMemes and shit like cancer/diabetes treatment. We all eat meat full of antibiotics which harbot antibiotic resistant bacteria in our guts. We will carry superviruses with us to the ends of the universe and still never have focused on breeding in favor of the antibodies.
People are people reguardless of gender. Their skills and talents are not related to the gender, just how much they practice their skills. Dominance and submission does not apply to the gender, but the human.
With that said, both nature (men having the 'spear', women the 'shield') and society have shifted general opinion on what one thinks before evaluating their real skills. Anyone that still thinks gender, race, or sexual orientation matter have been beaten by society's template.
Merry almost Christmas.
>>25201954
In this case you better stop discussing and wasting everyone's time with your disingenuous comments, because your input is absolutely worthless.
>>25200445
You should've already realized he's bait ya dingus.
>>25202043
You forget we will engineer super AI in a few years and we will reach immortality and defeat cancer.
>>25201999
>man
Why thank you broheim.
>>25202079
I am all for Chappie style robot bodies. But pair human consciousness with immortality and I guarantee nothing good will come of it.
>>25202043
>All of this being said, we are investing less and less into our space programs worldwide in favor of McMemes and shit like cancer/diabetes treatment.
Which is wrong and irresponsible. But our current policies are the very result of a feminized society. A society in which females have the same voice as men and want to do the same work despite being unfit to do so.
Females worry for their safety because this ensures the survival of their offspring. Men worry about their freedom because it gives them new ways to provide for their families. But freedom and safety (control) are incompatible, and the need for safety stems from a fear of risks. You cannot, however, eliminate all risks and expect to make progress.
All progress is built on sacrifice, which is what men do for their children and their wives.
>>25202126
>I am all for Chappie style robot bodies
There is no need for robots, just a super intelligence in form of software which will tell us how to defeat cancer and create immortality.
>But pair human consciousness with immortality and I guarantee nothing good will come of it.
This is why we need a technocracy. Only people with scientific knowledge should be the ruling power.
>>25201677
>having eternal peace in a meaningless consumer world without struggle and strife.
We can convince dogs to do all sorts of dumb shit for us, even sacrifice their lives. We couldn't prioritize the future of our own species adequately to, well, save our lives.
>>25202191
>just a super intelligence in form of software which will tell us how to defeat cancer and create immortality.
Nigga did you even watch the animatrix?
All humans deserve equal rights under the law.
No human deserves to be treated poorly based on things out of their control.
>>25202245
if you keep AI contained it won't be able to do anything. There is no reason to fear super intelligence if its contained.
>>25202189
So why don't you kill yourself?
I don't want a society where my voice doesn't count or it counts less than it should. A society like that needs to be destroyed. If you want sacrifice, you can start by killing yourself.
>calls medical progress, which is good and desirable, "shit"
You are the one unfit to live.
>>25202260
>No human deserves to be treated poorly based on things out of their control.
>manlets on sudoku watch
>>25202189
>All progress is built on sacrifice, which is what men do for their children and their wives.
No, you have a wife and kid because you want shekels but feel the need to displace that sense of personal greed with a seemingly innocent, moral decision to have a family. Which ironically doesn't help anyone in the long run, not even the people involved. Now you just have kids with the same empty sense of purposelessness that they eventually might try to cope with by having babies, or doing drugs. Either way having a family is not this noble thing and it never was, when people had kids just to be cheap labor on the farm.
>>25202260
>No human deserves to be treated poorly based on things out of their control.
Wrong thread. We're talking about equality.
>>25199542
I think women and men should be equal before the law. And if a woman wants go be treated the same way as a man, that's okay with me too. I'll treat her like a man.
But romantically I want a woman, and a woman who acts like the traditional role of a woman. If I wanted a man I'd be gay. Women who want special privileges for being a woman while acting as if they're hanging with the guys are the worst.
>>25202303
Thats just because they cant cope with the way they are, not the way people treat them
>>25202339
Your opinion on women doesn't matter when women don't want you, anon.
>>25202284
>So why don't you kill yourself?
Because my life is more valuable at this point than my death.
