Does a Redpill Level 4 exist?
Getting women pregnant and abandoning them.
>>24942120
>tips fedora
Yes society is biased towards women but they are naturally weak and dumb as fuck, its only fair desu
Yeah, Eliot Rodger
>>24942120
I guess Red Pill Level 4 would be ultimate wisdom, the realization that the reason why women are allowed to be parasites in the first place is because of social developments that started in the Enlightenment. The realization that the rejection of God as well as the delusion of equality (as in real equality, rather than mere equality before the law) are responsible for all the woes of society.
Red pill level 4 would lead to a sort of traditionalist Republicanism. But not the traditionalism of modern day politicians, the kind who want to go back to "muh old values" but don't have the guts to push for shit like sending women back to the kitchen. I mean real, gritty, back to basics traditionalism. The kind that wants to erase what happened in the past hundred years, that wants to subjugate men to women once more and emphasize Greek logic in education over feelings and privileges.
Red Pill level 4 is Classical Liberalism, with an emphasis on Classical.
>You will never live in a true Republic where representatives are more important than political parties and women cannot vote
The trend I see in the progression of the red pill is that each time it puts what was learned at the previous level in a broader context. Red pill level 1 reveals the truth about gender relations. Level 2 relates the origin of gender relations to female nature. Level 3 expands on female nature with evolutionary psychology. Level 4 explains that female nature, while immutable, could only be unchained because literally millenia of woman-proofing civilization has collapsed.
>>24942120
The black pill and hard determinism.
>>24944175
>its only fair
It's only fair when they don't have equal rights.
>>24944175
>tips fedora
Atheism, lolwut?
It baffles me how you really have managed to convince yourself that this is truth and that the embracing of it is wisdom.
Ironically, this whole thing is passive aggressive as fuck, and is an argumentative style you'd expect from a woman especially because all of it is you playing the victim card. This whole thing is an expression of negative emotions towards the other gender. I'm sorry your mom is a bitch. I'm sorry you choose to associate with shallow sluts. I'm sorry that you're incapable of separating shitty women from all women, but you're too fulled by emotions to realize this is all a gigantic defense mechanism to defend against your hurt feelings.
No one is keeping you from being a man beyond your own mediocrity. Take some fucking responsibility for yourself.
>>24944755
>Can't argue a single point made
>"YOU'RE NOT A REAL MAN"
Roasties.
LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH
>>24944798
You never made any points.
>>24944755
>This whole thing is an expression of negative emotions towards the other gender
>>24945812
Well good. You're almost there. Now that you've admitted that you're sharing your "emotions" will you admit that this entire thing is the expression of emotions and not rational thought?
>>24944823
The points are on the OP, and you can't refute them.
that everyone (yes, men and women) are inherently selfish and the only reason most men pretend not to be is because it is bred out of them via societal induced guilt.
that if you can read this message 99.9999% chance you don't have any real limitations or problems that aren't easily overcome with minor effort
that you aren't a victim because people are slightly nicer to women (neither are they)
that you aren't a victim
that you aren't a victim
that you aren't a victim and none of this matters
>>24945941
I agree with half of the OP image, the other half is bullshit and cringe worthy
>>24945989
this desu
>>24945941
>Asking me to refute some random image you posted that holds absolutely no credibility or sources for any of its claims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29
Anyway, this kind of sums up the entire image. You cherry pick small patterns in genders over a small period of time and then extrapolate them to the entire gender and over a large period of time. You give lack of consideration for anything positive females have done while simultaneously ignoring all the negative things males have done.
You pick what you want to believe while ignoring the big picture. Honestly, I don't understand it at all. I'm a male and I feel great. I don't think females are at all intruding on my masculinity. Then again, I choose not to associate with those who would because I'm not some passive aggressive shithead who takes no responsibility for the situations in his life.
You're like that angry kid playing video games getting pissed at his teammates. Instead of trying to cultivate positivity and teamwork, you insist on being a little shit and blaming others.
