Who used to be a liberal and has watched themselves move steadily to the right on certain issues as they got older?
i grew up right wing and moved to liberal and then moved to just hating everybody
>>25013141
Reporting in. What's up bruh?
>>25013175
>tfw moved from left to right
>tfw moved from right to hating everybody
We are more alike than you know, you and I...
>>25013175
>>25013208
>mfw 21st century political ideologies are making everyone nihilists
I pick and mix different ideas rather than favouring a particular ideology.
For example I think that socialized medicine and welfare is generally a good idea and don't mind paying taxes... on the other hand I think the that the family unit is important to society and women shouldn't raise raise kids as single parents. Also the holocaust was probably vastly exaggerated.
I'm more of a right-leaning moderate honestly.
Fuck everything!
Nihilism has crippled us all. We will never be happy knowing how life is fucked up and how its never going to get any better since society keeps spiralling further and further down the sinkhole.
>>25013141
grew up not caring and thought everyone deserved everything equally
Now after the desecration of my native land Lord Farage is my saviour. Along with mighty Hitchens.
majority of people i know bleeding heart lefties and think im some sort of racist
Help me lad
I used to be a total /pol/-hating Young Turks watching progressive faggot. Over the past few years I've turned pretty hard to the right and even browse /pol/ sometimes.
Basically I realized that /pol/ is right.
I'm neither left nor right. I just want the world to focus on the real issues, becoming a type 1 civilization.
i get that a lot of the left is stupid, and i'm not even big into politics myself, but for real, why do /pol/ people hate the idea of improving people's lives and making the world a kinder place in general?
they just seem like a bunch of hateful douchebags who want people to suffer 2bh
>>25013290
Shame, what happened?
I used to be a liberal atheist but then the fedora memes started and I didn't want to be a fedora so became conservative
problem is reddit is now also starting to make fun of atheists
>>25013342
You suffer because you deserve to suffer.
>>25013141
me, i was pretty far lefty a few years ago but by the time i started college i considered myself rather conservative or at least a moderate.
>>25013244
textless posts are a no go.
Face it. All of you have changed your political views because you have been brainwashed by 4chan. You are all weak minded.
A lot of people grow up libruhl because "making everyone more better is most good right?"
Then when you hit your teen years you start seeing you can't make everyone more better and it isn't most good.
Its especially weird for us /south/ bros who grew up hating conservative bubbas but now find us on the same side albeit for different reasons.
At the end of the day though U.S. politics are a rapidly sinking ship and you'd have to be retarded not to jump ship for one of the more conservative Euro countries, at least for now.
I'm conservative but I want to stop being an atheist
how do I convince myself god is real?
I'm a one-issue man who just wants to prevent my country being overrun with immigrants. This rules out all the left-wing and most of the right-wing unfortunately.
i just want to see leftist SJWs punished tBh
religious nutjob conservatives used to be the big problem, now it's these SJWs nu-humans that seem to make a living off of finding things to be offended at
i guess i'm just a faggot contrarian
>>25013342
>making the world a better place
Liberalism fallacy
Post one good example from the past 20 or so years of that in action
>gays getting married
True conservatives call for seperation between church and state, so we are actually on the same side. Even /pol/ seems to hold this general consensus despite the typical 4chan fag hate speech
>>25013342
To at least I empathize with your view a little bit, I'll say that, to them, what you're suggesting doesn't work and produces negativity instead of happiness, plus dysgenics. Natsocs for example have a strong belief in improving things, but they would disagree vastly with the current form of liberalism. (Not counting SJW stuff.)
>>25013444
>one of the more conservative Euro countries
Wow, what an astoundingly stupid thing to say.
I'll bite: What countries in Europe are more conservative than the US? Which ones could you possibly be thinking of here?
>>25013467
honestly, once you pass the threshold of actually denying the existence of a higher power (Like with science and shit) instead of just doing it for LE EDGE, there's really no going back. I dunno hombre try a different religion- or maybe a philosophy. If you don't mind me asking, why do you want to stop being atheist anyway?
>>25013350
So you're a pinball in the arcade machine of the internet?
>>25013498
I thought you needed to be super religious to be a conservative?
like as religious as liberals are atheist
>>25013552
italy is very conservative...
europe doesn't just consist of all the liberal happy places like denmark
>>25013552
Switzerland, though I'll admit freely that by and large European conservatism is going the way of the dodo
>>25013569
>I thought you needed to be super religious to be a conservative?
