How retarded do you have to be to believe in God?
For those of you that genuinely do, or even those of you who cast doubt (radical skepticists not allowed), have you spent anytime just pondering our situation here? I remember praying to God when I was alone in my bed around when I was 6. I was crying because I realized my parents would one day die and was romanticizing about how I wanted to be buried next to them when I died and I tried speaking to God. There was no answer. I realized I was alone in my head and that that made sense. I continued to pray with my mother but it was now just a ritual, I didn't believe in God anymore, it wasn't a big deal for me as it just made sense that way. Now as a young man I can't grasp my head around the idea that anyone with any sort of education or logical foundation cannot reach this same conclusion in adolescence let alone adulthood.
1. The role and power of religion in past times is blatantly obvious and all of the thousands of myths and gods have been fabricated by man. This does not mean religion was created to control people, the creation and propagation of many religions are entirely innocent from the perspectives of their founders, leaders, and followers many of whom are merely delusional.
2. Life arose by chance.
3. However the universe began, the necessity of there being a reason for it's creation is null, it just is.
4. There is no purpose for anything.
5. We are not special in any metaphysical way.
6. The universe has an order.
7. You will cease to exist one day.
8. You will not go to a heaven.
9. You will not go to a hell.
Is it really hard to imagine non-existence?
>>25051348
It's completely logical to believe in a God, and if you don't, there's probably something seriously wrong with your brain or your upbringing.
>>25051348
People are either scared of dying or brainwashed as children. Seriously, the thought of not existing anymore or the fact your loved ones are gone forever, evil people are not going to be punished, etc etc, is why most religions exist. Most people just cant handle it.
Religion is literally MUH FEELS. We were pretty much powerless for a really long time and made up stories to help us feel better. Too bad some people just cant let go
>>25051348
Athiesm is essential chad core desuwa
>>25051348
I don't think they can help it
>>25051348
I remember praying to God when I was alone in my bed around when I was 6. I was crying because [...] and I tried speaking to God.
>There was no answer.
>God didn't personally answer my prayers in an audible voice and tell me what a special snowflake I am and that everything's gonna be ok therefore he doesn't exist
didn't even bother to read the rest of the shit you wrote after that
typical angsty fedora-tier "atheist epiphany moment" story
let me do you a favor
>>>r/atheism
you'll find others like you there
God doesn't necessarily have to be like in the holy books. There might be some sort of godlike creature, or creator if you will. To deny the existence of God just because it's not like the God described in the holy books is foolish.
I've lived in a city full of liberal atheists and now a countryside full of old Catholics and dogs. I know which one I'm daily thankful for, senpai.
Did you expect anyone to read your angst autism thread?
>>25051458
>I don't think they can help it
what do you mean?
>>25051469
nice cherrypicking, goy
>>25051481
>comes to Intellectual's chuild porn image board
>doesn't want to read
>>25051348
There was a massive debate on /pol/ about this. It got down to the quantum level. The end result being what the base component of existence was labeled as or what we called the origin.
>>25051523
Of course a street sign is fucking useless
>>25051394
This. Personally I find no issues with religious people as long as they
>don't hurt others or condone hurting others
>don't dictate public policy based on their beliefs
>refrain from resorting to appeals to their belief in scientific argument
Life is shitty and death is terrifying. If you need something to get you through it all, go for it. I can sympathize with the religious but I can't make myself believe anymore.
>>25051480
Cathies > athies
amirite
>>25051348
Wow this board shits on everything imaginable.
As long they're not forcing it down your throat or acting upon it in a negative way why does it matter what they believe in?
>huehuehue God is fake take that Christians
Does it make you feel accomplished sounding like an edgy neckbeard?
>>25051599
>As long they're not forcing it down your throat or acting upon it in a negative way why does it matter what they believe in?
because they ARE doing that you stupid fuck
>huehuehue God is fake take that Christians
>calling someone edgy or a neckbeard
>on fucking r9k
nex you gonna call us virgin?
>everything in a world has a cause and came from something
>BUT NOT UNIVERSE ITSELF IT JUST POPPED FROM NOTHING LEL XDDDDDD
This is what sciencefags actually believe in
>>25051688
But you're doing it too by making the thread? Are you a special snowflake?
>b-b-but this is r9k I'm supposed to be a neckbeard
How sad you're prideful about it.
>>25051732
>implying i'm OP
>>b-b-but this is r9k I'm supposed to be a neckbeard
>How sad you're prideful about it.
projecting
>>25051723
i think u messed thing us a little, my australian friend
>>25051599
>christianity is the only religion
Islam, Judaism, and all the other crappy ones are complete crap as well. Especially Islam.
>>25051348
>all powerfull immaginary friend
> as a young man I can't grasp my head around the idea that anyone with any sort of education or logical foundation cannot reach this same conclusion in adolescence let alone adulthood.
>People are either scared of dying or brainwashed as children. Seriously, the thought of not existing anymore or the fact your loved ones are gone forever, evil people are not going to be punished, etc etc, is why most religions exist
maybe /r9k/ is all stupid virgins after all
>>25051994
in't*
le original maymay
>>25051365
A god in the vaguest sense, yes.
Why does it have to be Yahweh specifically?
Why does God have to be a just, judging, and directly in contact with and concerned about people?
>>25051486
>what do you mean?
He means that the average person is genetically too stupid to see through religion. (inb4 euphoria/fedora/other memes)
Most religious leaders throughout history probably haven't really believed it either, it was and is just a useful way to control and enslave people.
It's pretty much useless in a democracy like the US, but we still have all the leftover idiots who cling to it voting in elections.
>>25051549
>don't dictate public policy based on their beliefs
>refrain from resorting to appeals to their belief in scientific argument
If you give them any sort of political and academic power, it's impossible for this not to happen.
>>25051348
>The role and power of religion in past times is blatantly obvious and all of the thousands of myths and gods have been fabricated by man
True
>Life arose by chance.
Ultimately true, but you can't prove that DNA, with all of its hyperadaptable characteristics, wasn't specifically engineered by something else. A lot of earth just seems to be "set up", and the fact that DNA manages to set itself up so perfectly, like that, seems suspicious. If it were truly random with no intelligent design involved, I doubt it would've survived this long. But that just leads to endless abstractions of who created the creator and who created that creator forever and ever until you arrive at randomness.
>However the universe began, the necessity of there being a reason for it's creation is null, it just is.
Again, ultimately true, but might not be true within the scope of our own existences.
>There is no purpose for anything.
Depends on how you define purpose.
>We are not special in any metaphysical way.
Not proven
>The universe has an order.