>>24945887
>Emotions can't be expressed at the same time as rational thought.
Ha.
>>24945887
>Now that you've admitted that you're sharing your "emotions"
Nobody has admitted anything of that sort, illogicanon. I bet you're a cunt.
>>24942120
>skimmed it
Probably the thing that pisses me off the most about feminism is none of them will come close to admitting that traditional gender roles exist solely because women want them. Including feminist women.
How many men out there wish women would make the first move more? That women would take as much initiative as guys? That women would just step up and treat us like equals? A lot.
On the other hand, how many women, feminist or otherwise, would even consider approaching a man and asking him out on a date? Almost none.
Goes for other gender roles too. Men didn't become the provider to oppress women, they became the provider because women wanted to be with providers. We paid for dates because women wanted us to.
I'm not saying women don't have any issues, but their whole interpretation of gender roles is backwards.
>>24944459
>the rejection of God
Yeah because everything was perfect when the Church was in charge right?
>>24946138
>You cherry pick small patterns in genders over a small period of time
Women didn't change a bit. We can extrapolate and deduct pretty well. Women are parasitic life forms and will remain parasitic life forms.
>>24946164
Your image did. I figured you had nothing to say, so you let someone else say it for you.
>I bet you're a cunt
You sure do resort to ad hominem quite a lot. My claim is that it's because you're angry right now. Anger is an emotion, anon.
If you weren't such a partisan little shit you'd probably come to realize that I agree with you on a lot of things. I just don't see the point in whining about it anonymously on the internet about it or why I shouldn't have hopes for change in a universe that is constantly doing exactly that.
>>24946239
>Your image did.
No image did.
>You sure do resort to ad hominem
That was not an adhom.
>>24946239
>If you weren't such a partisan little shit you'd probably come to realize that I agree with you on a lot of things.
That was my first post. I have no clue where we agree or not.
>>24946202
The irony in your post literally cherry picking half a sentence of my post kills me.
Hell, your fucking image itself is a fucking example of cherry picking. You sure are one ironic mess.
>>24944755
desu it's a whole class of people, male and female. If a woman is able to employ rational thought and have morals, i'm not going to complain.
If a feminist female is willing to admit to being selfish and demonstrates an understanding of why they are selfish, I can respect it.
If a person is going to pretend that they have a moral high ground and use feelings to back up their statements, trashman.jpg
If you're a male feminist, you're automatically trash; it's irrational. I'd say to call yourself egalitarian or MRA, but you're too dumb to figure it out on your own.
>>24942120
>women are parasitic organisms
The fact that you probably spam NEET threads makes me feel glad I'm not the most autistic, delusional person here.
>>24946265
I was responding to the image in this post:
>>24945812
Middle panel. Honestly, I was just being facetious in response to his choice of reaction image.
Also if you fail to see your own implications behind "I bet you're a cunt" you seriously have yourself fooled. But I doubt you'd ever admit to anything like that.
women are all disgusting empathyless sluts and whores worse than animals and we have thousands of images and anecdotal stories to prove it
>>24946398
>all
>3.6 billion = / = thousands
That being said, one could easily find males doing literally any of the same shit if not worse.
>>24946432
we're waiting, roastie
why do these issues always focus on an individual's sex and not on patterns of behavior?
>>24942120
>[gender relations]Redpill level 4
>Having realized a woman's parasitic nature and the systemic fallout of it, you are able to now use it to your advantage while feeling no negative emotion to women.
>You no longer feel pity, derision, or anger toward them showing their true colors. Simply, it is what it is.
>Should you so choose: you can find a girl, fall in love, and be happy with no cognitive dissonance. Because you will protect yourself in every possible angle, legally and otherwise, every step of the way.
>You also realize that the media's version of love is exaggerated but comes from a very real idea: most people WANT to have a family, are happy with that, and you similarly have evolved to be happy in doing so as well. You as a man have evolved to seek out women.
