>tfw no socialist BF
I'm in Las Vegas and single, lady comrade. ;)
>>25003897
what kind of socialist are you?
>tfw no socialist """BF"""
baka
>>25003905
The hot kind
>>25003877
>tfwnogf
hahaha I suffer too
>>25003877
I hope your not a Marxist, that shit is doomed to failure. Democratic socialism is the way to go
INB4 feel the Bern
>be Marxist-Leninist
>democratic centralism making me do stuff I don't agree with
>can't get along with many other socialistsAt least I'm not a disgusting Trotskyist
plain ol Marxist with radical feminism
Good ol Serbian commie here, comrade. Your body belongs to the people. Long live Tito.
.All these pathetic kek throwing themselves at some fat gimp.
Embarrassed to be serbian seeing another serb who is probably a cigan replied.
>>25004927
You're probably a muslim. I bet you support Kosovo.
>>25003877
socialism is cancer
Socialist guys:
>weed is revolutionary
>hate my parents
>pretends to be invested in society because they have no family or friends worth investing in
>red flags
>pseudo-intellectual smug faggots that wants to be told they're right more than they want to be right
>>25005311
Replace red flags with yellow ones and you just described every college aged Libertarian I've ever meet.
>>25004985
Can I get an actual quote of marx supporting statism?
You see, you actually haven't ever read marx. All you have is conventional wisdom.
>>25005351
No, you can't get a quote because I've never read anything that Marx wrote, and I don't need to. It's common knowledge and that's all I need to know that it's just brainwashed propaganda.
>>25003877
>tfw no gf who rides the tiger
Swede here. socialism is hell
>>25005941
>tfw no gf who is a divine incarnation fighting against the materalistic hosts of the kali yuga
>tfw no gf who is ready to for the tauroctony
>>25006569
t. le pure aryan race
>>25003877
>implying self-proclaimed 'socialists' aren't just SJW cultural Marxists
>or edgy 14 year-olds
>implying traditional Marxism has any relevance in a post-industrial society
>implying the broad left is physically capable of unity/refraining from petty infighting
>implying Evola isn't spinning in his grave
>>25003877
>>25003897
>>25003998
it's over
we are officially tumblr now
>>25006602
>why don't you just roll over and accept your demographic replacement shitlord
>>25006810
I think the right wing needs to respect Marx more. He really provides some great conservative traditionalist criticisms of capitalism. There are a few modern genuinely Conservative (not just libertarian) philosophers who tease out these criticisms (Check Roger Scruton).
>>25006595
Whilst Evola has some good conservative criticisms, he's too much of a radical reactionary for me. I also think his metaphysics of sex is really awful and just crazy gibberish.
>>25006845
how do I into politics? Like I want to find out what my general beliefs are and then from there start reading books on the deeper side of things.
>>25006864
Dunno m8, I was just brought up in a family where politics was talked about everyday and then read things that were suggested to me/seemed interesting. Politics is also part of my degree.
I'd suggest starting with problems. What do you think the big problems are in the world? You should then try to find things to read about involving that. Finding people who actually are interested in talking about politics is useful as well.
>>25006960
>problems in the world?
The biggest thing of immediate concern to me is immigration. I feel like I'm going to be a minority in my own country in a few decades. Other than that, I really don't know.
Property tax as a concept really bothers me too. It seems pretty awful that you can buy a farm or a house and after you pay it off you'll have to pay the government what is essentially a ransom to stop them from stealing with you.
>>25005311
>tfw in a socialist party
>the last time I smoked weed was in Amsterdam and I don't live in Amsterdam
>I have a great relationship with my parents and the rest of family
>I have a lot of friends and do casual sex
>like to discuss with people who disagree more than with people who agree
I think it's the other way around, mate
The grill I may go out with calls me a filthy commie though, but still wants my D
>>25007081
I'm not a very political person, but I really don't get full on socialism at all. I like the idea of socialised education because it allows for social mobility, though.
Tell me, why do you think a Dr. should earn the same as a fry cook? Don't some people deserve to earn more money than others?
Assuming that's what socialism actually is, it is to my understanding.
