>>25151179

whites cannot be robots, chad. it was only a matter of cleaning yourself up and lifting.

bee yourself.

>>25151192
It was much more than that, anon.

Also, people of every race can be Chad. I know Asian chads, black chads, hispanic chads, etc.

>>25151227
Is it possible to become a Chad when you're 5'10 at 110lbs?

>>25151339
5'10 is a decent height. A little skelly though. Some women dig that aesthetic, do you dress properly to match?

>>25151227

ah, don't play dumb op. im glad u made it work but you know im right. whites can't be robots. all they have to do is lift and clean up, and yes i am simplifying this.

your multi-ethnic dude bro crew = not chad

>>25151400
Oh my god, it's retarded

>>25151400
I'm not playing dumb. Every race can become Chad. Chad is more about knowing social cues, leading when you find these cues, and taking care of oneself, with the group as a close second.

This may come more naturally to some races than others, sure, but everyone can do it.

>>25151446

come on, now you're really trying hard to play dumb.

i appreciate the positivism but you can spare me the bullshit, save that for your chump crew kek.

> knowing social cues, leading when you find these cues, and taking care of oneself,

yes everyone can learn this and do it, but that does not chad make.

>>25151473
It really does, anon. I'm 5'7, with a build I could best describe as "stocky". My actual interests include nerdy shit no girls care about like linguistics, electronics, animu and vidya.

If you know social cues and act appropriately, you make others feel good. People want to be around people who make them feel good.

>>25151502

sounds like a lot of work.

>>25151179
Your biggest challenge will be to get anyone on this board to listen. You will be called a fake robot, people will tell you yoy won the genetic lottery, etc. This is a dumping ground for people who do not want to be helped. No matter what you say, at least 90% of robots will simply be angry at you and spout excuses as to why they can't do what you did.

>>25151536
It is, but the alternative is continuing how you're going. If you're like me, you always wanted to change during that window of like 3am, wondering how it would feel for a girl to hold you hand. Instead of jerking off and going to bed, why not take advice and claw your way up?

>>25151541
Yeah, I'm seeing that.

I'm not conventionally good looking in any sense, I have a huge nose, crooked from breaking it as a child, I'm 5'7, shit muscle building genetics, in case anyone actually thinks I won the genetic lottery.

>>25151541
>>25151179
>everyone can do it
>muh socially awkard teenager turned Chad
>life is easy for everyone
>chads are made not born
Fuck off

Sorry, OP, but you're one of those people who lucked out and mistakenly assume it was due to something they did. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your "system" will not help anyone.

>>25151587

>claw my way up

na im gonna stay /comfy/. the tfw no gf feel can be eliminated with a good book or 10.

Nobody has a purpose in the world.

The problem with society is that it raises people to think exactly the opposite, and then obviously you get to your early 20's it hits you without warning that the world is cruel and brutal and cold and that you have no purpose nor reason for being and rights to nothing or no-one, not even the air you breath.

When all of you acknowledge and accept this your lives will immediately begin to improve.

If you want anything in life you have to go out there and snatch it for yourself.
Be cunning, be cruel, be intelligent, learn to harness your emotions, learn that the most valuable thing you can possess in life is the loyalty and trust of others as a form of currency, but don't undervalue or be unappreciative the selfless kindness of another person. Nobody ever made it to the top on there own. You have to choose both your friends and your enemies wisely. Life is a game of chess and it pays to always be 5 steps ahead of everybody around. If you want to tell a convincing lie, the best way to do it is to first convince yourself of said lie. Prepare for every possible scenario imaginable.

Signed, somebody slowly and steadily ascending the pyramid having started from the lowest of the low.

>>25151606
Anon, do you think Chad is some sort of gene? It's by almost pure luck people in your school were Chad. Maybe they has more physical activity as a kid, and thus were better at sports, raising their social standing.

Or do you think the second you pop out it's decided, and the nurses put you in two different rooms (chad nursery, non chad nursery)?

>>25151609
I assure you, I didn't luck out. I worked on myself and my social skills for a long time. It wasn't a big jump either, but a slow, gradual increase.

>>25151631
That's your choice anon. Just know the void doesn't go away, books only briefly quell the roaring emptiness inside you.

Plus, having a qt3.14 sucking your dick as you read is nice.

>>25151665
>Plus, having a qt3.14 sucking your dick as you read is nice.
sounds cool, but i don't really want to socialize with people. sex is nice i guess but i would have to deal with people and talk to them which i hate. if i ever were to get a strong desire for sex i'd just get a prostitute.

>>25151833
So then why did you enter the thread, anon?

>>25151664
None of that is possible if you have a recessed chin.

>>25151664
i refuse to live this way. the people who live this way are godless, no value, athiest, amoral faggots.
i'm not going to do whatever it takes to get what i want, because what i want isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.

in the grand scheme of things, we're all gonna die here on this planet.
we're gonna burn every inch of gas, crop and wood and we're gonna fuck ourselves, if you don't believe this you haven't looked outside onto the garbage ridden streets where more and more humans just keep multiplying.

>>25151665

>Plus, having a qt3.14 sucking your dick as you read is nice.

>Just know the void doesn't go away

lel that's pretty beta shit m8, for a "chad".


sounds like that would get in the way of reading.

>>25151908
>having a girl suck your dick while you do whatever is beta
>having a girl literally service you while you ignore her is beta

I'm not following, anon.

How do get better social skills then, chadfam?

>>25152019
Give me an idea of where you are now, anon.

Do you have friends? If yes, how many.
How old are you?
Been to uni yet/want to go at some point?
Describe what you see as your biggest obstacles in making friends

>>25152053
Whoops, forgot my trip, this is me.

>>25151943

>service you

yeah ok "chad"

>>25152084
>anonNitPicksMyLexiconInOrderToTryAndDiscreditMeBecauseHeIsAfraidOfFailure.webm.

shut the fuck up Dan Bilzerian, if u really want to help us then give us your money.

bich i better not catch you on de_dust

>>25152104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqB1uoDTdKM

>>25152053
I have 3 "friends", although my not so good relationship with them is mostly my fault.
18
Yes, also have a specific career path in mind.
/r9k/ autism and most of the people around me are boring. I can hold a conversation with people but I'm generally bored out of my mind.

What if you're 5'6 and balding.

the secret to being a Chad machine is high-intensity hardcore physical stimulation

energy comes from being active and engaged in the world around you, so exercise and have sex and go to parties

that way your brain, body, soul, and penis will all have way more energy than when you started. it's just a matter of working out and getting good physical stim, really.

>>25152141
These 3 friends are a valuable resource. Try to repair the relationship. You're starting at a much better point than I did. Are they social people (eg, go to parties and stupid shit like that)?

What specifically bores you? The conversation topics? The shallowness to which they pursue them?

>>25152160
Shave your head, go completely bald. I'm only an inch taller than you, it's not as big a deal as you make it out to be.

>>25152164
Working out is very good, but I know a lot of buff robots. It's one part of the puzzle. I also know a lot of unfit chads.

>>25152053
Not him, but

>Exactly one friend, an online one at that
>23
>CC, but I'm hoping to transfer at some point
My biggest obstacle? I run out of things to say really fast. I can make people laugh a few times and then the rest of our time together is spent in abject silence.

Now, there's this girl who works close by where I work. Apparently she drops by once in a while and if I'm not there she starts asking about me. I happen to really like this girl too. Everyone else is telling me to ask her out. But with my aforementioned problem of being an incredibly boring person and a lack of a car to boot, I'm terrified that I'll fuck it up. What do I do, Chad?

>>25151179
Haven't I seen this exact same thread a few months ago?

How does surrounding yourself with brain dead worker drones and fucking bar sluts every week make you a winner anyway?

fucking Dan, you think you're hot shit because u got money and bitches?

have you even raided in a top guild on any mmo?
have you ever made world first on any raid?
have you ever 480 jump spin bunny hop noscope headshot through the double doors on de_dust2?

uppity ass casual

Alright, how/where do I learn about these social cues, baring in mind I have literally 0 friends so actually socializing isn't really an option.

>>25151377
>Some women dig that aesthetic, do you dress properly to match?

What aesthetic is that?

>>25151179
How did you build your social circles up and get decent at engaging with women?

My issue isn't so much being socially inept or unattractive, I just moved away to another city for 5 years, never had much time to socialize up there, and then came back home to find that all of my friends were either married and settled down or are neckbeards.

>>25152221
Okay, you have a couple things going for you.

1) If your normie co-workers say to ask her out, she probably likes you.
2) You're in college.

Did you have friends in high school/elementary school etc? Have you always run out of things to say quickly? What kind of things do you talk about before you run out of material?

I also don't have a car. I'm working on it, and you should too, but it's not the end of the world. (Though it is a huge handicap. I hope you at least live in a city with good/decent public transport)

>>25152225
If you did, it wasn't by me.

Because people are social animals. Having a social life is necessary for good mental health. You seem really judgemental of people, anon.

>>25152229
>480
>noscope spin headshots in CS

anon plz

>>25152259
Super skinny rail guy. Usually wearing darker clothing that's tailored well. Skinny guys clothing tends to fit poorly as most clothing is made for built people or fat people.

>>25152254
Walk me through a day in the life anon. What do you do all day?

>>25152307
Social circles I did by finding mutual interests. Started with D&D groups (no, really). Worked my way up to house parties, bar outings with people etc. See if you can get some guys from work to hang out/go to the bar.

As for women, practice. Purposeful practice. I'd practice openers. I'd practice keeping the conversation going. I'd practice approaching. I'd practice specific things with a specific plan.

>>25152211
>Are they social people (eg, go to parties and stupid shit like that)?
Yep.

>What specifically bores you?
Mostly what they talk about. It's almost always some soccergame or that they met so-and-so during the weekend.

yo Dan.

can you use your money to make a porn company?

call it "Robot Bang" or something. you would be the director and camera man.