You should have just said "I don't know what a conservative is"
>>25013251
so ur a national socialist. do u beleive in having a strong national/racial identity
>>25013141
>be me
>talking with people about government
>"the government should provide basic human needs to all of its people"
>everyone including myself nods head in agreement
>"its an injustice that people live in a world where their most basic needs cannot be met"
>my turn to talk
>"absolutely, people should have access to what they need in order to survive. food, water, sex and shelter should be provided."
>they look at me funny
>"say the one before the last?"
>"oh, sex? well sex itself is a human need, the very reason we exist, so why not?"
>"ANON, NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO SEX WITH ANOTHER PERSON."
>"bu-but it just makes sense given that-"
>"NO IT DOESN'T! PEOPLE SHOULD NOT JUST BE GIVEN SEX."
A few days later, I became far right wing. When the economic marketplace becomes less competitive the sexual marketplace increases one hundredfold. Normalfags have NO empathy for our kind.
>>25013582
>italy
Literally trash, doesn't count.
>>25013590
>Switzerland
Yeah, like you're just going to "emigrate" to Switzerland. Hilarious.
You said "countries", so you have to actually name more than just one here.
>>25013569
Are you being sarcastic or is this legitimate confusion?
Protip, libertarians are more conservative than modern-day "liberals" or "conservatives" both. Don't confuse Fox News bullshit with real political ideology
>>25013628
>Literally trash, doesn't count.
at least they're one of the few countries who don't want their country to turn into a fucking caliphate
I'm more of a centrist tbqh.
Gonna vote Trump tho
>>25013569
Not necessarily, no. Conservative can also apply to political values and social (irreligious) values, in addition to religious values.
And liberals aren't just atheist, they're also anti-evolution when it comes to humans (creationism), pro-climate change (original sin), pro-collectivist (connected through god) and pro-state. (God.) A lot of religious-type thinking is at the core of all of these.
>>25013141
that's how it should be.
If being a male liberal at age 18 isn't beta enough, being one at age 30 is literally a failed and pathetic existence.
>>25013628
US citizens have a long history of emigrating to Switzerland to die alone and undisturbed
IIRC Frank Serpico did it
Also, the Swiss by and large speak English, as well as French which I'm passbly fluent in and could easily dedicate more time to learning if I wanted to
>>25013624
I'll take things that never happened for 400, Alex
>>25013553
because like you said the only ones who don't believe in god is because of LE EDGE
how do i get rid of this edge? I tried reading the king james bible but it was fucking ridiculous
>>25013141
Same here, used to be active in the local democratic party here in my hometown, now I just hate both parties.
When I was younger (teen years) leftist ideology seemed pretty self-evident to me insofar as institutional racism is bad and no one ought to be discriminated against purely based on race/gender/etc.
The problem I find now is that the definition of racism/discrimination has been blown way out of proportion. Liberal ideology has transcended the goal of equality in favor of the eradication of any minor inconvenience that might befall any individual who isn't a white male. It's also a mechanism by which to pass off one's shortcomings as a result of oppression by another group, i.e., white males. Finally its appropriation is a convenient means by which many people brand themselves as righteous, noble, and courageous.
tl;dr: New liberals are more sanctimonious buck-passing whistle-blowers than altruistic progressive thinkers
>>25013669
wait so liberals are both atheist and think evolution is fake while conservatives believe in evolution and god?
>>25013702
Also, neo-liberalism is inherently selfish at its core
>>25013702
Well no shit, there's a reason Progressivism became a car insurance brand.
True progressivism has no place in liberal thinking, and all other political ideologies are too busy trying to unfuck themselves to take on the ideal.
>>25013698
most people who make fun of athiests are in fact athiests. they just use religion to laugh at how mad athiests get, because it really is funny how easy it is to trigger them
>>25013725
Why are you on 4chan if you can't read?
>>25013467
Try this Mormon org
D&C 123:12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it
>>25013725
Liberals claim to believe in evolution while saying that all humans are biologically equal. Religious conservatives believe in creationism (most of the time) but not necessarily that everyone's created equal. Hence equal opportunity, yet unequal outcomes at times.
>>25013141
>be liberal in med to late high school
>preach for gay rights
>preach about occupy wall street etc etc
>was never a feminist or anti gun nut though
>now
>have more right winged views
>still not anti gay but think a huge portion of the gay and trans community are dominated by a loud, degenerate, liberal minority making the normal acting ones look like freaks.
>Realize the right wing and the left wing are both shit. the left wing makes us suffer socially. makes women more slutty and evil, a normie dominated millenial shitfest. and the right makes me suffer economically. im poor as shit, the right wing rigs the system so we stay poor.
the right wing and the left belong to the same bird. and are both designed to make you suffer
just in a different way each time
>>25013141
I'll listen to whatever party I think is right other than that I just stay away from politics stirs up way too much conflict.
