whats with all the degeneracy nowadays?
what happened to morals and sanctity, to nobility and honor, to traditional and sacred values
>>24962953
There is a danger to people who live in a struggle-free existence, for they are all too easily governed by material interests.
>>24962922
Decadence and perversion are hallmarks of dying civilizations.
It's simple. The west is dying a slow and pain death.
>>24962922
Degeneration is a good time to get the chance to look at the end of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable laws including any attached documents
>>24962922
liberals
seriously
>>24962953
Those have been branded as radical, dangerous ideas by liberals.
>>24963041
watoriginal comment you fuckin robot
>>24962922
We've become a post-Christian society. While not perfect, religion tends to act as a bridle against people's worst instincts. Secularism, on the other hand, encourages hedonism and degeneracy, because there is no higher power to be accountable to.
>>24963131
>Secularism, on the other hand, encourages hedonism and degeneracy, because there is no higher power to be accountable to.
Secularism isn't an organized institution and thus cannot encourage or discourage anything.
If the only thing stopping you from being a degenerate is fear of a higher power then you're not actually a good person.
>>24963113
Degeneracy solves the same problem as a whole lot of fun with butts. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me at your earliest convenience.
>>24962922
All time is cyclical. I think for civilizations specifically it's usually around 2000~ years
>>24962953
The Allies killed them during World War II.
>>24963090
Most people don't care if you want a wife and children, but if you're going to start a fuckin race war over "Traditional values" and you're going to compare every non nazi as a SJW then you're a fucking retard.
This Counter Clockwise Culture is just as bad and materialistic as counter culture
>>24963131
fuck your shit bitch
fuckbyou
>>24962922
Why he doesn't sign up for the army then?
>>24963197
>Secularism isn't an organized institution and thus cannot encourage or discourage anything.
True, but it opens up the doors for subversive elementes (Jews, feminists, etc.) to cause problems in society.
>If the only thing stopping you from being a degenerate is fear of a higher power then you're not actually a good person.
You're misunderstanding. The average person is too amoral and stupid to just be left on his own without turning into a degenerate. I don't believe in God, except maybe in a very vague, universal sense, but I can see the benefits of Christianity or even Islam. I'm sure plenty of outwardly religious upper-class people throughout history have been more like me, and supported it more for what it did for the greater good than out of any genuine fear of Hell.
Not the guy you were replying to by the way.
>>24962922
How is not dying in a war at 18 degenerate? Don't you want to live in a society where wars don't happen day after day? Are we really autistic to actually want that hole in that life to be filled with blood and rampage. DURR LUBURL PUSSIES DON'T WANNA GET THERE LEGS BLOWN OFF FUCKIN PUSSIES
>>24964490
On the other side of the coin the real problem with modern politics in most of the world is that anything remotely right of center is compared to the Nazi's immediately.
I'm not trying to belittle the struggle of the men who fought in WW2 not for a second and not one bit but they climbed over eachother to do it and if Call of Duty was available at recruiting offices it would have outsold even what it did today.
Hundreds maybe thousands of kids killed themselves because they weren't medically fit for service.
>>24964419
Much less than that. Name a civilization that lasted that long.
Sure, some survive in weird fossilized or adapted versions like Rome, but 2000 years is way too long.
>>24964546
>the jews
alright your an idiot, fuck off.
>>24964546
Yea religion was made to control the masses, and now capitalism does by encouraging hedonism, marketing convinces people that products will make them happy, people need jobs to get the money to buy the crap, people will only be as civil as they need to be to attain said money. Money has become God.
>>24964595
when I say 2000 years I mean civilization as a whole
2000+~ years ago we shifted from polytheism to monotheism
now we're in or closing in on the shift between theism and secularism.
Which is why the global problem we're facing is a religious group who are the last of the big 3 religions to still believe in their magic man so much they'll kill people for him.
>>24964579
I see you trying to bait, friendo. but you said it yourself. you're a giant pussy. not wanting conflict and glory in your life is a sure sign that you aren't and probably never will be a man
>>24964625
The most statistically subversive group of people in the United States are by far left-wing, secular Jews, no matter how many names you call me.
It's not really possible to have this conversation if it's somehow taboo to bring this fact up.
>>24964657
Islamic terrorism was and is mostly caused by US foreign policy, and it hurts Muslims more than anyone else.
>>24964648
I'm not either of the original people involved in this comment chain but I'm pretty sure you're missing the point. The whole "the church was used to control the masses nothing more" is really just one of those things contrarian people have spouted so much that somehow it's gained some actual traction in society as a belief, I have no idea why.
