Who do you side with, /r9k/?
>inb4 Trump
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz
>>25132076
get the fuck out you fucking slut, no one wants roasties, especially tripfag roasties.
>>25132076
which one of them will let me have that assisted suicide thing? I agree with them
>>25132076
RANDAL
H
PAUL
I don't know who these people are. Isn't America a two party country, why are there so many of them if you only have 2 parties?
As a Britfag I don't really give a fuck but would prefer trump to win, just because all the liberal "refugees welcome" cucks over her absolutely hate him, and it would make my dick so hard to see how triggered they get.
>>25132166
The voters from each party choose a candidate in a mini election known as a primary. There's usually one candidate representing each wing of the party and the most popular one becomes the candidate
>>25132178
please don't senpai, keep your retardness out of the actual election and on /pol/
test to see if I'm banned ;-;
>>25132076
im a yuropoor so what do i know
>>25132219
>>25132188
I didn't know that, thanks.
Guess it's better since people have a choice who their party's presidental candidate should be, here it's the party's leader choice and people vote mindlessly for either ex commies or ultracatholic maniacs
Can't find the screenshot, but it was something like this:
>Trump 93%
>Rubio 92%
>Cruz 89%
>Rand 85%
And so on.
>>25132290
btw i dont support her or like her much, i just aswered the questions.
95% Sanders
88% Clinton
>>25132296
i never said i support hilliary; another demonstration of your inability to reason
THE LION OF THE WEST
>>25132076
This is absolutely and positively bait. Move along guys. Also, filter this idiot.
>>25132076
>Should employers be required to pay men and women, who perform the same work, the same salary?
Dropped as shit. Please give a serious quiz for me to take next time.
>>25132076
lmao, whenever I hit something that goes against the liberal agenda, the "how important is this to you?" meter flashes red. fuck outta here tripfag libcuck roastie, why do you even come here.
I'm the >>25132291 guy and I did the test.
Is this dude any good?
>>25132595
>2015
>taking /pol/ seriously
fuck off to be honest family
>all these left wing parasites
not surprised, considering the learned helplessness that plagues this board
>>25132595
Its not about being liberal or not. The wage gap is just a myth, its been disproven multiple times, and people who still think its real shouldn't even be allowed to vote. I don't wanna be asked stupid redundant questions.
>>25132631
also this.
muh freedom
muh no drugs
muh laissez faire
>>25132669
trump 2016 baby
>>25132076
im proud
>>25132076
>http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz
>Should employers be required to pay men and women, who perform the same work, the same salary?
Fucking seriously?
>>25132730
Im not saying the site is rigged, I'm saying its an irrelevant thing to ask. And no, I would agree some police retraining is in order, because there is evidence of that being an issue. The wage gap simply doesn't exist, and is thus pointless to ask about.
>wound up at 93% for Clinton and Sanders
I suppose "Left-Wing Authoritarian" does describe me.
>>25132076
>siding with hillary on foreign policy
>siding with bernie on economics
what the fuck are you doing?
>>25132076
>liking Hillary
I hope you don't actually want her to win. Shit, I'm pretty far left and even I think she's a total cunt.
>>25132446
yes
he publicly denounced the latest series of college protesters for being sheltered sjws
Cant trump the stump
>>25132076
>take quiz few weeks ago
>side mostly with old man Sanders
>Hillary nowhere on list, because she's a cunt. Side more with Jeb Bush than her, for christ sake
>take it again today, suddenly agree with her on 91% of issues
Possible take aways:
>Hillary shills are pushing super hard, even hitting this shitty site
>Hillary flip flopped so hard so that people would like her, meaning she's even less worthy of candidacy than I originally thought.
I really dislike Hillary.
>>25132076
I am European
I probably wouldn't vote for Bernie if I lived in the USA, because he couldn't pass anything
>>25133085
>trump number one
>sanders close second
Explain.
from euro also. not that surprising to be honest
>>25133233
>>25133174
>tfw european
>don't care about murrican politics
>never ever had the conservative/liberal settings
Do you feel spooked by the great illusive grey one on your black white world?
exactly what i thought i would get
>as if I'm even voting
>>25133411
my nigga desu senpai
>>25132076
Blah blah fucking blah.
>>25133233
>>25133174
get on my level. randlet the manlet will make anime real tho.
>>25133771
If I wasnt so racist I would propably have the same result. Noice 5/5
T.>>25133085
>>25133174
>>25133233
do people not realize that trump is actually fairly liberal compared to most republicans on certain issues? we're talking about a candidate that wants to increase taxes on the upper class and has talked about a single-payer health care system in the past, and also emphasizes how important universal health care is to the health of the nation.
Is he going to cck me?
>>25133965
he's pretty similar to bernie on certain taxation issues and health care issues. claiming he's not remotely similar is a joke.
what makes trump stand out the most is that not only does he genuinely seem concerned for the health of the middle class of america and have the most business sense of any candidate, but it seems like his business sense has given him an interesting perspective on foreign policy. i don't think i've ever seen a politician call out so much bullshit that our gov't pulls off with so much honesty. obviously, ron paul comes to mind as well, but he didn't quite get the media attention that trump is getting. both of them have put our errors on blast in a pretty blunt manner, but trump is doing it in a way that people can't ignore. it's brilliant
>all these shillary supporters
unbelievable
I'm not even a /pol/tard but if you vote in a left wing president, the US will become just as much of a laughing stock as Canada is right now
Feel the bern nigga
>>25132076
Please go and stay gone.
