Was koko the gorilla actually real? Anyone else find it scary that she was an animal that could communicate with humans and understood our language? Why has koko the gorilla been brushed under the table and forgotten about? This is probably the most revolutionary discovery in 1000 years. I mean we are communicating back and forth with an animal.
>people literally admire gorillas with their species-relative IQ of 180
>people literally deride humans with their species-relative IQ as fucking bragging nerds who just use big words
>>25182917
>humans with their species-relative IQ
*humans with their species-relative IQ of 180
most of what you read about koko is complete bullshit
all the sign language koko "knows" has to be interpreted by the caretaker. it's all nonsense. most of the time she just asks for food
>>25182890
>people literally admire gorillas with their species-relative IQ of 180
It's probably more like 130. But plenty of people like smart people.
Maybe you shouldn't be a braggard that uses needlessly large words.
>>25182890
Many animals have some form of language, and apes are no exception, especially considering how closely they're related to humans. All great apes share traits such as social hierarchy, tool use, and long term planning and sense of time. You seem to have a low opinion of what our ape cousins are capable of. Also koko didn't "understand" human language, in the sense that she could construct new ideas, she had a confined vocabulary and could only describe things that were already described to her or are tangible to her. Her level of intelligence was that of a small child, much like other apes.
>>25182968
>expecting an animal to be capable of critical thought
Of course she would mostly ask for food. Do you expect her to hold a conversation about quantum physics? It's nonetheless feasible that she can understand rudimentary sign language. Her level of conversation is another matter entirely.
>>25183020
When studying it I remember reading that she once combined the signs for "water" and "bird" when she saw a swan, a sign for which she was never previously taught. That is some evidence for understanding and constructing a new idea.
>>25183020
Saw a video on youtube about this and one of the critical things that even these gorillas lack is a "theory of mind", which doesn't develop in humans until around age 7 or so.
This is why, even when they communicate, no gorilla or other animal has EVER asked us a question. Once they do this, that's an indicator of an entire other level of mental development.
Didn't it go on a rampage and asked to be killed
>>25183186
because her caretaker couldn't ya know, make up stuff so she can raise more money. no, that would be unfeasible.
>>25183270
Wasn't there an African grey parrot that asked what colour he was?
>>25182917
>he clearly identifies as one of the "smarties"
>he overuses the word "literally"
>>25182890
Chantek the Orangutan showed a much better grasp of language than other primates. He clearly understood signifier/signified relationship because he would combine signs for things he didn't know, ie calling other orangutans red-dogs or calling eyedrops eye-water
>>25182890
>This is probably the most revolutionary discovery in 1000 years. I mean we are communicating back and forth with an animal.
Have your tried talking to a nigger? How is this a breakthrough to you?
>>25183989
>calling other orangutans red-dogs
One of the first orangutans we communicate with and he's racist against his own kind. A shame.