>If you want sacrifice, you can start by killing yourself.
How is it sacrifice if my death has no greater meaning to it?
>I don't want a society where my voice doesn't count or it counts less than it should.
And I don't want a world where niggers exist. Your wishes are entirely subjective and unless you argue objectively they are worthless.
>>calls medical progress, which is good and desirable, "shit"
>You are the one unfit to live.
Where did I call medical progress shit? Medical progress is certainly a good thing, but it's irresponsible to waste hundreds of thousands of dollars on an 80 year old half-dead grandpa who is too pathetic to embrace his end just so he can live a couple months longer. Medical research is beneficial, but not all use of medicine is desirable.
>>25199542
I believe that women are inferior to men.
>>25202284
>>calls medical progress, which is good and desirable, "shit"
>calls putting a proverbial band aid on the hemmhoraging wound that is our unwillingness to breed out cancer, diabetes and people who get the flu for the sake of reproductive equality "not shit"
>>25199542
The world is going to fail if women aren't stripped of their "rights" and turned into property.
>>25202395
>Because my life is more valuable at this point than my death.
It's not. Trust me.
Although there are obvious biological differences between men and women, none of them inhibit either gender from performing tasks generally believed to be most suited for the opposite gender. There are also exceptions to biological rules, like women who are born unusually tall, or men born unusually short and frail. So gender itself shouldn't be a consideration in one's ability to perform a task.
Now, if you want to say women should have to meet the same physical requirements as men in order to serve in the military or compete in sports, I see nothing wrong with that. There's nothing stopping women from getting into bodybuilding. It just doesn't make sense to say, "You're a woman, therefore you're automatically barred from doing this." Even if she's 6'1" and 200 lbs.? A woman like that could likely bench-press me.
As far as social / gender roles go, that's all subjective bullshit. If you want to be a stat-at-home father while your wife is out fighting terrorists overseas, go for it. It doesn't matter what the rest of society thinks.
As for MRAs and radfems, they're all full of shit. When you assemble a group of people who all identify with the same cause, they tend to lean toward a sectarian mindset, constantly pitying themselves to the point that they hate everyone and everything outside of their insular group. Men and women both deal with some unfair shit, but blaming each other isn't going to accomplish anything. It's just going to further the gender divide that keeps proliferating the problem in the first place.
>>25202325
>No, you have a wife and kid because you want shekels but feel the need to displace that sense of personal greed with a seemingly innocent, moral decision to have a family.
What? Not everybody is as depressed as you. I want a wife and children because I believe it is my purpose as a living creature.
The only purpose of life is to survive and procreate. This can be observed in all living creatures forever. There cannot be purpose without life, so I must ensure that life continues. And I would love to see my children grow and become strong.
Obviously you are right when you say "hurr at some point we're all dead anyways so nothing we do has any purpose in the long run". But I just don't care.
>>25202437
Nothing in this world has any value. In the distant future entropy will tear every molecule apart and destroy every life in the universe. Be degenerate and fuck everything that walks. Nothing matters.
The Jews use this to make women work for THE man instead of THEIR man. It is abstract cuckoldry and deleterious for women who do not get to live as fits their nature in this gynomarxist culture.
>>25199542
Man should be trained for war and woman for the recreation of the warrior, all else is folly tbqh familia
>>25202437
No, I don't trust you. Explain it to me or I will disregard your "advice" and forget about it forever. It seems to be nothing more but an opinion of some human I don't care about. I do not understand the way you came to this conclusion. I'm willing to listen to and argue with you about it, but if you're not, then I'm not willing to accept your opinion as fact.
>>25202468
>like women who are born unusually tall, or men born unusually short and frail. So gender itself shouldn't be a consideration in one's ability to perform a task.
Look, this 1 out of 10000 girl is born with a massive amount of muscle. This clearly shows that every female is suited for heavy lifting!.
>>25202468
>As for MRAs and radfems, they're all full of shit. When you assemble a group of people who all identify with the same cause, they tend to lean toward a sectarian mindset, constantly pitying themselves to the point that they hate everyone and everything outside of their insular group.
