>Mass marketed consumer products are treated like religious experiences in the 21st century
Who else loathes modernity?
>>24954607
right here, friend
normans never fail to amaze me in their ignorance of how easily manipulated they are
>>24954607
I fully agree.
But at least the film industry isn't as fucked up as popular music and mainstream TV.
Hell, most of the ads I encounter on the radio and TV are just plain retarded and shitty "reality shows" are everywhere.
Yet, the most troubling fact is that I grew up with this shit.
>>24954716
>film industry
>not FUBAR
Have you seen movies nowadays? Everything is an action flick, a superhero movie, or a pathetic attempt at comedy. That's not to say there aren't good movies, but they are buried under an evergrowing pile of shit.
>Rejecting modernity
Time2embrace fascism m8
> White guy asian girl
STOP KEKING ME YOU GWEILO BASTARDS
>people lack societal guidance due to living in homogenized cultural marxist wastelands
>the only remaining compulsions are to procreate and consume
>feminism teaches that wanting to procreate is a disgusting urge that oppresses
>a million beta faggots have nothing left but to buy things or become irrelevant
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
>mfw we asked for this
>>24954732
independent cinema is still going strong in europe
america's fucked though
>>24954847
Definitely, but then again you could use the same argument for music.
TV is just horseshit though. It needs to die.
>>24954732
That's how I feel about Marvel/DC/Action movies that are mostly just about explosions, a stupid villain trying to destroy America for whatever reason, and more explosions.
They look meaningless and yet are by far the most popular with some shitty everlasting franchises (Furious7 topkek).
However, independant films, the french cinema and slightly lesser known movies that are based on original ideas are pretty good, even in the current year.
The real 7th art is hidden behind mainstream over-marketed shit but it's still there.
>>24954791
Fuck you got me there.
>>24954791
>marxist
sigh
>>24954607
>popcorn on the floor
there's a lot of things i can deal with
this isn't one of them
KILL ALL CRYBULLIES
It's just a couple hours of cheap entertainment, get a fucking grip.
Star Wars is kind of lame and unsubstantial and the newest movie is basically going to be a liberal propaganda piece but whatever I'll go see it because I'm curious and I like forced memes.
>>24954607
blame atheism
>dude religion is so stupid
>I'm going to replace it with vapid consumerism instead
>>24954607
>>24954653
>why are you guys so bitter! It's fun, why are you being weird about it? Just enjoy it and stop being so miserable!
>>24954607
Don't worry, you'll grow out of the angsty phase soon enough.
>>24955038
Do you think maybe we'll replace consumerism with something else, possibly even dumber, in the future?
>fucking idiots, how dare they enjoy something and be happy
>they should be enlightened like me so they can be void of any happiness
>it's better to be self-loathing and depressed then to enjoy things
Familia, I'm excited to see how shitty the future's gonna be, to be honest. I want to see it all burn.
Imagine what kind of world kids will grow up in in 50 years. Tweeting from the craddle, every little action registered online, raised by Youtubers and Tumblrites...
I think the cons of 10's internet outweigh its pros.
>>24954607
That selection of audience members is nowhere near diverse enough. Whoever drew that needs to check their tumblr artist privilege.
Mankind created a new fictional universe in order to escape when the real one is turning into shit.
Remember that a century ago, people used to embrace reality and the only distractions they had were about talented artists, reading books, alcoholism and sex.
>>24955038
>implying consumerism is worse than any other religion
people simply accept now that their life is meaningless and that hedonism is the way to go about that
>>24954607
Odds of a terrorist attack or shoot up at one of the premieres?
Place your bets here.
>>24954716
>But at least the film industry isn't as fucked up as popular music and mainstream TV.
But it is...
Do you guys think if stuff on TV/radio/cinema was really good we would appreciate what we have? Maybe it would ruin the socializing aspect of discovering new media, no longer being able to weed out the folks with ''bad taste''.
Maybe if everything mainstream was deep/good/quality work we'd be screaming back for our stupid action flicks and dumb teenager comedies.
>>24955098
You can pull the same shitty argument if everyone you knew was fucking coprophagic and made a big show of talking about how great eating literal human poo is.
>>24955098
The daily routine of an average person consists of nothing but consuming. Consuming food, shitty media, meaningless sex.. It's barely different from the existence of an animal, acting only to satisfy your primal urges. Existing just to get that rush of pleasant hormones in your brain.
Though, maybe you're right. This is what the majority chose after all.
>>24954607
It's all a fucking joke. Nothing is real anymore and the Jews are just laughing it up behind the curtains.
>>24954863
>TV is just horseshit though. It needs to die.
It sadly never will, though.
>>24954732
Even comedy is dying, comedies never draw in that much money compared to Transformers 86 and Marvel presents FUCK YOU! We call ready had your money at Marvel Presents. Even shitty comedies are dying, we get like maybe 2 a year. And most comedies are stuffed with modern references and events which do't look good in a movie. Comedy only excels on tv now
>>24954607
>The token Asian is a woman
>The token Black is a man
Always, man, always.
>>24955257
Most people are switching to Netflix for their Generic TV Show #23, and to the internet for their news. A lot of people don't even use their TV except for vidya. It's well on its way senpai.
>>24954863
TV is better than games, movies or music at the moment Tea bee haych
Yeah, well, that's how it is
All you can do is just resist by following your own sincere interests, even if that may result in you alienating yourself
>tfw 1984 will actually be 2084
>>24955060
You have to be pretty dumb to believe not being a pleb is being an angsty teen.
Lots of adults think like this.
>>24955212
but they are enjoying it, are you enjoying NOT consuming? be honest m8.
>>24954908
>l taught the bubble would pop with Thor
>l taught the bubble would pop with GOTG
>l taught the bubble would pop with Filler movie 58
lt keeps on getting stronger
time for us men among the ruins to start a revolt against the modern world.
>>24955313
there's more to life than being a senseless hedonist
>>24955283
TV will always have sports and old people though
>movies today are seen as amazing works of art because lol cgi and dramatic music
>even books now are heading down the consumerist path of being completely derivative trite
>>24955313
That's like getting at someone for driving a car if they have the misfortune to live in burgerland.