Rand Paul ftw senpai
>>25134225
-She's old
-She's a baby boomer
-She's a member of the wealthiest 1%
-She's the face of establishment politics
-She's a globalist neo-con
-She's of, by, and for the collusion between big govt and big corp
-She's a shameless liar
-She's the most non-transparent politician in history
-She has stroke-induced brain damage
-She's a cuckquean
-She was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying and being unethical
-She lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary
-She lied throughout her Whitewater scandal
-She lied about taking "sniper fire" when visiting the Balkans during 90s
-She lied about Benghazi
-She lied throughout her email scandal and continues to lie about it
-She lied about being broke after leaving the White House
-She received millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs for speaking engagements
-Her "charity" received tens of millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, and Citigroup
-Her "charity" received tens of millions of dollars from China, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE
-She supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Turkey
-She voted for the Patriot Act twice
-She was "adamantly against illegal immigration" before she was for it
-She was opposed to gay marriage before she was for it
-She was a lawyer who vehemently defended a rapist and laughed at the plight of the 12 year old rape victim
-She approved the sale of U.S. uranium to Russian nuclear corporations in exchange for millions of dollars in donations to her "charity"
-She gave out eight Secretary of State's Awards for Corporate Excellence, and seven of them were given to corporations who donated millions to her "charity"
She is literally every reason not to vote for a politician all rolled into one person.
Trump is the only person who can save the US from the degeneracy. Libtards are the downfall of western civilization.
Why is this shit adding senpai and desu to my posts fucking weeb shits
Donald Trump master race
>>25133876
"increase taxes on the upper class" LOL, hunh? trumps tax plan goes as far in favor of the wealthy as it can get
the fuck do people hear this shit? literally none of trumps plans are either detailed or practical, he's a fucking joke and stop shilling for him
>>25134050
absolute fucking ideology; just because he isn't part of the establishment doesn't mean he is with us? what compassion are you talking about? the compassion for wealthy, Christian Americans?
>>25132076
This thing seems quite inaccurate. Some of these percentages scare me.
>>25134817
>>25134860
why do libcucks have this misconception? trump has documented his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and cut taxes on the middle class.
i also find it interesting that you use the word christian as if it were derogatory. are you a mudslime, by chance?
Too bad Cruz is hardcore in Jewish koffers.
You guys could really use an anarchist or a socialist to explain everything to you. I don't know if I'll try because you probably wouldn't understand anyway.
Hmm. If you swap Hillary and Trump and throw in a Green Party candidate between them this is pretty much how I plan to vote.
So many libcucks ITT.
>>25132076
Why do I always get bernie?
>>25134225
What's wrong with the left-wing?
The right wing wants to screw me over
>>25132076
Fuck off you ugly fat cunt, I see your God damn trip on every thread. This is an anonymous image board, are you really so fucking vapid that you need to feel like a special little cupcake on it
>>25132076
End My Fucking Life F.a.m
>>25132076
LMAOOO DUUDE GUACCCCC
>>25132312
Don't worry m8, she just takes preferable stances with no intent of actually supporting them.
What were your answers for the suicide question?
Yes. Suicide in general should not be illegal. Nobody asked me if I wanted to be born. Why should I have to ask to leave?
>>25132567
I live under a rock, what happened on Friday?
>>25132274
You really should be.
So are most of you all Republicans due to race and immigration issues?
>being socially republican
Is Martin O'Malley a respectable choice /r9k/?
>>25136574
i'm republican because leftist economic policies are retarded
>>25136654
Would you say that economic policy based on supply-side theory is benefiical to most Americans? If so, why?
>>25132076
Brit here. Did the UK 2015 version of this when it was on and got Labour (the commies) tbhh.
CANT BURN THE BERN
Not even an Americunt.
>>25132076
not surprising, Bernie is the only decent candidate in this election
>>25136811
Bernie is objectively the worst candidate in this election. He's a liar and runs a lie based campaign, based solely off of fear of the rich. Say what you want about trump, but at least he fears terrorism and not people keeping their own money.
81% Clinton, 78% Bernie
I'll be voting for Bernie though.
Not to sound like bait but anyone who doesn't agree with my political beliefs is either selfish or retarded, my entire belief system revolves around wanting everyone to have a relatively enjoyable existence. (Since no one asks to be born)
>NEET faggots all want Bernie to support their degenerate lifestyles
Not surprised.
>>25139123
Better steal from some to give to others, than.
>>25139275
You don't need millions. Nobody NEEDS millions.
We don't NEED to spend more than 25~ allies combined on miltary spending
Why can't humans stop being a detriment to their own species, is this the curse of higher "intelligence"?
>>25139275
Actually I put it in terms you'll understand.
Taylor Swift this year essentially made one million dollars a DAY this year.
I could budget and live off 2million for essentially the rest of my life(I'm 21, assuming I spend 3000/month on living expenses, with 2mill I'd be able to live without working for 55~years)
Less than 2% of her annual income is worth that much^.
Tell me how it's not ridiculous that we don't tax the rich way more?
>>25132076
i didn't expect that I would be considered this sharply opinionated
especially didn't think i would get a 100 in anything
>>25136698
i'm more concerned with cutting spending than I am cutting takes, and no leftwing candidates would ever consider cutting entitlements, which are the most expensive section of our budget and rapidly growing in terms of cost
i'm also an advocate of cutting military spending
Pretty happy with my results
>>25132076
Weird, I thought I leaned more towards Trump. I definitely wouldn't complain if Rand won though. My most important thing is drug legalization.
>>25139414
>>25139640
It doesn't matter. It's theirs and tax is theft. Nobody NEEDS most of what we have.
I didn't even know he was running.
>>25139986
Not the anon you responded to but what exact are "entitlements"?
If you look at it from a parent/guardian-child standpoint(which you should) it is the job of the govt to make sure it's people(children) are safe and fed.
>>25140781
Wew i don't think I want to see your ideologies.
>>25141177
>It's theirs and tax is theft.
Man this is why I hate humanity. If you honestly think it's okay for there to be people, fellow humans, who starve to death or things of that nature while someone pays a car payment amount to eat steak with gold flakes, then you're the disease that needs to be eradicated from this species.
You don't like our taxes go move to another country(completely none of the retarded off-shore accounts bullshit)
My ideology wants to improve everyone's quality of life. If I have to make 1 million people slightly unhappy to make 299 million people's lives better I will do that in a heartbeat.
I'm probably not even gonna vote
>73% Sanders
>73% Trump
I wot?
>>25141390
>looking at everyone elses responses
>santorum isnt even on anyone's list
WHAT DID I DO
>>25141430
>Wew i don't think I want to see your ideologies.
