You will never start hrt before puberty and grow up to have a cute feminine dick :(
Don't remind me of my failures please
>>24906160
Makes me want to die.
Sjw parents would have actually been nice in that scenario since they wouldn't want a white male son. Then I could have been a girl and lived life on easy mode without a worry.
>>24906160
but thats a girl on the right?
Oh fuck off.
(muted!)
>tfw you came out to your parents while there was still time and they didn't give a shit
>tfw they genuinely coulnd't imagine why you turned out to be an alcoholic cutter
>>24906808
>they genuinely coulnd't imagine why you turned out to be an alcoholic cutter
It is probably because you are mentally ill
not your parents fault :^)
Why the fuck is this shit legal?
If you want to do that shit when you are an adult then I do give a flying fuck, but at least give him a chance before he fucks up his life
>>24906160
That's so fucked up.
>>24906160
Fucking kikes doing this to their kids is just sick
>>24906861
They feed these children literally chemotherapeutics for 3+ years under the guise of being "puberty blockers".
Even adult men with prostate cancer should not be taking a high dose for more than 6 months at a time. But liberal retards are feeding children things like Lupron for years, at high doses, and pretending that it is safe.
The transgender lobby is 51% Big Pharma wanting to make more money, 49% dumb liberals wanting to be special snowflakes. OP is either a Pharma shill or a dumbass tumblrina.
>>24906861
Sometimes its not that simple. Imagine having a terrible case of acne and being embarrassed everywhere you go, that can be how they feel and cases can start early. You have to do something about it before it turns into scars, same thing.
>>24906933
>equating lifechanging, dangerous hormonal therapy to acne
literally wot
>>24906958
Would being confident with your appearance not change your life and attitude? And accutane can really mess someone up on side effects if they're not careful too.
Stop reminding me that even if I started now, I would never be passable even if I got all the surgeries. At most, I'd look like a man in a dress.
>too young to vote
>too young to drink
>too young to smoke
>too young to drive
>too young to have sex
>old and mature enough to permanently alter his body and hormonal balance.
What a wonderful time to witness. I wonder how fucked up will society get in the next decades.
>>24907004
>equating accutane to off-label, misused chemotherapy
proof HRT has fried your tranny brain
>>24906861
>Why the fuck is this shit legal?
Do some research on gender identity disorder / gender dysphoria. It's a real medical condition that can be diagnosed pretty early on. The cause is thought to be related to how prenatal hormones influence brain development, with trans people having brains that are physically more similar to the opposite sex. So they exhibit strong tendencies toward the opposite sex from early childhood and onward. It's something that would set off red flags with any parent, which is likely prompted them to take this kid to a psychiatrist to figure it out.
Bear in mind that even the law has recognized gender identity disorder for decades, and trans people actually do have to go through legal channels in order to transition.
>>24906861
In a decade or two, we're going to look back at these "gender reassignments" the same way we look at lobotomies now.
>>24906160
im glad they start as kids because then at least they look like real women
it should be banned to start after puberty unless you can afford all that cosmetic surgery
>>24907035
Never mentioned chemo or anything off label, are you okay?
>>24907004
Quite a large number of people who transition end up killing themselves because of it
That is not a decision you should give to a fucking child jst because he isn't confident
Not to mention all the hormonal side effects
This shit is straight up child abuse
>>24907035
>mystery being assblasted that transgirls end up cuter than her and get more guys
Remember that episode of Law and Order: SVU with the trans kid?
>>24906930
>>24907035
>roastie mad that she's getting replaced by boys
>>24907049
Go back to tumblr you delusional fuck
>>24907050
WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY SHITLORD? DID YOU IMPLY THAT OUR MODERN PROGRESSIVE VALUES ARE NOT THE PINNACLE OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THE NEXT GENERATIONS MAY NOT SHARE THEM?
>>24906160
>you will never indulge your mental illness
FTFY
>>24907061
quiet a number of people who are prevented from/can't afford to transition, commit suicide too though.