>>25152368
Oh, and I always get the sense that they're just tolerating my presence at school because they pity me.

>>25152368
>Yes
Anon, you have a great in.

>Soccer game
They talk about these topics because they're opinion based things. People can argue for hours if John Kickem is a better kicker than Greg Bootit or whatever. Seriously consider learning a little bit about sports, because it's a great ice breaker.

Don't expect your friends to go into deep topics with you right away. You need to build rapport and trust before they will. Remember, they already have people they trust to talk about this shit with, you need to prove that it's a good idea to include you in this group of people.

>>25152377
>I want to ruin things for other people

This is why you're not a chad, anon.

>>25152406
>Implying I have money

Good one, anon.

>>25152411
They might be if you're quite autistic sounding. Pay attention to how they converse with eachother. Notice how often/how long they hold eye contact. Notice the placement of their feet, if they lean in, etc. Body language is massively important. You know how girls talk about "Creeps"? Being a creep is like 10% looks, 90% body language and social cues.

>>25152460
I'm literally autistic and can't into body language.
send help pls?

>>25152355
That's another thing I'm having trouble with. I've never asked a girl out before. What do I say? "Hey, wanna hang out sometime?" Walk me through this as if I were a retard, because when it comes to socializing I pretty much am.

In school I was usually able to keep small groups of friends, but I never kept in touch with anybody so I always had to find a new group if I switched schools.

I usually just ask people questions about themselves and comment on their answers. People tell me that I'm funny. I suppose that's a saving grace.

The city I'm in has a good transit system, but I don't know how bad it'd look if I asked a girl out and then told her we're taking the bus. I mean shit, I see couples on the bus all the time so I really should not worry about it but I just can't help it.

>>25152514
If you are actually literally autistic, this might be beyond my scope, I'll give you tips tho.

Okay anon. Go shopping. Get a full length mirror. Set that shit up in your room.

Next, Fucking stand up straight. No more slouching. Ever. This is going to be hard, it will take a few weeks for your muscles to adjust, and for you to remember. I want you to set an alarm on your phone, or some other cue to remind yourself to stand up straight.

Keep your head up. I don't mind this as a figure of speech. If there is not a reason to specifically look down, you are not allowed to look down.

Shoulders back, don't bunch them up. Feet a little more than shoulder width apart.

Don't cross your arms, keep your hands out of your pocket. Look people in the eye about 90% of the time when talking to them, about 70%ish (varies by person, experiment) when listening.

Go to the park if you live somewhere warm, coffee shop if it's snowy. Watch people. Take notes. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEIR WORDS. I want you only to record their body language. Did that guy lean into the girl? How did she react?

>>25152355
>As for women, practice. Purposeful practice. I'd practice openers. I'd practice keeping the conversation going. I'd practice approaching. I'd practice specific things with a specific plan.

Ugh, that's what I was afraid you'd say. Working up the nerve and then not being so nervous you fuck it up is the hardest part of the whole damn thing. It's so annoying, I can talk to people totally normally, until it's approaching a woman with sex/dating on my mind, and then it all goes to hell. I wish I could just treat it like any normal conversation. I'm good with the "midgame" if you know what I mean, but I'm rough with opening and god-awful with closing, I think that's actually the part I'm really fucked with. Women approach me sometimes and I can tell they're interested, and I let it slip away because I'm so damn clueless on how to take it to the next level.

>>25151665
>Or do you think the second you pop out it's decided, and the nurses put you in two different rooms (chad nursery, non chad nursery)?
Yeah it was decided from the start, you forget your place in the world, some people are god's chosen is that simple.
Plus you're just another sex-obssesed normie who thinks he is able to talk down to me because you think you're better than me, why should anyone listen to a patronizing shit like you?

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>>25152514
>/r9k/ - ROBOT9001
>literally autistic
>can't into body language
welcome to your natural habitat

>>25152537
>Wanna hang out sometime?
No, bad anon. Specifics, use name.

>Hey anonette, want to go to [name of bar/park/etc] on [day]?

Better, not perfect, but better.

Don't go right up to her and say this. Do you have a rapport already established with her?

protip: Meet up somewhere with alcohol if you can, take a cab back. That's what I do. If you can't swing that, living somewhere currently warm, going for a walk is a good idea.

>>25152605
Boy oh boy do I have advice for you.

2 Rules:

1) Within 3 seconds of seeing a girl, approach her.
No one likes to be circled and it's obvious you're thinking about what to say/do. Just do it. Don't even think.
2) Think up some "opinion questions". This works best if you can take a friend, but it's not strictly necessary.

examples: "See my friend [x[ there in the green shirt? His GF and him just split. How long do you think it takes to get over that?"
(It should go without saying this friend should never ever be yourself.)

"Do you think X sports team is going to win X event this year?"

Simple, opinion based questions. You're not hitting on them, you're simply asking them a question. Once you get comfortable with this, it feels better.

Don't ask shit like "what time is it" that just has a 1 or 2 word anwser though. She needs to respond with SOME opinion.

>>25152659
Anon, half the threads on /r9k/ at any one time are about GFs, friends, or porn. Normies are hardly more sex obsessed than robots.

I think you're projecting a little. I'm not talking down to you, just trying to understand your position. It wasn't decided from the start, and believing that is doing yourself a disservice.

>>25152720
whoops, that should be "How do you think X sports team is going to do this year", I was just making them on the fly there.

>>25151179
Can you advise me on something OP?

I've been talking with someone online, we have a lot in common and I think I'm her type personality wise.

We agreed to meet up soon but I'm still in the process of improving myself physically (fixing my acne and finding the right style for my hair is taking a long time) and I really don't want to give a bad first impression. Also I have a pretty good idea of what she likes physically but I'm really afraid she won't like my face. Is it worth delaying until I look good or will that make her lose interest (we've been talking for months already)?

>>25151179
>>25151665
Chad specifically means being born genetically superior, and is not something anyone can become.
There is a big difference between being Chad and being a successful person.

You can still give good advice, but people would take your thread more serious if you didn't adress yourself with the wrong terms.

Thanks OP, you're doing a good job, despite going against the /r9k/ rage machine. If even one or two robots will take something away from this thread, it'll be a win. As predicted, 90% of posters are angry raging assholes who do not want to be helped and violently cling onto the idea that their life sucks because of everyone else, not because of themselves, and nothing they can do will help.

>>25152798
You're coming from a mentality of scarcity. This is a bad mentality.

There are tonnnnes of women. Post a pic, let's see how bad the acne is. Your facial structure isn't going to change anytime soon, anon.

>>25152803
Chad here has almost always been defined as "alpha dudebro who fucks a bunch of girls and is popular". You can achieve this. If you're a genuine 1 or 2 out of 10 (extremely fucking rare), then you can get plastic surgery and still achieve this.

>>25152803
Excellent work correcting his use of a made up term used inconsistently and broadly based on cliches, assumptions, and envy.

Chad has a very specific meaning, being a real term and not an injoke gone awry. It is scientific and op is in dire need or semantic clarification.

>>25151227
Is it possible to become a Chad at 5'3"?

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>>25151400
Please leave the Internet is only for whites

>>25152831
Hey, you guys were my best friends for a long fucking time. I understand the rage and mentality. It's hard to look at yourself and say "No, I can do better", but dammit, I just wanna see all my bros succeed.

>>25152852
You'll need thicker skin than a 6'0 bro and it'll be a rougher start, but my friend who is 5'2 has pulled more pussy than anyone else I've ever known.

>>25152897
What if I'm in my 30s though

>>25152852
Not op but I have a friend who is 5'5 and dates a lot of hot women. He was apparently horribly shy in his early 20s but I've known him for about 5 years and he's in his early 30s now and pretty fucking dynamite with ze ladeez.

He's also brown.

He just is an interesting, charismatic person who does cool shit (plays drums and trumpet in a couple bands with local followings, does beautiful oil paintings, and used to do stunning and compkex stick n poke tattoos

>>25152924
Best game years are in your 30s-40s.

>>25152720
I met her a few months ago the first time she visited the shop I work at. After that our contacts were sporadic at best. I once visited her at her work and she seemed happy about that. She said hi as soon as I walked through the door. At this point, I think my coworkers have talked to her more than I have but they all agree that she likes me.

Would it be better or worse if I asked her out through text? I have a much easier time with girls when I'm not stuttering like an asshole in front of them. How do you ask a girl for her number, though? In the middle of a converaation? At the end?

>>25152924
30s is young.

>>25152924
>be me
>be 5'6"
>be in my 30s
>was a socially retarded virgin in my 20s

Today I'm pulling all the pussy I could ever want. It's all about increasing your desirability. I do cool stuff, am an interesting and fun person, and so on. Girls love it.

>>25152848
>made up term
>it means what I want it to mean
>anyone who disagrees with me is wrong

Ever thought that if you weren't so angry all the time, you wouldn't be a virgin?

>>25152935
Yep. Social cues, charisma, and being interesting are so much more important than your stature. It was really interesting when the manlet meme started, I felt like shit. Now I just laugh at the pictures.

>>25152947
Worse. Asking a chick for her number then a date through text, makes her much more likely to flake.

Open a conversation with an opinion opener. Talk a little. Ask her on a date on a specific day at a specific place. One of 3 things will be her response

1)Yes
Congrats. You have a date. Ask her phone number. Receive it. Continue chatting for a few minutes (DO NOT GET HER NUMBER AND RUN. This makes you look like a weak pussy.)

Text her an icebreaker a few (4ish) hours later with something like: "hey it's [anon], it'll be fun getting to know you". Don't say you like her. Just enough so she knows your number and has a name attached to it. Text like 20 minutes before the date to confirm details. TEXT MESSAGING IS FOR HAMMERING OUT DATE DETAILS ONLY. You cannot build rapport or affection via text until you have good rapport in person. DO NOT BE TEXT BETA GUY.