Here you go.
>>25141430
>Man this is why I hate humanity. If you honestly think it's okay for there to be people, fellow humans, who starve to death or things of that nature while someone pays a car payment amount to eat steak with gold flakes, then you're the disease that needs to be eradicated from this species.
That's not my problem. I only care about my family and friends. Everyone else can suck my dick.
>You don't like our taxes go move to another country(completely none of the retarded off-shore accounts bullshit)
Why don't you move to another country? There are plenty that fall in line with how you think. America is the closest country to my way of thinking that there is.
>My ideology wants to improve everyone's quality of life. If I have to make 1 million people slightly unhappy to make 299 million people's lives better I will do that in a heartbeat.
That's cool and all but it's still wrong to take other peoples money to help the less fortunate. There are voluntary charities for that.
>>25141390
He's ready to try and take the place of that government niggotiator.
I'm a registered Democrat but I can't stand Hillary and while Bernie seems nice I don't like his "we have to apologize for slavery" and "we need to create safe spaces" talk. I've read Webb's positions on on the issues and he seems to align with me the most desu. Trump is hilarious though, and I wouldn't mind seeing him BTFO hillary in a debate
Our God Emperor will not be stopped.
>>25132076
>voting for hildog
she used to be awesome but now is just shitty pandering, down with hildog
Not at all surprised.
>>25141486
Actually I meant your themes but man you're essentially The Rand man himself.
>>25141577
>That's not MY problem. "I" only care about MY family and friends.
So...you really don't see a problem with this limited "I'm the literal center of the universe" mentality?
Why don't you move to another country?
I was born here and my way of thinking benefits the 100 over the 1.
>That's cool and all but it's still wrong to take other peoples money to help the less fortunate.
Stop thinking of yourself as of a different species. With our increased why can't we understand that if we're all gonna die someday we should make everyone's existence a relatively pleasant one? Why can't people understand common courtesy?
I'm not saying for example we take 350m of Taylor's 365m. But she doesn't need 365m. She made more in a year than 182~ people make in their lifetime.
Do you not see the madness in this?
>>25141968
>So...you really don't see a problem with this limited "I'm the literal center of the universe" mentality?
I do not.
>I was born here and my way of thinking benefits the 100 over the 1.
I was born here too. I don't care about the 100. I wish them luck, but I don't care. Unfortunately there's no other country that aligns with my thinking. There's many for you. If there was a country that was closer to the way I want it, you could bet your ass I'd go there. I don't understand why you don't want to leave to a country with people like yourself.
>Stop thinking of yourself as of a different species. With our increased why can't we understand that if we're all gonna die someday we should make everyone's existence a relatively pleasant one? Why can't people understand common courtesy?
I can't understand why you care about people you don't know.
>I'm not saying for example we take 350m of Taylor's 365m. But she doesn't need 365m. She made more in a year than 182~ people make in their lifetime.
Yeah, she made it. It's her's.
>Do you not see the madness in this?
I do not. But I do see the madness in this "forced charity".
>>25141968
Here ya go, had to figure out how to paste.
>>25132076
I don't like this test because it runs on the assumption that the candidates actually stand for the policies that they promise and the principles they pay lip service to.
>>25142253
> "I" don't care about the 100. I wish them luck, but "I" don't care. Unfortunately there's no other country that aligns with my thinking. There's many for you. If there was a country that was closer to the way I want it, you could bet your ass I'd go there.
>I can't understand why you care about people you don't know.
There can't be a country that believes in what you believe because you essentially don't believe in country. You are selfish. And unchecked selfishness is the plague on humanity, it's the one thing standing in our way of greatness. Understand that there is an existence outside of your own. There is a reason I can't take people like you seriously, you are mentally children. You can't into Object permanence. Can't comprehend that people, beings at the same cognitive level as YOU, exist.
>>25132076
donald tiberius trump
>There can't be a country that believes in what you believe because you essentially don't believe in country.
Sure there can.
>You are selfish.
I am not. I care and help out my family and friends.
>And unchecked selfishness is the plague on humanity, it's the one thing standing in our way of greatness.
I think we're pretty great already.
>Understand that there is an existence outside of your own.
I understand that, it's just that I only care about mine and my family/friends.
>There is a reason I can't take people like you seriously, you are mentally children.
Honestly, that's the vibe that you're giving to me.
>You can't into Object permanence.
I can, I just don't care.
>Can't comprehend that people, beings at the same cognitive level as YOU, exist.
I do comprehend that. What makes you think I don't?
>>25132076
>>>/pol/
Also, Trump.
>>25141968
The problem is that Taylor Swift Earned every single penny of that 365 million. Unless she somehow stole all of that money from her millions of adoring fans, she deserves to keep every penny, minus a flat percentage for military, infrastructure, etc. It should not be the governments job to attempt to support people who are either not capable or simply do not want to try and support themselves. If this is how the government operated things would be much better, as many of the undesirables would die off and not spawn more genetically inferior humans, improving the race as a whole.
>>25136574
i'm a republican because of foreign issues. i don't know enough about topics like healthcare and economics to debate people, but trump is the only candidate since ron paul who seems to have an understanding of the situation in the middle east and has demonstrated he understands how each action taken by the US could have consequences that take a few years to happen.
i don't think that most republicans are dumb enough to let some NEET like me have a better understanding of these issues, but from what i've seen from politician on both the left and right, many of them seem completely clueless (see joe biden for the most hilarious example) or refuse to be open with the public. trump has been transparent on his views while also demonstrating a fairly educated opinion, and no other candidate can come close to him on this topic. bernie sanders is completely clueless, just look at his statements about the situation in syria. hillary clinton has already failed time and time again when given the opportunity to show she can handle foreign affairs.
>>25141454
i said this earlier, but trump is called a RiNO because previously he has favored single-payer health care (much like canadian and european countries) but now has been a bit more vague on his statements and his overall plan, but it's likely going to be similar but with an american twist. recently he's admitted that he thinks ben carson's plan is very viable and rational. also trump is in favor of increasing taxes on the upper class to help bolster what he considers a floundering middle class, which is the opposite of reagan's trickle down economics, and more in line with the views of sanders.