>>24907018
>tfw androgynous as fuck and could easily pass as a girl without even taking hormones
Good thing I am not mentally ill, otherwise I would already be a cute girl
>>24907033
>Believing you're the opposite gender and wanting to permanently mutilate/alter your body to resemble it is considered mentally normal and is celebrated
>Feeling perpetually sad because the world sucks is considered mental illness
>>24907096
Well considering doing it and not doing both lead to high rates of suicide then maybe they shhould consider other options instead of cutting thier dick off and turning thier colon into a pseudo vagina :^)
>>24907059
you don't just "start" hrt before puberty, you delay puberty with lupron from an early age (like 6-8) because puberty isn't a one-off thing, it's a long process., you delay it until age 12 and then start on hrt.
lupron is a puberty blocker that is commonly used off-label by "transgender psychiatrists" before HRT is administered to a kid. it's intended use is as a chemotherapeutic, for men with prostate cancer. it isn't even recommended for its other purpose (fibromyalgia) anymore because of its dangerous side effects
>trannies in charge of knowing what drugs they are putting in their bodies
literally JUST
>>24907064
i know i'm ugly, it doesn't change the facts. the facts are transgenderism is a scam, a ploy, dangerous and pants-on-head retarded. a man is born a man and will always be a man no matter how much surgery he gets to invert his dick into a fecal-infested "neovagina"
LISTEN
How about giving them testosterone? Has anyone ever tried that?
Make them want to be a male instead of fucking them up to pretend their are females. I'm sure the suicide rate would drop(also because testosterone boosts your self steem a lot).
>>24907129
pretty sure everyone considers trannies a mental illness
>>24907129
But, gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness, and this is the treatment.
>>24907140
You are literally living on the wrong side of history.
>>24907140
I am not on thier side but cold you pplease fuck off roastie?
You are as bad as the delusional trannies here
>>24907072
>hurr durr u mad
I'm first and foremost a scientist who understands that all of this is nothing more than a mental illness, and that trannies should be thrown into an extra-padded looneybin rather than given control over children and drugs. Transgenderism is some sort of sick joke desu
>>24907149
That would seem the logical option since they have a dick and will never have a womb. You gotta make the mind fit the body, not change the body to fit the mind.
>>24906160
Natural selection in action.
>>24907091>/r9k/
You already are.
>>24907049
>my 5 year old plays with dolls
>his kindergarten teacher is a feminist indoctrinated cunt who constantly favors girls over boys in an obvious way, spreads equality by telling all of the boys that girls are better and only letting the girls play with legos
>"mommy i want to be a girl!!!"
>WELP MY LIBERAL VALUES TELL ME IT'S TIME TO CHOP HIS DICK OFF
I'm so glad I didn't grow up in this atmosphere. When I was a little kid all of my mom's friends had daughters so most of my friends were girls. I played mommy with them, pretended to be pregnant, ect. My mom just laughed and said all in due time. Nowadays a mother her age would probably post pics of me in dresses on facebook and send me to be castrated immediately.desu I still kind of want to be a woman but tranny abominations are not women, if I can't be a mommy it doesn't count
>>24907164
>wrong side of history
oh god
/r9k/ really is dead
>>24907164
>not pandering to your mental illness
>le "rong side of history"
plz
>>24907180
>implying{spoiler}
>>24907175
>I'm first and foremost a scientist
kek since when are you a scientist?
>>24907185
what if i told you womb transplants will exist in your lifetime.
You'll probably be like 50 then, but hey, they'll exist
>>24907206
what does this image mean?
>>24907149
Decades ago, this is how trans people (and gay people, as well) were punished by law. It only made them want to commit suicide.
You can't "cure" someone of gender dysphoria. Hormones won't rewire their brain. The only thing practical medicine can do is try to make a person's body match their mental image of themselves.
where did these trannies come from? Ive noticed we had a huge influx of them in the past year or so. Is /lgbt/ leaking out that bad?
>Kids can decide they want to be a different gender
>Kids can't decide if they want to go to poundtown
ok
>>24907149
Anti psychotics work just fine instead.
>>24907218
>trannies will hog all the womb transplants, rather than giving them to women who lost their wombs to cancer and had to get hysterectomies
i really want to kill all trannies t b h
>>24907246
I'm a complete tumblrite and I've been here so long I remember when this board was funny. I don't know what keeps me coming anymore.
>>24907178
>You gotta make the mind fit the body, not change the body to fit the mind.
Why? Seems counter intuitive to me.
>>24907242
or just give them anti psychotics so their deranged urges go away
So wait, can his dick even get hard if he started HRT before puberty? What is to enjoy about anal sex if your dick can't get hard...or if you don't even have a dick (via surgery)? I don't understand that. They just lay there and pretend to like having their artificial pussy or ass pounded?
>>24907338
yes, basically. they are usually narcissists who get off on sexual attention and the idea of people fucking them moreso than anything.
