How do you continue living life knowing you will NEVER have sex/have a real loving relationship with a girl? What's the point?
>>24937282
When you are comfortable and you can coolly analyze the awfulness of things (which is all true)... it is very easy to underestimate the human animal instinct for self-preservation. Put anyone in an enclosure and start filling it with water, and watch them claw, struggle, try anything.
This instinct persists even if the second instinct (reproduce) seems impossible. Everyone here regularly underestimates the former instinct.
There is a popular thing to do in this place, it's to the point of being a meme. Basically, people in their 20's or 30's like to boast that they'll give it another 5 or 10 years, tops, and then end it, because apparently life worth living is over at 35 or 40. It's always a ways out, almost never something immediate.
Almost none of those boasters will follow through. Because, as I said, the instinct for self-preservation is so strong that even robots, who know the score on the awfulness of the world, don't usually struggle against it. A successful suicide is a very, very rare phenomenon in the general population. I can think of two people I've met over the course of my life, one male, one female, who attempted suicide. Neither one succeeded.
>>24937282
If I have to work for a living and pay bills, I'd rather stay single for the rest of my life.
>>24937282
you're not going to believe me, but I literally lost my virginity yesterday
Apart from the notion of ticking it off the checklist of experience, I feel exactly the same. I still hate myself and my pathetic life.
What I'm trying to say is, don't see sex as a solution to your problems. It was a fun experience, but it's not like when you're done she hands you a chad pill
>>24938719
Good. Now you can show yourself out.
>>24937282
I'm just waiting for mom to keel over so I can ann hiro. I've long since dropped out of courtship/socialization.
>>24937282
By knowing that at some point I will might be able to get some boipussy which is much better than roasties anyways.
>>24937282
There is no point to anything regardlless. Existence is meaningless and absurd. Your spaghetti's getting cold.
Maybe it's different when you know you're one of the most attractive picks out there. There's a power in knowing how well other people perceive you, especially when you know who's interested.
The point is if it's gonna happen, it's because I wanted it badly enough. I don't.
>>24938617
Nice post.
underratedblox
>>24938617
Precisely! Well spoken (or written, rather, but it's nice to pretend I'm have a conversation that involves speech rather than text).
I'm not a happy person. I'm 35 years old and a wizard. I work a job that I hate, a stressful little drama that provides misery not commensurate with my pay. I live downtown, alone. All my friends are gone, have started their own families, are having children. And here I sit, a body as frail as bird bones.
And yet I drag on from day to day. Not because I believe it will get any better. I know it will not. I have no false hopes, I have no daydreams left. I drink heavily to numb myself, precisely because I know things are the way they are. And why?
Survival instinct. Pure and simple. A mindless, primitive, insane little impetus that doesn't rationally consider anything. It merely understands one more year, one more day, one more moment. And so you dull whatever bad feelings you have however you can to satisfy that little devil, that little demon that doesn't care that the future is NOT bright, that things will NOT get better. It just wants you to gasp one more breath, and if you have to drink and drug yourself to make that even remotely bearable, well, so be it.
>>24938719
I don't doubt you. But how long did you suffer that virginity? I only ask because it gets worse with time. Virginity, if it is involuntary, is a rejection. It is a state that one bears because one is unacceptable. You live with being unacceptable for long enough, and it does wear on you. It makes you sick and angry. You are not worthy to participate, to live as humans live.
You can now go forward knowing there is at least hope. Someone thought you were good enough. I would fantasize about such a thing, if fantasy was a possibility for me any more. It isn't.
But the days go by.
And you go on.
Drugs to be frank relative
Feels fine desu senpai
As long as I have porn I don't care.
>>24938797
I neglected to mention this part above. In addition to self-preservation, most robots still have enough humanity and propriety to not kill themselves while their parents are alive. But that's a distant secondary consideration/excuse.
What none of them really contemplate is that by the time that their/your parents actually die (at some point during your middle age), they/you will be so accustomed to being alive, such as it is, that they won't then actually say "WELP! Now I can finally off myself like I've been wanting to do these past 30 years but for the fact that my parents were alive! Phew, I'm so relieved! *bang*" It doesn't work that way.
If it (life) were that damn unbearable, our hypothetical suicidal bot would have done himself in years ago. When things become truly unbearable, manners and consideration for the feelings of others fall out of focus. Since he's alive, by definition it wasn't that damn unbearable, but thirty years younger, he used his parent's then-alive-status as an excuse, when in fact he wasn't able to self-destruct then, either.