This.And it applies to "groups" as a whole. Even the ones that have attempted to take preventative measures against this. Even this shithole of a website with it's utimately ineffective anonymity, although it does combat conventional systems of social heirarchy.
>>25202530
Calm down, all I said was that you are unfit to live. If I am wrong what is there to be s upset about?
>>25202497
You have zero proof of this actually happening. If you believe that humans with their naive theories of how the entire universe might work have it all figured out by now, then you're dumber than you think.
You take something for a fact that is nothing but a highly hypothetical model of how our universe may end.
Your hedonistic worldview is just an excuse for you being a failure. You can choose what to believe, but I can tell you aren't happy.
>>25202497
>Be degenerate and fuck everything that walks.
Or just don't, and break down other people's egos and call them out on their self-affirming nonsense.
>>25202565
I'm not upset because I know it's just your worthless opinion. It's really nothing more than that: it's just your opinion. You have presented it without evidence, why should I believe it? I am not upset about the statement itself, but about you and your way of arguing. I think you're more intelligent than that, but you have stopped trying because at some point you gave up. This is wrong and you know it, no matter how deep inside of you.
>>25202395
>Your wishes are entirely subjective and unless you argue objectively they are worthless
They are not worthless to me, since my life is my only concern and it's certainly more valuable to me than yours or anyone else's, therefore no one is allowed to make it shittier for me by attempting to silence me. Also,
>Your wishes are entirely subjective and unless you argue objectively they are worthless
You are not arguing objectively yourself, you are deluding yourself you do. You are arguing for what you subjectively feel would be a better society, when in reality there's no objectivity to society since the individuals who make it subjectively judge according to how they perceive it and how it benefits their interests. So while you subjectively say this and that shit would be better, others disagree and their opinion is just as valuable as yours, unless you want to establish a dictatorship where the mind of those who disagree with you does not matter. Spare me the sensationalist cherrypicking, since cancer/diabetes treatment, which you agreed to being shit, encompasses people of all ages and gender.
>How is it sacrifice if my death has no greater meaning to it?
You're making women happy by ridding the world of your existence. Just sayin'.
>>25201946
butthurt roastie :^)
Equality is the wrong way to think about it. Nature has made males and females different because they have different roles to fill. Instead of equality, we should try to maximize freedom and fulfillment for both sexes.
For women, the issue shouldn't be trying to get them to become men (working outside the home, not having children, having insane amounts of sexual partners). Instead we should be promoting healthy monogamous relationships and child-rearing as acceptable and desirable. Does that mean women shouldn't have careers? No, they should be free to do so, but should recognize that they will most likely be happiest in a loving marriage raising children.
Men should be taught to be good fathers and husbands, and should be able to provide for a family on a single paycheck. They also need safe spaces from women, ie the garage or bar where they can interact with other men without women their to distract them.
>>25199542
when will we have a real gender equality in all the fields?
>>25202407
Birth control is no less important than treating illnesses. The less undesired people are born, the less complications to deal with later in life.
>>25202606
You are literally 14. I am not gonna sit here and go on about how objectively intelligent I am to someone who basically thinks the meaning of life is "Sex makes babies, women should have sex so I might have babies with them."
>>25202570
If you believe that entropy is a difficult concept and that it doesn't apply universally then I am sorry for you.
>>25202594
My argument is that nothing matters, do what gives you maximum pleasure.
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>>25202489
So why don't you have a wife and children? Too worthless to others?
>>25202668
>My argument is that nothing matters, do what gives you maximum pleasure
You are also 14.
>>25202612
>They are not worthless to me
They are worthless for any rational discussion. Back your opinion up with facts or it will be discarded, because having an opinion is not usually seen as a compelling argument for anything.
Also, please stop with this "there is no such thing as TRULY objective discussion" meme. The point is to approach objectivity by providing rational arguments, which are either concrete observations or theoretical insights into how things might play out regardless of your feelings towards them.
>since cancer/diabetes treatment, which you agreed to being shit
You still haven't shown me where I said that. You're making things up to fit your point of view. Are you confusing me with somebody else? It's hard to keep track of who wrote what in an anonymous discussion, but I have not said that cancer/diabetes treatment is shit. Point out the post in which I have.