>>24907338
my girlfriend cums while completely flaccid at this point. Her sex drive is huge,too.
>>24907289
>I don't know what keeps me coming anymore.
Then fucking go
No one wants you here
>>24907358
i like this meme it gives me boners
>>24907149
you can't, because testosterone is a controlled substance
no joke, all these trannies just walk up to a doctor and get a prescription for estrogen
and here I am, low testosterone since puberty, low sex drive, severe depression, trouble building muscle, constant conflict avoidance
and I can't get a single doctor to write a prescription for test, despite it being pretty fucking clear what the issue is, because "anon, testosterone is a dangerous thing, we can't give it to you unless you REALLY need it".
fuck trannies, I'm honestly considering finding some guy at a local gym who sells gear and buying from him
>>24907338
>What is to enjoy about anal sex if your dick can't get hard
I don't know about trans dudes. But I've seen vids of guys ejaculating/orgasm with a flaccid dick from anal stimulation.
>>24907356
>tripfag roastie
>not narcissist
ebin
>>24907373
People like you are simply inferior, you were literally born a beta male why should we help you possibly reproduce.
Your genes will be culled.
>>24907400
people like you are sick and mentally ill
why should we play into your delusion of being a woman when you are clearly a man and nothing can change that?
why don't you kill yourself and hope you get reborn as a woman then?
>>24907373
>I'm honestly considering finding some guy at a local gym who sells gear and buying from him
It's the way to go bruh.
>>24907365
I don't know why, i don't shit up the board with my personal problems constantly,much unlike all the virgins.
>>24907421
I'm not a trannie m8, I was simply telling the low test beta itt his place in the world.
>>24907373
>mfw a girl i know was recently prescribed testosterone because she's actually " a man"
>in reality she's just a butch lesbian who wants more special attention
but ik your feels man. i'm a high test female and i can't take birth control to lower my testosterone because it gives me other health problems. i need a dht blocker but doctors won't prescribe me shit. meanwhile, a deranged tranny can walk in and basically get it handed to her. ree.
>>24907203
I need the sauce to that pic roastie
>>24907373
Do you actually have low test since puberty?
How do you know?
I started at 18.
>>24907050
You're comparing apples to oranges.
>>24907089
lol shut up
>>24907476
cassiebrooksxxx on chaturbate
pic related
>>24907072
>implying anyone on earth wants to fuck a guy who pretends to be a girl
Jesus christ what the fuck happened to this place.
>>24906160
Hi schlomo, how was the rabbi today?
>>24907242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8839957/
It's an absolutely curable disorder. They only go back to wanting to kill themselves after treatment stops, because surprise surprise, mental illness.
Mystery, when are we going to kill ourselves?
I always have an ebin boner for trannies but I think they are mentally sick
>>24907338
It's like a use it or lose it sort of thing. I've been on HRT for 2 months and my dick definitely gets less firm when I'm aroused.
>>24907538
>one person, no control
wew lad, that's some bad "science"
>>24907218
I also hate surgery and I'm far too masculine looking to ever be pretty. If there was a pill I could pop that would turn me into an attractive, young and fertile female, I'd take it. Especially if I could reasonably claim that someone spiked my drink or something, would be kinda hard to explain otherwise especially considering I'm the last male in my family line and our name would die with me if I did something like that.
My ultimate fantasy is finding a pretty girl who loves me, having her turn me into a fully functional and pretty girl like her, then sharing men with her and having a large family.
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>>24907513
I started at 24.
>>24907149
MtFs have been known to try this and it doesn't work.
>>24907049
>Doctor this child has cancer he also identifies as a cancer kinsexual
> leave the child untreated and give him drugs that can aid the cancer's progression
>>24907464
>trannies make roasties this mad
I'm loving it.
>>24907149
>I WANT TO BE A PRETTY LITTLE PRINCESS I WILL RIP YOUR GODDAMN HEAD OFF
>I WANT A REAL MAN
>LOOK AT ALL THESE DISGUSTING SCRAWNY WEAKLINGS, I WANT TO SMASH THEIR FACES IN
>FUCK SHIT UUUUPPP
would not recommend
estrogens such as estriadol is enough to get people to drop out of the gene pool, and it's been classically been used as the number one method of chemical castration by eugenicists.
maybe transsexuality is a mental illness. so why are we arguing that they get back into the gene pool and try to slug it out again?
people should be able to make their own choices when they're well-informed adults. women are weaker, have lamer brain chemistry, are prone to be histrionic, every religion fucking hates trannies, so do a lot of people in general.