The society is literally structured to force people into a certain action, and as a result any criticism of the action is deflected with 'yeah well you do it' despite there being no other way to exist.
>your options are die or accept it
>no complaining allowed
>>24955313
Not anon, but I've had that debate a thousand times in my head, and as I've slackened in my steadfast patrician mindset I've had more social success in the last few years...
>>24955098
>>fucking idiots, how dare they enjoy something and be happy
He didn't imply this
>they should be enlightened like me so they can be void of any happiness
So if you don't enjoy mediocre media you can't live a fulfilling life? Ok
>it's better to be self-loathing and depressed then to enjoy things
Yeah, I guess I hate myself for thinking Star Wars is boring.
And I guess I don't enjoy ANYTHING if I don't enjoy most mainstream things.
C'mon, buddy
>>24955098
>I'd rather not think about how vapid my life is. Better just to mindlessly indulge in the simple pleasures of modern life
>>24955313
Not really. I mean, I did, but after days and days of the same shit over and over again, it just became incredibly depressing. Recently I've cut out vidya, and while it has been hell, it's definitely helped me improve. It leaves more time to draw, read, learn a language andshitpost. I've also started to read more, and I try to steer clear from movies like Comic book movie #69.
Don't get me wrong, it would be stupid to claim I don't enjoy hedonism on some level. But I think overcoming that basic nature is more rewarding than another surge of dopamine.
Blogpost over.
I prefer superior space operas such as Dune.
You know there has always been popular trash movies, music etc. We remember the gems from the decades passed and we've film buffs who've seen everything as a point of reference to what's good, we're just living through the wave of shite now so it seems endless, remember how nothing was good in the 00's and now we've best of lit for all 00's media
I read this book on religious experiences by William James and I really want to have a religious experience now. How do I get one?
>>24954607
>Mass marketed consumer products are treated like religious experiences
they are pretty similar
>>24955435
Go to church and find faith in Jesus Christ, my friend.
>>24955072
Consumerism will evolve into pagan worship. People will worship brand names. As movies and video games become more interactive, people will be able to use characters from such media as figureheads. Fictional characters will become our leaders. The lines between reality and falsehood will blur more and more until we're all living in matrix wombs.
>>24955446
I've tried that, no one's ever into it and I can't get like goosebumps like I could on Christmas day as a kid. I want an experience that's gonna shake my whole life and draw me on the right path. I want complete and absolute submission to God. I want to bear a stigmata or wrestle demons or something crazy like that.
>>24955038
Hating this
>atheism is a problem
meme that's come about on this site recently
here's the source:
http://zenpencils.com/comic/weirdness/
/rage/ thread?
>>24955392
Fucking this.
Dune is a classic. In fact, Dune needs a thorough HBO-type of filming. It needs the aesthetics of the Lynch dune but the story of the books/length of sci-fi and the acting of people who can actually act.
Also, I'm surprised no one has made a Dune RPG.
Imagine some sort of TES-style RPG set on Arrrakis.
My fucking dick would explode.
>>24955476
>I can, with absolute certainty, say that God exists, even though it's a concept that cannot be proven.
>I can, with absolute certainty, say that God doesn't exist, even though it's a concept that cannot be proven.
Thinking we can prove or disprove an existence of a higher power is arrogant as fuck. You can't know for sure either way. Gnostic Theists and Gnostic Atheists are both equally retarded.
>>24955336
No, they are seen as entertainment
Thank god BSG never feel to this bullshit
But RIP star trek ;_; and fuck you JJ for turning that shit mainstream with tumblr
>>24955521
I agree but one thing I can say is that believing in God is stupid because he can not be proven or disproven. If believing in something is your default position, then you are intellectually weak and that's why you are unable to find fulfillment without religion.
>>24955468
Crazy shit is hard to come by. Id suggest the miracle of the fire (iirc its called that).Seeing it first hand is one of my life goals.
>>24955342
>that pic
Jesus I'm fucking dying right now
>>24955487
Jesus this is some dumb shit
>>24955505
There is a Dune rpg or strategy game or something for PC
>>24955557
I have schizophrenia so I get these delusions that I'm somehow "special" or "really important", so having a miracle or some kind of deep religious vision happen to me seems necessary. I don't know how to describe it, I just want it really bad.
>>24955560
Holy shit.
>arbeit macht glucklich
>>24954791
>marxist
>OP complaining about vapid consumerism
dude what
>>24955585
Yes. It's an RTS. I mean a full-blown RPG.
>>24955487
I wished he'd become as infamous as Shit Buckley
Alas, he's been around a couple years and the meme has never really taken off
>>24955552
That is my point. Having a steadfast belief on the topic is pointless.
>>24955613
Frei
>>24955617
>implying cultural marxists are political marxists
"Cultural Marxism is an ideology which emphasizes culture as a main cause of inequalities. Critics have seen cultural Marxism and its influence as an important cause of political correctness and as an important cause of a perceived decline of humanities, social sciences, culture, and civilization in the Western world."
>>24955617
Cultural Marxism, anon
>>24955560
>protestant work ethic
>>24954791
Get fucked /pol/
>>24955641
>>24955644
I thought [r9k] was smarter than this.
>>24955476
I'm an atheist, but even I can see that modern atheism is really nihilism in sheep's clothing. That nihilism is quickly giving way to the worship of consumer goods.
>>24954968
>cultural marxist
completely different thing
>>24955667
>implying any of it is incorrect
get out, jude, get out
>>24955641
>>24955644
To simplify:
They are destroying people's sense of meaning and belonging with respect to their race, religion and even gender. This makes these people easy to control.
>>24955648
Believe what you want, friend.
But for your own sake, believe in something.
>not going so you can get shot by some psycho and be spared of your shitty life
If it happens I hope there is a Bane-tier scene to remember me by.