>>25003877
>misspelling cuck
>>25007024
You sound pretty right wing. The only respectable thing I know of that discusses immigration in the terms you describe is by the Salisbury review.
http://www.salisburyreview.com/
Regarding property tax, you criticism seems like a pretty hard libertarian one. I suggest reading Rothbard,Friedman or Hayek. I think Hayek is probably more up your alley as his writing style isn't that of a total wanker.
I'm not a libertarian though and I'd suggest reading Reflections on the French Revolution as I think it's probably the most important book on political philosophy we have.
>>25007081
Are you a proper socialist or are you just a filthy liberal who has digested a bit of Gramsci.
>>25007110
I don't think a Dr. should earn the same as a fry cook, I believe a fry cook should earn enough for a comfortable existence. We need fry cooks in a society too. Not to mention people that do really important jobs, like nurses, also get paid shittily, while chairmans make more money than they'll spend in their whole life, and at my place we have no progressive tax.
I work in a corporation and when I talk to the cleaning ladies on my cigarette breaks sometimes I'm quite frustrated. They work every single day, many more hours than me, and I don't even have a diploma, I was just people smart. And they barely survive month by month.
It all depends on a society but around here people don't value the workers at all. Liberatarians say we should remove the tax, but if we remove the tax the same thing will happen as with commission contracts - instead of a regular job contract they give a commission contract to people so they don't pay the insurance, but none of the saved insurance money goes to the worker.
>tfw no bf that dislikes the super rich but also thinks it's crazy to pay people for existing
>>25007182
>paying for existing
As socialist as I am, I don't like the idea of social support for people who don't work. It doesn't lead to good things. If you give money to anybody then maybe give it to all so there won't be "eh, if I go to work they'll take this money away and I won't have much more in the end so there's no point" thing, would also remove all the administrative shit which also eats up money, but it probably still wouldn't calculate, just an idea though.
Anyways, there are people who work, and probably harder than you, and still live in poverty. Socialists fight for these people, not for pathological cases who take money for existing and probably spend them on wrong stuff.
>>25007162
so the salisbury review, reflections on the french revolution and hayek? Does hayek have a single definitive work you would recommend, or at least a starting point?
>>25007176
I don't think it's fair to say fry cooks can't afford a comfortable existence. In my country anyways, a fry cook job is enough to pay the rent, have hot showers and feed yourself. We have socialised healthcare so that isn't a concern, maybe where you are from they can't afford insurance?
>>25007268
Sounds like your country has already been quite socialist senpai. Though by comfortable life I also meant being able to save up some small amount every month so you can also have money for emergencies, or afford a vacation. There's no sense of security whatsoever if you can't make any savings and I assure you the most of people here can't make savings, if they aren't already in debt.
>>25003877
Hold din kaeft
>>25004985
Bakunin was a socialist but Marx did ruin the mainstream labor/socialist movement desu senpai
>>25007268
Starting point for Hayek would be 'The Road to Serfdom'. Salisbury review is just a general British Conservative journal and so talks about more than simply immigration but it's the only thing I could think of, that's decent, that talks about immigration in the way you did. I don't really have any literature on immigration.
Ernst Renan's essay on civic national "What is a Nation?" might be relevant, but I think you're more interested in ethno-nationalism and things of that ilk. I'm not an expert in genuinely /pol/ tier readings. White Identity: Racial Consciousness in the 21st Century is something you might be interested in. It does provide a genuinely interesting argument and there isn't any "LOL NIGGERS" or "DA JEWS.
in it, which is nice.
>>25007321
you're not really supposed to subsist on minimum wage for a lifetime, though. If you worked at mcdonalds for several decades and weren't totally incompetent you'd like be earning above that wage, and there are also lots of opportunities to branch out into a different career. You could get an HGV licence and earn double your frycook pay driving trucks, for example.
Vacations I wouldn't consider a baseline at all, they're a luxury. I'm middle class and I haven't been out of the country in years. I suppose it's just a difference in perspective.