Either the universe is cyclical and its order feeds into itself in an infinite causality loop, or its origin traces back to spontaneity.
>You will cease to exist one day.
Can't argue with this one
>You will not go to a heaven
Sometimes I feel like I already am in heaven
>You will not go to a hell
Sometimes I feel like I already am in hell
>Is it really hard to imagine non-existence?
Yes. I would have to completely kill all perception in order to do that, including the perception of percieving nothing.
>>25052176
>truly random with no intelligent design involved, I doubt it would've survived this long
You know how much shit went extinct?
>>25052176
>the universe is cyclical and its order feeds into itself in an infinite causality loop
eternal recurrence ftw
>>25052202
>You know how much shit went extinct?
And yet life, as a whole, still manages to thrive
If you look at it as an entire system it's pretty amazing. Cutting off a few branches from a tree is different from uprooting that tree.
I look at the universe and see such complexity and order that it baffles me how it can be simply random.
Then I look at down syndromes and midgets and compare them to perfect uber-Chads and realise that there is no God. The discrepancy between human appearance and ability is too vast for there to be a just and perfect creator
>>25052224
But Christianity/Islam/Judaism teach that God loves us all as individuals and has plans for each us.
When you think of all the collective pain and fear that lifeforms have suffered throughout time, and even today, this starts to sound like willful bullshit.
>>25052516
The complexity and order not being random argument for God is the worst one. If the universe was not the way it is, you would not be here to assign the cause of that complexity to God. It is the way it is because that's the only way that you could observe it being the way it is.
>>25052537
>hurr this God is the only God
Kill yourself you fucking retard
>>25051348
Old boring blaberish about being dult and rational, with no proof, source or anything really to support your claims. For example:
>2. Life arose by chance.
Just fucking kek m8. It's no less matter of faith than believing in God.
Same with rest of your retarded list.
Fuck off.
>>25051365
Nice b8 m8
Kylo kills han
>>25051348
>life arose by chance
>the universe has an order
>there is no purpose for anything
how does that all work. Form and function are inherent to everything. The universe is full of purpose, it's just not some conscious purpose put in place by some giant anthropomorphic deity. But the universe itself is trying to do something, whatever the fuck it is. This is evident in what we know from observing it.
>>25051348
>male traits
>spine
Literal retard, ive written shit way better about why women are inferior to men and you saved this garbage
God is mega narcissist. Send me to hell cunt, I don't care if you created this shit, this world fucking sucks
>>25054166
but what if you are god?
ITT: People with 0 background in theology or philosophy discuss religion.
>logical positivism
>>25054195
What did you expect from this troll thread? What are your epistemological conclusions by the way? All I see is skepticism and the Munchhausen trilemma
>>25054195
>muh big words and fancy rules for how others should think
I was just blown away by your massive intelligence
I even creamed myself over how big your brain is tbqh
And now I can't stop touching myself to the thought of being tangled up in your thoughts, your every brainwave filling my orifices
Now I'm fantasizing about you at a mensa gathering
I think I'm about to cum again
You're arguing with a guy about something while you play chess
I swear once you checkmate him I'm going to blow my load
Please post more bby I've never been so aroused
>>25054189
I would lead a chilled out existence without any worry
>>25054269
Nigga you full homo
This is what I believe. That mans physical structure is divine and the brain is capable of anything, moving mountains, turning water to wine, walking on water, etc.
>>25051348
god is either powerless or evil, choose one
I can see being drastic but to believe a supreme being is actually pulling some strings right in our lives is just absurd. In addition why pray to it and worship it? If it did exist it likely wouldn't give a single fuck about the bad game of sims we are. There also seem to be some questions where a god just doesn't seem to fit in. Where is god in determining whether or not the self stays the same or is Hericlitean?
>>25054269
highly underrated post
intelligence has to be the most overrated quality a person can have, all the points over 100 prove to be only marginally useful in academia, but not really since academics is just memorizing someone else's logic, intelligence proves useful only for independent thought
you make a pretty good point/shitpost, I am amused
>>25054361
Deistic* I mean
>>25054343
The universe is fine except that hell thing, its infinite punishment for finite crime its completely illogical and nothing more than pure sadism rather than teaching someone a lesson.
The purpose of hell makes sense when you realize its meant to contain the most assinine human souls that would fuck up shit if they were stuck on earth for the lulz and would ruin heaven by being assholes of course.. The two afterlifes are just containment zones for souls that is all though hell is an enigma since its torture. It would be more logical for God to simply make us stop existing once we die instead while he and his angels reside in a higher dimensional realm running the universe and so on.
>>25054296
OH GOD YES!!! MAKE MORE ACCURATE EVALUATIONS!!!!! I LOVE IT WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT!!! WHAT KIND OF REASONING WAS THAT? WAS IT INDUCTIVE OR DEDUCTIVE?!?! OH GOD I CAN'T THINK STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE DRIVING ME WILD I'M SO CONFUSED, BUT I DON'T CARE, EITHER ONE IS JUST AS SEXY TO ME.
>>25051723
OHMYGOD
BIG BANG WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT
EDUCATE YOURSELF
READ A FUCKING BOOK ABOUT ABOUT THE SUBJECT
>>25054362
Intelligence is the only value a human truely has as humans are apes that are supposed to build and create things, a human that cannot produce anything is objectively worthless. The only valuable part of a human is our brain which is basically a biological self aware computer but that is all.
>>25054408
I cant believe there are people that think something didnt exist before the big bang, the infant universe obiviously had to float in "something" for it to even exist as the entire universe cannot be all of existence.
>>25054407
Can you show me on the doll where philosophy touched you?
>>25054408
We can't prove anything either way, I can't rule out grand design but you can't rule it in by saying "read a book" either, friend. I thoroughly enjoyed your usage of the caps lock though.
>>25054432
>worth
>objective
pick one m8
>>25054440
>i can't understand a highly supported scientific theory
>hurr durr must be bullshit ill just make up my own nonsense theory based on nothing
>>25053412
U have the positve claim fuk boi. Prove god is real and if u cant then by default i can say he doesnt exist until u prove it end of story. It doesnt matter if u say that science is wrong and therefore i believe in a god because of the lack of knowing. Thats not how anything works. Prove ur position on god and we will believe . All u do is try to disprove scientific theories which doesnt prove ur point at. We arent trying to prove religion wrong by coming up with theories and science shit. Prove it or leave
We are living in satans world.
>>25054455
What is a human without a brain? A useless sack of flesh and bone. You are nothing without your brain familiar. So humans that have best working brains are objectively valuable more than those with shittier brains. In other words retards have no value while intelligent people have value. Think about it without intelligent people we would still be spear chuckers, as every single human advancement came from faggots with IQs above 125.