>Avoidance is the 'flight' of fight-or-flight, a response to a threat. Do you find those 'inferior' to you to be a threat?
>>24946450
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
Enough said.
>>24946364
>Middle panel
That middle panel doesn't admit anything. It only points out a double standard in cunts' thinking.
And you are literally too stupid to realize that you're talking to a macro image which obviously has nothing to do with OP's image.
You're just a cunt and you will always be nothing more than a cunt.
>>24946522
>you can find a girl, fall in love,
You wrapped back around into blue pill, lad. Women can't love.
>>24946522
>>You no longer feel pity, derision, or anger toward them showing their true colors. Simply, it is what it is.
>you can find a girl, fall in love,
how do you love something you consider subhuman and do not respond emotionally to?
serious question, im not a feminist
>>24946432
I think one point is, some individual men are shit but men as a class aren't. While women AS A GROUP abuse their privilege and force traditional gender roles to benefit themselves. Average, ordinary women still insist on men adhering to traditional gender roles. Normal women still treat men like shit and completely disregard their feelings; I first started getting "red-pilled" when I realized that more than half the time I tried dating a woman and she ended up rejecting me, she didn't even bother to tell me. She'd just keep blowing me off or ignoring me until I stopped trying. That's not a few women, that is absolutely common behavior that normal women view as acceptable because they don't think men's feelings matter.
>>24946551
>Women can't love.
That's not true, they love money.
>>24946569
>love money
>>24946569
True, if you were a giant credit card or dollar bill then you could definitely find a loving housewife.
All this polymorphic "redpill" shit really only boils down to the quintessential fact that people naturally tend to serve their own interests. Critical theory is just a tool factions use to vye for cultural primacy whilst concurrently imbuing their ambition with a specious legitimacy. There's nothing you can do about either of these things though, so behave accordingly and don't let anyone subvert your own will against itself. That's literally it.
>>24946540
I don't even understand why you're still going on about that. You're literally choosing to attack my sarcastic comment to a sarcastic image. I seem to have interpreted something different than you. It's so fucking trivial it's unreal. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>24942120
freeing yourself of desire for vag and sex in general is the path to happiness
>>24946588
Giant dollar bill
>>24946202
Does this prove that women ushered in the fall of civilization?
>>24946602
>freeing yourself of desire for vag
If all men did that, it wouldn't end well for women.
>>24946612
Yep, women are nation destroyers at heart. It's best to every woman in chains and subservient to her husband. Can't give any power to the inferior; they'll only abuse it.
>>24942120
It baffles me that men can look at the world, literally run by almost all male politicians, with all major religions being male-worshipping or male-centric and still think "women are parasites and they've crippled us."
It's just completely absurd.
>>24946612
Nearly all modern problems can be traced back to women.
>>24946566
You can't treat the entire female gender as an entire class. It's an extremely diverse population spanning over tons of different cultures and values. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this shows me how self absorbed you are. You're completely unable to consider that people are not like those you come in contact with or what people cherry pick on this board.
You also for whatever reason fail to realize that not all women are feminists. My sister for example is as conservative as any person could get.
>That's not a few women, that is absolutely common behavior that normal women view as acceptable because they don't think men's feelings matter.
That's because a lot of them got hurt by some male. They go hurt a male in revenge and then that male goes to hurt another female in revenge. It's an endless cycle and for whatever reason you will not acknowledge that the world is a fucked up place and everyone is behind a bunch of defense mechanisms to defend against their own emotions. Instead of at least ATTEMPTING to break the cycle of hate and mistrust, you buy into it. It's stupid.
>>24946641
Now this notion is interesting. Pic related demonstrates what happens when a woman perceives full power in a relationship.
>>24946612
And so women infested everything.
>>24946708
Here's a slightly better version.