The church classically did control a lot of people but so did governments and monarchies, when an institution goes on for long enough with unchecked power (I.e. The Catholic Church historically or original Church of England) it gets corrupted because men have a tendency to corrupt things after a while. The church also was a great thing for a lot of people as the anon above said, it kept dumb people from becoming complete retards, and allowed rich people to help the poor by using the church as a vehicle. That's all the religious stuff aside which I won't go into because everyone here is a raging atheist
>>24964686
Unless it's like a legit reason like in Red Dawn or your country is actually being attack there's honestly no need for me to go out and fight. You have a very oafish and moronic way of thinking and you are no better than the Islamic cunts who would blow others up just for "HONOR"
>>24962922
>bemoan the loss of traditional values and nuclear families
>meanwhile, spend 24/7 on a Cantonese cartoon board spouting "GAS ALL NIGGERS, KIKES AND FAGGOTS! SJW DEGENERACY!!" at everyone who disagrees with you
Funny how /pol/ likes to point the finger at other people for boastful displays of "degeneracy," meanwhile the concept of basic decency completely fails to dawn on them and the rest of their neo-con brethren.
>>24962953
They never existed anywhere but in your own head.
>>24964591
>Hundreds maybe thousands of kids killed themselves because they weren't medically fit for service.
Those kids were retards
>>24964688
If think the jews who did shit like 9/11 and the Patriot act are left winged then you're stupid
>>24962953
what are those traditional and sacred values?
>>24964718
its still kinda goes without saying that Islam is pretty much the last monotheistic belief system that hasn't gone thru the"nobody cares" machine like Judaism and Christianity.
Islam .vs. the West is essentially the turning point of civilization as small it may seem.
>>24964789
I was agreeing with you on that, religion is great at keeping people in line. Controlling the masses is a beneficial thing for society.
I was just pointing out that now lust for money does that for most people. By ridding ourselves the concept of an afterlife all it comes down to is this life and all the pleasures we can have in it.
>>24964796
let the idiot yell in his corner, his opinion wont change anything.
>>24964899
>By ridding ourselves the concept of an afterlife all it comes down to is this life and all the pleasures we can have in it.
thats a bad thing?
>>24964789
>The church classically did control a lot of people but so did governments and monarchies
Governments and monarchies claimed to get their authority from the church.
Even the US with its freedom of religion was very much founded as a Christian country.
Separation of church and state just means there can't be an official state church, it doesn't mean that politicians shouldn't be religious.
>>24964841
If you think the Jews did 9/11 and the Patriot Act then you're beyond help.
>>24962922
I am glad you asked anon.
This is Anders Breivik. He wrote a manifesto. You can google it and it will answer your questions.
>1000+ pages
TL;DR
Marxism wants to destroy Western cultural values.
>>24964860
If you bothered to study anything about the history of the Islamic world in the past few decades, you'd know that a lot of countries were starting to become secular.
You'd also know that the most religious countries are US allies.
It's not Islam vs. the West because Muslim terrorists hurt the Islamic world more.
>>24964937
Not necessarily, but it does encourage more degeneracy if you think about it. Before secularism was as popular as it is now, people did less degenerate things because they were afraid for their eternal soul, whereas now people are having all the coked up sex they possibly can because there's nothing after this (supposedly.) Good and bad with both lines of thinking I suppose.
>>24964937
Yeah, because there aren't any percieved repercussions for acting like a fucking idiot.
People don't plan their careers and families well, and they judge each other based on stupid things like the size of their house and what reality TV show they watched.
>>24964975
he also complains that the videogames he gets to play in prison aren't good enough for him.
what a c.uck
>>24965008
what kind of "degeneracy" are you talking about?
>>24964951
That's pretty short sighted, seeing as how there have been a few other times in American history where people were more or less just as religious as they are now, sure it's always been a christian based nation but the general religious climate has changed a lot through history.
>>24965052
Single motherhood, popular "music", conspicuous consumption, ignoring serious social issues like wars and human rights, etc.
>>24965095
secularism causes single motherhood?
how?
>>24965078
People have gotten less religious overall.
If you say the US is a Christian nation today, you'll have a pack of SJWs crawling up your ass before you know it.
I'm an atheist, but again, I still see all the advantages that religion gives.
>>24965095
btw popular music is not degeneracy
>>24964841
>Those kids were retards
You have to see the world through their eyes, Anon.
Back in those days, being unfit for the service basically meant failing at being a man, it was a social death sentence. I remember my grand-mother showing me old photos of her friends proudly showing their papers, smiling because they were good to go to war.