>>24955699
Not to mention tradition, family and history, leaving them with nothing to give value to other than $$$
>>24955668
No you're quite wrong. At worst you'd say atheism now has be hijacked by SJWs. The rest of the movement is mainly pro-intellectualism. It isn't a social, political or cultural movement
>>24954988
I'm only seeing it for the /tv/ memes desu
>>24955608
try mushrooms. or dmt
>>24955667
But it's true.
Cultural Marxism is what leads people to believe that tradition is oppressive, and that high culture is bourgeois.
But it offers no alternative, so society declines into this pit of hedonism and cultural rot.
I don't get this appreciation for days gone by. People in the fifties were equally shallow, vapid, and materialistic, people in the nineties hid their vapid materialism under a layer of irony and grittiness, people in the eighties were proudly materialistic, the seventies were literally called the 'ME Generation'. The Roarin' Twenties was all about consuming culture, and marked the beginning of Nightclubs, and anything pre-industrialization was marked by hard work and bitter toil for the majority of the population, living a shut-out life until you died of some mysterious cause without obtaining any understanding of the world. Sure, you had fresh food, good beer, and a communal lifestyle with friends and family unless you were the lowest of the low, but then, wouldn't you just be 'consuming' like you would be now? Instead of some shitty sci-fi movie, you'd just be bonding over food and song. People have, for the most part, since the dawn of civilization, have been shallow and stupid, they're just shallow and stupid about different things.
>B-but, the Dark Ages weren't the Dark Ages!
I know. And I enjoy the thinkers of that era like Aquinas, but the majority of the population didn't get to experience that. I'd rather be born now than at any point in time before, because at least now I have better odds of not living a life where I don't get to pursue knowledge, read, and learn. Appreciate the world you have, and if you can't, please, god, do something to make it better. Use what we have now as a gateway into the life you want to live. Unless, you know, you're just happy complaining and venting into a void.
>>24955723
Luckily though it is backfiring on them though. They've whipped women into such a feminist fervor that men no longer want to breed with them and birth rates are declining fast and they're losing precious future workers
>>24955776
>things have been shit for a while now so there is no point being against things being shit
>>24954988
>It's just a couple hours of cheap entertainment, get a fucking grip.
That's precisely why it doesn't warrant the fanatical legion it's gained. Nerd culture is strangely cultish.
Buy Apple products! They're cool and stylish.
You know what will go well with my new Apple laptop? A Starbucks coffee!!!
BUY BUY BUY BUY
>>24955724
I don't know. I'm very skeptical of my atheist peers. They seem to celebrate any iconoclastic activity, not realizing that the end of atheism is not to destroy meaning, but to remind people that it is a profound duty to create it.
I've almost completely disconnected myself from Western pop culture and entertainment. I haven't had a TV since 2010, and even then I rarely watched it. I stopped renting movies around the same time. I go to the cinema rarely. I also recently stopped buying Western games because the industry has gone full SJW.
Feels good, except for the game industry getting keked.
>>24955821
What do you do now, anon?
>>24955809
This why l'm ashamed of being white
>>24955830
Scribbles notes in a book he's writing for no one about his life underground.
>>24955799
I didn't say that. I'm saying if you want to do something about it, there's better things to do than shitpost about it. Why not work to develop your points? Why not learn, source, and refute, or, if anything, meet up with like minded people. If a bunch of drug-addled, dumb, over-reactive idiots like Hippies can make their own castles, free from a culture they saw as not fitting with them, what's stopping you from doing the same?
>>24955792
Except they're just importing millions of people from the third world to fill the gap
>>24955845
I'm improving myself, and occasionally I encourage people to join me in the endeavor.
Sometimes it's just cathartic to shitpost.
>>24955843
hah. I do that.
Can't let go of the delusion I might create something profound. Oh cruel reality.
>>24955821
Why turn pay attention to the actual arts
>>24955845
I don't know that he's totally misguided.
4chan seems kind of like a last bastion against the consumerist circle jerk that has overtaken society, especially the internet.
If it isn't now, that's only because it's already started to fall. It definitely started out as a place to get away from the mainstream circle jerk.
If we can't hold this as a place to denounce uncritical consumption, then all hope is lost.
>>24955866
>tfw when you realize that a great deal of consciousness, every sort of consciousness, is, in fact, a disease.
>>24955851
And those people will end up the same as us now eventually. They're just temporarily delaying their own demise
>>24955776
because now people literally are so shallow that they record everything about their daily lives and then put it on social media to brag at the whole world.
every time I hear the word selfie I cringe
>>24955830
Anime, Japanese games, Japanese music, assorted otaku stuff.
>>24955551
m-maybe there's hope for the tv show
>>24955916
You're underestimating the ideological power of Islam
related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y02pxleVRw
>tfw 21st century schizoid man
>>24955862
Fair enough. I mean, I like my electronic music (I mean, I guess it's not that new since Electronic music has been around since 1917.), and I appreciate a lot of modern life. The problem is, I know a lot of people who look towards past eras with admiration while slamming today's era, so I tend to associate criticism of Modernity with idealization of past culture.
>>24955877
>4chan seems kind of like a last bastion against the consumerist circle jerk that has overtaken society, especially the internet.
While I agree that 4chan tends to look at things in a more critical (And, sometimes, caustic view), I also feel like that can lead to just a circle jerk over a different point. I think there was a post on /mu/ or something that called it counter-counter culture, where, instead of blindly rejecting 'mainstream' culture, we blindly reject 'counter' culture instead. Also, 4chan does have some pretty consumerist areas, /g/ and /v/ being the most obviously consumerist.
>Ha, you don't have the newest gaymur fuel liquid cooled twenty-seven core extreme blast processing graphics card, what are you, a poorfag?
>>24955917
That has also been around for a while. There's graffiti in Pompeii with ancient romans bragging about banging chicks, or calling each other dickheads. Of course, everything's a lot more amplified now, and everyone's given a voice somewhere. However, if it makes you feel better, the people posting selfies and constantly talking about their day are, for the most part, getting the same attention as that graffiti did. It's not like the world suddenly cares about what some bitch did to her face recently. There's always been people shouting into a void, anon. We're just able to record and archive it better.