>>25142865
Yet the government hands out billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks to corporations already turning a profit. But we don't hear any outcry against that. Because when it's a poor person on food stamps it's a parasite, and when it's a corporation making millions or billions of dollars in profit it's just clever use of game mechanics.
>>25142774
>I understand that, it's just that I only care about mine and my family/friends.
>I am not. I care and help out my family and friends.
If you don't care about the country. Why the fuck should you get a say in it.
>I can, I just don't care.
>Honestly, that's the vibe that you're giving to me.
>I do comprehend that. What makes you think I don't?
The fact that learning how to share is something people learn in Kindergarten and object permanence is something you develop way earlier.
>>25142865
You're so delusional. Genetics have literally nothing to do with how much money you make. In fact, in most cases people only got rich because they were already decently wealthy and could start up a profitable business. The rest of America isn't like that. All we can do is be wageslaves or start small businesses to be beaten by the big money.
>>25132178
cruzbro detected
>>25132290
Not an excuse to support Shillary.
Gas the normies, build wall now.
>>25142865
>If this is how the government operated things would be much better
what many people fail to understand, especially republicans, and it's something that trump understands, is that it's desirable to have healthy class differential as the working class is incredibly important to the country. trickle down economics wasn't the answer, and neither was increased regulation on the free market. trump is the only one to have proposed an alternate plan that involves specific de-regulation to make the growth of wealth for business ventures more accessible to everyone while also increasing the tax rate on those profiting off said de-regulations. i'm going to value a successful business man's opinion on how we could grow our country and re-establish a dominant middle class over government figures who want to either push forward with reagonomics or government figures who think that over-regulation is beneficial.
the best part about the election so far is that trump has already shown he can take a dollar further than any candidate. bush and cruz have both spent over $100 million on campaigning, clinton has spent around the same and so has sanders, yet trump is hovering around $5 million. he's already proving, right in front of our eyes, that he can spend his dollar more efficiently than any candidate, by an incredible margin.
>>25142865
>improving the race as a whole
Except for in a non-Darwinian society, people talk to other people, and interact in daylight. They are compassionate to one another and generally don't want suffering for their species.
>>25143032
>If you don't care about the country. Why the fuck should you get a say in it.
Because I live here and I was born here.
>The fact that learning how to share is something people learn in Kindergarten and object permanence is something you develop way earlier.
I know how to share. It doesn't mean you fucking have to. This isn't the playground. I share with my family and friends all the time. What does object permanence have to do with this? I know that people exist when I'm not around them.
little rube!
we republican now
>poll says I'm a centrist
>70% agree with clinton
>mfw
Not voting for her. Ever.
>>25143361
it doesn't mean much, if you delve deeper you'll find that about 60% of the issues are generally agreed upon by all the candidates. 70% sounds about right for the average centrist.
>>25143145
>Because I live here and I was born here.
Congratulations. Unfortunately you were born in the wrong country. This country is for the people, by the people. Not for the person, by the person. What a legitimately degenerate mindset you have. You're as bad the muslims who move to a european country and then try to get Sharia law introduced.
>I know how to share. It doesn't mean you fucking have to. This isn't the playground. I share with my family and friends all the time. What does object permanence have to do with this? I know that people exist when I'm not around them.
Do you really? Because that's what a country is. A country by definition is not just your family and friends.
>>25143073
As a Trump supporter I would venture to say his small amount of campaign money is because he doesn't have to sell himself. The news coverage sells him for him. He's the talk of the town because "build a wall." Nobody gives a fuck anout Rubio so he's gotta sell himself to us.
I saw a "nobama" sticker baxk when Obama was first running and my grandpa said it was silly cause now the people against him a spreading his name too.
>>25133174
easy, he's full nazi
>trump for nationalism
>sanders for socialism
>>25143405
why are you so butthurt that someone in the land of the free has made a different choice than you?
>>25143445
Because these are two philosophies that totally color the definition of the word free. They have different interpretations of the word free.
Does free mean free to starve to death from poverty? Or does free mean free to live without the fear of starving?
anyone but shillary desu senpai
>>25143419
>The news coverage sells him for him
that's part of what i am getting at here. the reality is that he knows exactly what to say to further his message. i've said it before in these threads, but when he said there should be a temporary block on muslims in america, that was absolutely brilliant. his message spread and it exposed quite a few people who have no business representing america.
what made that message so brilliant was the context of the statement. this came after the paris attacks. this came after ISIS captured more land in syria, which included a gov't building that has access to a syrian registry and the building also has the capability of producing passports. this came after the DHS published a report stating they don't have adequate means to determine whether or not refugees have links to terrorist organizations. anyone who now goes against trump's plan, that has been used by america in the past, will get put on blast and be branded as a terrorist enabler by any rational person
>>25143445
I'm not butthurt. I'm just trying to understand why when talking about electing a person who is going to be the representative of a country, we should be listening to a person that doesn't believe in the idea of a country?
Go back to farm life and hunting/gathering if you care only about your family and friends. If you want to enjoy the benefits of modern society/civilization you need to accept that there is more to just your minuscule social circle. Degenerate.
>>25143405
>Congratulations. Unfortunately you were born in the wrong country.
Actually, it looks like you were.
>This country is for the people, by the people. Not for the person, by the person.
This country is for freedom.
>What a legitimately degenerate mindset you have.
I hate that word, but you're the one with a degenerate mindset.
>You're as bad the muslims who move to a european country and then try to get Sharia law introduced.
No I'm not, because I'm a citizen. Don't act like you don't want this country to be radically different than it is too.
>Do you really?
I do.
>Because that's what a country is. A country by definition is not just your family and friends.
A country is an area that people live in that has laws.
>>25143524
Free means you can do what you want as long as you're not infringing on other's rights.
>>25143524
both, you're free to apply for foodstamps, and you'e also free to make something of yourself, save money, and be able to pay for the peace of mind that comes with not having to stress about where your next meal comes from. If you honestly starve to death in America today, you had it coming.