There are youngs today who kill themselves because they cannot fit into society's mold, they're virgins/bullied/manlets/whatever.
>>24965095
>popular "music"
wew lad
>>24965122
Secularism allowed a mass media that encourages promiscuous sex.
Promiscuous sex makes it harder for people to have stable relationships, and makes them have more accidental kids out of wedlock.
Does this really need to be spelled out for you?
>>24965052
Culture being racially, sexually and socially charged to the level that is now. I'm not saying it's wrong, but things that would have shocked people 30-40 years ago are pretty much the norm in our society. Ex... casual sex, recreational drug use, being a general asshat in public, that sort of thing.
>>24965156
You sure about that?
Popular "music" is jungle-beats that Jewish producers stole from the Negro, and candy-coated to appeal to the masses.
>>24965144
im an atheist and i would still say this is still a christian nation to an extent
theyre still the majority and i bet most of them take part in this "degeneracy" that one dumbass was talking about.
>>24965156
Guys from Rae Sremmund regurally rape girls on their tour. How is popular music not degeneracy.
>>24965244
>jungle beats?
>stolen from the negro?
what?
>>24965251
Protestant Christian values have declined.
Things like self-restraint, (real) social justice, honesty, a good work ethic, etc.
>>24965271
>The music you make is the same as the other things you do
>>24965299
>muh arbitrary morals that dont actually matter
>>24965288
Do you know anything about the history of rock and pop?
It's what I said, slave music like blues that followed a very simple, "catchy" structure was mass marketed by Jews, and then adapted by white people like Elvis and The Beatles to create rock and roll.
Pop songs and showtunes were also a mostly Jewish-led development.
>>24965271
your going to hold the whole industry accountable for a few bad eggs?
>>24962953
they're for suckers. and a globalised world makes sure a lot more people know it
>>24965338
>the tripfag proves my point
>>24965386
literally dont care
>>24963131
Wrong; Christianity is perfect.
>>24963197
Wrong too. There is no good without God. You are, in fact, evil.
>>24964648
>Yea religion was made to control the masses
Wrong again, troll.
>>24965366
If you're talking about popular music in the textbook definition of any music that's produced commercially and markets itself, then no.
But popular music as in what is actually most popular is pretty degenerate. Top of the charts rock, rap, bubblegum pop like Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus, etc.
>>24965244
>"How other individuals lead their lives somehow inexplicably corrupts my soul."
Are you really this fucking stupid? If you don't want to see some idiot getting dry humped on TV, then turn off your fucking TV. Don't go crying for government or military intervention to encroach on everybody else's physical rights because a Miley Cyrus concert of all things triggered you.
>>24965363
arent jewish people also religious tho
you complain about how things are terrible because christians have their hook noses in less shit, yet jews are pretty much the same?
>>24965156
Yes it is, as is any secular music.
>>24965435
god literally ditched his son to die on a cross. Very moral of him
>>24965435
You butthurt christfags are the reason we have liberalism. Turn the other cheek, faggot.
>>24965420
>cared enough to post
>>24965435
>Wrong; Christianity is perfect.
He didn't say otherwise.
>Yea religion was made to control the masses
You really believe that some wandering Hebrew 3000+ years ago recieved messages from Yahweh?
Sure, it had nothing to do with a monotheistic religion lending itself a lot better to the needs of a monarch than a polytheistic religion.
>>24962922
Sure is /pol/ in here.
Degeneration happened because people got tired of tradition, got tired of the expectations forced on them by society. We create the world around us, and we created a world where individualism is the strongest value. This isn't so bad in itself, but when these ideas are constantly fed into by business, government, and society, it creates the perfect cage. We want to be happy, not because of the role we play but because we are free to do as we please, and so industries arise to cater to individual interests (video games, porn, social media).
Although Dixonish may realize the horrible irony of playing a game about what his grandfather experienced as a tragedy, it won't stop him from continuing to waste his life, because there is nothing else of real value in his life, nor is there in any of ours. Who would want to contribute to society, when everyone else in society has their heads so far up their ass that it adds no value to interact with other people. The only people who gain from this (Chads and Stacys) find a smidgen of false camaraderie in their shared self-obsession. People are people, they don't change.
People act out the story that society gives them. 100 years ago that story was to "Work hard, get married, care for your family, or you will be outcast". Today it's "It's all about you, and you'll find comfort no matter what you do, the only thing you cant do is interrupt other's right to be comfortable."
>>24965474
Troll somewhere else Redditor.
>>24965487
Wrong again, troll. Liberals nearly destroyed Notre-Dame de Paris because they wanted to stroke their own godless egos.