>>24955521
the fact that you can't prove something exist is a proff of its non-existence
>>24955998
No doubt 4chan is reactionary in general, but that's better than the alternative of being absorbed by everything else.
Also, even /v/, a board dedicated to a consumer product, is always critical of shilling. As proof, I refer you to the 3.3 million meme, the general skepticism of kickstarter (read kikestarter), and how quick they are to correctly identify meme games.
>>24955924
japanese culture is western culture
>>24956043
It could also means that humanity's technology isn't advanced enough to prove it either way. Do you believe there is absolutely zero possibility of aliens just because we can't spot any in our (relative) immediate vicinity?
>>24956078
the bushido code started in hungary?
>>24955776
>Sure, you had fresh food, good beer, and a communal lifestyle with friends and family unless you were the lowest of the low, but then, wouldn't you just be 'consuming' like you would be now
This sounds better than the form of consumption we have today. At least there wasn't an aggressive system of marketing working to render people as infantile as possible.
>I know. And I enjoy the thinkers of that era like Aquinas, but the majority of the population didn't get to experience that.
I'd imagine the general population doesn't experience anything like that today. The closest they probably get is the occasional popular science article, and they likely aren't educated enough to understand it at even a slightly deeper level. Most contemporary philosophy is far too dense for most to read, and the field requires formal training to meaningfully engage with it. As far as philosophy is concerned, the average person is at best only familiar with a few of Nietzsche's aphorisms.
>>24955980
CAT'S FOOT
IRON CLAW
NEURO-SURGEONS SCREAM FOR MORE
AT PARANOIA'S POISON DOOR
21ST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN
>>24956043
No it's just proof that anyone claiming to have proof is an idiot
>>24956078
No it isn't. What are you talking about?
So do you anons in here think you were born in le wrong generation?
>>24956099
no but our cherished cartoon shows wouldn't exist without the influence of our disposable western capitalist mcdonalds culture
>muh Benoist
>muh Evola
>muh Guenon
fuck off, I'll carry on with my hedonistic lifestyle
>>24956134
this
I'll laughing my way to the grave
>>24956114
Good meme friend, you sure showed them.
>>24955161
88% of shooting
>>24956114
no I think every generation is pretty shitty
>>24956114
I wish I was born somewhere in central Europe in the year 1900
>>24956127
That's a chain of development that extends to pre-historic times. Everything has a prerequisite or influence. Anime and American animated started diverging to an extreme degree in the 60s.
>>24956069
Eh, point taken. I don't visit /v/ much, I thought it was pretty heavy on shilling? But then again, I'm assuming they did make that 'premium shit' image macro, so they're probably not too bad.
>mfw undertale is actually a good game
But yeah, I guess I feel that. I'd also suggest that people are growing a bit more critical too. Even on tumblr, I've seen people cringe at obvious pandering in that shitty Avengers sequel. I dunno, I don't know what the world as a whole is thinking.
>>24956107
>
This sounds better than the form of consumption we have today. At least there wasn't an aggressive system of marketing working to render people as infantile as possible.
Of course there wasn't an aggressive system of marketing. Their marketing was, 'we're the only people who brew beer and bake bread, eat it or have none'. In a bigger world, aggressive marketing is just how it has to work to obtain any coverage. Barring hole in the wall places, local clubs, and local craft breweries, of course.
>I'd imagine the general population doesn't experience anything like that today.
True, but they also have greater access to it, which is a nice first step. The second step is getting them to want it outside of NDT worship.
>>24955283
This. The worst type of people are those who said they binged an entire season on Netflix over the weekend. They are commonly boring and their humor and actions derive from tv shows.
>>24956167
So you could be shamed into going to fight at the age of 14 to die in a trench?
>>24956191
yes precisely lol
>le born in the wrong generation look at me misinterpret things and attatch even more significance than those silly normies do because I'm such a robot xD
>>24955107
oh hey guize just joined twitter and was "literaly" born last week sup mah babby niggaz?? ahahahah fucking hell
>>24954607
I bet you're the same kind of faggot that seriously, ironically says that texting and the digital age killed social interactions.
>>24955334
Sports sure, but one day the old people will die and the new generation will still be the netflix users
>Greedo shot first
Nobody in the history of the world ever said this except George Lucas himself.
>>24956222
Even 40 year olds have trouble with the internet. TV has the 70's babies until the die
>>24955924
Aren't you the philosopher. Truly we should all be looking up to your wisdom.
Anyone else avoid ads as much as possible? If I have a TV on for some reason (which I hardly ever do) and an ad comes on I will mute the audio and look away. It feels like the ads poison your mind. It's disgusting and unethical.
>>24956224
who gives a fuck
it was a minor detail changed so that the hero looks more heroic
![[Vivid-Taku] Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka S2 - 01 [AE6CAFCA].mkv_snapshot_06.55_[2015.10.14_07.56.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aKy0rs6.jpg "[Vivid-Taku] Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka S2 - 01 [AE6CAFCA].mkv_snapshot_06.55_[2015.10.14_07.56.28].jpg")
>>24956244
There are more things in anime and manga, Anon,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
>be so much of a loser that you develop cognitive dissonance over watching and enjoying a movie with your peers, chalking it up to letting yourself being controlled by Jews
Fucking kek, aren't you guys some free thinkers
i can probably bet that most of you are college drop outs, or mediocre students that couldn't go to Ivy Leagues, or even a fucking UC. I wouldn't be surprised if most of you were high-schoolers.
I'm a ChemEng student at Cal Tech with a literal 137 IQ, here. I'll keep enjoying this "shallow" lifestyle of communicating and taking part in activities with my human peers. I'm sure moping around on an imageboard, playing vidya, and watching anime are much more noble hobbies.
>>24956281
Not him but the problem isn't who shot first it's the fact that the edited scene looks like complete shit. It's like a fucking youtube edit.
>>24954607
>"I have a personality, I swear!"
>supports fascism and capitalism like the sheep they are
Good goys.