Some people are born to lead, others are born to follow
Those who follow can't function without a purpose, they need a reason to carry on because if they didn't they'd be riddled with questions and confusions of life
That's why they resort to God, not because they honestly believe in an invisible man who lives in the clouds and judges us all, but because they're terrified of the idea that there isn't an answer for why we're here, and that we've all been thrown in the deep end together
>>25054471
>float in something
I never said anything about God you illiterate retard
>>25053412
You people are so fucking scientifically illiterate it's hilarious
Don't they teach you anything in your shitty americunt schools? Or is it saudia arabia? Always confuse them since they're about on equal footing in terms of reverence to science and skepticism
>>25054476
Isn't the assertion that the universe happened randomly also a positive claim?
>>25051348
religion was created to control women so that they don't destroy society
this is the real redpill
>>25054498
Nor did I you fucking mong. Read an explanation of the big bang theory before dismissing it
>>25054432
Somewhat unrelated, but...
So it seems animal intelligence doesn't seem to be too different from our own it's rather just further down the spectrum. Darwin states this in The Descent of Man somewhere. Then computer intelligence seems to be of a completely different sort. For example some animals, while inferior to human intellect, show signs of feeling and self-awareness. What exactly is it that makes the difference in intelligence? Is it because computers rely on inputs? Isn't that what sensory perception basically is though? Is sentience just some byproduct of communication? The animal feels sad only to communicate to others? I don't know anything about computers though. Anyone care to give their thoughts?
>>25054525
I never dismissed it you mongoloid, I said that the singularity infant universe had to have been floating in something for it to even exist.
>>25054483
>objectively valuable more than those with shittier brains
Objectively more valuable to who?
You're still failing to account for the fact that in order for something to have comparative value there has to be another thing evaluating it.
There are plenty of people who have stupid friends that they probably value more than you. Who are you to say that your opinion of what is valuable trumps theirs? People often establish different opinions on what a human is "for".
>>25054514
Well yeah but it but it is in no way a claim to disprove religion. We have our theories and we admit we dont really know for sure. We cant really prove it and thats y we are still working on it. Its not a theory to disprove religion nor is it something we use as our side of the debate. Look if we want to get anywhere ur going to need to prove ur claim. Im not going to try to prove the big bang because we really dont know and i dont really care. Ur position claims to know tho and i want to know so prove it
>>25054560
Oh I'm not actually that anon
I don't believe anything m8
I just like to entertain ideas and give them enough ambiguity where I don't feel attached to them but can still have fun with them
>>25054529
Feelings dont mean jackshit, its all about that rational logical processing part of your brain when it comes to intelligence. Animals barely use their intelligence because they have no forelimbs that can make tools as good as ours. A supercomputer is objectivelyt superior to a human because the material the computer is made of is more useful than human flesh and bone, and the machine is far more intelligent than the human brain meaning it can produce more ideas and create new things than a person.
Robots are objectively superior to humans, anyone that disagrees is operating on muh humans are special tribalism.
>>25054544
The only value that makes sense in reality is how useful an object or person is, intelligent people are very useful since they are the ones that advance humanity the fastest while idiots are the ones that degenerate humanity. Human flesh is not that strong, human bones are shit compared to metal therefore the only useful part of a human is their brain as the brain can be used a biological computer if you found a way to get rid of the consiousness. Btw your unconsious brain is far more intelligent than you, the unconsious part of your brain processing is evidence our brains are biological computers.
>>25054402
Hell isn't actually in the Christian scriptures, it's something men came up with later on and imposed a doctrine on the text, creating the word "hell" in the process.
>>25054601
>The only value that makes sense in reality is how useful an object or person is
Useful to who?
I'm not saying that usefulness can't be objective (a screwdriver is objectively more useful for unscrewing a screw than your fingers, for instance), but you're implying that humans have an overall objective purpose themselves, which is something I'm not sure you can substantiate.
Now if you said that smart people were objectively better at something specific, then I would agree. But to say that they're better at being people, when what it means to be a "good person" isn't even objectively defined, I'm not getting it. Seems like you're just following an ideology and touting it as truth.
>>25054580
Can a robot imagine?
Why do you act as if there is some sort of objective end goal?
Have you fucked a robot? Serious question
>>25054642
We already have robots that can make art so yes they can imagine.
>>25054640
Im not saying smart people are better people, im saying they are more useful and thus objectively more valuable. Anything other than usefulness is emotional nonsense. We value freaking paper because of its use in simplifying human trade. We also value various rocks because it appeals to oooh shiny part of our primate psyche. Those are emotional values not logical values.
To say that Chad is objectively superior is not right as Chad is only superior in sexual attraction which only benefits reproduction but not human advancement so Chad is not really that valuable other than being a woman's fucktoy. In the same way the only value women have is how attractive they are, if they cant secure a male they should honeslty kill themselves. Men however their value is based on how useful they are to others or society, women tend to twist the value of a man based on how well he makes them feel but these are women they dont abide by logic so ignore anything they say.
Religions arose for a good reason.
Humans are a spiritual animal. It's foolish to try and deny that part of your nature.
People need religion to feel a sense of identity, to bring the community together, to help find their place in the universe, to console us...
Now here is the interesting thing about atheists. Atheism should simply mean "non-god". Godless. But the atheist is more complex than that.
Atheism, for many people, is like an identity. "How retarded do you have to be to believe in God?". By creating this "us-them" sort of thinking, you feel connected to the atheist community. You feel part of a group and that is important to you. Traditional religions provided this as well.
The atheist is rarely amoral. They use concepts like secular humanism to reconcile their materialist worldview with a moral framework. Much like how religions would reconcile their particular theories on the world with a moral framework.
Atheists aren't content with just believing in their worldview and morality. They want other people to believe it. They want everyone to share their beliefs. So spreading what they consider to be the "ultimate truth" i.e. materialism, humanism; is important to them.
Considering all this, the "atheist community" function almost exactly like a religion. Despite their protests claiming they reject religion.
So is atheism freedom from religion? Or is just yet another belief system to add to the thousands already? Is materialism the final, ultimate truth, or yet another philosophical concept?
Though there have been an uncountable number of belief systems cropping up over history, they all share one commonality: their proponents were absolutely, unshakably convinced that their worldview was right, and all others, wrong.
>>25054706
The revelation that sexual selection seems almost counterproductive to societal living baffled me. If girls usually go after the more brutish types, how did we end up here? Not to sound like a turboautist but would it not make sense for intelligence to be the sexiest aspect of an individual from an evolutionary standpoint?