2)I'm busy, BUT I can do it on [x]
If she immediately offers to reschedule, you're also golden. Do the same thing as above.

3) I'm busy
This is what girls say when they mean no. Move on. Maybe try again in a few months if you still get positive singles

>>25152838
>Chad here has almost always been defined as "alpha dudebro who fucks a bunch of girls and is popular".
Alpha dudebroes are assumed to be Chads, since Chad has an easier time becoming successful than the average guy.
A homeless junkie can still be Chad, but he is not a successful person.

>>25153035
No problem, anon.

So... What do you actually want advice on? How do get over your cuckholding/femdom fetish?

Bang more chicks?

You described your life anon, but not what you really want help with.

>>25153078
This semantic argument isn't going to go anywhere anon. It's a made up term that everyone will have different definitions for. This is the kind of pointless arguing that will not improve your social standing or skills.

>>25151400

Im Irish and probably a bigger robot than(for) you.

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>>25152838
I don't want to post a pic but it's like pic related. It's mostly reddish scars which I'm trying to lighten though I'm not breaking out anymore.

I know you're going to say this sounds naive but I do feel it's scarce because I think it would be extremely difficult to meet someone like her again. She's extremely smart and shares all my interests and I think fetishes too, and most importantly she's ok with me not being assertive and super confident. The vast majority of women I meet through school and work are nothing like me and don't share my outlook on life, let alone any of my interests.

Facially I've been rated 5/10 but I'm still clinging to the hope that if I can get perfect skin and find the right hair style I could add a couple points. But this takes time

>>25153099
>>25153099
K
1) Getting of that shit
2) Bang more chicks
3) Generally improve myself, my life and the life of people who I care, and the first 2 points are a good start imho

>>25151502
Please give some examples of these social cues and how to react, plus if your interests are nerdy, what do you talk to girls about?

>>25153157
I misspelled because I'm a retard when it comes to write in english, i meant "get OFF that shit"
When I think about it I feel like pure hate, I just can't stand its presence in others, you can imagine how I hate that in myself

>>25153148
For a haircut, go to a men's barber. Don't go to fucking supercuts or some shit. Look up haircuts based on your face shape. Bring a couple options to the barber. Level with the barber, let him know you don't know WTF to go with. They'll usually steer you right.

For the acne, you could try covering with makeup. I know this sounds retarded and girly, but shit works man. Go to a makeup counter, see what the girl there can do. If you like how it looks, buy the makeup and practice. If you don't, don't. You have nothing to lose. That's only assuming they're a major cause of anxiety for you, because she's goign to find out eventually anyway.

It's good that you can recognize that's naive. The first chick I ever got with (still really beta, but was actively improving at that time) was in my head, fucking perfect. asian chick who was into everything I was into and smart as fuck. She dumped me, and I've found lots of chicks just as good, and better, than her.

>>25153157
>>25153204
You have an in cause you have already-chad connections. Observe them socially. What do they do that you don't? What do you think are your biggest social weaknesses?

Step 1 is get off hard drugs. Psychadelics are okay, weed is okay, coke, heroin etc are not.

Step 2, Make a promise to yourself right now, you will never ever engage in cuckoldry. Ever. I don't care how arousing you find it, that shit will RUIN you.

Femdom, I'm not into personally, but some women do like it on the rare occasion. How deep into it are you?

>>25153203
Anon I could list them all day. Describe to me a regular interaction with a girl for you.

Girls very rarely have actual hobbies. If you have facebook (I don't.) or something, check the hobbies section of chicks you have added. 99.9% of the time, it's something along the lines of "facebook, music and friends lol!".

Women like stories. They like being taken on an emotional ride. That's why they talk about people and like reality shows. cont...

Keep up the good fight, bro. I'm a bit like you. Except I'm an oldfag, so I have not been a literal robot. By the time /r9k/ came into existence, I had already transitioned into Chadhood.

The first step is the crucial one, and the one most robots will fail. It involves gathering the courage to do some introspection. Being able to think what you yourself are not doing right, and what you yourself should be doing better. How you should be a better person. Taking responsibility. Most robots will angrily reject this, but hopefully a few will not.

>>25153203
>>25153364
and shit like that, because it's all emotions and edited to have the traditional story arc. (beginning, rising action, climax, resolution). Think of some stories, have you gone traveling? Done something stupid with people you know? Think of your fondest memories. List some, and I'll help you craft some good women-talking stories out of them.

>>25153067
I'm probably going to see her today.
Where do I ask her out to? I've heard movies are bad for a first date because you don't get to talk to each other very much. I'm not so sure that a bar would be a good starting point, as I pretty much never drink and I don't want to start off by becoming a drunken ass in front of her.

>>25153427
There are 2 schools of thought regarding first dates.

1) simple.
This is shit like, walk in the park, get a coffee. Etc. People on this side think that having an activity can cause a girl to flake (not show up). on the flipside, this is harder for socially inept dudes because all the pressure is on you socially.

2) activites.
Pool, minigolf, go karts, etc.
This is the side I personally subscribe to. I figure if the girl likes me, she won't flake, and if she flakes, I don't care, cause I get to play pool/whatever. Try to pick things that she might not have done before (mini golf is really played out). Pool is my personal pick for 1st date. You CAN get drinks there if you want and you probably should have just 1 or something to not look weird. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are at the activity, as long as:

>You can talk during it
This is why movies are indeed shit btw, gj anon.
>but at the same time, all the pressure for enjoyment isn't on your charisma

>>25153370
This thread makes me hopeful. I'm getting a lot of replies. Anons seem to want to improve themselves, it's just a matter of sticking to it.

>>25153364
I think the biggest social flaw I got is that I keep arguin with everyone and for everything, and I did with a lot of people, from cute chicks to guys who after arguing with me almost put their hands over me and I still didn't give a fuck
When it's about normal talking to women I'm not shy, I have just weird ideas and I should keep my mouth closed in which cases, but I can't even think for now about dating, it's a scenario that simply there isn't
Plus I have difficult to control my voice generally and I seem to have a weak-like movement, junkie-like (for example talking to a large crowd (25+ people) when everybody is silent often makes my hands to quiver

about femdom, I don't think I'm that into, I mean that it could be acceptable in rare occasion as well with trying other stuff like maledom or wtf I don't know every bedroo roleplays and shit


About

>>25152720
>I'm not talking down to you, just trying to understand your position.
Of course you are talking down on me, you believe that we have a relationship in which you are placed at a higher place than me.
The sex obssesed observation comes from the fact that you present getting laid as a special trait that makes you different.
Some people are born at the top, some lazy shits forget to be productive and become late bloomers, such as you.
Only thing that matters is your early years, if you're a reject the best you can do is pull through your alone hoping that other people don't get in your way, but they will get in the way and they will enjoy every fucking second

>>25153604
Anon, I still think you're projecting. You're telling me my tone, and what I believe through text on your screen.

Most anons want to get laid, I assume. Listing it as a benefit of becoming a chad is obvious, I think.

It seems like you categorize everyone who does make it, as someone who was destined to make it. I reject that idea, I have a central locus of control. My fate is (more or less) is my own hands. You're dealt a hand of cards, but its up to you how you play them. Hell, you can even improve your cards via exercise and plastic surgery if you can an incredibly shitty hand.

>>25153596
Still me, I must ask OP, what were your first steps in the first mont you decided to improve yourself?

>>25153364
I'm going to try that with a barber, thanks. I'm wary about makeup but if it doesn't make me look like a bad tranny I'll try.

I know she's not perfect and I'm not idealizing her but it definitely will be difficult to find someone legitimately interesting. I mean you said it yourself

>Girls very rarely have actual hobbies
>99.9% of the time, it's something along the lines of "facebook, music and friends lol!"

And this is basically the kind of girl I always meet. It'd be fine if I just wanted sex and to get my ego boosted but I'm just not interested in that

>>25153596
>I keep arguing
I did this too. Just stop. I know how it is. You dig in your heels, and focus on proving them wrong. It sounds corny but keep trying to see it from their side.

Practice your body language. Is it a physiological problem that will go away with withdrawal, or something you'll have to actively work on? Get your body language down pat first, that's way more important than WHAT you say.

Most women like fairly vanilla shit, with a tendency towards the man fucking her like an animal. You can make a woman do pretty much anything as long as you find a way to make her not feel like a whore.

>>25153684
What I did:

Work out (weight lifting)
Read a lot of books on socializing

What I should have done:
Still work out
Read less, practice more. Practice practice practice.
Kill my ego.
Be more introspective, and learn to identify my own flaws.
Make a fucking plan:
This week, THIS FUCKING WEEK. Go out to a bar. Don't leave until you've opened (had a conversation for at least 20 seconds) with at least 10 people or groups. Stuff like that. Make real, tangible goals. Achieve them. increase goal difficulty.

>>25153743
You're not gonna be putting on lipstick and blush. Just cover up. Try it, see if it looks okay. I have a friend with acne who used it when I was helping him be less of a sperg. Now he doesn't bother as his social skills are so good.

That's not to say women aren't interesting anon. Men and women are just fundamentally different. Guys like analytical stuff, stuff you can improve and obsesses about. Girls tend to like interpersonal stuff. Neither is good or bad, just different.

Plus, if you want to meet a girl with hobbies, ditch the bar and go to a painting class, music class, or whatever hobby you want the girl to have. Just use the bar as practice if things with this girl fall through.

Girls are all interesting anon, just in different ways. For all the chad talk about pump and dumps, I don't fuck girls that aren't a little interesting.

>>25151502

>My actual interests include nerdy shit no girls care about like linguistics, electronics, animu and vidya.