>>24907280
>XX organ transplanted onto an XY body
COME ON SCIENTIST YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER
if anything it would probably just be, i don't know, a bunch of ears or something.
>>24907497
I have seen a doctor about it and in about 3 days I'm having a surgery to correct my varicoceles because it's gotten to the point of being fucking painful all the time and a massive growth
he's confirmed that my varicoceles has lowered the quality of my test since I've had it, which was around age 15. This means I had basically no test throughout my teenage years, and explains why I'm the way I am, with basically no sex drive, and as a skinny little guy with no way to build muscle. I even tried the fit way of bulking while lifting at my gym. all it did was give me a slight beer gut because I was taking in so many calories, my arms are still tiny as fuck after months.
believe me, this is my problem right here, but I can't get anything to fix it, while any fucktard who says they were born the wrong gender can walk in and get their pick of whatever hormonal treatments they want
>>24907373
lol you should be mad because you're genetic trash
>>24907464
If you take finasteride it's gonna fuck you up unless you've had a hystorectomy.
>>24907583
anon I'm no doctor but it really sounds like if you don't give up your denial you'll be miserable transitioning when you're middle aged
Daily reminder that hormones can't change chromosomes you fucking basket cases
>>24907615
>estrogens such as estriadol is enough to get people to drop out of the gene pool, and it's been classically been used as the number one method of chemical castration by eugenicists.
Estrogen does fuck all without anti-androgens.
>every religion fucking hates trannies, so do a lot of people in general.
Islam, the religion of peace, welcomes trans people with open arms.
>>24907587
Meh, anyone who starts before 30 usually turns out okay.
Also this board is like repressed tranny hell, seriously.
>my fetish is trans girls and i only like trans girls
>im 100% against trans people and believe its a mental illness that people parade around to be progressive
Anyone else have this predicament
>tfw will never grow up as a girl in upper-middle class America
>>24907676
Bit like the anti-homosexual Conservatives who get caught sucking off rent boys
>>24907463
you are in no position to tell people who deserves to reproduce and who doesnt. Id rather that anon have a kid that some mexinigger pumping out 10 to be thugs. And who knows maybe if he had something to care about (his family) he would flourish. Men tend to do that
>>24907230
Mother Russia is protecting US from scary Ukraine scum.
>>24907666
>Estrogen does fuck all without anti-androgens.
Not true, it just acts a lot slower unless you take higher doses which tends to be medically riskier than taking lower doses of estrogen + anti-androgens which is why that's the most common treatment.
Estrogen on its own will eventually shut down the body's testosterone production over time. It actually still does that even with anti-androgens. Spironolactone, the anti-androgen used in the US, doesn't halt testosterone production at all but just prevents it from binding. Estrogen is what murders the testicles.
>>24907702
>you are in no position to tell people who deserves to reproduce and who doesnt
yeah but I didn't nature did lol
>>24907651
lmao, I'm not going to transition, sexual fantasy is not the same as mental state. I have SPD and possibly schizophrenia (no way I'll let myself get that diagnosis if I can help it) but no gender identity disorder. I do not feel female nor do I feel that I am in the wrong body or anything.
Transition is not reliable as a form of treatment for people with gender identity issues either.
>>24907583
More like this anon?
>>24907725
nature doesnt decide shit anymore, anon. Even the most beta men breed if they really want to.
>>24907767
>Even the most beta men breed if they really want to.
Explain all the incels here then?
>>24906160
so that's what happened to Dewey...
>>24907787
The vast majority of them will end up breeding, they just think their life is over before it's even begun.
They won't get to spend their youth sleeping around and having fun like chad but they'll get their chance.
>>24907072
>tfw men are better than women at literally everything, even at actually being women
>>24907853
I'm not the guy your talking too but you got that pretty darn wrong. Infact it's the opposite only a small minority of r9k will reproduce
>>24907787
most of us choose to stay this way. Staying in this self-pitying cycle is easier that going out there and risking rejection. Average robot is not ugly or deformed. Robots are scarred from years of emotional neglect and abuse so they end up socially retarded and apathetic. Some break out some dont, depends on the person I guess.
>>24907175
>implying having a mental state different than what normies say is acceptable is an "illness"
>unironically supporting the concept of involuntary commitment
2/10, made me reply
>>24907218
why don't they do this already?