>>25054706
>thus objectively more valuable
But you're implying that humans have objective value in the first place
Usefulness as an objective concept doesn't make sense outside of context, because when you apply universality to it you can't prove that usefulness really even exists to begin with.
The idea that "advancing the human race" is more important than not advancing it, or what you even mean by advancing it is, in a universal context, as far as I can tell, incredibly arbitrary.
If you want to actually make a compelling argument you have to narrow your scope. Or at least admit that when you say you're being "objective" you're actually being entirely subjective, because your entire belief system is based on your opinion on what constitutes an end worthy of being useful for, an opinion that is not inherently objective as far as I can tell.
>>25054814
agnostic master race reporting in
>tfw playing pseudo devil's advocate for different viewpoints on 4chan in order to better understand them
>>25054824
Intelligence would most likely have been selected if women's brains were actually not 25,000 years behind men. Women still think they are living in the wild where fucking a thuggish male will secure them strong genes for their spawn. Women like bad boys because they have traits that indicate the offspring will fare well in the jungle, but in society these bad boys usually end up as criminals but women dont care, they would rather fuck criminals than most men and get turned on by serial killers big time. Its strange really but being a civilized human is the inverse of what human women really want, they just want bad aggressive men that treat them like shit and rape the crap out of them daily.
It would take something serious to make intelligent attractive to women like the environment the women evolved in being too tough for even brutish males meaning only intelligent males can survive in this environment meaning slowly the brutes would be culled from the genepool causing women to develop an instinctive attraction to intelligence in men. Though the possibility of this is very rare since women still are backwards.
>>25054706
Robots don't make art. They run algorithms and then stop. To have an imagination, a programmer would have to program an imagination. Robots don't daydream about picking wildflowers while they're stuck on the assembly line.
>>25054824
Listen to this cool guy with his dranks and his cigarettes, though
>>25054580
A computer isn't sentient, it isn't making up anything. It operates on human input in the language of code. It only does what a human programs it to do, nothing more. I don't know how the fuck you came up with the assertion that silicon is superior to flesh and bone, it doesn't fade nearly as quickly I guess.
I'm with the anon who said religion was created to keep women's actual nature under control. The 80/20 "meme" is becoming more and more apparent as women are becoming more sexually liberated.
OP and this whole thread
>>25051365
I agree with this to an extent, it's probably a 50/50 that there is no god or god is either a deistic being or more of a supernatural entity.
What most atheists agree is that religion makes no sense, not just a belief in god
>>25055550
Why even call it god then though? Why does it have to be sentient? The first cause could just be a law of nature. Who would worship gravity or the laws of thermodynamics? Well I guess there was Pythagoras...
>>25055921
Fair point, I normally just use the word god because its simpler to explain that way to most people. If it were the case there would be no need to call it god without redefining god.
>tfw cannot prove or disprove the existence of a deity but disagree with the ideals of all religion
>tfw stuck in the limbo of getting mocked by atheists for giving religion the time of study and those who are religious because they say I'll go to [respective hell]
Sucks.
>>25056053
Stop giving a fuck what they think brah. The atheists who mock giving it the time of day are the unironic irl fedora tippers. Arguments deal with both sides, otherwise there is no point to the argument. Now to tip my own fedora, the people telling you that you'll go to he'll are literally fucking retarded. That shits just stupid. Arguing about religion will just waste your time or become an easy masturbatory practice where you circlejerk about how "right" you are. Move on to bigger and better things. There are more interesting problems as well
>>25052176
>intelligent design
You for real familia?
>>25056053
Thanks friend. Just remarking on how (most) agnostic people are treated these days.
>>25054343
Exactly.
But well if he is powerless, why call him a god.
>>25051365
>logical to believe something exists with no evidence
Keep telling yourself that goy
>>25051348
Not retarded, just mildly schizophrenic
>>25056289
Descartes says hello
>>25052176
>cannot survive long if truly random
Confirmed for not understanding the absolute basics of natural selection
>>25051348
Im not going to defend religion here but you can't know if some "god" is somewhere out there, i like to take everything at face value and i don't think even for a second there is a god, but people who like to hang onto that idea i don't care, as i could one day be proven wrong.
Still though i really, really doubt it
>>25056326
Descartes is a piece of shit though.
>>25056389
>give her the dick
Only thing Descartes has said I agree with
>>25054343
If he says anything he does is good it is good. He can't be evil. Do you think yourself to be a God? How can you make moral judgements of an omnipotent being? I know, you're proud of babbies first philosophy thoughts, but God is a little more complicated than you think.
>>25054402
Hell isn't meant for humans. It's just God has nowhere else to send the unholy since they can't be with him. Your post reads like a whiny 8 year olds temper tantrum.
>>25051348
Many of the most brilliant minds in human history were theists. I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm inherently "smarter" than them simply because of this.
>>25056690
Most minds in human history have lived in a heavily religious age.
>>25056690
Einstein was a theist. He said rejected quantum mechanics on the premise that no god would allow the universe to behave randomly. If the premise is wrong, and we know it is, why should anyone buy into the conclusion?
>>25056857
I guess. The point is that too many atheists believe that theists are "retarded", which is rather arrogant.
Einstein's offhand comment aside, if he were given a chance to explain himself more fully, I'm sure he'd say that faith is irrelevant to scientific concepts like premises and conclusions.
>>25056690
That's probably always interpreted wrong, they probably don't negate the possibility of existence of a god or gods but
>>25056857
>>25056857
>He said rejected quantum mechanics on the premise that no god would allow the universe to behave randomly
that's fucking retarded, it's like saying humans would never allow the weather to behave randomly a god might be immortal may be able to control time or whatever you want to believe in (as far as I know the gods of the monotheistic never seen their powers described beside the occasional earth-wipe, resurrections and "minor" shit like that) but back to the point, we know how weather works, we know why it happens, it doesn't mean we can control it, there's always a stronger force and it's usually natural.
The pagan gods make much more sense than the jewish/islamic/christian god.
>>25056289
Prove the existence of people who are not you, please.
>tfw promised yourself you would never debate religion on 4chan ever again
>tfw see this thread
The belief is God is as rational and reasonable as the belief in the existence of the world itself, it is as rational and reasonable as the belief that you are capable of willingly believing anything at all.
>>25057285
>I see them with my eyes
>I feel them with my touch
>I hear them speak
I'll agree that one of that is CONCLUSIVE evidence another person exists but it's not like we have any sort of evidence at all that God exists. All supposed evidence is indirect (hurr durr god is the only explanation for phenomenon xyz that actually does have a real scientific explanation).
>>25057398
Is seeing something evidence of its existence? Are your eyes infallible?