If you lived with your parents (you really should if at all possible while earning minimum wage) you could actually save several hundred pounds a month, which would put you ahead of many middle class idiots who earn 60k/year but still live paycheck to paycheck because they insist on paying off their fucking range rover and shitty 500k house in the suburbs
>>25007410
Thanks. It's not so much that I dislike other races, I just believe that we should be preserved. A few years ago you'd be called crazy for suggesting we would be outnumbered in our own country, but now the rhetoric has shifted to people claiming it's not our country, that countries are a construct and that there's nothing wrong with being outnumbered. It worries me. These people would want to protect some exotic rhino from extinction, why not me?
>tfw amazing bf
>>25006810
this. they don't want genuine communism/marxism, that would mean actually sacrificing a lot of their comforts. they just want capitalism with more welfare (which IMO isn't such a bad thing if the money is spent on services, education and creating jobs, instead of just handing it to people)
>>25006960
>the "war on drugs"
>radical Islam
>widening socioeconomic gaps, and decreasing social mobility
>mass immigration
>the death of free speech
>men's near total lack of sexual/reproductive rights, and the bias against us in the court system
but most importantly
>not enough trains
>>25007448
>implying there are opportunities when you gotta earn money with the no-perspectives job you have right now so you can feed your children
You were born in middle class, weren't you?
And how about people that can't live with their parents, because they're fucking adults with a family and they have jobs in a different place than they come from, which would result in spending more money on transport than on rent?
You're speaking from some ridiculous perspective with that suburband house or range rover thing. I'm not talking about dumb upper middle class people who can't manage their money, I'm talking about lower class people who don't have an opportunity to do anything with their lives because they're too busy surviving. Even me, I had to start working at 16, started uni late because of that, and now I'm not sure if I'll afford next semester's fee - guess why? Because I had a health emergency and healthcare won't help me with that. I'll still manage one way or another, but many people have worse situation.
>>25007521
>so you can feed your children
what the fuck are you doing having kids while you earn minimum wage? Get a shit job, save up for a welding or truck driving or diving course, go into a job relevant to the qualification, enjoy making 30k/year.
>can't afford next semester's fee
Do they not have student loans where you live?
>>25007555
>Do they not have student loans where you live?
No, I can take a normal loan with some ridiculous percentage. I can't take a normal percentage loan because, heh, I have a shitty contract since my capitalist employer wanted to save up on me. And I'll surprise you: I'm still considered quite lucky/successful by other young people I talk to.
I don't have children, I was talking from my parent's perspective.
>get a shit job
>save up for a welding or truck driving or diving course
>save up
And how do you do that if rent expenses alone are bigger than minimum wage where you live unless you rent just a room (in that case rent will eat up "only" half of your wage)?
>>25007626
you stay with your parents, who in an ideal world weren't stupid enough to give birth to you while on minimum wage.
the more I speak to you, the more I believe that poor people are the products of either their own or their parents decisions. The amount of working class people I know who blow half their paycheck on beer and cigarettes only to complain they can't make a living boggles my mind.
>>25007555
most people in the millennial and later generations are/will be working minimum wage jobs for most of our lives. if only the upper class has kids, then the population will plummet. now, without mass migration and globalization, this isn't such a bad thing as the lower population drives up the value of labor, wages increase, and we have another baby boom. but in the current system, governments/corporations just import a lot of dindus/mudslimes, or ship the jobs overseas. so unless we either close the borders or start out breeding the muds, Anglos/Europeans and east Asians are fucked
>>25007679
>most people in the millennial and later generations are/will be working minimum wage jobs for most of our lives
proof of this? Sounds like nonsense. Coming out of Uni with a bog standard social science degree will earn you at least 20k/year starting, as will learning a trade. The only people earning minimum are uneducated or students trying to earn side cash.
>>25007722
most people aren't getting science degrees though. and even some STEM degrees these days aren't so useful, as there are just too many people who have them with better grades, from better schools, etc
>>25007661
Again: you can't always find a job close to your parents' house and transport is expensive too. Actually I live with my parents - that's why I can save up, I make above minimum wage and I'm actually good at saving up. But right now a health issue is eating up my savings regularly.
I worked since 16, make the same money as my coworkers with master's degree, finally started going to uni, didn't have problems with money until now, and you're telling me I'm poor because of bad decisions. I mean, the system where 10% of people have more money than the other 90% altogether can't be wrong, right?