>>24956360
>fascism is bad
Good goy.
>>24956134
>>24956148
Sounds like Evola is right up your alley:
>This idea was summed up in the title of the book, the Tantric metaphor of "Riding the Tiger" which in general practice, consisted of turning things that were considered inhibitory to spiritual progress by mainstream Brahmanical society, for example, meat, alcohol, and in very rare circumstances, sex, were all employed by Tantric practitioners into a means of spiritual transcendence. The process that Evola described involved potentially making use of everything from modern music, hallucinogenic drugs, relationships with the opposite sex, and even substituting the atmosphere of an urban existence for the Theophany that Traditionalists had identified in virgin nature.
>>24956176
>In a bigger world, aggressive marketing is just how it has to work to obtain any coverage.
This goes without saying, but the effect of this marketing has been horrific.
> The second step is getting them to want it outside of NDT worship.
That's the most a significant amount of people can strive for. Most don't have the time, resources, or intelligence to meaningfully engage with intellectual fields.
>>24956337
Actually I didn't even go to high school.
>>24956337
>engineer meme
>uni is all that matters meme
>iq matters/means anything meme
This is some nice bait.
>>24956337
>being a mindless consumer
>wasting your "intellect"
>believing the meme that interaction with others can be fulfilling
Enjoy your meaningless consumer life that no one will miss.
I'll be over here chasing academic endeavors, learning as much as I can and appreciating and creating beautiful art.
>>24956371
By definition, fascism is taking tax money and giving it to the private companies, also known as the Jews.
>>24955313
If happiness consisted in the pleasures of the body, we should call oxen happy whenever they come across bitter vetch to eat.
>>24956394
>IQ is a meme
Brainlet detected
>>24956395
>chasing academic endeavors
I've done more research and published more papers than you have in your entire life, and I'm barely a sophomore. Do you think engineering students don't do anything, aside from internships and classes? I'm currently looking into twistor theory, but I'm going almost nowhere with it, admittingly.
>>24956264
That's why l torrent
>>24955521
>DURR WE CAN'T PROVE THAT UNICORNS DON'T EXIST SO IT'S FUCKING ***DUMB AND FUCK*** (!!! F U C K !!!) TO SAY THAT UNICORNS DON'T EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK HOW SMART I AM I AM AGNOSTIC
You believe in a thing when you have evidence or argument for it. You don't say "uhh well maaaannnn you, like, can't knooooowwww, maaannnnn, it's, like, mysterious and stuff, maaaaaaaaaaaan."
Agnostics: the dumpsters of humanity.
>>24956447
At 12 l got diagnosed with 121 l.Q, the top 7% for kids my age in lreland and l'm really fucking stupid so ya, l.Q means shite all
>>24954607
>implying that Religion wasn't the same shit
>>24956407
Who's definition is this?
>>24956069
>Also, even /v/, a board dedicated to a consumer product, is always critical of shilling.
/mu/ is considered a bastion of hipster taste, yet they readily ate up the poptimism fad.
>>24956497
It's from some textbook I read in high school.
>>24955450
>Fictional characters will become our leaders
I don't remember exactly, but wasn't big brother a character and not a real person?
>>24956377
I admit it's been pretty bad, but... Man, I'm just wondering exacty how to make the world a better place while maintaining the same size and scale?
And, I agree with that. Ultimately, it's the best we can do, if we can do it. I do hope I've been raising good points over the course of this thread. I mean, no one has called me a kek yet, so I guess I'm doing good?
>>24956469
I literally already said this to him and he agreed. Your default position should be disbelief
Lurk moar faggot
>>24955521
Do you realize how stupid you sound right now?
You can't disprove that there is no invisible snake slithering around your room that doesn't make sounds or disturbances in your reality, but he's there! Are you "LOL AGNOSTIC" about that proposition, too? It has just the same amount of evidence that some entity called "god" does.
Learn something about unfalsifiable claims and philosophy before you go around the internet acting tough. Of course you cannot absolutely prove that an invisible snake doesn't exist in your room, nor can you prove that god absolutely does not exist. But there is zero evidence for either one, and the likelihood of it being true is so infinitesimally small that, for all intents and purposes, one can say "I am pretty damn sure that god does not exist." Yes, there will always be that (0.00000000000000000000000000001^9999999) chance that an invisible snake exists in your room that you can't touch or hear, but if you go around telling people "lol dude, you just can't be sure about these things," everyone is going to call you a fucking idiot retard (as they should).
>>24956583
Nah, he misread you and then you misread him. You are talking past one another. His "point" matches nothing with yours.
>>24956589
>Yes, there will always be that (0.00000000000000000000000000001^9999999) chance that an invisible snake exists in your room that you can't touch or hear, but if you go around telling people "lol dude, you just can't be sure about these things," everyone is going to call you a fucking idiot retard (as they should).
I know of a person who did this once, in a way. He was sitting in his history class and they were talking about the holocaust, and he reminded them that there are only sources we can examine to remember the holocaust, but no one in the room actually could prove, without a doubt, the holocaust actually happened. He stirred up a lot of hate from some Jewesses.
>>24956497
>>Also, even /v/, a board dedicated to a consumer product, is always critical of shilling.
This. /v/ shits on games as hard as they can. Where the fuck does this consumer sheep meme come from?
>>24956597
Okay I'll explain it to you.
>Gnostic atheist - we know for certain god does not exist
>gnostic theist - we know for certain god exists
His original post says these two positions are retarded as shit, because you cannot know for sure.
>agonist theist - we don't know if God exists but I believe in him anyway
Both my reply and his reply pointed out how retarded this is because your default position should be doubt unless evidence is provided
>agnostic atheist - we don't know if God exists so i will not believe in him
This is the position we agreed on
>>24956620
Rofl, what is the point of even saying that in a classroom setting? What was he trying to accomplish?
>>24954607
> strokes neckbeard
Fuck off with this sudointellectal BS. People aren't allowed to be excited for shit?