Is feeling something evidence of its existence? Is your sense of touch infallible?
Is hearing something evidence of its existence? Is your sense of hearing infallible?
The point is that denying that you are nothing more than a brain in a vat experiencing a simulated reality is impossible, however you still assume that you are a real person, right?
So why is it unreasonable to believe in God?
I dont think most religious people are stupid. At least not in the classic, unaware, innocent way. They know the institution exists as a convenient power structure where they can fit in and be normal, and single out anyone else who wasn't interested in the fun club. They know morality is ultimately a concept that has roots in subjectivity and that they can twist their guise of faith in a way so that their actions are consistent with morality. They know they are cowards, and cant figure out how to form their own sense of right and wrong, but the institution, not God, will do all that it can to protect them from being exposed with its kangaroo court bullshit.
>The Universe exploded and came from nothing
>Pic related happened randomly
>We used to be fish
>The Universe if altered a tiny fraction would have not supported life
Atheist will defend this
>>25057327
Need a road map for that one.
>>25057620
>when u know that shit was aliens.jpg
>>25057620
U r dum ....,,..
Asdryyjnff
>>25057620
>God created everything included itself
>Somehow he always had knowledge and power
>Somehow it survives without having need to feed on any kind of energy
Theists will defend this.
>>25057714
Before you can start denying God, you need to prove that you exist, buddy.
>>25057620
>The Universe exploded and came from nothing
I love when this is brought up. Atheist evacuate threads when they see this.
>>25057738
Did I miss the memo where Christians are all also astrophysicists?
>>25057620
Prove there was nothing before the Universe existed. Prove that the Universe didn't come into existence five minutes ago. Prove that you exist. Prove that fish exist.
>>25056326
> Circular Arguments based on a concept that applies to Objects and not ideas counts as logical
>>25051348
It's the prisoners dilemma. People used to be executed for heresy. Now, people are raised in Christian families, where they have to conform or risk being kicked out.
Religious people form communities, and people don't want to turn their back on religion if it means losing that community. If saying you don't believe in god means that most of your friends will stop talking to you, then you keep your mouth shut.
If you're young, and it seems like everyone else believes, then you believe. It's the same as Santa. When you're older, you're not going to tell children Santa doesn't exist, right? Even if you think he's not real, you still enjoy all the traditions of winter holidays. You don't believe in Santa as an entity, but everyone else around you seems to, so you parrot back the knowledge 'about' Santa, because everyone knows the basic details of Santa, even as a fiction.
Santa isn't real, but you recognize him in movies right? At the mall? He's the present giver guy. He's a symbol. He's not 'real', but he exists. He's everywhere.
Imagine growing up never having believed in Santa. You'd never have learned about him. Never participated in the wider cultural narrative.
>>25057620
Provide an example of nothing.
>>25057475
>Why is it unreasonable to believe in god
Its one thing to say that evidence can lead you to a false conclusion. Reasonable people do that; no one is perfect. But it's quite another to jump to a conclusion with no evidence. Reasonable people do not do that.
Believing in God is so fucking low IQ.
You fucking deist and theist piece of shits are embarrassing.
David Icke is more legit than God ROFL.
I'd like to see theists just die desu.
>>25057655
Can you show me evidence that the universe exists?
I don't think you can.
The existence of the world is a dogma.
Belief in God is much the same, there is no way to prove that God exists and no way that God does not exist.
Why do you choose to believe that the world exists, but that God doesn't exist when both are equally provable (i.e. not at all)?
>>25057819
This is a really good point.
In all honesty theists can't prove god exists and that it created the Universe. On the other hand
Atheists cannot prove how the Universe was created.
The Universe is a mystery and it makes sense to me that something might of created it seeing as how everything we need to exists as humans is perfect and that everything about the Universe is so intricate in design. This stuff just doesn't happen because of a 'big bang'.
>>25051348
But who the fuck created us? The universe didn't come out of thin air. Everything has a creter of sorts. If you're atheist you basically believe nothing came out of nothing. It's just another belief form like the thousand of other belief forms. I'm not calling it a religion but more a way of life. Everything starts with something.
>Satanist reporting in
>Imb4 roleplayer kek
>Imb4 neckbeardd faggit
>Imb4 so edgy fag
>Imb4 fuck off retard
>>25057998
The creation of life and the creation of the universe are completely separate things m8. Whether or not theists think God made both is irrelevant to people who don't intend on going down the path of inventing answers to what will probably always be unanswerable questions.
>>25057938
Because I fucking see the universe around me while I see no fucking god or evidence of it in the thousands of scientific discoveries. I seriously hope this post was a troll because no one should be this stupid.
>>25056289
>It's logical to believe these don't exist cause I said so
>>25058068
That wasn't my point.
I am saying that its strange that the Universe randomly exploded and evolved into the perfect conditions to harbor life. Seems like something that was designed on purpose so that life can exist.
>>25057919
>But it's quite another to jump to a conclusion with no evidence
Aren't you jumping to a conclusion with no evidence when you claim that other people exist?
Therefore according to you it is unreasonable to deny the belief that you are the only one there is, right?
Solipsism is impossible to prove. You might be able to prove your own existence (good luck doing that without parroting Descartes), but you cannot prove or deny the existence of anyone else.
So why would you consider it unreasonable to believe in God when you already are accepting the dogma that other people exist? What sets the existence of God apart from the existence of other people?
>>25057998
Before you go look for the how, show me that the universe exists at all.
>>25058069
>Because I fucking see the universe around me
Are your senses infallible?
>in the thousands of scientific discoveries
Is the scientific method infallible?Sorry STEMkids, it's not.
>I seriously hope this post was a troll because no one should be this stupid.
How am I being stupid?
To parrot Descartes:
I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am.
>>25058053
You Low IQ fuck.
If the universe needs a creator, so does a god.
Why don't you low IQ fucks get this?
>>25058053
It has been hypothesized that viruses, which are closer to nanomachines than living things, were the first form of "life", that their parasitic nature stems from their capacity to reproduce independently having been rendered vestigial. We set our own definitions of what is alive and what is not. We create this dichtonomy where things that eat food and reproduce are "alive" and everything else is just dead, irrelevant matter.
>>25058147
>[...] it is unreasonable to deny the belief that [...]
This should be "[...] it is reasonable to deny the belief that [...]", obviously.
>>25058147
>Is the scientific method infallible?
But it works, you dumb cunt.
>>25058154
You are low IQ as fuck.
All you understand is what is going on around you right now.
>I see no god, so there is no god!
This requires deep logical thinking which obviously you don't have .
>>25058197
Show me a generalized proof, then.