>You're making women happy by ridding the world of your existence. Just sayin'.
I would make one woman especially unhappy, and that is more than enough reason for me to not do it.
>>25202653
Birth control is optional even for people with genetic predispositions to costly illnesses. Again, reproduction should be licensed, not a right. With periodic re-evaluation just like driving.
I dont even know what femenist mean when they talk about equality anymore? In what aspects are we not equal? If anything men get fucked over when it comes to the "system". Men get on average, Longer prison sentences, child support and alimony, they aren't forced into the selective service system. We are also more likely to commit suicide.
As far as the pay gap goes, I agree that there should an equal pay for equal work law (everything else equal), but the gap as a whole is misleading.
Its always the question of "where do we go from here". Of course things could be better when it comes to equality among genders but I don't anything that glaringly obvious anymore.
>>25202622
I'm a woman and drawing my stories/creating my own videogames is what makes me happiest. Raising children takes time and resources away from that, so it makes me miserable, not happy. That's why I have made it clear to my bf he is not to bother me too much, he is to respect my spaces and things and interests and give me ample time and freedom for myself, and he is also to take active part in the rearing of any eventual children since I want to keep my own time, money and resources for me.
>Working outside the home
Working inside the home ha too limited options and doesn't let me earn as much as I want. Any man who attempts to stop me from doing the job I want deserves scorn, contempt, rejection and death if he gets dangerous.
>should be able to provide for a family on a single paycheck
I still want my own money. And I want my own safe spaces from men too, where I can interact with other women without men there to bitch about it.
>>25202622
Yes. You are absolutely correct.
>>25202656
>You are literally 14.
No.
>I am not gonna sit here and go on about how objectively intelligent I am
If you don't want to argue, then stop arguing.
>to someone who basically thinks the meaning of life is "Sex makes babies, women should have sex so I might have babies with them."
That's a strawman. The purpose of life, as is observable for every other living creature that we know of, it survival and procreation. This is the one basic fact which we can observe and confirm in ALL living creatures. It is the basis of life and therefore the foundation for any discussion about purpose as well. You cannot have purpose without life, and if you deny that survival and reproduction are (at least part of) the purpose of life, then you are delusional.
>>25202668
>If you believe that entropy is a difficult concept and that it doesn't apply universally then I am sorry for you.
I understand entropy. But your way of thinking goes as follows:
>I have a vague idea of what entropy is
>I have observed it on Earth, therefore I believe entropy exists
>it probably applies universally [which you don't really know for sure]
>therefore the universe will end in a cold death [which is just a model of what might happen in billions of years according to our (less than perfect) models of reality which have been created with limited knowledge of our universe and the underlying physical principles]
It's not really that convincing after all, and the effects are so far away that I really don't think it constitutes any sort of argument for how to live and behave today.
>>25202886
>raising children takes time away from my videogame games
>my bf must not bother me too much, so I can play my videogames
You sound like an emotionally stunted womanchild
>>25202686
I'm 23 and I'm working on the wife part now. Children will follow, and my gf has agreed to at least 4.
>>25202902
>The purpose of life, as is observable for every other living creature that we know of, it survival and procreation.
That is not a purpose, that is a function.
>>25202886
>Raising children takes time and resources away from that, so it makes me miserable, not happy.
Have you ever raised your own children? You're either talking about your ass because you don't know what you're talking about or you are legitimately mentally disturbed.
>>25202886
>I want my own safe spaces from men too, where I can interact with other women without men there to bitch about it.
GENDER EQUALITY
TOP KEK
>>25202932
It is as close to a purpose as anyone can objectively argue. Whatever else you define as the "purpose of life" is a self-defined brass ring to jump through and is inherently meaningless beyond the little fantasy world you've created in your mind. And it will never make you truly happy once you're aware of this fact.
Pic related sums it up for me.
If there's a retarded child he should get support and special treatment. That's fair because he needs help and can't do anything about being retarded. But that's not equal.
>>25202992
"Equality of outcome" =/= "Justice"
This image is wrong.