>>25143637
While I agree you have to see it from a purest's perspective of what 'free' means. And then you have to accept the logical consequences of that. You really can't have both because we have the option to apply for food stamps so the "socialist" side has one already. Money is being taken from people to pay for others food.
>>25143595
they believe in changing the idea of that country by casting a vote. that's what voting is for. the candidate elected best represents the individual, not the "idea of what the country should be." You don't get to where you wanna go by electing someone you don't actually agree with because it's the "right thing to do." That is asking for trouble and discontent. You vote for the person who will represent what you actually want best.
It is certainly amazing how holding conservative beliefs and looking out for yourself in this country has become the rebellious point of view.
>>25143695
I'm only talking about his right to vote however he chooses. His view is probably not the majority one, so you don't really have to worry about this kind of thinking affecting anyone but him. If the majority DOES side with him and votes accordingly, yes, you might want to look into moving to Canada, like everyone talks about every four years.
>>25143613
If that is your definition of freedom then I shouldn't have to pay any taxes nor pay any allegiance to anyone or anything. We should be capitalist "anarchists." We should have to police nor laws because laws infringe on my freedom. And, of course, taxation is theft, remember so no public roads, schools, military, or food and drug regulations.
>>25143841
you're free to pay taxes, and you're free to disagree with paying taxes, you're free to not pay your taxes, and you're free to move somewhere else. don't know why you would though, this system is about as good as it gets in terms of quality of life.
it's the wee hours of the morning and i don't think I'm gonna argue with an ancap.
>>25132427
>should be paid the same
They should. Women should get less for putting in less overtime, less for being less available, less for wanting parenting time, etc.
You are chronically retarded if you think equality means treating people unequally.
>>25143841
What I meant by taxation is theft is that I don't think there should be income tax, and property tax. Sales tax can cover roads, schools, a massively scaled back military, and cops. There should be basic laws like no killing or stealing.
>>25143841
Are.. you being sarcastic? Anarchocapitalism is not a viable system in 2015
well okay then
bernie for the most part with republican ideas for foreign policy and immigration, sounds about right
keep syrian out, lets take care of americans
>>25132076
>Hillary Clinton
>on foreign policy
>85%
And these same people will complain when nuclear war arrives.
>>25143613
>Actually, it looks like you were.
Not really, The president is "in charge" of this country. The president is elected by the people not by one person. Sure you might be one of those people but you are not all of them. Which again is something I think you're really not fully grasping.
>I hate that word, but you're the one with a degenerate mindset.
Degenerate- (adj.) having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
(technical)- lacking some property, order, or distinctness of structure previously or usually present, in particular.
(noun) -an immoral or corrupt person.
(verb)- decline or deteriorate physically, mentally, or morally.
By every definition of the word your mindset is
>A country is an area that people live in that has laws.
See you're really not getting this whole "people" thing. People != {You, your friends, your family}
>>25143697
>It is certainly amazing how holding conservative beliefs and looking out for yourself in this country has become the rebellious point of view.
I think you're confusing conservative views for selfish ones. No intelligent person likes greed.
It's like you degenerates don't understand the difference between morals and ethics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuvIqbAw5dA
>>25143930
If I refuse to pay taxes then I get sent to prison. There's no free choice in that. I'm not an ancap I'm just pointing out the logical conclusion of his premises.Anarcho-capitalists aren't real anarchists
>>25143949
Fair enough.
>>25143953
Again, I'm trying to show the logical conclusion of his premises and his interpretation of 'free.'
>>25132076
I wish more people we smart enough to know why Bernie is the best and most reasonable habbit.
Stupid americans
>>25143949
Sales tax is regressive. The poor pay a much higher percentage of their income.
Ted Cruz is pretty cool. He wants to the protect the constitution and isn't a war monger like Hillary. He also wants to deport all illegals. He is also a huge supporter of NASA and supports legalization of all drugs.
>>25144036
I can't even imagine that spineless old man taking charge of a primary school classroom.
>>25144010
>Not really, The president is "in charge" of this country. The president is elected by the people not by one person. Sure you might be one of those people but you are not all of them. Which again is something I think you're really not fully grasping.
We're talking about our own individual opinions. I know that most people don't see it my way. Most people would disagree with your super commie welfare state too.
>Degenerate- (adj.) having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
(technical)- lacking some property, order, or distinctness of structure previously or usually present, in particular.
(noun) -an immoral or corrupt person.
(verb)- decline or deteriorate physically, mentally, or morally.
By every definition of the word your mindset is
I see you that way.
>See you're really not getting this whole "people" thing. People != {You, your friends, your family}
I do. Where are you getting that?
Exactly what I expected. Lots of good choices though.
>>25144049
But the rich purchase more thing and more exspensive things.
>>25144098
You don't pay taxes on services or investments. Inherently, if you bought a business, that doesn't incur sales tax.
>>25144098
Ah, that's what you would think. How do you think they got rich and stayed that way anon, by spending all their money? No, they pool it with others who are rich and form corporations to buy their toys with, which are taxed at the same rate as a citizen.
>>25144049
So? I don't think we should tax the rich more than anyone else.
>>25144036
The only thing he and I agree with is net neutrality, legalization of weed, NASA support, NSA is evil, TPP is evil, and anti-war. But guess what most of the Republican candidates have those same exact views too yet also want to get rid of the illegals. His economic policies are Bernie's major problem besides the fact he is cowardly. I got 41% with Bernie because I don't agree with any of his economic policies or the fact he loves illegals. I got 89% with Cruz simply because I didn't agree with his economic policies.
>>25144134
Thanks anon.I'll save this for the next time I play devils advocate and choose the opposite side.
>>25144049
If enemies level to match and damage taken is %based, it removes the incentive to level and increase your HP.
>>25144190
When your HP reaches zero you respawn which decreases incentive to avoid death.
>>25144210
This is why communism doesn't work. Everyone just relies on the next guy to level, no one grinds because the burden of responsibility is spread equally over the population rather than resting solely on the shoulders of each individual.