>>25058169
First form of life was a microbe called LUCA. Living thing are any biological animated matter so viruses are to be included as well.
>>25051348
Maybe you just need to get New Gods OP.
>>25057998
This whole idea of theists deciding that they need to have an explanation of why the universe exists is a false dichotomy. If science has no answer to the existence of the universe I need not make an alternative theory why it exists. Rather, I look to the breadth of all our other scientific knowledge which is completely devoid of any sort of deity. Of the things we actually understand, and by now we understand a great deal of things, god has not been the solution to any of them. This whole idea that if science has no explanation then God is a viable counter theory is a meme. Because every fucking time we ended up discovering why something is the way it is it wasn't god. You theists have been wrong every single time you claimed god was behind a phenomenon in the universe.
>>25058205
Yes, blind faith in the unproven is highly intelligent
>>25058212
All scientific advancements ever
>>25058266
If belief in the unproven is so foolish, why believe that the world exists then?
>>25058205
You low IQ fuck.
That's not fucking argument.
You don't have one.
You're just obsessed with some sky wizard existing, fucking douche faggot nerd ROFL.
>>25058283
That's a a couple exemplary proofs.
It is not a generalized proof.
>>25058286
If youre trying to make a contradiction here you failed.
>>25058265
You are acting like we are a bunch of Christians here.
I think everything in creation is by science but was crafted by intelligent beings "god". It really is hard to explain my thoughts.
>>25051348
>being this autistic
Not even religious, but I still carry a bible in my pocket every day. It's a really good read and it's also a testament for my belief that you don't have to be religious to accept God in your life.
>>25058312
>Couple
Lol
It is general proof that it works
>>25058292
Christians are so dumb they dont realize that their deity thinks of them like toys it can fuck with to its heart's content.
Hell is where all the humans who dont obey it like a mindless robot go, and heaven is where the christian faggots go to worship it forever and theres no escape you better be ready to accept your enslavement.
>>25058315
If it's not a contradiction, prove that the world exists.
>>25058053
Satanism is just atheism for edgelords. And it's pretty self defeating for religion when it glorifies doing whatever you want when all religions are to hold morals
Ho: The Universe was created by the big bang
Ha: The Universe was created by God
Is this a good hypothesis for my project?
>>25058341
Direct observation
>>25058335
Well, alright.
It's lots of exemplary proofs.
It is not a generalized proof, not by any stretch.
>>25058355
Matter cannot be created or destroyed, which disproves both of those assertions.
>>25058347
Atheism is no belief, satanism is worshipping the devil, how fucking stupid are you christians?
>>25058357
I'm not asking you to refute both, you can pick whichever you like better:
>A:
Are you capable of observing anything directly at all?
>B:
Can you be certain that your observations reflect reality?
>>25058375
So is the Universe not real then?
Did the Universe have different laws before the Creation of the Universe? IT MAKES NO SENSE
>>25058365
What is your definition of general proof?
The scientific method works in general
No one can disprove the existence of a deity or rule out grand design, I find grand design somewhat plausible but then again what do I know.
I just can't understand how Christians can claim their god is so just and graceful. He offers infinite punishment for finite sin, he sends you himself to save you from himself? If he is omniscient, omnipotent and all powerful why does he allow all the atrocities that are committed on a daily basis here on earth? Why are churches so conveniently constructed to allow a disproportionate amount of power to a few individuals? Why is this god so fucking vain?
I'm beginning to believe that most people feign believing in god for social acceptance or to try to sidestep the prospect of hell, or of ceasing to exist one day. Perhaps the thought of eternal life is comforting to some, for me the prospect of eternal nonexistence is more comforting.
I don't have all the answers and if god is up there I surely hope he forgives me for doubting so hard. I just find it incredibly hard to wholeheartedly believe in.. I want to, I just can't. Christians tell me to pray and ask for help and I have to no avail.
>>25058147
>what sets god apart from the existence of other people?
Seriously how are you this dumb? I can give you a thousand pieces of direct evidence on why you are made of matter but you're going to ignore them because my own perception is infallible. On the other hand, you can't provide a shred of evidence at all that God exists. Typical theist.
>>25058355
big bang is not a theory that explains the origin of the universe, it only explains the expansion
>>25058392
Read up on the big bang. Matter was compacted into a singular point. It never was created by the big bang, it expanded because of it
>>25058425
I get that but where did the matter come from in the first place? It had to come from somewhere.
>>25058458
Matter came from whatever the fuck quarks are made of in the singularity universe.
>>25058317
>"like to believe"
>can't explain my thoughts
You are basically admitting you believe something because you want it to be true rather thsn because of any evidence. At least you're more honest than the Christfags on here.
>>25058383
You are a fucking retard aren't you? I'm talking about Laveyan satanism. They worship themselves as gods and don't have a lot of rules that's why I think people just join it because it sounds edgy. Worshipping the devil is stupid because the devil hates humans
>>25058391
A yes
If we assume A then B is by proxy correct
Either you have the philosophy that direct human observation proves the existance of x, or you dont which means you go against every aspect of advancement in technology.
>>25058421
Your perception is just as fallible as anyone else's, I'm not sure if you said infallible on purpose or if you really are that deluded. Do not pretend to hold the answers, you don't have them and neither do I. The only thing you can assert is that there is no direct evidence of god.
>>25058485
Satanist are better people thatn christians because they honestly like their deity for who he is while christians are a bunch of nigger tier gibs muh dat fuckers wanting reserve seats in heaven. The Satanist dont care if their lord burn them up for eternity they still love the devil.
>>25058400
>Why is this god so fucking vain?
We created him in our image. If the universe is centered around our creator, its centered around us. As if life exists for us.
>>25058400
God is not omnipotent nor omniscient. He more like an extradimensional being with reality warping powers.
>>25058394
>What is your definition of general proof?
A general proof is a proof that can be applied a priori (important) that you be certain to always be true.
Deductive reasoning 101:
>Premise 1: All red things are apples.
>Premise 2: Entity A exists.
>Premise 3: Entity A is red.
>Conclusion 1: A is an apple.
>Conclusion 2: apples exist.
Premises are things that are considered unshakable truths for purpose of the argument.
Conclusions are drawn using only the premises given.
>>25058494
>The only thing you can assert is that there is no direct evidence of god.
This is objectively wrong.
The only thing he can assert is that he is incapable of observing any direct evidence of the existence of God.
>>25058491
>A yes
Deny A, then.
>If we assume A then B is by proxy correct
Show me.
>>25058458
there is no definite answer to this question, yet. there are hypotheses like the infinite cycle of universes that collapse and expand or maybe there is a creator but that would give rise to a lot of other questions and there really is no basis for that assumption
>>25058474
I am using evidence.