I think we know different working class people. Then I know some richfags, and they blow money on hookers, casinos, when they want to go drink they rent a hotel room, etc.
>>25007722
>The only people earning minimum are uneducated or students trying to earn side cash.
Top kek. In what universe do you live?
>>25007763
>social science
It's a babby tier degree that you can get into with shit grades, and pass with below average intelligence. I'm not talking about stuff like medicine or physics.
>>25007836
are you seriously claiming there are people coming out of Uni with 2:1 degrees in good subjects and earning minimum wage?
>>25007805
Yeah, I do support a degree of socialisation, I should make clear. In Britain we don't have to worry about health issues eating into our savings.
>>25007679
those dindus are usually moving from less free economic societies to more free ones
>>25007881
didn't see the social part, sorry
but fuck those cuck and whore tier people
>>25007805
>transport is expensive
exactly, this is why we need more trains. much more efficient than personal vehicles
>>25007881
I can claim that there are people coming out of uni with a master's degree and they make they make barely over a minimum wage. I see a whole bunch of them at my job everyday. And their situation is considered pretty good.
Also to get a degree in the first place you have to have time and money to get it.
You're a person who got a sense of security from their country, benefited from socialism, and tell a person who doesn't get it that they deserve being poor and socialism is enabling them in their uselessness.
>>25007836
You might want to look up the actual data first because he's right you know.
>>25003877
Marxist Anarchist Communist here
>>25007995
I'm not saying that democratic socialism is bad though, but I'm saying that people earning minimum wage are usually fuckups. What master's degree did these people graduate with, and what grade did they get in that master's degree?
Tldr
Oh fuck I hate commies. Literally the worst that could happen with country.
Sincerely, The Russian
>>25008006
Well, the rate of higher education is still low, although it goes up and makes degrees worth less. Also the point of not everybody being able to get a degree because of their life situation stands.
In my country 50% of people make less money than me, and I don't make much more than minimum wage (I get well below average of course). Doubt it's all people with no qualifications or education.
Of course I also know people who are getting their first degree together with me and they make much more money, but those are guys who got a job from their rich parents (who also pay for their school).
>>25008028
Well, from my closest coworkers, one has some biology related science degree (which is kek cause it doesn't have anything to do with the job we do) and another has something related to slavic languages, I don't know the specifics but they both have master's.
Why can't you believe that people can actually be underpaid?
>>25008151
have you considered that they both got abysmal grades?
>slavic languages
what a useful, transferable skill!
>>25008187
Actually one (the one with MSc) told me she had the scholarship for good grades so I doubt that.
Also you keep ignoring the most of points I make.
>>25008227
wait, so only one of them has a masters? Is that the slavic studies or biology one?
>>25008257
The one with MSc, I said
The slavic one has MA
>>25008272
oh I get you. I'm really not surprised the master of slav is working a shit job, but if you're being honest about the biology one then I'm concerned. How does such a thing happen?
>>25008293
>parents stop giving money
>if you go back to parent's house you won't be able to find a job nearby because they live in the countryside
>you go to the city but you still can't find a job
>go work a job which is comfy but doesn't pay enough for you to save up
>somehow stuck in it
She says she wants to change jobs but somehow still can't find a better one, I dunno man. Not sure if they'd pay her much more either. She's not even sperg or anything too heh
>>25008352
>somehow stuck in it
that's a really vague answer, are there no jobs in her field going in the entire city?
>you will never be fucked by Che in the dirt deep in some forest while all of his soilders watch on
Who /nasserist/ here?
>>25008369
If there were she wouldn't be here, yeah? I don't know how it happens with MSc, although I can definitely see how it'd happen with MA.
>doing a degree in security
>want to work in the public sector
>all the people you know that work in the public sector got there by knowing someone important
Well, back then when I worked a minimum wage job in a factory, my boss was the son of the more important boss - dude didn't even finish middle school. I was doing high school at the same time as working there (I was 16, it was my first job)
>>25005334
I'm a libertarian. I don't hate my parents and weed is for faggots
>>25003877
My grandma met Castro back in the 60s at a dance and danced with him. She said he was very handsome.
>>25005351
>>25005912
This is kek as fuck