>>24946637
That's why feminists absolutely despise MGTOW. They fear them. The only thing keeping female privilege and traditional gender roles alive is the fact that men want women much more than women want men, creating an imbalance. If it starts getting to where >10% of men go their own way, that power imbalance starts to crumble. Obviously MGTOWs have no need to treat women differently than they treat men, but with less competition other men don't either. Once enough men GTOW, once the imbalance is gone, traditional gender roles disappear and with them the female privilege that feminists fight so hard to protect. It's similar to why feminism used to be so anti-porn and anti-stripper, and is still pretty anti-prostitution (and still anti-porn to an extent, especially anti-kink)
Feminists laugh at the TradCon Return of Kings types, they hate MRAs, but they definitely fear MGTOW the most. Because MGTOW is what would truly destroy feminism
>>24946641
Why cuntified societies will fail.
>>24946734
>That's why feminists absolutely despise MGTOW. They fear them.
>>24946734
Kek, women (or feminists) don't fear MGTOW. Their only posts on the subject that I've seen is "good, they need to leave us alone."
>>24946734
>The only thing keeping female privilege and traditional gender roles alive is the fact that men want women much more than women want men, creating an imbalance.
Giving women equal rights = Erosion of a society.
Yes, and it's traditionalism.
>>24946695
This has nothing to do with feminism. Non-feminist women support these gender roles and double-standards as much as feminist women. I'd say MAYBE 5% of women support an egalitarian/MRA viewpoint, the other 95% cling to their female privilege.
>That's because a lot of them got hurt by some male.
Boo fucking hoo, they exlusively date dominant aggressive men who objectify women, and then complain when he's dominant and aggressive and objectifies women.
I am treating women as a class, because the vast majority of women share these attributes, or approve of women who do. There are plenty of men who think using women is wrong or treating women like shit is wrong. Where are the women who think forcing men to adhere to traditional gender roles is wrong? Where are the women who think treating men like they don't have feelings is wrong? Easily the majority of women I know think it's acceptable to be a rude piece of shit when rejecting a guy.
The "cycle of hate" happens because women still think they're entitled to special treatment and still object to gender equality. Men do not have the power to break that. Women have all the social power, if they want it to end they can start caring about men half as much as men care about women
>>24946745
Even Queen Victoria knew.
>>24946852
>I'd say MAYBE 5% of women support an egalitarian/MRA viewpoint, the other 95% cling to their female privilege.
I'm sorry. Are you actually retarded enough to believe yourself here? You can't just pull percents out of your ass like that. Again, this whole thing is YOU BEING EMOTIONAL. You are not being rational. You are being emotional. This is all a defense mechanism to defend your emotions.
>Boo fucking hoo
Funny, that's what I think about your frustrations with the other gender.
> they exlusively date dominant aggressive men who objectify women, and then complain when he's dominant and aggressive and objectifies women.
And then you go after Stacey and wonder why she's too preoccupied with Chad to give a shit about someone who literally has no value. I really wonder why she doesn't choose someone who hates her.
>I am treating women as a class, because the vast majority of women share these attributes, or approve of women who do. There are plenty of men who think using women is wrong or treating women like shit is wrong. Where are the women who think forcing men to adhere to traditional gender roles is wrong? Where are the women who think treating men like they don't have feelings is wrong? Easily the majority of women I know think it's acceptable to be a rude piece of shit when rejecting a guy.
Funny. Easily the majority of men I know think it's acceptable to do the exact same thing. OH BOO HOO ALL MEN ARE EVIL!!
>The "cycle of hate" happens because women still think they're entitled to special treatment and still object to gender equality. Men do not have the power to break that. Women have all the social power, if they want it to end they can start caring about men half as much as men care about women
Get the fuck out of here. Women don't have shit for power. Just because you have no personal power, doesn't mean women don't. Grow some fucking nuts. Jesus.
>>24942120
fourth level redpill is acknowledging the fact that all average normie men and robots are just like the women being described by this image.
Both men and women are shit, literally everyone you meet will be like this and only the chosen few that you have selected (because you're a parasite) to survive off of will seem different to you.
Fourth level redpill is accepting that everyone including yourself needs to be purged, that everyone is disgusting, dimwitted and unreasonable.