Looking at the design of the Universe it doesn't make a lot of sense that something came from nothing. What would of caused a singularity to spark if nothing was there in the first place? I think something or "someone" sparked it. Scientifically speaking it would be impossible for this to happen unless outside forces were acting upon it.
>>25058494
>do not pretend to hold the answers
If science was so fickle as you claim, then technology would nor exist. Yet here I am typing on my phone posting a reply through technology developed from our understanding of the properties of the universe. I don't have the answer to every question but that doesn't mean I don't know a great deal of objective facts.
>>25058543
>incapable of observing any direct evidence
this literally means that there is no direct evidence
>>25057475
If everything you mentioned is fallible then you could justify anything. Oh wait, you already do.
>god dun did it
>>25058576
>something must have come from something
>calls that evidence
That's not evidence desu. If I find a strange rock in the middle of the desert it must have come from somewhere, yes? But is that evidence it fell from the sky? Hardly.
>>25058543
Direct observation is the best method that works and has been proven time after time. Read up on journal articles.
>>25058533
Then he is not a god, and surely its not christian or any other religion s God
>>25058569
>there are hypotheses
This is another thing that confuses me with all of this. I see so many hypotheses that can be somewhat proven yet contradict a whole other theory that can also be somewhat proven. I really don't think we can come to a conclusion about how the Universe was created or what created it. There are so many variables and so many different things that are possible that fuck every single theory up.
>>25058576
God of the gaps, you low IQ fuck.
A super-intelligent creator is a billion times more complex than a big bang.
Occam's razor extreme violation.
>>25058576
Okay, that's not using evidence. The "first cause" argument always leads to something dogmatic and unreasonable. What caused god?
>>25058576
Peasant tier logic.
http://www.youtube.com/Gf7YSlJReVM
>>25058595
You seriously believe your perception is infallible, that you know the true origin of the universe?
We don't even understand physics completely, there's no unifying theory, our "understanding" is incomplete. We do know a lot of shit but I think we're a lot farther from the real truth then you're leading on.
>>25058705
Niggers tounge my anus
https://youtu.be/Gf7YSlJReVM
>Blidnly beliving in logic
>Intentionally falling into the traps of language
>>25058347
For a start m8 there are commandments in satanism just like every other religion. Look up the facts before completely ruining your argument before its begun.
>>25058668
There's no comprehensive theory of everything, but that doesn't invalidate the existing hypotheses. We still know a lot about the universe and the models that have presented do have value, even if they aren't exactly accurate. It's a process of refinement. Whatever comes along in the future isn't going to totally invalidate the knowledge that we have in the present.
>>25058656
>>25058670
>>25058696
>>25058705
Some samefags in here
Instead of arguing with me about what evidence is and calling me a low IQ peasant, can you provide me with some evidence of how the Universe came into being from your perspectives? I am interested on what you guys think sparked the big bang.
>>25058670
>Occam's razor extreme violation.
Occam's Razor is an extreme fallacy.
>>25058657
Well, then you should have no problem proving it to me.
Can you prove that it wasn't a coincidence that it worked every time you tried it?
>>25058638
No, there is only one thing outside the given premises that I can be certain of, if "everything" is fallible:
Nothing can be known with absolute certainty.
>>25058612
No, that's not what it means.
>>25058705
>>25058726
Oh dear, the parrots are here.
>>25058722
No I do not claim to know the origin of the universe. But by claiming god did it, that's actually what you're doing.
>>25058494
>Do not pretend to hold the answers
>God is real for sure xDDDDDDD
>not asserting an answer
Your own logic destroys the argument you are poorly trying to make. The only reasonable conclusion is to admit the universe exists because it is impossible for it to not exist, it's the only conclusion anyone can make without creating an imaginary friend.
What I mean is, if God always existed, why can't the same thing apply to the universe?
>tfw religion is the only thing keeping me from am heroing
>>25058766
>>25058767
>DAMAGE CONTROL DAMAGE CONTROL
>SAMEFAG JIDF GB2>>>/R/ATHEISM
>MY SKY DADDY THEORIES ARE JUST AS VALID AS MOLECULAR BIOLOGY/ASTROPHYSICS
>>25058766
>I am interested on what you guys think sparked the big bang.
We don't currently know and we don't have to know. The problem with your argument is that assuming a divine creator is both unnecessarily contrived and leads to more arbitrary assertions. It's a cop out rather than an explanation.
>>25058814
>believes in religion
>pray to jeebus before an hero
>an hero
>in heaven
Bye, retard.
>>25058767
Its statiscally highly unlikely that its coincidence if it always works
>>25058814
Religions does not exists.
You are now dead
>>25058827
So what makes my theory so much worse than what someone else comes up with? I stated that for something to happen it must be acted upon. What was that something? I think it was a "god". You cannot deny the laws of nature.
>>25058885
That may be, but how likely is it that you exist in the first place?
Bringing up statistics only hurts your argument more.
>>25058668
>I see so many hypotheses that can be somewhat proven yet contradict a whole other theory that can also be somewhat proven.
Any examples of this? I don't really understand what you mean
> There are so many variables and so many different things that are possible that fuck every single theory up.
Not really. You make a hypothesis, then some observations and if the data fits and any attempt at disproving your hypothesis fails then you can consider it a theory
>>25058890
>So what makes my theory so much worse than what someone else comes up with?
The problem is that yours isn't based on any evidence, isn't falsifiable, and doesn't have any real explanatory power. It's pretty much just an assertion based on nothing in particular.
>>25058890
>So what makes my theory so much worse than what someone else comes up with?
Your theory happens to be the same one that has been fucking society up for the majority of human existence by providing unreasonable answers to things that are unknowable and thus giving every single retard in the world the idea that their self-affirming nonsensical opinion on the creation of life is a valid one.
>>25058894
My existence is absolutely likely.
Universe is infinite.
Time is infinite.
Therefore the chances of me existing are fuckhigh.
>>25058959
If both are infinite, the probability of everything being the product of coincidences is 100%.
>>25051348
>I remember praying to God when I was alone in my bed around when I was 6
>There was no answer. I realized I was alone in my head and that that made sense.
top jej if this isn't bait 9/10 OP I actually am inclined to believe you're genuine
>>25058894
>Bringing up statistics only hurts your argument more.
Not true at all. You can never make any claim about the universe with absolute certainty. All knowledge (outside of pure logic and math) is based on what's likely to be true rather than what's absolutely true.
>>25058894
No it doesnt
Statistics is based on direct observation
I directly observe my existence, therefore I am
>>25051348
>is it really hard to imagine non-existence?