There are girls who care about things like that, though.

>>25153670
>>25153840

Goddamnit. This is what I get by not being a tripfag in other threads. This is me.

>>25153870
Yes, but the vast majority of girls don't, and even those who do don't like guys who sperg out about meeting a girl who likes that shit.

I guarantee you the girl who likes animu has already had a million weebs hit on her.

>>25153067
This is all great advice chad. You should consider writing a mini Amazon book for robots, might make a few bucks.

>>25153926
Maybe anon. I know when I was trying to claw out of being a robot, it was really frustrating how much shit basically came down to "just beeeee urself" from chads, because most can't articulate what they did, even those who started from shit, like myself.

>>25153918

>Yes, but the vast majority of girls don't, and even those who do don't like guys who sperg out about meeting a girl who likes that shit.

So what, I should just put on a fake persona for the sake of getting pussy?

Sounds like a sort of suicide.

>>25154000
>fake persona
No. Don't do this.

There is a world of difference between sperging out about something, and acknowledging you share a hobby.

Do:
>Oh, you're into vidya too? What did you think of [entry level game]?
>Oh man, my favourite part of [anime she brought up] was [x]

Don't:
>Actually I prefer MGS3 to 2 because [long rant about the philosophy in metal gear games]
>[Speaking in nip about Baldur Sky and how you learned Japanese to read it]

Guys super into a hobby tend to JUMP when someone mentions it, because it's easy conversation with them. "Yes!" they think, "Now is my time to shine!", and completely fucking drown out all other conversation, and as the girl or group moves to other topics (so they can get a word in edgewise), the sperg tries to subtly shift it back, because he can't talk about sports/the party/whatever

Hey to anons in this thread, do you think it would be worth it to make this a weekly thing? Or should it just be this one time thing? I seem to be helping quite a few of you, so.

>>25153840
>>25153840
Practice your body language. Is it a physiological problem that will go away with withdrawal, or something you'll have to actively work on? Get your body language down pat first, that's way more important than WHAT you say.

In normal situation my body language is not that bad, at least it isn't totally beta, but I have to do a great work on it

>Most women like fairly vanilla shit, with a tendency towards the man fucking her like an animal.

Sounds totally fine to me, in fact is the state I'd like to achieve. I know I like this stuff because before I started watching a lot of porn with hypno femdom and shit (or just before I started watching porn, actually. I started porn with watching femdom shit) I liked vanilla a lot.
Should I stop fapping for a while?

>>25154192
kek I failed to use meme arrows
>Practice your body language. Is it a physiological problem that will go away with withdrawal, or something you'll have to actively work on? Get your body language down pat first, that's way more important than WHAT you say.

>>25154112
I suppose you could try. Try it one or two more weeks and see how it goes. It's maybe a bit like the GoodGuyGreg threads on /adv/, but robots are a different breed altogether, so a former robot is a better tutor here.

>>25154112
You could do it on weekly base, but you have to make this light so you won't stress up
I'll start using theese advices from 4 January 2016, after the end of the year party and hangover

>>25151179
If she doesn't text first is it because she's not into you?

Our conversations go great and can last as long as I'd like them to, but I always have to initiate them. I have no clue if this is normal because I don't normally text roasties.

>>25154192
So start working on that body language anon. Its more important than most robots realize.

I haven't experimented with no-fap, I would make sure you don't watch any cuckold porn, or porn of any fetish you want to eradicate, but I'm not a psychologist. If it bothers you that much, I'd consider seeing a cognitive behavioural therapy psych.

>>25154270
Yeah. Advice for normalfags and advice for robots is miles apart. Normalfags can take a platitude, see what they're trying to do, and build off what they have to go towards that. Robots are usually from 0, and sick of platitudes, so it's a whole different approach

>>25154313
What do you mean by light, anon?

Ideally you should put them in place now. Delaying goals only hurts you and your odds to achieve them.

>>25154323
Texting is for 1 thing. Setting up dates. Only exception is the icebreaker message a couple hours after you get her number, see
>>25153067

You cannot, at all, build attraction, or comfort via text. It seems safer, but that safety also means you can't accomplish shit.

After awhile, she might text you first, not strictly about a date, that's a whole different ball game.

Have you taken this girl out yet anon? Asked her?

Face it, you're not doing this to help anyone. You want validation, you want to be needed.

That's actually quite pathetic, I seriously wonder what's wrong with you that you come here for this shit.

>>25151179
can i have $20 paypal

>>25154408
Just one more angry virgin robot shitting up threads. And you wonder why you will die forever alone.

>>25154408
Anon, why are you angry? Did you come in this thread just to insult me?

Is it really so mind boggling to assume out of all the people on /r9k/. since its inception, one figured out how to be a chad, and wants to pay it back to the community?

I don't need validation from others anymore, anon.

>>25154433
No. Sorry bro, saving up for a car.

>>25154408
But anon if he succeeded, it means that we can too
I assure you if 5'3" asian dude would train like Micheal Jordan, he would definitely become NBA all star

>>25154450
>why are you angry?
No, I'm not angry at all.
I'm curious, I want to know, if this feels hostile to you, suck it up.

>Is it really so mind boggling to assume out of all the people on /r9k/. since its inception, one figured out how to be a chad, and wants to pay it back to the community?
Yes, it is.
Kindness isn't real, people don't do nice things because they want to, people are kind because they know there is some sort of reward. What this reward is, is different for most people.

And the only reward for doing this here is feeling needed, feeling superior to others.

>I don't need validation from others anymore, anon.
And yet you come here and make this thread.
As I explained, there has to be a reason for that.
What do you get out of doing it?
Everything I can see what might get points towards you having some kind of issue that implies that you are lying about being a "Chad".

>>25154503
Don't lump me in with yourself, you worthless sack of shit.

still >>25154620
>>25154554 this guy it's exactly the example of what I'm talking about. I'm actually like him, but today I'm truly desperate, I reached a low that I won't talk about even anonymously, and I NEED to change. I can't play the Rust Cohle game anymore.

>>25154503
Your logic doesn't work, anon.

A game like basketball is primarily physical.

A social game like getting a gf and being a chad is primarily social.

I can train for years and not gain an inch, but I can certainly train social skills, and see improvements. My short (5'2) chubby friend pulls more pussy than anyone I've ever seen. Dude is a master. Looks are very secondary unless you're a literal 1 or 2 out of ten, and then plastic surgery is a serious consideration, not just for chicks, but for all social advancement (ie, career, etc).

>>25154554
>Not angry
Alright.

>Kindness isn't real, people don't do nice things because they want to
This is where you and I disagree fundamentally. I believe most people want to be good, inherently. I think because of our nature as tribal animals, we like to help one another.

Do I feel good about doing it? Sure. In the same sense I feel good helping my bro pick up a chick in a bar when it's my turn to jump on the grenade. It's possible to feel happy about helping others.

>You aren't a Chad.
This is a bit of a trap, no matter what I say, it'll be taken as evidence I'm not a Chad. All my advice here has been sound, and is all advice I put into practice. There is no way for me to prove to you via internet that I bang a lot of chicks. I have nothing but my word.

Ultimately, it's up to you to believe me or not, but if you're miserable and alone already you have nothing to lose, and you can look up all my advice if you're really curious. I give advice based on what I read, what I practiced, and what works. It's not secret or hidden knowledge. It's just shit I shifted through after years of experimentation. As long as from this thread you want to improve yourself, I'll count it as a win, even if you think I'm a pretentious douche looking down on you.

>>25154620
Nah, not work to me. After you do stuff like this for so long, it becomes second nature.

cont

>>25154659
>>25154620
There really is no "normal", is the thing. Yes, normalfags have more clustered interests. Yes, they don't understand what being TRULY lonely is like, but each person really does have their own stories and life. After a long time you begin to see the "matrix" so to speak, and everyone is playing the socially acceptable game until they trust you enough to really open up.

Talk to me anon. I won't laugh. I didn't laugh at any other anon, and I won't laugh at you. It will be cathartic.

>>25154080
I cannot second this strongly enough

OP keep fighting the good fight. Even if the bitter faggots here are too hesitant to accept your advice, I'm glad you're telling them helpful shit regardless. Godspeed

What can I do if I'm literally deformed?

>>25154745
Deformed in what way?

>>25154740
Thanks anon. Always glad to have support.

>>25154763
i have very bad plaque psoriasis over most of my body (google it), nothing on the face (below average anyway but that's not that main issue) but i have to cover up every time i go out. i've started working out for a while but it's not like its going to help since i can't go out in public wearing anything even slightly revealing

>>25151179
Hey Chad where do you live? Where I live being 5'7" is social suicide since average female height is like 5'8"

>>25154826
Have you seen/worked with a dermatologist? Tried lots of different therapy paths? Seems like the outlook on it isn't horrible.

>>25154870
Canada. You're the same height as me. Height doesn't matter nearly as much as 4chan would have you believe. Yes, some girls will reject you on height, but not nearly enough for it to matter. As I've said numerous times in this thread, my 5'2 buddy bangs more chicks than anyone I've ever known. Dude is like a magician.

>>25154620
Yes, normality is uninteresting, it feels sickening.
I want to be sincere, I want to be honest, but ironically what this leads to is me becoming even more fake, more superficial than "normal" people.

>>25154667
>Alright
I don't really get angry, I just want to know when something catches my eye.

>I believe most people want to be good
Fair, but I believe that people want to be good because they know they are rewarded for it in some way.
I admit that this is somewhat meaningless because I am using "reward" here in a very, very abstracted manner.

>I think because of our nature as tribal animals, we like to help one another.
Yes, but why do people want to help each other?
Because they want to do it, or because they are rewarded for it by other people AND themselves?

>This is a bit of a trap
Yeah, I know it is.
How about another one?
>There is no way for me to prove to you via internet that I bang a lot of chicks
Is this what you consider the "success" state in life? Why do you believe it is?