>>25202987
Don't project too hard, anon. It's not my fault nothing inspires you besides the prospect of one day doing what invertebrates can do.
>>25202739
You lost any attempt at rationality when you implied medical progress to be shit: >>25202189
>Back your opinion up with facts
You provided no facts for your opinions yourself, only assumptions. Show me the fact that proves current policies are what you believe they are and not your own distortion of reality. Show me the fact that proves because women have a voice too, current policies are what you believe they are, and the reason (presuming your belief is not false) is not another instead. You have provided none of these things. I can back up my opinion with this fact: denying people their voices makes those people's circumstances worse, not better, therefore your attempts at totalitarian utopias are likely to make the world worse, not better for them.
>>25203026
So the strong shouldn't support the weak when they need help because then the outcome would be equal and theirfore injust?
>>25202984
Yea I wouldn't go near that one with a stolen dick. How do you literally get lost on the way to tumblr.
>>25202339
The whole point of equality by law and societal order is that gender becomes irrelevant unless it's a special circumstance.
>>25203079
equality of outcome isn't just, though. the weak people don't deserve a leg up, they should fix their own shit.
>>25202992
That's fucking retarded because they wouldn't need boxes if they paid for tickets just like if you're too retarded to abort a retard then your stupid ass should be on the hook for taking care of it.
>>25202902
Your male equivalent would either be a neckbeard loser virgin or have to settle for the bottom of the barrel. This is what we mean when we say gender equality will oppress men, this mentality has profound implications. What those implications are, I don't know. Enlighten me
>>25202984
He wants his safe spaces from women, I want my safe spaces from men.
>>25202947
Are you denying raising children takes away a shitton of time? Unless you're saying I'm allowed to just ignore them and leave them on their own when I have better to do. Sounds swell, thank you.
>>25201723
>strangled her husband for only fucking her three times in one go
>cracked his skull when he came home late
>tfw no yandere gf
>>25202992
That pic is absolutely retarded though. They slit equality into two different things. In one they get the same number of boxes. But they aren't in it for the boxes they want to watch baseball which one of them can't. That isn't really equal. While on the other neither of them can really care about who gets how many boxes so long as they can watch some baseball. THAT is equal. If they were in it for the boxes then yes you give them the same amount of boxes but they aren't.
Yes equality doesn't really mean justice it just means treat everyone the same and don't be a dick. Unless they are being a dick to you first.
>>25203079
That's a false equivalency. "Justice" CAN mean "equality of outcome", but they are not generally the same thing. Sometimes you can achieve justice by enforcing equality of outcome, but not all forms of justice are just that.
If a weak person without stamina REALLY wants to join the Special Forces, should you give him special treatment or lower entry standards just because he "needs help" and "should be supported"?
The facts are:
>not everybody is equal
>not everybody can be or do whatever they want
>it is not injust to prevent people from doing jobs that they are unfit to do
>>25203215
>it is not injust to prevent people from doing jobs that they are unfit to do
It is just to make sure all jobs are done as well as possible in lieu of favoring individual need. If individual need exceeds the demand for these jobs, more attention should be paid to eliminating the source of the problem, which is a surplus of individuals with no purpose (other than to reproduce of course)
>>25199542
In some areas we have ways to go on making men and women equal, both sides will need to concede some things. But the ultimate goal of true equality is just not possible, we are in fact different from each other and two different things can never truly be equal.
>>25203202
equality would mean that all the people to have a house, a car, a job and a SO
where is my entitled gf? where is my entitled sex?
>>25203307
>which is a surplus of individuals with no purpose (other than to reproduce of course)
I agree. I approve of killing all the men on this board.
>>25203338
Here is your McWife and side of assburger child, that will be $3.49
>>25203350
Go back to tumblr and stay go, you are as bad as they are.
Roaches, all of you
>>25201394
>muh physical strength
Why do people even bring this up? Physical strength doesn't just compensate for everything. Someone with high mental ability will fuck you up without lifting a finger.
>>25203145
>they should fix their own shit
But that one guy is small as shit. How is he supposed to fix that? It's not his fault. How is that fair for the small guy?