>tfw I side with a lot of Republican candidates but then they say one horribly retarded thing that makes me completely unable to support them
>>25144210
exactly, but at level 80 wth 3000 hp each scaled hit (tax) is just as devastating as it was at level 5 with 100.
>>25144276
"oooh damn, this guy's views really align with mine but I just don't know if he's *cool* enough..."
>>25144069
>I see you that way.
Explain? You're the one abandoning your species. Morals how we treat the people we know but ethics are how we build a society. But what happens when society is ruled by the subjective morals of for example you and your family and you choose to project that onto complete strangers we all end up with a society that's governed by self-aggrandizement.
Again, retreat from society if you don't want to be a part of it. Your borderline sociopathic mentality of letting the 99 gape their assholes for the 1 is not needed.
>I do. Where are you getting that?
If a country is an area that people live in, then the laws put in place affect everyone. NOT just you, your friends and your family.
>>25144157
I think you left out the most important thing about Bernie. Bernie wants to fight the billionaire class, abolish citizens united and glass steagle for banks (most americans don't even know what these terms mean). Bernie wants to make people vote more and fix the voting system in general. But back to what I was saying. The most important thing for bernie to do is to break up the biggest corporations and tax wall street. The top 0.1% of this country is FAR FAR FAR too powerful and no one is going to do anything about it except Bernie. Most if not all republicans have donations from big money which in my mind destroys all their credibility. My personal favorite republicans are Rubio and Paul. However the only republcan I only ever liked was Ron Paul (the father). Otherwise it's really about time that amerifats realize how important it is to vote for Bernie. Immigrants are not the problem, politicians are a far far faaaaaar bigger problem I promise you guys that this is the truth. I'm getting 5 people to vote for Bernie so far I got 4 :)
>>25144279
That's how most games are though. Enemies level with the player and things get harder as you progress.
>>25144294
no i mean "hey i agree with ted cruz but oh he just said that net neutrality is obama trying to steal your internets and he will get rid of net neutrality when he's president"
>>25144334
But in real life, the hit is the same every time, and if you try to dodge it or block it you get put in prison.
>>25144355
You were originally arguing in favor of a regressive tax. (Sales tax) But now you're supporting a progressive tax which is what you described now. I apologize but I'm confused now.
>>25144140
A flat sales tax taxes the rich less in terms of total income. Spending on investments, insurance and retirement plans are also not affected by sales tax. Lower income households are not able to take advantage of such things, or can at a markedly lower rate, due to more or all of their income going towards necessities such as transportation, food, housing, etc.
>>25144349
We aren't electing a monarch. You have to vote not only based solely on whose ideas you agree with, but also what you think they can feasibly implement once in office. I have no doubt Bernie can award a million immigrants citizenship, but I don't believe he can pay for everyone's education and free his niggas in prison. If he is elected, his most notable events will be the legalisation of marijuana (which will happen no matter who is President) and the further economic ruin of the U.S. down the line.
Trump on the other hand... well I don't think he will get away with abolishing gay marriage and deporting the Mexicans, but I do think he can improve border control (god forbid people actually have to wait in LINE to get free shit) and reestablish the U.S. as an unapologetically self-interested superpower. His most notable contributions will be a burgeoning, more expansive middle class, and the legalisation of marijuana (hey, it's gonna happen).
>>25132076
>#1 85% Sanders
>#2 74% Clinton
>#3 74% Paul
>#6 62% Trump
yuropoor tho. Still kinda surprised with the percentages on clinton and trump
>>25144279
A level 80 has more abilities to deal with the incoming damage than a level 5. Incoming damage of 300 can be managed at level 80 but can be deadly at level 5. A level 80 would have no problems and a level 5 could never level up.
>>25144297
>Explain?
Helping the poor like you want to do is bad in the long run because they have no incentive to do anything. Why work if you can just collect handouts. Not to mention how fucked up it is to take money from people for this "forced charity".
>You're the one abandoning your species.
I have no obligation to give a fuck about strangers.
>Morals how we treat the people we know but ethics are how we build a society. But what happens when society is ruled by the subjective morals of for example you and your family and you choose to project that onto complete strangers we all end up with a society that's governed by self-aggrandizement.
All morals are subjective. Everyone tries to project their political views onto complete strangers. That's what you want to do as well.
>Again, retreat from society if you don't want to be a part of it.
No, I think I'll just try to make it the way I want. Just like you are.
>Your borderline sociopathic mentality of letting the 99 gape their assholes for the 1 is not needed.
Your views aren't needed either. This is all a matter of opinion.
>If a country is an area that people live in, then the laws put in place affect everyone. NOT just you, your friends and your family.
Your point?
i don't give a single solitary fuck about the way this country is governed because it's all inevitably going to shit.
that said, if i ever voted, i would probably toss one in there for Trump to make the end of this country 1. faster and 2. a lot more hilarious to watch
>>25144410
I'm arguing in favor of a regressive tax. I'm saying if a progressive tax were implemented, there would be no incentive to accumulate wealth.
>>25144498
exactly, which is how it is now. that's a regressive tax. now imagine if every incomng damage value was 25% of whatever health you have. the amount of health you have would then be irrelevant and there would be no incentive to level. Outside of abilities and skill upgrades, which don't exist in the real world and if you try to block or dodge incoming damage you are jailed,
>>25144518
Ah. The game analogy led me to believe you were in favor of a progressive tax because as you level so do your enemies. Either way I'd have to side with this anon >>25144498
>>25144432
Yeah, and? Progressive tax rates are cancer.
>>25144518
>there would be no incentive to accumulate wealth.
not the guy you were replying to, but i never got regressive tax.
Why should they accumulate wealth?
If one is self-sufficient enough without being very rich or anything, why 'punish' them for it?
I can imagine that if one wants to be wealthy, they shouldnt be stopped, but a _slightly_ progressive tax would still pay off in such cases, wouldnt it?
If i had to pay 10 cents extra for every dollar extra, id still be 90 cents richer., i mean.
>>25144634
reason to still use a prog. tax in such cases being the extra income for the government so it can reduce other taxes or improve government facilities like roads and education.