>>25013693
>US citizens have a long history of emigrating to Switzerland to die alone and undisturbed
Yes but it's a country of 8 million people with extremely strict border controls, it's not a place you can just move to if you feel like it - that's my point.
>>25013729
Neo liberalism has very little to do with contemporary leftist ideology, if that's what you're implying. Sure, Obama supports neoliberal policy, but so did Reagan.
I used to be very left leaning when I was younger, I hated "the system", "the MAN", capitalism etc. as I got older and wider I realized how naive I was. I'm still left leaning, but not left leaning like SJW teenager rebels are.
I hate loudmouthed morons who demand respect but won't give any back, I hate feminists because they're dishonest and just cause more shit than fix anything etc.
I still dislike large corporations and I think they have every right to exist, and I dislike racists and sexists as well, but I absolutely hate slacktivist keyboard warriors and "black lives matter" type of social justice gangs. I don't really know where I stand, so I just say I'm independent if someone asks.
>>25013790
>and the right makes me suffer economically. im poor as shit, the right wing rigs the system so we stay poor.
think that might be remaining part of you that is clouted with left wing propaganda. Its the left that creates laws that lock people into economic prison or unemployment, by setting requirements that don't compute with the free market and creating incentives for poor economic choices. Look at the welfare pit and single moms.
My dad has been a libertarian atheist since before I was born, so I've held pretty similar views to him throughout my life.
>>25013141
>right wing as a kid
>Left wing as a teenager
>right wing again when I became and adult
The ride never ends
>>25013899
A corporation is just something a big business does to compete with other big businesses by linking itself to the government to use political influence to increase its own profits. They don't have to exist other than that the government wills it.
>>25013958
Also, by a means of necessity, if you're in charge of a big business, its hard if not impossible to not be out competed by another business who decided to make itself public.
>>25013347
He realized that leftism is literally a death cult that the west has succeeded not because of but in spite of
>>25013467
You don't need to believe that God is real in order to stop being an atheist, just recognize humankind's collective ignorance on this matter and move to pure agnosticism.
>inb4 agnostic atheism, that is by definition impossible
>>25013855
Emigrating between western countries is seriously not that hard anon. Border control and emigration policy aren't the same thing
>>25013141
social reject from the start so i hated all politics period. good for me i guess.
>>25013141
right wing ideology is honestly pretty stupid but at the same time left wing politics is very contaminated these days. I think we should be brave enough to experiment more with this stuff because it's a lame game that's only getting worse right now.
>>25013910
In support of this Anon's example, I would like to cite the following -
Los Angeles - habitually left leaning without fail - has recently considered declaring a state of emergency due to the ever increasing number of homeless people here, despite the "improved economy" I continually here people talking about. If a liberal paradise created economic opportunity and incentive - why are they on the verge of declaring an emergency over poverty?
>>25013600
I believe that cultural change is inevitable and I don't really mind immigrants or different races, so long as they aren't dickheads or mudslimes
>>25014133
>minding muslim immigrants
they won't blow you up m8, calm yourself
Was a libbo when I was 14-17. I was pretty fucking uninformed about politics and regurgitated opinions I've heard from other people because they sounded good on paper.
Now I have opinions from all across the spectrum.
>>25013141
I grew up conservative then became a libtardian.
I know it would only work in a homogenous society of people who aren't deadbeat retards but I don't care.
I also believe in socalized schooling- however based on results not tenure.
We need to destroy the teachers union(s).
>>25013650
>at least they're one of the few countries who don't want their country to turn into a fucking caliphate
Not him but due to their geographical postion it will still happen :^)
>>25014183
It's a poisonous doctrine at it's core.
>>25014183
I know. I also don't mind Muslims who live here as long as they've assimilated into our culture and they're not dickheads. What I mind is the 20% of Turks who think that honor killing is okay. Or the 50% of Iraqis who believe that sorcery and witchcraft are actually real. Those faggots belong in a backwards shithole country full of like-minded idiots... like America.
started kind of lefty,
then took a hard right straight into conservatism, libertarianism, and even conspiracy stuff following Jesse Ventura, Alex Jones, and supported Ron Paul during the last election with the whole "Ron Raul revolution", free market way, etc
Over the past year or two, I've become more left again on the fiscal and foreign issues, but still mostly right-wing on the social issues (as in SJW are just seeking attention and creating drama over trivial shit imo) and am pro-gun rights
I've even more recently given thought that perhaps more than 1 method can work to improve the economy of the US. As in, there's always pros and cons, but maybe there is more than one way to improve it, whether liberal or conservative. even though I'm more lefty again, I still have respect for Ron Paul and the idea of the free market method as well.