Successful suicide is very, very rare in the general population, and the instinct for self-preservation is very, very, very strong. It takes a little more than decades of virginity, or having a disease, or just plain hating the world to push a person over. It is still possible to take pleasure in certain things, even in these cases.
You have to be in prison, or in constant, agonizing pain, or have a clinically depressed brain. You really, truly have to be basically fucked in life in a way that not even most true robots are, although they will object to this.
>>24939114
i understand, anon
>>24938617
>>24939023
It's funny because a hobo in the metro told me the exact same thing today. He wanted to become a comedian, but never got a job and his parents and family kicked him out.
I think OP should have worded his post in another way.
How do you continue living life as a human? The only thing keeping you alive is your instinct, then, are you even human ? I conceptualize being human as something above an animal. To me, you can be human without being an animal, by exhibiting human traits (expression, communication, thoughts...). Survival and reproductive instincts are animal traits.
To me, people that only have their animal instincts keeping them alive are no better than mere animals.
I think by "how do you continue living", OP didn't mean "why haven't you killed yourself yet" but basically "what keeps you going.
And by reading your replies, you still haven't succeeded in giving a satisfactory answer.
>>24939349
You're right, OP's thing was more human/rhetorical along your latter lines, and I took it in a more literal direction.
Have you considered the possibility that in harder cases, the only central thing that "keeps someone going" is (my avowed) self-preservation? Everyone can find little pleasures here and there, even the hobo, but these don't really give hope or have meaning. The above wizard has seconded your hobo. This is what it means for the video games to stop working when you go through your late 20's - the pleasure is sucked out of your old pleasures by the inability to relate to others. What remains, in the most extreme cases, is the self-preservation, and as I've already accounted for, even the self-preservation turns off if the individual is sufficiently defective.
I'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable about biology, but there /is/ a quote from Darwin which is pertinent to your man/animal distinction. For Darwin, the difference (in mental faculties) between humans and other animals is merely a difference of degree, not kind. That is, for Darwin, if I'm getting this right, man and the (other) animals are on the same continuum, one simply being better at something (cognition) than the others, and not fundamentally, ontologically different like you want (Descartes did this too IIRC) except for those different faculties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent_of_Man,_and_Selection_in_Relation_to_Sex#Evolution_of_mental_traits
>>24939349
>To me, people that only have their animal instincts keeping them alive are no better than mere animals.
The wizard, here.
We are mere animals. I hate to break this to you, but we are no better, and no worse. We may appear more sophisticated by comparison, but look who is making that comparison! We are obviously biased with regard to that assessment.
In an objective sense, we human animals are different. Not any better because, let's face it, what fundamental criteria do we base our superiority upon? It is actually pretty mind-blowing to consider how intricate and complicated our species has become. It has allowed us to occupy a certain niche, to be sure. It also seems, when one steps back and considers it, kind of gratuitous. But nature is indifferent. It will indulge in excess, suffer for that excess, and continue on because it is not personal and it doesn't care.
>I think by "how do you continue living", OP didn't mean "why haven't you killed yourself yet" but basically "what keeps you going.
>And by reading your replies, you still haven't succeeded in giving a satisfactory answer.
And what answer is satisfactory? Do you honestly feel people need to justify basic drives? We go on because nature dictates we do. That may not be pretty or poetic. But it is reality. Or perhaps, being sophisticated animals, we should be more clever about lying to ourselves?
Well, I don't have the energy for that any longer.
I could get laid if I wanted to
Right now imma just chill
I'll get a gf tomorrow
>>24938617
my grandpa shot himself and didnt even think twice
did it without hesitating
>>24939023
>I don't doubt you. But how long did you suffer that virginity? I only ask because it gets worse with time. Virginity, if it is involuntary, is a rejection. It is a state that one bears because one is unacceptable. You live with being unacceptable for long enough, and it does wear on you. It makes you sick and angry. You are not worthy to participate, to live as humans live.You can now go forward knowing there is at least hope. Someone thought you were good enough. I would fantasize about such a thing, if fantasy was a possibility for me any more. It isn't. But the days go by. And you go on.
damn... those tears are on you.
>>24938617
suicide is fairly prevalent on my fathers side of the family, gosh golly I'm in good company. won't have to worry about fucking it up since they all succeeded.
>>24940033
Cool anecdote that I've consistently accounted for in my treatment of things, family. Sorry about gramps tho
>>24940098
>damn... those tears are on you.