>>25144563
You do realize in that analogy that the level 5 can never level up unless he inherits his levels from his parents or uses cash shop items? Not only that, but the level 80 player also mocks him for being too lazy or too stupid for dying in one hit instead of leveling up.
Ability and skill upgrades absolutely do exist in real life. A retirement plan is absolutely a skill unlock, and you can't gain access to it if you're stuck being underleveled. Investments and insurance are a skill unlock.
>>25144574
The more I benefit from the "American Dream" the less I want to give back, am I right?
>>25144634
you're only being "punished" in comparison to someone further up the ladder, so to speak. a dollar is a dollar. A slightly progressive tax is optimal, you are right. I'm done with the game analogies. That's what Trump wants to do anyway, cut tax rates for the middle class to make living a middle class life more accessible while raising taxes on the rich. They're still gonna be rich, they'll just have to work harder for it.
>>25144673
>The more I benefit from the "American Dream" the less I want to give back, am I right?
Correct. No one has an obligation to help other people.
>>25144307
He spits the truth yo
>>25144307
>we are the 99% xdddd
Fuck you.
who /jeb/ here?
>>25144715
Because everybody accomplishes everything in a vacuum and doesn't benefit from society as a whole in any way. I only drive on roads that I personally pave. If my house catches fire it should burn down if I can't put it out myself.
>>25144461
>the further economic ruin of the U.S. down the line.
But that's implying socialism is bad. It works when it's slowly implemented as capitalism is finishing. (the advancement of workforce automations)
>>25144502
> Helping the poor like you want to do is bad in the long run because they have no incentive to do anything.
> No, I think I'll just try to make it the way I want. Just like you are.
> I have no obligation to give a fuck about strangers.
> Your views aren't needed either.This is all a matter of opinion.
See when I say people like you should be moved or be erased because you're toxic to society that's fact. It's not opinion. Society is by definition the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community. Your "It's all about ME and what "I" want" mentality tries to unravel that which is exactly what that video I pasted said. There's almost not a single thing I said that wasn't based of observable fact.
>All morals are subjective. Everyone tries to project their political views onto complete strangers. That's what you want to do as well.
>Your point?
You gotta be meme'n me, dude. Morals might be subjective but society uses ethics in political views because the morals that affect and are only believed between the 20 people around you, aren't universally believed. At this point I think you're just pulling my leg.
>not rolling with rubio
plebs
>>25144673
The level five can level up because enemies *don't level relative to the player.* So the level 80s brag about battling stronger enemies, but the level fives also have battles they can win.
Yes, if you try to punch above your weight to soon you could lose everything (stock market, real estate) but if you plan carefully and work up to it you will reap the rewards.
Consider this: a person who inherits valuables and wealth from their parents is similar to a player's respawn. You lose some money in the process but your gear stays with you (stays in the famiy).
Bernie is like the overly-hopeful kid that says he wants to be president in elementary school and rambles off all the great things he'd accomplish if he was in office.
>Free everything for everybody!
>No wars! No terrorists!
>End world hunger!
If it was as easy to do all this as Bernie seems to think it is, it would have been done a long time ago.
>>25132076
Kill all Liberals.
>>25144574
And yet, every major economy has them. It's almost as if they work.
>>25144778
L O W
E N E R G Y
G U Y
>>25144518
>if a progressive tax were implemented, there would be no incentive to accumulate wealth
accumulating wealth is its own reward you dickhead.
>>25144790
I don't care. I don't have to fucking help people. Get fucked commie.
>>25144826
and his supporters will say it hasn't been done because he is the first one who dared to be a radical thinker. no, people have thought this way for a long time and come through rational thinking that it just isn't possible to have and eat your cake, and his cake, and her cake, and his cake...
>>25132076
This test sucks, it's pathetic, I knew it would say I favor hilary over Bernie, I think it would be hard for this test to give Bernie a first score on it. I don't trust Hilary, she is taking too much contribution from the top 0.1% and she is very two faced, I really hope Hilary voters can realize that Hilary is just going to extend was Obama is doing for another 8 years. What this country needs is REAL change, that's why you all need to FEEL THE BERN!!!
>>25144844
why would you work hard for something that disappears proportionally to someone who doesn't work hard? why accumulate it if you can't keep it?
>mfw yeb
trump is a hard sell for me because he never actually says anything during debates. half of his responses are pretty much
>I spoke with important people about important matters about important places in an important place and let me tell you they are saying its bad but we are going to make it better!".
>>25144899
It's the journey not the destination, anon
britfag here I got marco rubio rubio is he any good? I hadn't heard of him till now
>>25144899
The person who doesn't work hard still has less. They don't confiscate all you're wealth.
>>25144799
>See when I say people like you should be moved or be erased because you're toxic to society that's fact. It's not opinion. Society is by definition the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community. Your "It's all about ME and what "I" want" mentality tries to unravel that which is exactly what that video I pasted said. There's almost not a single thing I said that wasn't based of observable fact.
I see you as toxic.
>You gotta be meme'n me, dude. Morals might be subjective but society uses ethics in political views because the morals that affect and are only believed between the 20 people around you, aren't universally believed.
What you think isn't universally believed either. Do you think that most of America agrees with you? I don't think so. This is all a matter of opinion on how we think things should be run. Should I change what I think because I'm not the fucking majority opinion?
>>25144899
You still keep plenty of it and the cost of things doesn't increase when you go to buy them based upon your income. If you have wealth you can invest it and have your money work for you to make more money. If you make barely enough to pay just for living expenses, 10% of your income hits you a lot harder than if you make enough to save 30% of your income after living expenses, and that income affords you more opportunities both to enjoy life and to make up the difference in that 10%.
>>25144831
>And yet, every major economy has them. It's almost as if they work.
That doesn't mean that we should have them. I personally don't want to be like one of those shit euro countries.
>>25144908
That's all he's about. Estimates are that his tax plan is going to add over $10 trillion to the deficit and when asked how he'd account for that, he says he'd close loopholes and deductions but never gives any actual details.
>>25144947
>I see you as toxic.