>>25014133
this 2bh
Mexicans assimilate
Chinks sometimes assimilate
Muzzies do not
all those towel heads are good for is blowing shit up
>>25013141
what's wrong with pot you faggot?
>>25014326
Degenerates such as yourself. People who base their entire identity on pot are invariably boring vapid faggots. When I was in my early 20s I watched friends and acquaintances become more and more boring as they got more and more into pot. Everythng they did had to be done in the context of that shitty plant.
I don't think it should be illegal because you can't make things go away by outlawing them, maybe if it were legal then dumb kids wouldn't think it was so cool.
>>25014478
you are a legitimate retard. i don't let pot control my life. the way i dress and look people assume im a chad who is also a meat head who never gets in trouble and goes to church every sunday. weightlifting and videogames are my life.
>>25014183
>dumping large numbers of unassimilated people into a wildly different socio-economic area
>itll be fine m8 XD
Libtard logic
I've moved from libertarian towards authoritarian.
I've learned that people are really not to be trusted to look after themselves.
>>25014577
Then you are in the tiny, tiny minority of consistent weed users
>>25014789
I have a stoner friend who is a chemist, he says most chemists smoke weed and do psychedelics.
My exgf was a bio major and a stoner and she didn't let it control her life. She still held a job and went to school. Didn't watch tv at all and rock climbed, hiked, and read books as her hobbies.
I go about 2 weeks on weed and 1 or more month off and am a screenwriting major, hold a job, and workout. I also don't constantly talk about weed. I haven't met any lololol weed xdxdxd people since high school.
>>25014860
Well you won't meet DUDE WEED LMAO types past highschool because they fail at everything but smoking weed
>>25014741
My statement isn't politically charged unlike yours. There are ways to properly assimilate and co-exist with any population. There are always challenges and non are particularly unique to Muslims from a historical perspective.
You're just an unempathetic worrywart if you think they're going to bomb you.
I'm a faggot. Why the fuck would I vote in a party that wants me put in front of a firing squad? Don't preach fiscal responsibility, either. The Republican plan for more "responsible" spending is to cut funding to public education and increase spending on military and border control. Let's not get into private charities, for that matter.
>>25013141
>herp derp libruls
>muh generalizations
Because posting /pol/ caricatures is a great way to make a serious point.
>>25013467
If you cannot reconcile yourself with God, reconcile yourself with providence, you can see God's will through the good things that happen in your life, divine favour looks upon you.
I used to hate everyone but I found that to be silly
Now I just hate the real thread which is Islam
>>25013698
>>25013467
>wanting to be a christian because /pol/ memes
How weak can you be, think for yourself idiot
>>25013790
It's the left that locks you into poverty anon, think about it? Who gains from there being more poor people? Only leftists, they gain sympathy by saying they will solve the poor crisis, they gain votes by saying they will help out the poor, yet they never do anything for the poor. Nationalists would do all they can to help poor natives, liberals will do all they can to make native poor.
>>25013251
Hi Jose Antonio. How's teh weather up there in falangist heaven?
>>25014953
public school funding should be cut, just wasting money on retarded niggers (did you get good grades because your school had nice pencils or because it was easy?).
Also, Border should be controlled. millions of spics driving down american wages to the benefit of degenerate cosmopolitan billionaires, and destroying previously nice places like Cali is not good. even a fucking homo should be able to see that.
Republicans ARE useless faggots though, and never achieve anything cause they're total cucks to leftists.
>>25013141
I used to the left, especially on economic issues and such. Everything rejected me though, based on superficial things too, I was robbed of my humanity, so now I just don't give a fuck about any politics that don't affect me directly in some concrete way.
I was left, but behind, alone, that's a good policy.
The only other policy I might support is voluntary extinction. The only course of action with the potential and finality to set everything right.
Sometimes I will see news posted around 4chan, I laugh if it's lulzy or If I feel especially shitty and bitter that day and forget about it later when I have it better.
>>25014951
Nice strawman, no one said they were worried of bombings. We are worried because hordes of un-educated, uncivilised people with a belief system that is openly hostile to our country are being dumped on us.
Mass immigration is an effective form of gerrymandering for the left and you know it.
If you're 15 and you're a conservative, you were raised as an idiot.
If you're 20 and you're a liberal, you are an idiot.
>>25015111
>voluntary extinction
So you support leftist ideology then, seeing as the do everything possible to try and make whites extinct.