>>24965499
>You really believe that some wandering Hebrew 3000+ years ago recieved messages from Yahweh?
>Sure, it had nothing to do with a monotheistic religion lending itself a lot better to the needs of a monarch than a polytheistic religion.
Illiterate liberal spotted
>OMG LIKE NOT SUCCUMBING TO THE ONIONS OF THE MASSES IS LIKE...LITERALLY RAPE
>>24965517
Spook harder, illiterate.
>>24965499
>cared enough to post
>Informing someone of how you feel is the same as feeling something
>just because you don't care about one thing means you cant care about helping someone understand how you feel
>>24965451
It's not about me, it's what it does to the rest of society that's too stupid to see through it. It says more about you that you assumed I think it's all about me.
Some of the arguments for censorship are very good. The average person will just gobble up the lowest drivel, and record companies don't have the integrity not to produce such drivel.
>>24965461
Most Jews active in promoting degeneracy are not that religious, many are even atheist. Also Judaism as a religion is different from Christianity because they believe they're better based on having Jewish heritage alone, and most of them only care about helping other Jews, even if they claim to care about helping poor people or minorities.
Doesn't "degeneracy" just mean "something fun I'm not able to partake in because of my pathetic social life" on 4chan?
>>24962922
I'll tell you what happened.
Times have changed.
It's harder for a country to militarize and fight a lost "cause" because of all the economic interdependence we have today.
So, what have you done? Have you served your country's armed forces in a war? Have you any right to judge what is truly "degenerate" based on what someone else says without trying to wipe over the facts?
I served my country fighting in Iraq (inb4 armykek). I do not mind video games having a really poor representation of what I and every other soldier did. I fought for those in my country to be able to play those video games without having to worry about being beheaded by ISIS for said video games not letting you play as a terrorist defending from the "western insurgents".
I believe that we as a society have improved because we are not forced to enlist at the age of 18. Fewer ambitions are squandered. Just think of what if the founders of Google, 4chinz, leddit, etc. had to wait a few years. Chances are, we would be behind where we currently are with technology.
But no, keep shitposting on an anonymous image board about how the future is ruining the world. I'm sure that makes you feel better about yourself.
>>24965586
>"/pol/ here. How can I convince other boards to be more like /pol/? I know! I'll go around acting like a complete jackass and pissing off as many people as possible. That'll work!"
>>24965586
>Illiterate liberal spotted
I was referring to Abraham (the first to receive messages from Yahweh), not Jesus.
>>24965517
People didn't "get tired" of tradition, it was deliberately attacked by people who took advantage of the benefits of a democracy with freedom of speech.
>>24965669
*how the current generation is ruining the world, not how the future is ruining the world.
>>24965663
Only according to projecting morons.
>>24965669
LE CURRENT YEAR
>>24965672
Somebody has never been to /pol/ and doesn't understand Scholasticism.
>>24962953
No one cares. Why should we? Very few people believe in a god or an afterlife anymore, so why not just live a life of sin and hedonism? Its enjoyable, and a lot easier that being noble and honorable all the time.
>>24962953
That was never a thing. Humanity has always ALWAYS been shit for the most part. Stop romanticizing the past.
>>24965738
>Scholasticism
Is this what /pol/ is calling their neo-nazi ideology now?
>>24965641
>Most Jews active in promoting degeneracy are not that religious, many are even atheist. Also Judaism as a religion is different from Christianity because they believe they're better based on having Jewish heritage alone, and most of them only care about helping other Jews, even if they claim to care about helping poor people or minorities.
christians are the same
you dont care about minorities either
>>24965779
Yup; illiterate af rh.
>>24965791
Troll
>>24965778
It goes through phases of shit and non-shit.
You can show that things were better in the 50s with crime rates, divorce rates, obesity rates, drug abuse rates, quality of media, etc.
>>24965829
>using nigger twitter talk
degenerate
>>24962922
Tbh i enjoy degeneracy. I couldn't care less about disrespectful people, sluts, niggers or junkies. Morals and honor never appealed to me, and unlike a shitton of robots, i would never want to live in the early 1900's. Im gonna be dead in a couple of decades anyways, why should i care if society goes to shit? Not that i think it's going to shit, society is fine to me.
>>24965641
how do you know most jews are atheist?
why would an atheist still call himself a jew?
>>24965791
Protestant Christian countries ended slavery on moral grounds, and provide millions in healthcare and food to poor brown countries, so there's that.
>>24965865
Because you're a worthless secular.
>>24965924
That is correct. I enjoy every minute of it.