At the fourth level you realize that women are the way they are because of men. The problem is both sides. What humanity needs is to put an end to males and females and create something new.
A perfect being, one that needs not an other to create a life or obtain happiness.
>>24946695
>You can't treat the entire female gender as an entire class. It's an extremely diverse population spanning over tons of different cultures and values.
It's always funny when people try to defend cunts, using the same arguments that apply to animals and children.
With your retarded arguments you could argue that children should get suffrage.
>>24946695
>You also for whatever reason fail to realize that not all women are feminists.
99% of women are feminists.
>>24946763
True but they would fear attractive men who start to turn away.
Would probably end in a war or something.
Too bad chad is to retarded and selfish for this to ever happen..
>>24946695
>break the cycle
First we abolish feminism, then we can talk about yin and yang.
>>24944175
>Yes society is biased towards women but they are naturally weak and dumb as fuck, its only fair desu
This desu, I actually came to this conclusion a while ago.
>>24946852
>egalitarian/MRA viewpoint
In most cases it's the same shit as feminism.
>>24946863
Hamplanet Victoria
>>24947072
This is stupid. Is like saying all persons is feminist if they are thinking both sex should have rights.
>>24946978
>I'm sorry. Are you actually retarded enough to believe yourself here? You can't just pull percents out of your ass like that.
Only 5% call themselves anti feminist, and by that they probably mean only "anti third wave". So 5% should be the maximum. My guess is that 99.9% of women are feminists.
>>24947167
That's not stupid that literally the definition of feminism.
I am an anti-feminist, I think that women should be disenfranchised.
>>24947198
Maybe is old meaning but feminists this day are big joke. YOu are not under label because you are agreeing with one thing. Is not how it works.
>I think that women should be disenfranchised
I do not understand this.
>>24946180
There's some truth in what you said. Those are just the gender roles they correctly observe but misinterpret. I think there's a lot they claim are backwards from reality too.
>men don't share emotions
>men only want sex
>men can't commit
The last two are just not true, and the first is more about how women react than men.
BTW I'm with these guys >>24945989 >>24946138 and everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to think about and discuss as long as we're here.
>>24947272
>YOu are not under label because you are agreeing with one thing.
Yes you maybe are. If you support Stalin, you're a Stalinist. That's how it works.
>>24947317
I would not ever support Stalin, he was evil person who hurt Russians and many others.
You can be for certain things but against other of group or belief and not be of it.
>>24947198
>that literally the definition of feminism.
That's what feminists claim is the definition. If it's just about rights, though, why is wage gap a feminist issue? Equal pay has been the actual law in every Western country for a long time.
Modern day feminism wants to force cultural shifts that they see as benefitting women, and push affirmative action if people won't do it voluntarily. It also does not care about actual legal rights for men, such as opting out of paternity.
yes. it's picking up a gun and going outside
>>24947642
>That's what feminists claim is the definition. If it's just about rights, though, why is wage gap a feminist issue?
Because feminists want gender equality.
>>24947198
>Republicans freed the slaves
>If you support emancipation, you are a Republican
Dumb fucks.
>>24947316
>The last two are just not true
If they were true, then wouldn't women be the ones asking men out on dates? Wouldn't women be the ones seeking relationships? Instead, for every woman who wants a boyfriend there are 10 men looking for a girlfriend. Misandry and ignorance are the only way feminists can believe such stupid things
>>24946978
>You can't just pull percents out of your ass like that
Simple observation from anybody who's not a fucking retard can tell you that no more than 5% of women support anything close to gender equality. Are you suggesting more than that are willing to ask men out on dates? Are more than that willing to be the one who takes initiative in a relationship? Are more than that as willing to be the breadwinner as they are to date a breadwinner? Of course not, 5% is being generous.
>that's what I think about your frustrations with the other gender.