>it's up to you to believe me or not
I believe you, I want to believe you. I like believing in kindness. I really do.
It's just that I like thinking about things even more.

>>25154826
>psoriasis
Go see a dermatologist, idiot.

>>25151541
>normie good, robot baaaaaaaaad

We fucking get it. Fuck off.

>>25154924
>see a dermatologist
>implying i haven't
I've had shit from phototherapy to injections and none of them help
>>25154918
Yes I have and it's not helping, I'm just asking if there's hope or I should give up and an hero now

>>25154918
>my 5'2 buddy

I sincerely doubt your buddy is 5'2", that is a R.A.R.E height. Shortest dude I was acquainted with was 5'4

But anyway did you ever have height insecurities? How did you get over them? Also how old were you when you started to change things?

>>25154870
Not him, but I'm 5'6". And I have no problem getting girls these days, including ones taller than me. Height doesn't matter when you have many other qualities that make you attractive to girls. You basically have to stop giving a fuck. That's what I did. Once I stopped whining about being a manlet, I started getting pussy.

i didnt see a self improvement general, anyone know anything about the double edged safety rzaors? im sick of the disposables

>>25154995
Are you attractive and have broad shoulders? I literally look like a kid m8 and I hate working out with a passion

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I look like a model, i am a model, still woman running away for my personality what to do?

>>25154924
>
Fair, but I believe that people want to be good because they know they are rewarded for it in some way.
I admit that this is somewhat meaningless because I am using "reward" here in a very, very abstracted manner.

Even if they are, because they're rewarded with chemicals in the brain, does it really matter? What is the practical difference between being kind and helpful for 0 reward (not even feeling good), and being kind and helpful because it's human nature to, and your brain realizes that it's good and gives you a shot of dopamine?

>
Yes, but why do people want to help each other?
Because they want to do it, or because they are rewarded for it by other people AND themselves?

See above. I'm doing this right now, because this board and the people on it helped me through some of the shittiest times of my life. As faggy as that sounds. Even though we're all just anon (except for me, in this one thread), there's always been a community in 4chan, and /r9k/. That's why moot had such backlash when it was deleted.

>Is this what you consider the "success" state in life? Why do you believe it is?

Being socially, physically, emotionally and spiritually fulfilled (in b4 tipping, I'm more a deist.)

Humans are social creatures. We want a partner. We want a tribe we feel accepted in. We can fight that with our higher thinking all we want, but we will feel miserable. Being with a girl and having friends doesn't mean that suddenly you become a whole new person, either. You're still you.

>I believe you, I want to believe you. I like believing in kindness.

So do it. There's nothing illogical or against human nature. You think a dickbag in caveman days got laid? Dude was shunned for stealing all the canoes or whatever the fuck. People want to work together. Some people are dickbags. People don't like dickbags.

>>25154924
>
Yes, normality is uninteresting, it feels sickening.
I want to be sincere, I want to be honest, but ironically what this leads to is me becoming even more fake, more superficial than "normal" people.

I didn't get you, is the first line supposed to be sarcastic? With "normality" I mean something like mentally healthy, nothing more than that.
And I know too that thinking like that (I can see through everything, you could not understand me) it's fake and superficial than being "normal", but it's the bias robots and cyborgs including me have when thinking about other people, damn even thinking about people who thinks like that

>>25154727
Thanks but I won't talk more about it, I said it only to explain my reasons.
Anyway this line
>and everyone is playing the socially acceptable game until they trust you enough to really open up

it's significative, I must start working to become better and win that game, giving 0 fucks about the fact life is pointless and shit

>>25155030
To be fair, I would say I'm reasonably good-looking. I get told that often enough. I also have an athletic, slightly muscular build. I'm just 5'6" though. But I do also "look like a kid", at least I used to. Now that I'm in my 30s it's great, I look several years younger than my actual age.

>>25154982
Keep working on it for sure. I know skin care can be a tricky son of a bitch. Maybe get a second opinion too?

As for if you have hope, I can't say without pictures, but I would imagine yes, unless it super super ultra extreme. Biggest problem will be people assuming it's contagious/std. You might be able to play it off as a bad rash/dry skin.

>>25154989
I've measured him. We joke about it for shits and giggles. Dude is fucking tiny. He jokes about what girl he "scaled". Dude pulled a stupidly tall girl (6ft+) and joked that he scaled mount everest next time we saw him.

>>25155011
I hear good things about safety razors, but never tried them myself.

>>25155036
What specifically are they running away from? Walk me through a normal conversation.

>>25155030
My face is okay, or would be if my nose wasn't crooked as fuck. My shoulders are about average.

>>25155131
Well yeah exactly. Every short "playa" I know has that stocky build or attractive face. Height isn't so much of a problem as size is. If you have narrow shoulders, small chest/waist, and rail-thin legs like me, you're basically repulsive.

Nice, I didn't miss Chad.

> be poor
> no car
> no friends
> work alone
> solitary hobbies
> don't drink

What advice would you give me? Bars are right out since no drinking, expensive shit since poor. I could read up on body language, but that wouldn't matter shit when I have nowhere to meet people.

>>25155166
Anon, you can add a lot of mass onto your thighs, arms and chest via working out. My shoulders are about average, and my face is a little below due to my nose.

>>25155195
You don't have to drink to go to bars. I usually don't, because I don't/didn't want to become dependent on the alcohol to socialize. What hobbies do you have? A lot of solitary ones you can swing into something social.

What job do you do where you work alone and make shit money? Do you have a plan to improve that? Go to school? etc

>>25151179
>laid every weekend

Lmao you only have sex once a week when you're drunk that's pathetic as fuck.
Have fun fight all the other drunken "chads" to get at some inebriated whores diseased pussy you cuck.

>>25155261
I actually don't drink at the bars (usually just drink with my friends at home. Liquor in Canada is super expensive at bars), and I don't go to the bar every weekend anon.

I understand your mentality though.

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>>25155162
Not a pic of me but at it's worst it's like pic related but not just on hands

Right now it's not as bad but my skin looks like a 90 year old's with huge scabs

>>25151179
How do i know if i girl likes me, what are the most obvious things a robot is unable to see?

>>25155299
It's going to be a disadvantage. I'm not going to lie. What % of the body does it take up approx?

You can still pick up chicks like that though, especially if you're lucky enough for it not to be on your face/hands/crotch

>>25151179
What was the first thing you did to try and escape robot-hood?

If you say working out I am closing tab and doing a 360 out of here

>>25155324
>How do I know if a girl likes me
Feet are pointing toward you
Playing with hair
Touching themselves (not masturbating, but like, brushing their face, adjusting their outfit)
Tone of voice is a big one, if you know how the girl usually talks, she will slightly change her tone when she talks to someone she likes.

Obvious things? Leaning toward/away from a person.
Not something you see, but getting up in your head too much was something I did a lot. No one gives a shit if you make conversation with someone. People love to be talked to if you have good body language.

>>25155344
It's one part yes, but don't do it for chicks, do it because it makes you healthier and stronger. Ultimately body language is more important than being jacked for girls.

I also read a lot of PUA stuff, How to Win Friends and Influence people, etc etc. I read a lot more than I should have. Read some shit and practice it. Practice practice practice. Try shit from books, if it doesn't work after a few weeks of trying, try something new. Never stop experimenting.

>>25155250

Eh, they'd look at me funny if I went there and got a coke everytime. Plus fuck paying 3x normal price for that coke, or paying for bitches' drinks.

> hobbies
I read, hike in the woods, code, and invest. A little bit of vidya and anime.

Even though I'm here, my anime and vidya powerlevel are far too low to fit in with neckbeards. That was actually a pretty funny realization at the time, I thought I was Mr. Neckbeard and then I met others whose powerlevel was over 9000.

If I tried to butt in at the local gentleman's club to talk about finance, I'd be laughed out faster than you can say r9k.

> What job do you do where you work alone and make shit money? Do you have a plan to improve that? Go to school? etc

I'm an entrepreneur actually, and I work this little because I want to. I work a couple days a month, just enough to live on and leave me maximum free time. I've got two degrees already.

Being poor is a choice essentially. I find no joy in consuming, and all extra money goes towards being able to retire altogether. It does limit my socialization options a lot, but I'd have an awful time at that cafe/club/whatever place normies go to spend money at.

>>25155427
Note:

Please don't take my reading PUA stuff to mean all PUA stuff is good. I'd say like 90% of it is total and complete garbage, hucksters trying to get you to part with your dollar.

Take stuff you think makes sense, and try it. Don't let me, or a book or anyone be the "final authority", because sometimes something works really well for you, and not at all for others and vice versa.

>>25155330
Pretty much everywhere except face, torso and crotch

Even in the unlikely event I did manage to pick someone up I'm not sure what I would do desu

>>25155324
You're asking the wrong question. Whether or not a girl likes you is irrelevant. Approach her, flirt with her, ask her out. If she says yes, she likes you. Forget about trying to read signs.

Remember, Chads get rejected many more times than you have asked girls out on a date.

>>25155427
>if you have good body language.

What the hell is that?

>>25155108
>I didn't get you, is the first line supposed to be sarcastic?
No, ordinary life, life that is considered "normal", interaction that is considered "normal". I know that the word "normal" doesn't really mean a thing.


>I can see through everything, you could not understand me
I never once asserted my interpretation was the only valid one.

>it's the bias robots and cyborgs including me have when thinking about other people, damn even thinking about people who thinks like that
It's a bias PEOPLE have.

>>25155075
fair.

>>25155456
>Eh, they'd look at me funny if I went there and got a coke everytime. Plus fuck paying 3x normal price for that coke, or paying for bitches' drinks.

Nope. Bartenders love me because I don't really cause trouble, and tip them well.