>>25014951
Bombing is of course a constant issue on the backburner anywhere muslims exist, but it's really just a symptom of the larger problem.
Terrorism is an obvious but small threat. What you ought to be wirried about if you're not a deracinated faggot is the long term existential threat muslims and other third world garbage pose to whites.
Unlimited immigration will be the death of the European race. We're a global minority as it is, and their birthrates are far higher (ours are below replacement actually).
Enjoy your brown future.
>>25015213
We need to purge all outside influences from Europe, all leftist propaganda, deport all non-whites, ban birth control and abortions and wait.
>>25013342
How is removing kebab and niggers not improving people's lives and making the world a kinder place in general?
>>25015213
You're delusional if you don't think Western society is ruining itself without their help. Culture won't remain the same here or elsewhere. No current culture is going to win, it's never how it works, you always have something different in the end. Unlimited immigration actually works at destroying the belief systems you're worried about too.
>>25015167
So its settled, you are an idiot
I went from liberal to conservative to hating politics.
>>25015167
Being a regular conservative now is stupid because most things worth conserving have been turned to shit. popular culture and social institutions have all been degraded almost beyond recognition.
American conservatives are largely frauds, and will purge anyone who is actually serious. see what they did to Pat Buchanan, and how the republican establishment is reacting to Trump now.
Genuinely conservatism is of course the correct ideology, but you do need a sense of what you want to conserve, which is a tough bet on this forum of people who are largely hopeless and rootless. Acquaint yourself with the history of our people and have something to live for.
>>25015289
Society is secondary to biology, frankly I don't give a shit what happens if my people are gone from the earth. our existence is more important than any other. The spineless response to this invasion is however obviously a symptom of western moral decay.
>>25013342
Because death, destruction, and suffering drive innovation, and without them, our world would be a cold, ignorant, and primitive place.
Yet pure chaos also leads to stagnation, as problems pile on.
They must be cycled. Kept in balance.
World peace is just as bad as pure anarchy.
>>25013342
being right wing isn't about refusing to improve peoples lives.
What might help you is looking at every problem and considering that intrinsic equality between people/groups etc is a lie.
What's the point of redistributing society's resources to aid something that is never going to change?
The best way of improving peoples lives is to acknowledge their inherent traits and work within that framework.
>>25015401
I really hope this post is bait.
>>25015511
I don't think it's serious.
Naturally, the evolution of Stormfront astroturfing.
Notice how the entire campaign is playing on the male insecurities of betas.
Notice the frequency with which /r9k/ memes crossover into /pol/ memes. Frequency of theasperger's frog picture variation and/or REEEEEEEE. With this, Stormfront finds a malleable source of beta males that frequently come to the boards for their only form of social contact.
Phase 1. You aren't tall enough, you aren't male enough to steal women from other men, you aren't x, y, z enough if you are not a reactionary. See the carpetbombing of the terms manlet, cuck, cuckservative, etc. The goal is to effectively hit on the male insecurities of all beta males, as they are most prone to seek validation. The goal is to have them find it in reactionary masculinity boosting, which they feel they sorely need.
Phase 2: Lower the perceived value of masculinity in the other side, contrasting the definition of masculinity that the reactionary propaganda campaign has created.
Phase 2: Promote Stormfront as having those values sought after by "real" men as portrayed by this campaign. This will offer final validation as masculine for the betas in this board, and boost Stormfront numbers.
You've been warned.
Betas, you are tasked with making adult decisions regarding your mental health. Communicating human thought through pictures of cartoon frogs is a dead giveaway to your mental fragility, and people capitalize on the weak. This is your warning.
>>25013141
Your pic is wrong, OP. Jews are controlled by women.
>strongly pro-gun
>anti refugee
>pro-abortion
>pro-religion
>anti organised religion
>pro separation of church and state
>pro family values
>pro-welfare
>pro lgbt rights
>anti gay pride
>pro-military spending
>antifa are ridiculous and more dangerous than right wing loonies
I'm a mixed bag. More left leaning I suppose. My opinion on fiscal policy seems to flip every few years.
I'm sort of all over the place but I suppose mostly to the right. I try not to pay attention to politics anymore though because of how divisive it makes people. I get the impression people would rather see the opposing party get power and fail miserably than heaven forbid things improve one way or the other.
Why can't you be liberal and not a leftist idiot at the same time. Fucking murricans
social liberalism in the 1st world is cancer
political and economic liberalism isnt
prove me wrong
>>25014577
>weightlifting and videogames are my life.
Useless swedish socialist detected
>>25013141
I didn't move right, Liberal just moved left.