>>25203202
By your logic everyone should get the same payment. That would be equal but unfair because some work harder than others. (not saying everyone gets the money he deserves, but theoretically)
Look at it like this. The boxes are the law/what the goverment provided. Being able to see over the fence means being able to lead a good life.
>>25202992
>three normalfags illegally watch a baseball game
How am I supposed to care for any of them?
>>25203164
>Are you denying raising children takes away a shitton of time?
I haven't denied this at all. I believe that females have evolved to love their children, otherwise they just wouldn't have any and they would die and humans would have gone extinct.
So, since you've avoided my question, here it is again:
>Have you ever raised your own children?
This one is important because it tells me whether you know what you're talking about.
>>25203042
>nothing inspires you besides the prospect of one day doing what invertebrates can do.
Why do you pretend to know what inspires me? I see there is no use in arguing with you. You don't address the point at hand and you use condescending language and strawman-tactics to avoid real discussion. It's weak and I don't have time for this.
>>25203075
1. it was another anon making the post that I quoted in the one you linked (which was in fact mine)
2. medical progress does not equal cancer/diabetes treatment. Since he talked about wasting time with it, I figured he was talking about the treatment itself being wasted on old people who should just embrace their deaths and stop clinging onto life. Granted, that's not what he said, but it was what came to my mind once I read his post.
To clear up my position: I believe medical progress (or any form of finding new knowledge) to be beneficial. But I don't believe in using this knowledge on whoever we possibly can, because sometimes the investment does not justify the result. I don't support cancer treatment for old people (let's say 80 years old, just to have a rough cut-off criterion), because I believe it is ultimately a waste of time and resources.
>Show me the fact that proves current policies are what you believe they are and not your own distortion of reality.
I'm on my laptop and I'm at my parents' place because it's Christmas. I don't have my info folders here. If you're actually interested, I could send them per Email when I'm back home again (Dec 28). Sounds fishy I know
Women harp about equality but I don't see any lining up for physically intensive or life threatening jobs.
>>25203497
>You don't address the point at hand and you use condescending language and strawman-tactics to avoid real discussion.
>It's weak and I don't have time for this.
Are you fuckin for real? Ayy lmao
>>25203416
Because physical strength is a core advantage that men have over women and it highlights their biological differences, which is what that discussion was all about. You should read more than just one post and decide to pick it out.
>>25203501
That's because you never leave the house anon.
No but really, how do you know?
>>25202622
>all that presuming bullshit about women
When I got married at 24, I knew that I didn't want children. My husband once said that if he ever had to choose between mother and child, he would save the child. And I thought, "No way! My life is more important." I never really felt that maternal actually. He may have thought that we might have children but when I made it clear that I didn't want them, he didn't try to persuade me otherwise.
For me there has always been an issue of economic independence because my father left us when I was young. We had a nice house but afterwards we were really quite poor. We moved to a smaller house and my mother had to take a factory job. I vowed therefore that I would never be economically dependent on a man and I never have been. When I grew up, there was no way I could combine study or work with having a child - it seemed a wholly impractical thing to do. It was either a career or family - that was the position for me 35 or 40 years ago. Physically I didn't want to be pregnant either. It changes your body and I wasn't prepared to have that happen.
I have no regrets. Someone said to me once, "In your old age you'll want children to look after you." And I thought, "Why should I place that responsibility on children? It's not fair." I'm now in my 60s and I'm just about to get married again - but of course there will be no expectations of having children!
>>25203538
You being for real right now?
>>25203525
It is, and I explained why. You on the other hand keep refusing to address the point and resort to memeposting.
Maybe I should rephrase the point so you're reminded of what it actually was:
>you think there is a purpose of some kind in human life
>you think it is to maximize pleasure (hedonism)
>I argued that this is objectively wrong and the purpose is to a) survive and b) procreate
>I explained my reasoning for this by pointing at nature and the observations we can make from every single living creature that we know of
So now you explain to me how hedonism is the purpose of life.
>>25203501
It's equal outcome, shitlord. Equal work is sojinist.