>gif unrelated
>>24954607
I don't But star wars is truly so much overhyped, overrated, overpraised that i can't stand it. I jsut a fucking cosmic fairy tale. WTF wrong with you people. It may be cool for 13 year old but wtf the rest sees in this shit idk man. Is Harry Potter tier and in HP there are better movies than in of the SW. And this fucking furry friend wookie is fucking annoying as fuck. Fuck it.
>>24956669
>His original post says these two positions are retarded as shit, because you cannot know for sure.
Don't pontificate to me; I know these gay meme labels already. They don't slightly impact anything that I am saying. Are you saying a "gnostic anti-invisible-snakeist" is "FUCKING RETARDED AS SHIT, because YOU CANNOT KNOW FOR SURE DUDE"????
My point is that you're being a pretentious fucker, as is par for the course for people who are self-styled "agnostics" or "agnostic atheists". For all but the most pretentious, stringent arguments, you can say that you know god does not exist because there is no argument and not one piece of valid evidence suggesting that god does exist. The only people who will get on your case for saying you know god doesn't exist are the same types of people who get on your case for saying you know that you exist. In other words, they are solipsists. "Solipsism" is considered a dirty word in philosophy for a reason, and any argument that results in solipsism as its end point is regarded with scrutiny and suspicion because of the centuries of work that have gone into debunking that view.
>all these fat manchildren ITT thinking they are better than everyone else
Never gets old
>>24956744
Are you 14?
Jesus christ, go do your grammar homework kid.
>>24956780
/r9k/ has gone to shit, it's all just unironic fedora tipping
>>24956762
You can fuck right off kid. You are the reason for the rise of the fedora atheist boogeyman. It's anti-intellectual to definitely say there is no God beyond a shadow of a doubt. You are retarded and just as bad as fundy nutjobs.
>>24956780
If anything, I think I'm much worse than them. that doesn't mean they're above criticism.
>>24956840
>It's anti-intellectual to definitely say there is no God beyond a shadow of a doubt
Which is the reason I never said that. You're having a troubling time with reading comprehension. You should go cool off some steam, it's obvious that I enraged you after I outed you as a pretentious dick sucker who doesn't actually know anything about philosophy or argument.
>>24955331
Arguably not. Hedonism is the core of all philosophy, everyone looks for some kind of pleasure or another.
>>24955617
The meaning of the word "marxism" has changed heavily anon
Karl Marx would cringe at todays marxists.
>mfw December 17th comes around and the film is a huge disappointment
>>24956954
In what ways is it different today?
>>24956840
There's a difference between saying there is no god and there is no theistic god. Most atheists I've talked to agreed that if god exists it's most like that he is deistic or something like that, though at that point there's not much reason to care. However, you can look at claims of the christian god, for example, and see how logical it is to believe in him. At this point, if there is not sufficent evidence, it's not anti-intellectual to believe without a doubt that the christian god doesn't exist.
For example say one god's book says the earth is flat, we could safely say that this is a bunch of bullshit because we know for a fact that it isn't.
>>24956894
No this is literally what you posted about so I'm going to assume you're just shitposting
>>24957003
Doesn't matter what kind of God it is, saying you know for certain it does not exist is both wrong intellectually and philosophically
>>24957003
Great and sensible reply. Thanks for backing me up. I wouldn't bother though, because apparently this person thinks that being gnostic about your position that an invisible snake doesn't exist in your room is "FUCKING RETARDED". I don't think you will ever reach him, he is too far propped-upon his high horse of "YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY, REALLY, LITERALLY KNOW ANYTHING FOR REAL!!! ALL OF YOU ARE SO STUPID TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW THINGS! I AM THE ONLY TRUE SMART PERSON HERE BECAUSE I AM SMART ENOUGH TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THINGS FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!"
Like I said, this is par for the course for self-styled "agnostics", which is the main reason nobody likes them.
>>24957044
Alright you smarmy fucker, why don't you go ahead and prove that you exist right now?
>>24954607
>who else loathes modernity
not women, people of colour, disabled people, LGBTQ people, or anyone who enjoyed living past the age of 6 months due to polio vaccines
>>24957078
roasted toasted and possible ghosted/10
>>24955314
Westerns lasted about forty years before they petered out, I don't know if superhero movies are more sustainable than that because the budgets/expected profits are spiralling ever higher,
>>24955341
You aren't even allowed to die these days, If you actually tried to take that option you would get locked up.
>>24957118
Descartes's Cogito has been thoroughly debunked, most notably by Kierkegaard.
>>24957044
It's really not though, if someone told you the earth is only ~100 years old because you never saw anyone over 100 so it must be, would you be agnostic about not believing him?
We have evidence that this guy is full of shit, so there's nothing wrong with stating with certainty that he's wrong. Likewise if a certain religion is so out of touch with reality what's wrong with believing, without a doubt, that it's bullshit? Is it just because god?
I predict that within the next few decades the internet gives way to a new sort of spirituality which is still secular but not nihilistic. A new sort of atheism which would be considered spiritual today.
Watch it happen, I swear to god it will
>>24957115
Also 80's music, while now it's nostalgically charming, there was an insane influx of nothing but synthcrap through out that decade. Mainstream music these days is actually much more diverse
>>24954988
>forced memes
Icwudt
>>24957143
Can you give me a basic rundown of that?
>>24957155
Yeah but religions have much more wiggle room with their claims. Such as the earth being flat. Maybe God put that in the book to test our faith. Dumb I know but still.
>>24956840
I'm just random anon lurking this thread but I've gotta say I agree with you m8
>>24957115
The greatest westerns are among the greatest films ever made. I'm not sure if the same will every be true for these.
>>24957095
>people of colour
They were better off before modernity was forced upon them.
>>24955296
>type 2084 into youtube
>one of the first results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA
/pol/ literally is everywhere.
>>24957257
>before modernity was forced upon them
Technically yeah, like when they lived the way they wanted to pre-16th centurybut in the last few centuries after the polio vaccine was created, no they were not better off than they are now
>white female sitting as far away as possible from the nigger
>bwc keking asian bois
kek
>>24955765
But it's fun if you're good at it.