>>24965641
>It's not about me
Of course this is about you. The only reason you've allowed yourself to be radicalized by other social rejects is to compensate for what a failure you are at life. What happened - did your father beat the shit out of you and lock you in basements as a child? Did your uncle molest you? Go on blaming your librul boogeymen for that, but I hope you come to the realization that that's a crock of shit before you shoot up any abortion clinics and find your ass at the receiving end of Tyrone's cock.
>>24966006
Fallacies ahoy!
>>24962953
>posting anime
>muh traditional values
o am i laffin
>>24965880
The atheist ones are very open about their atheism.
Judaism is a heritage, and almost a nationality. Because of historical persecution and continuous exiling, Jews identified more with other Jews than whatever nation they happened to live in at the time, because their environment was so uncertain. Regardless of religion, they still identify as Jewish the way someone would identify as Chinese, Irish, etc. They also help other Jews before helping other people.
I don't even entirely blame them for being the way they are. They got that way because of suffering persecution, then they suffered more persecution after they caused problems in society. Who can really say which came first? Also I know not every single one is bad, just that many of the worst people in the US do happen to be Jews.
>>24965738
>Scholasticism
This shitty tradition has been BTFO for centuries. What are you actually thinking, nigger?
>>24966006
I've thought this way since as long as I can remember, I was never "radicalized".
I'd never kill anyone, it would only make society less likely to agree with me. Plus most people deserve more pity than violence.
>>24965641
>its not about me
oh well, of course you'll pretend its not for the sake of the argument
afterall, on the internet nobody knows youre a dog.
>>24966137
Except it hasn't, why do you keep chattering on when you have no clue about what you are blabbering on?
>>24966042
As autistic as it sounds, anime is full of traditional values, many Christian values too.
>>24964625
>your
I think you're the idiot
>>24966180
i pity you, too be honest
>>24966207
and yet, i still enjoy it.
i dont reject it because i doesnt reflect my values and stroke my secular cock.
>>24966236
Why do you?
>>24966296
becuase i think your ideas are stupid
>>24966199
>muh aristotle
>muh influx
>muh eminent properties
Fuck you, philistine.
>>24965144
Those poor christians are so oppressed :(((
>>24965924
Your care for society is unwarranted. When it is humanity's time that's that. There is an end to us. Whether it be tomorrow, 1000 or a million years from now makes no difference.
secular society's have lower voilence rates than society's rules by religion.
>war is head
this is the attitude of a "man" that America produces
>>24966363
Why are they stupid?
>>24966406
>strawman
>>24966431
That's because secularism is correlated with wealth. Religion (Christianity at least) doesn't "make" people more violent.
>>24966431
plus they excell most freedoms, democracy, human rights and education
which are absent in places ruled by christfags
>>24966406
theyre not opressed they are the majority. theyre just buthurt cuz no one takes their shit anymore.
>>24964823
>posting on the internet is degeneracy
Fucking dumbass, people like Thoreau and Plato would have loved the internet if they'd had it around.
religious nations have higher homicide rates than secular nations
look it up
>>24964648
>Money has become God.
>>24964823
pol also hates anything they percieve as liberal, which is ironic becuase theyre on the most liberal site on the internet
>>24966758
the fact that the absence of religion leads to collapse is absurd when theres plenty of evidence to the contrary
>>24966912
>no no everythings bad cuz i dont like the music
>>24966373
Projecting.
>>24966406
They are.
>>24966431
>>24966634
>>24966758
Lying and false attributions of value aren't arguments.
There is no good society, or Christian society, or theocracy. There never has been and never will.
>>24966424
To worthless seculars?
>>24966863
Somebody doesn't know what liberalism is.
>>24966912
>evidence
"i cant argue heres some solipsism"
>>24967840
>To worthless seculars?
To reality. The earth is billions of years old. "Modern" civilization has been here for what? around 2000 years. "humans" like 100,000 or something.
Can you honestly imagine humans making it another millennium or even another few centuries?
>>24968056
>i buy empiricist solipsism
>>24968056
More proof that secularism is a cancer: secularists literally do not care at all about the future of humanity. They are not invested in humanity's continued existence, much less prosperity. They are traitors to the species and should honestly be rounded up and executed without trial.
>>24968131
to put it into a way religious fags can understand.
Everything is God's plan. It is not your place to judge man for he will be judged by the Lord. If Humanity were to end through this so called degeneracy by religious logic it would still be under God's plan.
I care about the happiness and well being of others RIGHT NOW. Yesterday's taboo is today's degeneracy, and that's been repeating since we began.