Congrats, we're not talking about me and honestly we're not talking about you either. We're talking about the election of a man/woman who will represent ALL of us and work on policies that affect ALL of us.
>This is all a matter of opinion on how we think things should be run. Should I change what I think because I'm not the fucking majority opinion?
You should realize that what you think affects people outside of you. And I dont give a shit that you don't care, it's still a fact that it affects everyone.
>>25145008
All right, whatever. I'm done arguing with super commie socialist man. It's 4am, I'm going to bed.
>>25144929
I think it will breed a race of apathetic pussies, who within a generation or two learn that they can get by without working hardly at all thanks to basic income and relying on the hard workers to pull them along. and the hard workers, the money makers, will get sick of it and leave or stop working. In the words of the great Syndrome, "When everyone's super... no one will be."
It's amazing how people here don't draw parallels to their attitudes about women looking for betabux and MGTOW. The cognitive dissonance is real.
>>25145035
Obviously I'm commie socialist man because it's the inevitable ending to the cocoon that is capitalism. "What good or service can I provide to OTHERS to merit currency used to buy my survival necessities?" is the driving force of capitalism is it not?
>>25144993
America has progressive taxation you idiot.
Trumps tax plan is making it more progressive. It's his best policy.
>>25145037
Really? Cos here I was thinking it would give lower income people more money in their pocket, allowing them to spend and be part of the economy, furthering their place in society and allowing people with higher incomes to give back more to the community and fund the essential services that make our high standard of living possible in the first place.
But if you are locking into some bizarre social model that broke 2 generations ago then you're so arsebackwards that you'll be doomed to failure in the new, high stakes modern economy.
>>25145007
he's speaking like this is an 8th grade election and I guess it's working since Americans are pretty fucking stupid and can't/ won't fact check or research anything
>Gun grabbing big government supporting authoritarian faggots ITT
>>25145444
Shit, it's almost as if the oligarchy is trying to influence the outcome.
>>25132076
Rockwell desu.
Why are Sander's supporters so delusional?
>>25132076
>being a cuck
Jesus christ how does it feel?
>>25132076
feel the bern guis
>tfw economically far left but very opposed to immigration and multicultarism
>>25145688
What if we just made everything less expensive?
>>25145945
I kinda meant this fantasy world where we pretend the diamond tennis bracelet doesn't cost as much as a car. You know, things cost what they should cost.
>>25145843
So you're a NatSoc?
>>25145843
Me too lad, makes the fact that everyone attaches social issues to economics really fucking annoying.
>>25141577
why is it wrong, especially considering most people who are wealthy were born into money to begin with? look up studies on class mobility in the US; there is none.
>>25145688
bernie is going to raise taxes on the middle class and wealthy to raise the money. single payer healthcare also pays for itself long term.
so much /pol/ degeneracy here
>remove the immigrants xD
>>25145688
i dont get how you can say bernie's proposals aren't practical when republicans are talking about slashing taxes on the wealthiest to 10-15%. that's major revenue loss, and considering most republicans want to increase our in the middle east, the only way you could avoid more debt is by cutting welfare programs drastically, which wont happen.
>>25146462
he admitted in the debate he was open to taxing the middle class, unlike hillary. they do it in scandinaviasn countries, and it works well, though. higher quality of life.
>>25146462
$250,000 is far above average.
I'd guess it's in the top 5% at least.
>>25132076
hey cups, how are you this today?
>>25132174
>Britfag
>lectures Americans on muslims and refugees
top fucking kek
>>25146499
i just fucked up my grammar
>>25146492
middle class should be taxed more if they're getting healthcare and college from the government. how it works in scandinavian countries.
>>25146505
i never fuck up my grammar
>>25146513
and i say this as someone who supports bernie, i just dont think a lot of the fervent supporters understand this.
>>25146528
Yes we do. Not everyone is a sjw hipster. You are not profound, go back to community college.
>>25146558
im not trying to be, but ive heard so many bernie supporters deny this.
>>25146564
he says that it's up to the middle eastern countries. in the debate he said saudi arabia and qatar would have to step it up. he's certainly not as hawkish as hillary or jim web.
all this valuable time wasted posting on the internet could be time spent building the great wall of trump
>>25146601
hardly. traditional socialism has nothing to do with authoritarianism, but because most countries claiming to be socialist/communist have been leninist, people mix them up. council communism and libertarian socialism are non-authoritarian alternatives.
>>25146579
Because a lot of what Bernie purposes is not realistic, especially with a house of repubs. I wish it was, and I will vote Sanders if he wins. Honestly though, I cannot see him pushing through and beating Clinton because of this. He offers solutions, the problem is it can be misconstrued in to communism to the general public. Him and the fedoras being "Socialists" does not help when the red scare is a major part of U.S. History. So the uneducated voter sees "communist trying to help ghetto black people."
>>25146601
and libertarianism wasnt traditionally anarcho-capitalism the way it is in the US currently
>>25146686
right. communism and socialism dont necessarily have any thing to do with bug government. they're about the workers owning the means of production. you could theoretically have a country governed only by local municipalities with the workers owning the means of production. that's like council communism/libertarian socialism.
>>25146687
i know. he's a social democrat, not a democratic socialist. i really dont understand why he embraces the socialist label seeing as, by definition, he isn't one.
>>25146731
Then who oversees this socially owned labor force? How does a council finance so everyone gets their piece? How are members of council initiated? Who will protect the council from hostility?
Surprising to see lots of Bernie supporters here.
>>25132076
95% Bernie Sanders.
Eurofag, so my opinions are irrelevant. Stay a third-world shithole with the worst social mobility of every developed country on earth :^)
>>25146739
yeah you're absolutely right. but people focus so much on labels that this is really unfortunate.
>>25146790
spain was libertarian socialist after the revolution in the 1930s. that's probably your best model.
>>25146854
Kinda generous comparing the value of life in 1938 Spain to 2016 in the U.S.
Not viable it would seem.
>>25146891
libertarian socialism wont happen in the us ever, i recognize this.
Not American
Not even interested in politics but here you go
>tfw I apparently agree with Hillary the most
What the fuck, I want nothing to do with this scheming whore.