People dont seem to get that they didn't exist until they were born, and that's how it'll be after they die too. You didn't care that Hitler was killing people, you didn't even know, you simply didn't exist. That's how it will be when we die.
>>25058766
Most certainly not samefaggery. The whole point of science is only making theories with things that have evidence. If it has no evidence there is no basis of believing it as a fact. I know not how or why the universe came into existence. But I do know a lot of what happened after. I know why stars exists. I know how evolution works. I know how many protons and electrons are in a gold atom. Why should we attempt to explain things that we really cannot support one way or the other with real evidence? Yet that's exactly what all you theists say: we don't really know for sure so therefore god exists. God might exist, I'll grant you that. I might walk out my door in run into Will Ferrell but I'd be silly to believe that's going to happen. Until we have evidence something exists we shouldn't believe it.
>>25059023
No, you don't know that. Before you were born you could have lived an infinite number of lives, just because the memories are not here doesn't mean they didn't happen.
>>25058812
I never said anything about god being real or not. All I said was that our understanding of the universe is incomplete and any assertions you make are only accurate with our current model of understanding that is again, incomplete
>>25059038
Highly unlikely seeing that we cant observe said memories
Also youre claiming souls exist which is unproven
>>25059051
>never said anything about God being real or not
Typical theist backpedaling. You realize this whole thread is about people who believe God is real, right?
>>25059038
This is meaningless. What does "you" mean in this context? How does "you" continue from one life to the next without retaining any memories? It's not worth considering this at all.
>>25058732
Nietzsche was a short incel piece of loser shit, lol.
>>25059005
>I directly observe my existence
Really?
Show me.
Try not to parrot Descartes when you are proving your existence.
Also once you did that prove that other people exist.
>>25059003
Fair.
About damn time someone brought this up.
>>25059033
>Yet that's exactly what all you theists say: we don't really know for sure so therefore god exists
First, it doesn't matter whether I am a theist or not.
Second, my argument is based on the idea that if you accept one thing that is improvable (the existence of the universe, the denial of solipsism) you cannot write off another thing that is equally improvable as objectively wrong, do you understand?
>>25059051
All knowledge is necessarily incomplete. That doesn't make it ever appropriate to invoke the supernatural, with no evidence, as a way to explain something.
>>25059106
ebin :DDDD
simbli ebin
>>25051348
>Is it really hard to imagine non-existence?
yeah it is because something doesn't just turn into nothing.
God is such an abstract concept that no matter what we discover, no matter what people can prove, you can NEVER disprove that he might exist. We could somehow find proof that the big bang actually took place, but even that would not disprove the existence of a higher entity.
>>25059090
Thank you based anon tbqh familia.
>>25059121
Direct observation verifiable by others
>>25059093
My man thinks his sense of self isn't just a small spot on his brain in between his eyes, it's not electricity powering it, it's a soul. He's also one thing, not a collective of multifunctional cells. If you say otherwise you have to prove it's true.
>>25059156
Still there is no evidence of a god.
Blind faith is not logical
>>25059173
Do others exist?
Prove that others exist, but remember that one of the premises for that proof is "I don't know whether I exist".
>>25059181
>>25059093
>>25059070
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger
This guy explains it better than I ever could
Belief in a God is not a choice, it is not rational. It is a product of your childhood and the chemical balances in your brain, not a rational choice. Unlike Bentham, most people don't spit out their tobacco and shout "By God, it works" (referring to the ontological argument for a belief in God, which basically says that if God is perfect, and existing is a positive trait then God exists. Stupid, I know.) Anyway, you could point out any number of flaws in religion to someone who believes in their God, but in the end it will, usually at least, not shake their belief. Of course, there are people who do change their mind but usually this isn't the product of clever rationale, but a traumatic event or something similar. The same applies to atheists, of course. Do not think for a second you are somehow more enlightened or intelligent, your belief, or lack thereof I suppose, in a God is not you in some sense being clever, but being raised to be like that.
>>25059192
Still there is no evidence of a universe.
Blind faith is not logical.
>>25059208
Abandon thread, the determinists are here.
>>25059140
Oh my god. We're all just fucking monkeys who think the banana was made just for us. Kys.
>>25059156
Okay, no one's interested in "disproving" something. That's not the point and it's impossible anyway. You can propose any number of things that can't be disproven. But without any supporting evidence, there's no reason to believe them, or even seriously consider them.
>>25052176
>If it were truly random with no intelligent design involved, I doubt it would've survived this long.
Seeing as there are AT LEAST 10^22 stars in the universe about half of which have planets, and those have existed for billions of years, it was bound to happen at some point.
If you hand in 100 million lottery tickets, of course you're going to win at least once.
In this view, all the other planets with nothing but rocks on them are testament to how much of a coincidence all of this was. If there was any kind of intelligent driving force behind life, it would've put it on other planets as well. But there's nothing, just us and perhaps some other life on a few planets that we will most likely never get to see.
>>25059208
It is not on the premise that I am more intelligent, that I shit on Christfags. There are so many other justifiable reasons.
>>25059220
>implying you aren't just a complex series of inputs/outputs
>having that much of an ego
get out of my board, ree etc
>>25059156
There is evidence for the big bang, retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
So as of this moment, we know that the big bang happened, we know how the planet was likely formed, we know that the start of life can occur during certain conditions (as rare as it may be), and lastly, evolution is undeniably true (as true as the theory of gravity).
As a species we literally have no reason to believe in a fake celestial sky daddy that is apparently omniscient and all knowing but can't prevent the downfall of his creation.
>>25059181
Nop, you are saying that soul exist, you have the positive claim, and therefore the responsability to prove it.
>>25059256
Like?
fuck you robot
>>25058767
>No, that's not what it means.
Yes. Design any experiment. If you are incapable of observing evidence to prove your hypothesis then there is no basis for it
>>25059156
>what is the burden of proof
>>25059307
Or your experiment is wrong.
Experments are not magical infallible things that always do what you want them to do.
>>25059208
atheist have higher IQs
>>25059313
Elegantly avoided by turning "truth" into a matter of belief and making belief in God equally believable as something commonly considered true.
>>25059291
Wasn't me saying souls exist.
>>25059293
Arrogance, for one. Being shitty, hypocrite memesters as well. Existing, so Muslims and Jews can exist too. Pretending not to be fucking subhuman.
>>25059208
>It is a product of your childhood and the chemical balances in your brain, not a rational choice.
So is every other thought process. Find a better argument.
>>25059140
your consciousness ends when your brain dies.
grow up, christ-kiddy
>>25059337
>implying
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