>>24954791
>homogenized cultural marxist wastelands
stopped reading there
clearly a fucking subhuman who takes what he reads on the internet serious
this is all capitalism at work, my friend
>>24956264
Same, it just makes me sick seeing all that brainwash. I also avoid any kind of media I don't like. Like I haven't seen a trailer for the new star wars. If I don't like it, it feels like poison to me and I don't want to ingest it.
>>24957210
God doesn't need to test us like that because he knows how we are going to react. So either god isn't all-knowing, or wants certain people in hell(because he knew they'd fail his test but still gave it to them anyway.) People will say "muh freewill" but satan knows of god's existent, yet has free will so that argument is bullshit.
We can keep following this line of thought, but we keep getting a god much more different than that of the bible. At this point, if this god exists, is it even the god people believe in? Either way its pretty safe to say this god doesn't exist
>>24955765
>high culture is bourgeois
confirmed for never having actually read the frankfurt school. good job buying into bullshit infographics and youtube videos about them. they quite clearly state that high culture and art is being eroded due to capitalism, and they oppose capitalism on these grounds. the frankfurt school was the enemy of "popular culture" and advocates of "high culture".
>>24954968
Universities and high schools have been pumping out societal engineering for a solid 60 years now.
The basis of that is Sociology(TM), and pretty much the entirety of modern Sociology is predicated upon Conflict Theory, developed by Marx.
>>24955038
there's an inverse correlation between material wealth and religiosity in all but exceptional cases.
that people seek to have religious experiences in fiction instead of religion is no surprise.
that fiction and art generally is commercialized trash under capitalism is no surprise either.
>>24957442
>All that bullshit
What does share of wealth have to do with your well-being? If you have a million dollars and somebody else has a billion, that doesn't make you any poorer. Unlike what your commie friends tell you it's not the rich people taking away your share of the pay, but rich people making the whole larger. In the 60s the middle class according to you statistic had higher wages, yet in the 60s it was luxurious to own a TV, something like todays PCs or Smartphones was unthinkable. The poorest people of today's society have more luxury than the top 1% a couple of decades ago.
Also to your narrative that his is capitalisms fault: Everything in the US was better just a few decades ago according to your statistics (you compare wages to the 60s and 70s, media conglomerates to the 80s, etc.) when the US was more capitalist than it is today. We have more nanny state interventions, more barriers to entry set up by governments, more regulations, closer ties of companies to the government, etc. This is not capitalism, but the slow and steady influence of Socialism.
I used to be this /r9k/. Eventually you'll realize that refusing cultural consumption on principle doesn't make you a good person, just as select consumption has little bearing on worth or character. Keep busy and build a life you enjoy. It's later than you think.
>there are literally thousands of videos of random goobers reacting to every single star wars trailer
>families whore their children and pets out in these videos for views just so that they can keep the attention flowing
Fuck what happened to youtube, there are no more low quality videos made with heart and soul. It's just normies being fake on camera with dozens of jump cuts talking about inane garbage
I'm an angry bitter old cunt as well, and I hope that movie turns to ashes in the mouths of those fans, but I'm not enough of a fag to pretend that my stance is morally superior.
>>24957968
>I'm an angry bitter old cunt as well, and I hope that movie turns to ashes in the mouths of those fans
Me too but I don't think it'll happen. There are people who really genuinely liked the prequels, the bar is so astonishingly low there's no way it'll fail in any sense.
>>24957842
People have televisions and cell phones, but eat garbage and can't afford houses, university, cars, or medication. Goods are now comparatively cheap. Upward mobility is less attainable than it was for our parents.
>>24958006
Well, maybe like old people who liked shitty movies they'll be punished once they try to share their good ol Star Wars movie with their progeny and are rejected.
>>24957842
>poorest people have more luxury
By corollary that means we have fewer needs met.
>they don't have potatoes
>well at least they can buy cake
>>24955107
>watch father going into liquor store with his like 6 year old son
>dad my game (or whatever) isn't downloading (on his phone)
>you have to connect it to my tether
>it is
>here (being pissy) just give me it
Normalfags. My mother actually talked to me as a child. I mean look how we turned out, but parents shouldn't be such garbage adults.
>>24957963
>>there are literally thousands of videos of random goobers reacting to every single star wars trailer
and the new tmt trailer
fucking sakes
>>24958206
Your parents probably wanted to have a kid, normies have kids because contraceptives aren't 100% effective.
>>24958045
> eat garbage
Because they want to. Fast food is not that much cheaper than just buying some fruit or veggies. Just buying potatoes en masse is probably the cheapest food you can buy in the long term.
>can't afford houses
If you want to live in a big city this is probably true, but out in the country houses are relatively affordable. Also there is nothing wrong with living in a rented apartment for a few years and saving up for your own house
>university
University is not really necessary: trade schools often times are a better choice and you can find everything you learn in a university class online if you really want to. And if you are truly passionate about a topic and really want to study, taking out a loan might seem be worth it, but not every 18 year old should go to college and not every subject is worth the price of admission tbqh. There are also decent community colleges that actually take their curriculum almost one for one from bigger private institutions.
>cars
Used cars are actually ridiculously cheap
>medication
If you are uninsured that might be an issue, but I don't even know if the price of medication was cheaper in previous generations. I would assume that "regular" medicine (i.e. cough syrup or aspirin) costs about as much as it always has, but medicine that is more experimental costs more (higher research cost, development cost not yet payed off, etc.)
>Upward mobility is less attainable than it was for our parents.
That would be very hard to prove with any statistic, since you make predictions about the future (we will on average not be able to achieve a better live than now) and compare it to the past (our parents had more upward mobility). If anything I would assume, that the internet has given an entire generation a tool to get rich from their basement.
>>24958139
Except that cake costs more than potatoes. If you decide to not buy potatoes in favor of cakes, that is you being retarded not the system being evil.
>>24957257
>The greatest westerns are among the greatest films ever made. I'm not sure if the same will every be true for these.