My boo fucking hoo was referring to the fact that they caused their own problems and could have easily been with any guy they wanted who treated them any way they wanted, but chose not to
> then you go after Stacey
Ah yes, the "women want chad but men only want stacy" meme. No, sorry that's bullshit. Myself and many other men would date the female equivalent of ourselves. I have literally NEVER met a woman who would do the same. Not a single woman who would date a man who is only as assertive as she is, who only takes as much initiative as she does, who is only as rich as she is.
>Women don't have shit for power
Are you fucking retarded women are entirely responsible for the gender roles we have. Who decides that men should pay for dates? Who decides that men should make the first move? Women easily have all the social power, how are you too stupid to see that?
>>24947720
If you support women's suffrage, you're a feminist, get over it. Freeing slaves is not the definition of "being a Republican", whereas gender equality _is_ the definition of feminism.
>>24942120
Why does "Redpill" now refer almost exclusively to feminism/MGTOW stuff when it used to refer to conspiracies and cults?
>>24946734
>They fear them
Retarded and untrue.
>>24947784
It was always a manosphere term.
>>24947784
It still does refer to that, but in /r9k/ when the subject is woman hate, etc. "redpill" means feminism/mgtow shit.
What the redpill is refering to is relative to the topic of the conversation.
>women
>parasite
LOL nigga you gay as fuck if you believe that shit go suck a dick if you hate women that much?
have you ever considered that its you who is the problem rather than telling yourself lies to help justify your loneliness and creepiness
>>24947784
the RedditPill is for beta men who cant get chicks
real red pill exposes jews
>>24947871
>that its you who is the problem
>>24946164
what is happening in that image, anon?
>>24947761
>gender equality _is_ the definition of feminism.
But if that's the case than 90% of people who call themselves "feminists" are not actually feminists. So that's not an accurate definition.
>>24947784
When Matrix came out, feminism was the biggest conspiracy/cult so it got used a lot in feminist discussions. I don't know how old you are, but while a lot of feminists are willing to admit the wage gap is a lie now, when the Matrix came out all feminists claimed that women earned 77% of what men did for the exact same job. I don't think it was until the mid-2000s that mainstream media was even willing to address the issue, so it was a pretty big red pill.
and of course all the other stuff, again 10-15 years ago basically nothing was known about men's issues and nobody was willing to challenge feminism. Then we found out feminist theory has about as much support as creationism, but there was a conspiracy/cult that suppressed any criticism of it. Media couldn't address it, people who brought it up in social circles were shot down, even the President of Harvard, Larry Summers, lost his job for daring to expose their fraudulent beliefs.
In the last 20 years no other conspiracy or cult comes close to what feminism has been. They still have a lot of influence, pic-related is a modern red-pill. Academic feminists still don't consider it "rape" when a woman forces a man to have sex, so all feminist rape statistics and their entire view of rape is based on the idea that men can only be raped if they're sodomized. Not a lot of people know that and feminists sure as hell won't talk about it, so only "red-pilled" people know it.
>>24947871
>you
>male
pick one
>>24947890
>real red pill exposes jews
Jews never got exposed, women get exposed all of the time.
>>24947916
>But if that's the case than 90% of people who call themselves "feminists" are not actually feminists.
How so? Feminism is about equality, 1st, 2nd, 3rd wave. Same shit.
>>24942120
>parasitism
...
>>24947906
I guess it's meant to show you the proper way to "prolapse an asshole" (i believe that to be the right correct way to say that but i could be wrong.)
>>24947948
>how so?
because.... it is so? I don't understand your question. You can argue the "dictionary definition" all you want but it's irrefutable that, regardless of what it SHOULD mean, the vast majority of people who personally identify as "feminist" are anti-equality.
>>24947761
I don't understand how people can say feminism is about equality (either in terms of rights or outcomes). Feminism doesn't popularly take up issues where women are ahead of men (some people who call themselves feminists do, for which we thank them, but most don't). If they do, they are fuzzy cultural things like toxic masculinity, or they remove the gender framing altogether like mental health treatment and stigma.