Don't buy girls drinks.

>Hobbies

Aren't there hiking groups? Try those out. Check out outdoorsman groups, stuff like that. Don't care if there aren't women there. We are looking to get you a social circle first.

Stop being poor then. I don't find any joy in consuming either, but 99% of the population does. At least get a shitbucket car.

Normalfags have fun there because of the socalizing, not because of the money itself.

>>25155484
This too. I imagine a lot of robots have a paritcular girl they're thinking of.

YOU ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET THAT GIRL.

You've sperged around her too long. She's dead weight. Ask, if you get a date, great, if not, move on.

>>25155483
That is a rough one anon. Keep working with dermatologists, and hit on girls to build your confidence. I mean, if a girl walks out after you take off your shirt, at least you got to see tits.

>>25155492
Stand up straight, shoulder back and relaxed. Head up. Eyes alert. Hold eye contact. Feet shoulder width or slightly more apart. Arms not crossed/hands not in pocket.

Take a weekend. Go to the bar. People watch. Check out the body language of successful guys. Buy a full length mirror. See what you're doing differently.

>>25155540
>I never once asserted my interpretation was the only valid one.

I know, I didn't meant that. It wasn't meant to you, it was a reference to the BIAS.

>It's a bias PEOPLE have.

You're right, I was thinking about writing it instead of robs and cybs, but in robs and cybs it tooks more time of their day.

>>25155492
Not chad, just another robot here, from my experience it seems like most "chads" have good posture and are fairly secure in themselves coupled with things like the eye contact and whatnot mentioned earlier in the thread.

Also being able to smile without grinning like an idiot.

>>25155606
Is going to the beach a good first date?

>>25155427
>Try shit from books, if it doesn't work after a few weeks of trying, try something new. Never stop experimenting.
Right, because the reason robots are robots are not the lifelong social failures
People won't try again because they tried to live like others but couldn't make it
Why suffer more then?

>>25155645
Yes. This is basic good body language right here.

>>25155648
Maybe.

Where I live its a couple hours drive to the beach. Bad idea.

If you live close, it can be good. Revealing bathing suit, cheery atmosphere, etc. Are you good at telling stories and keeping conversation flowing? If so, yes.

See also:
>>25153502

>>25155606
I have yellow teeth, is this a deal breaker?
The only way to fix them is by getting implants, i don't have the money for that.

>>25155677
Remember the man who gave up? Neither do I, will you be that man?
-A probably tumblr faggot which is right in this singular case

>>25155694
>If you live close, it can be good. Revealing bathing suit, cheery atmosphere, etc. Are you good at telling stories and keeping conversation flowing? If so, yes.

It's a private club, not many people, but pretty good atmospehere.

I have my share of stories, they're mostly interesting not funny.

>>25155677
Because we picked shitty things to try first, because we got no where initially. A million reasons why we could have given up.

Again, I had no friends and 0 social skills. I'm not tall or attractive or particularly smart.

>>25155696
For some women. Health is one of the most basic tests of fitness of partners that both sexes do. Can be overcome, but it won't help you.

You sure no whitening toothpaste/strips/dentist whitening can help? Quit smoking if you do, stop drinking soda/coffee. Might help.

>>25155757
>You sure no whitening toothpaste/strips/dentist whitening can help?

No, nothing, already asked a lot of dentists.

>>25155743
If you can keep conversation flowing through a whole first date without awkward pauses, go for it.

They don't have to be funny, they have to be emotionally gripping. Don't tell it like a chain of logical events, tell it as if it was actually happening. Make it "real" for her.

>>25155745
Good luck anon.

>>25155781
Alright. It's not a complete deal breaker. Does it affect your breath/oral hygiene? How yellow are we talking?

>>25155606
> Aren't there hiking groups? Try those out.

But I hike to get away from people, in the quiet nature...

> We are looking to get you a social circle first.
> Stop being poor
> get a car
> Normalfags have fun there because of the socalizing, not because of the money itself.

But I hate socialization. You're telling me to become something I hate - a blind consumer, spending away doing something pointless and boring. I'm not willing to go that far just for a girl, a 180 really.

I don't want to become you, I just want a nice girl. Maybe I was wrong to ask you, have you had any long-term relationships?

>>25155845
I'm not trying to make you me, anon, do you really not feel any craving for social bonds of friends?

Simply having a car doesn't make you a blind consumer, either.

Yes, I've had long term relationships, but if you hate socialization, why do you want one? That's essentially all it is.

>>25155816
Like this, i do take care a lot of my oral hygiene.

The things is, i was born without dental enamel, so my teeths have always been yellow.

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>>25155897
Forgot picture.
fggf

>>25151179

Former semi-chad here. Had a social life, a good college thing going, starting a career. Then I got leprosy, and despite being cured by WHO standards and in permanent remission by CDC standards, people will not come near me. Every relationship ends within 24 hours of the girl finding this out.

Any tips?

>>25155923
>>25155897
That looks like a stock photo, but if thats comparable to your teeth, then in no way is that a deal breaker. I'd say that you stressing about it is doing way more damage than the actual situation could ever do, like what my fellow manlets tend to do.

I honestly wouldn't even notice that unless someone pointed it out to me.

>>25155967
That's uh... A little outside my pay scale here anon.

is there significant damage done? Is there obvious evidence of you having a disease? What are the relapse rates?

>>25155885
> do you really not feel any craving for social bonds of friends?

No, not really. I never really had friends. Last I had a buddy I hung out with I was around 15, then he moved away.

I meant doing all that, not just the car. Though even a car, when I have zero use for one, would go far in that way.

> if you hate socialization, why do you want a gf?

I do want intimacy still, both physical and emotional. Maybe I'm deluded that I think it won't be a bore with someone who actually clicks with me?

>>25155967
Isn't that contagious?
But you say you're cured.

Maybe you should adress the situation with the girl on a better way so she doesn't get scared.

>>25156094
I'm like you, you want a female companion, i'm in the same situation, no matter how introvert one is, you need a female, and not just for sex.

Don't feel about about it, it's totally normal.

who wants to climb the fucking social ladder?
manipulating other biological automatons in a godless universe
people who don't fucking understand how the universe works at all
becoming the lowest common denominator
where everything is ultimately futile and death inevitable
you may be Chad now, but you are forever a tool

>>25156094
Emotional intimacy comes from socializing and talking to that person.

I don't see what else in my suggestions is consumer like. I said normalfags like bars for socialization, not consumption. Not being dirt poor for most people means less consumption. I'm pretty anti-consumption myself. I live a rather spartan life, materially.

I mean, you had a friend a long time ago, was it so bad when you hung out with him?

>>25156165
ok

>>25156054

>is there significant damage done?

Fairly significant but non-obvious damage. I'm not visibly deformed or anything, but I've lost a lot of sensation in my hands, feet, and face, and so consequently have to be careful, especially with things I pick up. You'd probably notice I look at my hands a fair deal, but that's about it.

Relapse rates are very near zero if I don't wander into Africa or somewhere and get myself re-infected.

>>25156099

It is theoretically contagious, but not in the conventional sense. About 90% of the population is completely immune in any case, to the point that if I re-infected myself, got some big purple sores, injected them into people at random, most people would be fine.

Of the people who are suspect, it's transmitted by air, but my bacillus are at least supposed to be all dead, so I wouldn't be a risk.

>Maybe you should adress the situation with the girl on a better way so she doesn't get scared.

I haven't found a good way to address it. My groceries get delivered; they don't want me showing up and scaring people. I telecommute; if I show up to the office unannounced, I'll be fired.

>>25156222
How do i eat pussy?
I literally have no idea.

>>25156233
I don't understand, if its not visible, and you're not contagious, why would you be fired?

>>25156271
Are you actually getting to this point and have no clue, or are you up in your head that you don't have this skill?

>>25156308

>I don't understand, if its not visible, and you're not contagious, why would you be fired?

Because people are dumb? And easily frightened? And they see some horror picture from India or something and think that'll happen to them if they're around me?

I mean, it's known at work that I have Hansen's disease, which is necessary for my insurance stuff; and I'm fairly certain that the only reason they didn't drop me immediately once someone mentioned to HR what "Hansen's disease" was is because they were worried about an ADA lawsuit.

When you're sick, you're different, even if it doesn't actually affect anyone, yourself included.

>>25156222
> I don't see what else in my suggestions is consumer like. I said normalfags like bars for socialization, not consumption.

What would I do with the car, other than show off I can afford a car? What would I do with the money, other than consume? You told me to make more money, and buy things.

> I mean, you had a friend a long time ago, was it so bad when you hung out with him?

He wasn't a friend, just a buddy. It wasn't bad, but it's not like I missed him terribly, or he me - neither tried to keep up any sort of contact.

How do I get back to being honest?
I feel like nothing that is a matter of opinion I say is true, even when I tell the truth.

>>25156308
I have no clue what do if i'm infront of a vagina, should i just lick and play with it and see what she likes?

I'm not a virgin but i've never gone down to a girl because of this.

>>25156378
Yeah, this is a little beyond my payscope anon. Even if it's not visible, it's obviously affecting your emotional well being.

It seems like it's something people are irrationally fearful of, and that's honestly very hard to get over.

I'd see a therapist if you're not already, and try to just socialize like normal. Eventually you'll meet someone.

>>25156433
Drive to and from the girl's house. Go to different venues. I don't know where I live, but here walking in the snow across town sucks.

Make money because being "poor" isn't good. Women, even those who aren't really consumer style people, want security in terms of their future. (Not to say you should buy a bunch of shit for them, just that you have the MEANS to do so). Yes, it's dumb and shallow, but it's part of what women want.

If you want emotional intimacy, you have to go through the social aspect of it, because thats what brings people together to enjoy that emotional intimacy.

>>25156441
What exactly do you mean, anon?