A few are legitimately good movies and the first Avengers will be remembered if only for being the first of its kind. The netflix shows are also very high quality, but I'm guessing Jessica Jones will be most likely to be remembered.
>>24955792
And that's what "they" want - less of us.
Gotta have some form of religion.
>>24957442
You realize the top 1% of the world is basically every developed nation, especially the US, right?
>>24955928
>m-maybe there's hope for the tv show
pfft. it's going to be shit. it will be made much more in the style of JJ Trek than good Trek
>>24955435
LSD or Mushrooms.
Put on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rhi1cruv8
Enjoy seeing God around minutes 9-14.
>>24958400
>if poor people weren't so stupid they wouldn't be poor
There's an element of truth in making responsible choices, but part of what keeps people in poverty is skill sets and knowledge withheld for the perpetuation of a docile underclass.
Irt medication, my comments were a reflection of uninsured parties with medical needs. For my own part, I'm supposed to be taking a medication that costs roughly half my month wage. I opted out of benefits at work because the cost would still be too great. Part of the problem is that there's no generic on the market yet, but the reality is that I can either take my meds and eat potatoes in a slum or take a shitty alternative that costs a twentieth of the price while paying for real food and housing without black mold and bedbugs.
Who the fuck would wear a Greedo shot first shirt what the fuck is that nigger's problem.
>>24956220
it did you fucking retard
>>24957558
Fucking this. If anything, the Frankfurt wing of early 20th century Neo-Marxists get criticized for being elitist, for painting all pop-culture as a tool for capitalist domination (hence ignoring its subversive qualities).
The difference between this school of thought and other strands which use Marx as a point of departure is that they focus on culture rather than labor as a creator and perpetrator of false consciousness and inequality.
Jesus Christ, it feels like no one bothers to read up on Marx or Sociology because tumblrtards have tried to muscle in on these fields.
>>24958916
>Who the fuck would wear a Greedo shot first shirt
Lucas
Who /OutOfTouch/ here? The only movies made in the last ten years that I've seen are The Wolf of Wall Street and Jackass 3.
>>24954732
> ever growing
only part of that that's not true - there's always been a ton of bad comedy and action movies coming out of Hollywood.
>>24954791
>only way to reelayte to some1 is to share consumpshun tastess
nah mane
that's your choice
anyone else find it ironic that neo marxists actually help capitalists because of their tireless crusade to import hundreds of thousands of cheap workers?
>>24956929
> Hedonism is the core of all philosophy
it's not the core of anything other than hedonist philosophy you fucking idiot
>>24954607
I'm fucking tired of seeing Star Wars everywhere.
I hope the movie bombs to see the asshurt.
>>24958691
this
most communists these days are ironically driven by greed, they want a slice of Trump and Buffet pie, not realising that in a true global communist society they would likely be worse off than they are now.
Chasing money is a fools game. All you need in life is a wife and children, and a roof to shelter them and food to feed them. All this chasing flashy cars and expensive tech will be the death of us, both spiritually and physically.
>>24955667
cultural marxism is just traditional marxism applied to different concepts, anon. whereas traditional marxism sees the root of inequality in wealth and ownership, cultural marxism sees the roots of inequality within "culturalal" concepts like race, religion, even language.
ergo, instead of pushing for wealth equality a la traditional marxism, cultural marxism pushes for cultural equality. through the homogenization of culture and the destruction of oppressive upper classes like white people and Christianity.
>>24960635
actual marxists seem to consistently fail to understand that cultural marxism is a perversion of marxist theory, rather than a direct application of it. It's funny how defensive and upset they get whenever someone mentions "cultural marxism".
>>24960535
>all you need in life is a wife and children
anon I...
I honestly think most bodies walking around, "living" are not human beings, they're soulless animals. Even most religious people don't have a spark of genuine spirit in them, be they orthodox Christians or heterodox neopagans, they seldom ever have a true initiated belief. Like insects they are just a nervous system, devoid of genuine intelligence and they react to stimuli predictably like insects. Insult them, and they get angry, show them a nice body and they ogle it mindlessly, put a plate of greasy food in front of them and they drool. They don't have within them a will, an ability to make actual decisions, they just respond to stimuli accordingly and are unable to question it.
Murder is not a heinous act. You cannot kill a true spirit, someone with a soul and a will. Their demon will live on. Likewise you cannot kill the aforementioned automatons, for they are already dead and living in hell.
What bothers me about this, is how people are buying tickets in advance to see this film. Like its a life turning event. It's a fucking sequel to a series that should be left to a dignified end.
I remember as a kid we could go to a movie theater and buy tickets to a movie without ever knowing anything about the movie and 9/10 the movie would be worth watching and 3/10 the movie was be awesome. I'm not even a pretentious hipster art house movie faggot, even the action films suck these days.
You can't do that anymore, because Hollywood puts out shitty sequel after sequel or a rehashed of a rehash shitty comic book movie or a movie based on a shitty 70's tv show that was never great to begin with in a token attempt to appeal to "nostalgia". So you HAVE to research a film to make sure its worth spending the over inflated ticket prices.
But it doesn't matter because as been said before, the normies lap this shit up and ask for more. Its easier to cater to the lowest common denominator with a steady and secure flow of cash. But it really is something out of Brave new world.
The last good film I saw that was out of the blue was Night Crawler.
>>24960801
>being a solipsist
there are people who likely say the exact same of you when they pass you in the street.
>>24954607
I'm gonna get drunk off my ass and go see it, I figure it's gonna be shit but whatever.
>>24954607
well you might say the originals that they have an emotional bond to weren't the focus grouped products of today, but anyone who was an original fan probably isn't looking forward to any new star wars.
>>24956539
It's not important, and never revealed
star wars isn't even a 21st century phenomenon and cinema is part of american culture
>>24961100
People said similar things about those movies at them time, and they were right then as they are now.
>>24960883
naming yourself after a mobile suit from a shitty alternative universe of a good series.
>>24961011
speak for yourself, faggot kid
>>24955392
>tfw Fundation is the superior space opera but is still disregarded even by special snowflakes
it annoys me to no end