Funny, because I can't remember the last time I cried. I wish I could! It's not a shameful to cry when you're always alone. After all, who could see you? Or hear you? Or care?
But your heart gets harder as time goes on. You get meaner, more irritable. You feel angry, and desperate. But you don't feel that curiously human vulnerability that provides for simple sadness and tears. Just desperation and panic, the feeling of being buried beneath the sand pouring through the hourglass.
>>24940268
faggot thinking you're a writer or some shit lmao
>>24940340
Well, I do like to write. Sort of a hobby. I'm certainly not the best there is. But my writing is slightly better than:
>faggot thinking you're a writer or some shit lmao
Maybe not better by that much, to be sure. But just a little.
>tfw desperately want to devirginize older males (23+)
>no way to go about it
Posting on here will attract misogynists
And liars with higher confidence who will just lie
Plus it puts on the expectation that I definitely want to fuck, when it's only a certain type I like (the type with low self esteem, the type to appreciate), which I'd only know after a while (months) of getting to know them.
People in real life seem to never be virgins. I look for the most hopeless looking cases and they've all either got a girlfriend or lucked out in the past with a one night stand. Unless they're lying, but there's no way to tell.
It's like when you see those ugly fucks on Jeremy Kyle or Maury or whatever, and they have practically a harem of women, and you're thinking they have literally nothing going for them, why do they have that.
Anyway, wish I could help you guys out, I really do.
that's kinda gay desu
>>24940451
>tfw stuff like this will never happen
>>24940451
You're not a girl, though.
>>24940451
>Anyway, wish I could help you guys out, I really do.
The sentiment is appreciated, I suppose. What I appreciate more, though, is that you've stated quite well why late male virginity is such an unpleasant thing or, at least, one of the reasons it's so unpleasant.
>People in real life seem to never be virgins. I look for the most hopeless looking cases and they've all either got a girlfriend or lucked out in the past with a one night stand. Unless they're lying, but there's no way to tell.
>It's like when you see those ugly fucks on Jeremy Kyle or Maury or whatever, and they have practically a harem of women, and you're thinking they have literally nothing going for them, why do they have that.
When a virgin male of a certain unfortunate age sees the same thing, they invariably compare themselves to those cases. If these guys, so supposedly horrible, have not been rejected on such a fundamental level, than surely the virgin male must be worse!
It's a pretty horrible blow to the self esteem. Which is okay, when all is said and done. We aren't real people anyway. After all:
>People in real life seem to never be virgins
It's because virgins aren't real people.
>>24937282
can't let go for whatever reason, it hurts to live but it's better than nothingness.
>>24938719
this is what robots who haven't gotten some loveless lay don't understand, sex alone isn't that great, it's mildly better than mastubation.
a loving relationship on the other hand feels unbelievably good, I've never had a gf but I've gotten tastes of that life whenever my sister brings friends and I'm forced to hang out.
>>24937282
I don't want my parents to be upset with my suicide. So I'll have to wait a couple decades at least before I'm able to do it.
By not putting all of my eggs in one basket.
>>24940841
see >>24939114 for how "Muh Parents" doesn't actually keep you from doing anything. It's just a convenient excuse. And no, you won't make good on your threat when you're 55 or so - for the same reasons.
>>24940600
I am a girl, though.
I'm an average female, average weight (like 9 st?) average height (5'5"), size 5.5 feet, average face with brown, shoulder length hair. Quite dull, really.
If it helps you any I don't want it because I want to save all the virgin males of the world. I want it so I can get off. I love being worshipped and adored, I'm a very selfish person.
>>24941524
If only there was a cuteboy form of this.
>>24941524
f-f-florida?
nobody knows i'm a virgin because i don't look ugly i just am extremely intoverted and i developed slow ;_;
>>24937282
I live to prove all those who doubted me wrong. I will make something of myself, even if it's a minimum wage job and an apartment. I don't care, I just can't let myself die knowing my family thinks I'm a failure.
>>24943030
>9 stone
>Florida
L O N D O N
Alcohol keeps me going. When that fails heroin is going to be my next big thing, then once that gets dull either suicide or rehab. Which comes first.
Its not so bad. Video games are still pretty fun without a gf.
Brown elf h-doujins are also a fairly competent replacement.
>>24941524
>I love being worshipped and adored, I'm a very selfish person.
Please tell me you're into femdom and having your feet worshiped, I want to believe someone like this exists out there.