>>25156501
As cliche as this sounds, most girls are different.

In terms of equivalence, the clit is like the head of your dick. Use your tongue to stimulate that, some girls clits are too sensitive for direct stimulation, lick around and near it instead then. Pay attention to her breathing. Any sharp breaths or holding her breath is an indication she likes it. Any muscle shakes are the same thing. After practice you'll learn to feel it out more.

>>25156592
>What exactly do you mean, anon?
It means just what I said, everything I say feels like a lie, even when it's the truth.

>>25156617
Why does it feel that way? Are you hiding something? Putting up a false persona?

So to get laid i have to treat girls like shit? and if i am too nice they won't like me?

What kind of logic is that? how do women work

>>25156676
>Treat women like shit, don't be too nice.

That's a rather black and white way of thinking about it.

Women are basically hounded by guys all the time, they know you just want to fuck them. Basically you have to be interesting, and people who are different and make others feel good are interesting.

>>25156676

You just need to be confident and self-assured. Of course, you're a robot, so you're pretty much fucked.

>>25156733
I did it, and I was as much of a robot as one can possibly be.

>>25156650
>Why does it feel that way?
I don't know
>Are you hiding something?
Probably, but I don't know what it is.
>Putting up a false persona?
Yes, I don't know what
is real what is just me pretending.

>>25156758
Before you can solve any problem, you have to find the cause. Really think about what is making you feel this wya.

Op, your advice is falling on deaf ears. You've done more than enough. Just leave.

>>25156727
I tried being different, not being too desperate, not being too much of an asshole either, and it worked, she started to steal my cigs from my mouth, and playing like that.

But then i assume she wanted me to take a step, and that's were i failed.

Should i have stopped the game and start taking her a bit more serious?

>>25156831
Gotta help my bros, man.

>>25156844
>and it worked
Great!

Without you going in more depth (what you did exactly, in what setting, how long you'd known her etc), I can't tell you where and if you fucked up.

>>25151179
Mr. Chad, you still there?

Help me understand a girl I've recently met

>>25156959
I'll help you, but understand one thing.

You will most likely not get this girl, and that's okay. Your skills are rusty and underdeveloped, but there are lots of girls and this is good practice.

Go ahead.

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I don't want friends, I detest casual sex, I've got unresolvable issues that would make a relationship difficult, and my preferences for a girlfriend are so exotic that there may very well be not a single woman on the planet who I'd like to be in a relationship with.

Now THIS is pod racing.

>>25156946
I just left because i didn't knew how to seriously approach her-

>>25156990
People are people. I think you might have built up walls because of all the rejection you faced over the years.

I can't blame you, I did the same thing. I was convinced I wouldnt' want any girl besides a pure azn virgin, preferably one who liked vidya.

I promise you, once you start talking to real people, and don't just stew in here, that real people will surprise you with how good they are.

you;'re not chad, you're just some fucking normalfag who found out that clubsluts are an easy lay

>>25156676
>i have to treat girls like shit? and if i am too nice they won't like me

No, no, no. That's only what angry robot virgins say. Seriously, think about it for a minute. Why would a girl like it if a guy treats her like shit? Why would she not like it when a guy treats her nicely?

/r9k/ is full of guys who think they are too nice, and that's why girls don't like them. Newsflash, most of the "nice guys" you see here are not nice at all. In fact, when you see someone write "I'm too nice that's why girls don't like me", he's pretty much always a selfish asshole. And when he says "the girl I love picked this asshole instead of me, the nice guy", the guy that the girl picked isn't actually an asshole, but a pretty nice guy.

>>25157034
Oh dude. You don't need me for that.

Sounds like you have the beginning of understanding here. You're just afraid to escalate. If she's stealing cigs out of your mouth in a semi private area (behind a building or some shit), you can pretty much just kiss her.

>>25157048
I pull chicks at places other than bars. I pull chicks from ltrs sometimes, not just easy lays.

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>>25157048
This

>OP goes to the gym
>starts fucking the easiest sluts ever
>makes "friends"
>GUYS I'M SUPER SUCCESSFUL NOW BUT I WAS ONCE LIKE YOU

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>>25151179
I have a lot of friends, many of them are women. very few of them have ever been willing to consider me as more than a friend (they have an inside joke that I'm the creepy old uncle of the friend group)

I'm not all that forward, they all seem to get a long with me as friends (laugh at my jokes, hang out with me all the time), but they just have no interest in me otherwise cause they think I'm creepy. How do I be less creepy?

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>>25151179
based Chad, I seek thy counsel

I'm going to be picking up a girl from a dating site for a bonfire and weed smoking date.

problem is, i suck at making conversation and i feel like my text game will be shattered when we meet in person. im going to be in the car with her for like 20 minutes

what the fuck do i do? panicking will probably only make it worse but i know how things usually go for me. bad.

should i say fuck it and have a couple drinks? im 18 so im running a risk if i get stopped but it would make me less autistic. i don't know what to do. if i dont meet her she'll lose interest

>>25157084
The girl was really pretty but a bitch, this kind of girls who think they're hot shit and the best of all just because they're pretty, so i really wasn't pretending to be an asshole.

The thing is she liked it, and that's when i lost my shit and sperged.

>>25157084
>I pull chicks at places other than bars. I pull chicks from ltrs sometimes, not just easy lays.
You keep talking about this as if it made you special.

Are you really happy, is this really what you want?

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>>25157041
It's actually the other way around. Girls have approached me and I've nope'd out of there as fast as possible, and that was many years ago when I was much less of a robot than now. I've always instinctively avoided getting involved with girls.

>>25156978
Nah, I'm not rusty nor underdeveloped, that's why I can't crack it down, I really need to hear a non-beta pov.

I'll try to keep it short. I'm not alpha but not a beta either, I've had my fair share of women but most of the time I'm indifferent to being social and getting girls, that's why I don't consider myself alpha. The times I put some effort though, I've had good results, I usually don't have trouble getting 7-8/girls, anyway.

All my relationships had been 'meh' tier, good girls whatever, but once the sex fades out I get bored and dump them (or make them dump me) and try again.

On November I had to be in LA for some thing school-related, the last week I was there I met a girl who came to live at the house I was staying. The moment I crushed heavily into her (and she into me, as she admitted later), the first day we were just like talking about silly stuff, starting the day after and for three glorious days, we were together all the time, we had really really amazing sex, and we spend the rest of the time having a lot fun watching rick and morty and shit. She told me she felt like a teenager again (I'm 26 she's 25) and always slept hugging me and kissing me and telling me that I was really cute/hot.

Anyway, about two days before I left she said some "friends" from San Francisco were coming to town and she was going to spend their time there. Then she left, and when I tried to contact her through WA their responses were one liners like hours after she read the message. Eventually I told her, I'm leaving tomorrow, let's meet tonight, she said she wouldn't make it. Then just left and the girl doesn't talk to me anymore, it's been a month.

I miss her, I really want this girl, senpai. What the fuck man? I though we really had some shit together, what was that all about? I can't wrap my head around it, she REALLY had a great time, this is not "she held my hand and I told her we should marry" stuff, this was real.

>>25157192
Bitch 4chan changed ' f a m ', to senpai.

>>25156959
>Help me understand a girl

Girls are crazy, don't try to understand them.
They think and act according to their feelings, not logic.

>>25157126
You're already a normie you fucking faggot

I can also guarantee you're not 18 you underage b&

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>>25157241
i turned 18 back in june, been posting on r9k since 2011. stay mad faggot

>>25157102
I've previously said going to the gym is merely one piece, and not even the most useful one. Do you really not know any unfit chads or buff robots?

>>25157106
Creepy is 90% body language. Do you stand up straight? Keep eye contact? Smile?

>>25157126
>dating site
Bad start imo. Can make it work, but most dating site chicks are flakes.

Prepare a couple stories. Fun things you've done, cool memories. Make stories out of them. Bitches love anecdotes, man.

Do not drink and drive anon. Never fucking worth it. Understand?

>>25157135
Anon, why are you considering this a failure? This is like the first step in success for you. That girl wanted you to kiss her. You're on the path. GJ. After practice and more practice you'll sperg less and less.

>>25157144
Am I happy having a social life? Yes.

It's not like I completely 180'd my personality and became someone completely different. I didn't sacrifice anything. Do you think my life is a shallow fuck fest or something? Like people are either robots or normalfags and the streams should never cross?

>>25157171
Why are you scared of girls?

>>25157192
Classic. This happens a lot, and it throws a lot of experienced guys for a loop.

What happened was, there was a break in state. You and her bonded past all the initial getting to know each other fun, but not enough to have a lasting connection.

Then the emotional state broke (she hung out with someone else, but I've had this happen with them just going to the washroom), and then it's all different.

Easiest way to reset this imo is will callback humour, (try to reference a joke you used when she was with you and having fun), or nicknames, etc. Something to bring her back to where she was.

Sometimes you just can't though, and you gotta let it go.

She's pretty much dead to you now, move on, learn from it.

>>25157102
>how dare you try to interrupt our self-pitying circlejerk
>waaaahhh get out normie un-virgin

You are not one of the guys OP is trying to help. You are beyond hope, a failure because of his own choosing.

>>25157272
>I share this board with 15 year olds

Makes sense.

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>>25157298
>Anon, why are you considering this a failure? This is like the first step in success for you. That girl wanted you to kiss her. You're on the path. GJ. After practice and more practice you'll sperg less and less.

Thanks Chad-sama

>>25151179
My social skills are pretty shit plus i built a bad self image of gamer and butt of jokes guy.
I have a couple of friends and can barely talk to qts.
What can you do to help?

>>25157298
>Do you think my life is a shallow fuck fest or something
I don't, but this is what you are saying, isn't it?