>education gap
>life expectancy gap
Before you say nothing can be done about the second one, we CAN at least give women a higher social security retirement age or make them pay more into it.
>>24944595
Thought this was a hotdog bun with mustard for a minute.
>>24947761
As there's no fixed and immutable definition of the term "feminism" -- or any other term, for that matter -- it is impossible to claim this. It's all shifting sand. Nothing can be truly known or communicated, all alliances are temporary, all knowledge and language and culture are fleeting and based off of individualized and selfish perspectives
Your copypasta proves nothing
You are alone
Feminism does not exist
Your fictions may bring you temporary comfort, and more power to you for clinging to them
Hold on as tightly as you can
It does not matter
>>24947990
>the vast majority of people who personally identify as "feminist" are anti-equality.
Ahem, what?
>>24942120
>taking a pill
>subscribing to a label
wow, real critical thinking going on here
>>24947906
Someone is searching for the truth.
>>24948068
MGTOW has no subscriptions.
>>24948055
But even that image is not true. Feminists subdivide every issue until they have ones where one gender is clearly ahead of the other, then discard everything except the ones where women are behind. If they wanted equality of outcome, they would want affirmative action for men in academia, not affirmative action only in STEM for women. They would want quotas in family court, quotas in mining and construction, male-only homeless shelters.
>>24948055
>what is affirmative action
>>24948055
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO PERSONALLY IDENTIFY AS FEMINIST ARE ANTI-EQUALITY
I don't know how else to say it. What are you not understanding? As I said the definition maybe you can debate, but there is a set group of people who, if you ask them "are you a feminist?", they will say "yes." And most of those people oppose gender equality. They believe that female victims of DV deserve more help than male victims, that only men can be rapists, that men's problems are irrelevant, that women generally deserve to be treated better than men, that we should maintain rigid gender roles for dating/relationships, that women deserve more empathy than men, etc.
>>24948158
>If they wanted equality of outcome, they would want affirmative action for men in academia
No, they wouldn't. Because they want to achieve a broader equality, for example closing the pay gap (i.e. women earn the same over a life time), and the pay gap is closed best by achieving equality for the highest paying jobs.
>>24948165
>what is affirmative action
Equality.
>>24948168
>And most of those people oppose gender equality. They believe that female victims of DV deserve more help than male victims.
Because men have different bodies. The same applies to sport, even feminists are usually against man-vs-woman tournaments (because bodies are objectively different), but even there some feminists disagree, see pic.
>>24948168
Here you have a better example for different standards regarding DV. But this is also justified by equality, namely that Indian society is too patriarchal and that therefore women deserve preferential treatment = Positive discrimination.
>>24948347
the pay gap is caused by women doing less work, so would be best achieved by giving women a greater sense of responsibility and telling them to do more work. Which feminists don't do. Also caused by men being more assertive etc., which feminists support (never met a feminist that DIDN'T exclusively date more assertive men)
>>24948432
40% of people injured by DV are male. And beyond physical stuff, women have more power to control partners through things like control over the kids or false accusations, etc. Completely ignoring male victims and pretending that only men can be abusive and only women can be victims is purely anti-equality bullshit.
>>24948347
But if they get everything they're fighting for and don't take on any new issues (where men are behind), they will actually be well ahead of men even by their narrow views of which metrics they care about.
>>24948503
>the pay gap is caused by women doing less work
Exactly, that's why closing the pay gap means to force women into work as explained in pic >>24947717
>Completely ignoring male victims and pretending that only men can be abusive and only women can be victims is purely anti-equality bullshit.
That depends purely on your definition of equality and what area you apply it to. If you apply it on a national scale then any preferential treatment of women is justified "because there are still less than 50% CEOs" or similar bullshit.
>>24948377
that's actually encouraging. When sane people hear it put like that, they should be more likely to tell feminists to go fuck themselves
>>24948518
Exactly, they will never stop whining, they will simply claim 100% of CEOs must be female to compensate for the 1000000 years of oppression.... which brings us back to OP.