>Like people are either robots or normalfags and the streams should never cross?
No, this board is almost entirely delusion, it's good for 'avin' a giggle and some fun banter, but nothing more.

>>25157298
>Why are you scared of girls?
I've just always known that getting involved with them would lead to bad things. Most people have to learn that the hard way even in adulthood.

>>25157349
Never forget, Chad will have been rejected by girl many, many times. When he gets rejected, does he cry about it on 4chan? No, he laughs it off and moves on to the next target.

>>25157349
Part of this is allowing yourself to be happy when you make progress.

>>25157365
I can give advice, but it's really up to you to take it. Why do you have a bad self image? Why do you let your hobbies of games define you? What jokes are you the butt of?

>>25157369
No, but it seemed you were implying it. I'm quite happy with my life, and I want to help other anons be happier too.

>>25157388
Like what, anon? What specifically do you fear?

>>25157298
Haven't spoke to her either, best thing I could do about it (I guess) is pretend not to care ever and if I ever go back to LA call her for a couple beers, if she says yes, 10/10 sex is guaranteed, but nothing else will happen while I'm away from her.

I also think that her 'friends' from san francisco were really her boyfriend and she just found in me someone that she liked to have sex with for a few days until her bf arrived, and no one would know because I was going to leave anyway. Feels bad to think of me about someone's 2nd choice, but I guess that's wrong of me, I should just say 'fuck it' and move on.

>>25157410
This. I've been turned down by so many girls it's crazy. You will fail over and over and over and over until you git gud. Even then you won't have a 100% success ratio.

It's a continually improving skill. There's no graduation where suddenly you're like romeo or some shit and all the girls jump on your D. It's a slow and steady grind.,

>>25157411
I drink a quite a bit of Mt Dew, bout 2-3 cases a week
I don't really let them define me, but like others, beyond gaming and code, i have nothing to say.
mostly ones about not being able to communicate with girls, jokes about excessive gaming and mt dew drinking

>>25157411
>Like what, anon? What specifically do you fear?
Everything.

And the fact is that things do go wrong far more often than they don't, but I guess most people don't really care or think about it.

>>25157426
To me, I probably would just erase the number. Dead weight and you might have already wrecked any future booty call potential by seeming too clingy in your texts to her.

I don't know many people that would say cucking a guy means you're the girls second choice anon. Women are fickle and flightly, never take rejection personally.

>>25157451
So stop drinking so much mountain dew. Shit will give you kidney stones man. You don't want those.

Plus its so bad for you skin and health overall.

Broaden your horizons. You might find you like other things. What's the worst that can happen.

I'm not saying stop ever playing games or coding or drinking mountain dew, but try to branch out and apply the same diligence you have in coding and games to every aspect of your life.

You can't be the serious butt of a joke if it doesn't make sense anymore, and if they still make those jokes after you're cleaned up, then it's just bantz. Laugh with them.

>>25157490
It seems to me you have a lot of anxiety about women.

Are some women gonna reject you? Yep. Are some women nuts? Yep. Does that mean you should close yourself off to women completely? Hell no.

Maybe start small. Just practice some opinion openers with some random chicks.

>>25157507
Thanks Chad, i'll drop the mt dew intake a bit, it's killer on money too
One other thing, I'm pretty shit at picking up social cues. I've been told after the fact that a girl was hitting on me. Any general things that make it obvious?

>>25157534
But as I already said, my preferences are so out there that there's simply nobody here who I'd be even half-interested in. Even if there was, there'd be too many practical problems.

>>25157567
Signs a girl likes you:

Says your name a lot
Touches herself (not masturbating, I mean like hair, adjusting her outfit, etc)
Feet pointing to you
Blushing.

Also, ask your friends how they knew the girl was into you.

Try people watching. Go to the bar, order a drink or two, and just watch. See guys who seem successful. What do they do? See that girl chatting that girl, does she seem to like him? etc. It's a skill that needs to be honed.

>>25157574
So? Do it anyway. Whats the worst that can happen? A girl you're not interested in anyway rejects you?

You gain some more social acumen?

>>25157616
Sidenote:

Don't focus on one girl and look for these signs she likes you. If a girl isn't interested (and after awhile, it will be obvious if she isn't), just move on. Don't waste your time.

I know some of you will look at this list and be like "one time anonette's feet were facing toward me! She likes me!"

Don't overthink it. Just try. Ask for the date.

>>25157616
What would be the point of approaching women if I have no interest in associating with them in any way?

>>25157647
If you don't want to associate with women, or gain friends, why did you enter this thread?

>>25157681
You're going to start playing this game? Really?

>>25157707
I'm genuinely curious. I want to help, but I don't know what you want.

>>25157727
Not everything posted on 4chan is a result of someone wanting something.

>>25157647
>What would be the point of approaching women if I have no interest in associating with them in any way?

If you don't want, don't do it.

>>25157783
Okay anon. Thanks for the bumps. I understand your opinion on women, but I don't personally share it. I think that even though things can end poorly, It's worth it for the experience.

Also, women aren't as insane (in terms of property damage, etc) as stories posted would lead you to believe.

>>25157298
Yeah generally. I'm a diagnosed aspie so I'm sure there's something off about me when I talk to people. I'm just tryna figure out what it is.

>>25157909
Best advice for working on mannerisms and body language is to get a full length mirror. Look at how you stand normally

Go people watching, see what successful guys do.

Put it into practice. Some basics:

Stand up straight.
Shoulders back, relaxed.
Don't slouch your neck.
Head up, unless there is something specifically to look down at, you look ahead.
Feet shoulder width or slightly more apart
Hands not in pockets, arms not crossed.

Look people in the eyes more, being evasive with that is one of the main "creepy" things I've found.

>>25157969
Oh! Don't mouth breathe. That's a big one too.

Alright friend, here's what I got for you.

I'm pretty well on the road to chad-dom
>used to be fat
>no friends
>0 social interaction
>go to college
>lose weight
>big normie friend group now
>not a sperg or anything
>interact perfectly fine in most settings (though I get anxious and quiet some times, but not often)
>decently attractive now that I'm /fit/ (I know this because I get hit on/asked on by girls semi-frequently)
so i started casually going out with a girl recently now, and I really like her. Our dates have went pretty well, good conversation and the likes, but the main problem I have now is that I am a complete kissless virgin still and am deathly afraid about making the moves into physical contact. How do I know when to do it/what to do what happens. I don't want to be embarrassed by trying to initiate it when I'm not supposed to and I am also afraid about my performance in bed espc because I have a small penis (5.5 in). i get a lot of anxiety when thinking about this when I go out with girls. any advice?

>>25158194
Get condoms and practice with them. Jerk off with a condom on a few times so your dick gets used to the feeling. Practice taking out a condom from the package and putting it on your dick quickly and smoothly.

Just one of the many steps, but at least you can eliminate condom anxiety this way. Don't underestimate this for a first-timer.

>>25158194
Anon, you have girls hitting on you, so don't worry about what happens if you mess up with a girl. Worst case if you just find another girl.

Most girls I will at least kiss by the first night. If she's into you, it'll be fine. Start with light touches, take her to a pool game, adjust her stance. Watch a movie as home, put your arm around her.

If she keeps going on dates with you, she WANTS you to touch her. If you're going with the movie example, during a slow part you might catch her eye, she will likely look at you for a few seconds, then kiss her.

The thing is, you can't do a "this, then this and then this" approach to touch, because it varies so wildly. Just be confident. She wouldn't be there if she didn't want to be touched.

As a rough guide

Gentle touch (arm around, casual pats on back, shit like that) -> kiss/heavier touche (hand on knee).

At this point, are you alone in a place it would socially acceptable for you to grope her? if so

While making out, move a hand by her midriff (assuming a shirt, dress is different), slowly approach the breast. If she doesn't stop you, you're good to go. Just go in the logical order from there.

Practice with condoms. You'll feel stupid but it helps. You don't want to be like "dur how do" in the moment.

5.5 isn't small. It's approx average. Could do better, could do worse.

Plus women are spacially retarded.

You first time is probably gonna be shit, and that's okay. There will be plenty more times.

>>25158342
thanks friend. Just gunna take some phenibut and buck up when I get back from break I guess. Wish me luck

>>25158398
Good luck anon! Just remember, women are plentiful.

>>25151179

Alright Chad. Sitting a stone's throw across from the train tracks and I gave it a bite by reading the whole thread.
Still angry as fuck and feeling empty but I won't deny there's some solid advice here.

>>25158533
Like I said, I'm not gonna give shit like "be urself lol".

I'm giving out practical, useful advice. I only want to give back to my bros.

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How do I stop being insecure?

>>25158761
What are you insecure about?

>>25152101

>psychological evaluation based on a three word response is something chad would do.imafuckingretard

>>25158768
>my looks
>Speech inpedament
>no confidence
>probably have a mental disorder
>dumb
>virgin
>my really really beta past

My past is what really hurts me

>>25158877
What about your looks? I'm not exactly a looker myself. You can fix haircut/body fat/ etc.

Have you done speech therapy? How bad is your impediment?

You'll have confidence after you see some success with basics. Don't worry about this now.

Dumb? You think the majority of chicks care about intellect? Plus, how dumb are you?

As for virgin and beta, so was I. You can't change what you've done, but you CAN fix it going forward.

>>25153670
>your destiny is yours
Yeah keep feeding me that bullshit, you are just another a nerdy late bloomer who thinks you got it all figured out, you come here for the ego boost and nothing more.

>>25159032
>I've been here for like 255 replies for an ego boost
Nah.

Are you really implying you can't work out/work on social skills/get plastic surgery?

I'm unsure as to what you take offense to.

I have a small dick, maybe barely 5 inches long. Nothing can be done about it.

>>25159086
5 is on the shorter side, but it's not micro sized by any means.

No girl is gonna walk out laughing over a 5 inch dick, anon.