>>24948632
Yes, people need to become aware that "gender equality" is the same redefined bullshit like "tolerance", "diversity" and "multi culturalism".
>>24948626
>any preferential treatment of women is justified "because there are still less than 50% CEOs" or similar bullshit.
pic-related is a British Member of Parliament. A male MP suggested having a discussion on men's issues for international Mens Day, since they've had many talks about women's issues but never talked about men's issues. He mentioned things like suicide. She called it laughable, and said nobody should discuss men's issues until women make up 50% of Parliament.
Thankfully, feminism is actually getting weaker and she lost that fight. They had the talk a few weeks ago.
FEMINISTS BTFO
>>24948662
We have some semantic disagreement, but you're largely right and this is really unfortunate.
Even if you think forced equality of outcome is a good thing, feminists only care about what I have long called "statistical justice". It's not a justice of due process or equal opportunity (obviously) and it does not value the individual. If the _average_ woman and the _average_ man are equal, and this is achieved by propping up the women at the top, it totally ignores the women at the bottom and does nothing to actually improve life for individuals or "help women".
Just another reason the metrics they shove at us are bogus.
>>24948739
>Thankfully, feminism is actually getting weaker
You're very mistaken. Feminism is getting stronger and this year was probably the best in feminism's history. From Norway's law to make male circumcision offers mandatory, to Canada's election and UN's agenda 2030 = total worldwide gender equality.
>>24948762
>It's not a justice of due process or equal opportunity (obviously)
They even complain about equal opportunity.
>>24942120
Guess I'm blue-pill
>>24942120
im def at level 2
Red Pill level four is realizing the effect Jewish media has had in degrading women of our generation, and realizing it has had a very similar, yet different effect on men. Red pill level four also entails realizing the failures of democracy and the necessity of religion in keeping civilization afloat, as well as the superiority of Christianity to other religions not only due to past success, but because of the religion's alignment with true human nature.
>>24948842
>UN
Joke of an organization. No one gives a shit about their stupid bullshit.
>Norway
Literally a country smaller than most large cities. Irrelevant on a global level due to their size.
>Canada
A bit more relevant than Norway but not by much.
Feminism is destroying the West at record pace but saying this will lead to world wide gender "equality" (lol) is an absolute joke. The West will fall and other still patriarchal societies will rise over us.
I don't know guys, I've just given up on society. I'm just going as it is, doing the bare minimum, and shitposting on Korean anime meeming sites. The rest of the time, I just have Uni and pretty much wait for death. Its a special feeling not giving too much of a damn, society is going to implode any time now, and if you are invested in it, then you have a lot to lose
>>24948762
>and this is really unfortunate.
All of this only happens because women have equal rights = the right to vote.
To fight feminism women must be disenfranchised. The MRA approach failed completely. MRAs started 100 years ago and they have achieved nothing: http://i.imgbox.com/6Kv2Oufv.jpg
>>24949673
>Joke of an organization. No one gives a shit about their stupid bullshit.
You have literally no clue. The UN has a huge influence. For example all the gender mainstreaming, empowerment of women and gender equality that we see not only in the US but worldwide (in academia and media and politics), is a result of the work of the UN.
>Literally a country smaller than most large cities
>A bit more relevant than Norway but not by much.
1. Dude, these were just 2 examples. In countless other countries and on countless other fronts feminism got stronger.
2. It doesn't matter whether these are small or big countries. Men's rights have essentially no wins, while feminism has countless wins. From universities adopting Yes Means Yes to Intel the G20 enforcing gender equality.
Feminism marches forward and gets stronger, while MRAs are dead men walking.
>>24951078
>From universities adopting Yes Means Yes to Intel the G20 enforcing gender equality.
*From universities adopting Yes Means Yes to Intel spending millions to promote women and the G20 enforcing gender equality.
>>24949572
its in alignment with true white-human nature
an important distinction