>>24907935
Nope. Almost everyone here will become normalfag at some point. A very minuscule amount will become wizards and even then some of them will still end up making it.
>>24907246
this board is a stomping-ground for anyone wanting to shill for certain ideologies, primarily because the board has no central topic
>>24907981
The science isn't there yet? I read an article on it awhile ago and I think they've either just done one experimintally or are preparing to do so.
>>24907583
in my case I just live vicariously through my gf
>You will never be pressured by your progressive parents into "accepting" that you're transgendered
>you will never be conditioned to accept mental illness as something normal
>you will never be part of a group that has a 38% chance to kill themselves before age 40
Feels pretty unamerican desu senpai
Which is great.
>>24907185
A Reminder of your future, anon.
>>24907464
>handed to her
>her
I thought you hated us?
>>24908413
she's just jelly
>>24907741
Most of them have filesizes too large to fit on this keked board.
>21
it's too late for me
i'll just wait to die now
>>24907767
>most betas convince themselves they have bred when in reality they are raising a chad's kek child
fixed. 80/20 doesn't follow the rules of marriage, even in the old days women were whores.
>>24908474
Link to album or something?
>>24908527
none of the collections on imagefap are complete, check out the xchange thread on /gif/. A lot of this material gets recirculated there. Granted there are retarded trolls that also post horse porn in them, but sometimes you have to look at horse dicks if you want to read captions.
>>24907627
Hey, hey, kid. Guess what? If you're short, it has nothing to do with your testosterone. The reason women are shorter than men is that estrogen stops growth by turning growth plates into solid bone. The more estrogen you have the faster the process is completed. So you are either genetically short or you're suffering some other deficiency, like sleep, human growth hormone, or nutrition. I doubt you have high estrogen though, or you would have breast growth and the like.
You don't see Chinese people doing this. White culture is clearly a joke.
>>24907140
Post pics so I can decide whether or not I'm going to white knight you
>>24908639
>You don't see Chinese people doing this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_in_China
>>24908639
didn't you watch Mulan
>>24907185
This. When i was i kid i grew up in an Eastern European village and i remember buying dolls because they were the only available toys in that little store.
If i were born 20 years in the west my brainwashed leftard family would have probably feed me hormones right there.
Good to know the west is dying and America will collapse. We might get the chance to be left alone and return to normality
>tfw no qt trannies in eastern yurop
Guess "visit sweden and find a fuckboy" will be added to the todo list before suicide.
>>24908624
short doesn't have anything to do with it is has to do with my manboobs, lack of sex drive, extreme difficulty building muscle mass, and depression caused by having low test
thanks for your wrong input thoughj
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>>24908843
V L A D I V O S T O K
Text blockies, desu senpai.
>>24907149
Nope, it does work senpai
>>24906729
>life on easy mode
>thinks life as a transgender will be easy
>>24909158
It is. I have a couple trans friends and it's so much easier if you even remotely pass.
>>24909158
>be accepted as a woman and live life on easy mode as long as you don't show your dick
>hordes of people who want your dick still and have a fetish for you
>if you don't pass, society will still baby you because it's 2015 for god's sake and it's the new thing
Well, that's life son. I'm in the exact same situation, but I have accepted it thoroughly. I guess I'll just setlle with my 6'1 hairy beast mode genes.
>>24908880
It takes YEARS to build muscle naturally you whinny piece of shit. You probably have shit progress because you have a mediocre routine, shit nutrition( you probably dont even count your calories cause you got a beer gut after a few months lol) and you have unrealistic expectations aswell.... faggot
>>24909408
and after months of "eating big" and lifting I should be able to see some results, I shouldn't still have little noodle arms, there should be some mass increase
I'm not talking about being ripped. I'm talking about my arms are literally noodles, they look weird as fuck because they have LITERALLY no muscle tone despite trying my best, because I have low test
>>24908880
>manboobs
Didn't I say breast growth, you literally low test beta faggot?
>>24909453
lHow much have your lifts increased(Squat, Bench Deadlift), How many calories are you eating? Whats your fucking routine? Have some patience, try to fix your diet, nutrition and train for a few years before using steroids
>>24906930
You do know this whole post is bait right? That picture has been posted like a thousand times
>>24909515
the fuck is this comic tryin to say?
>>24907246
/r9k/ kept pushing for the trap meme and some people fell for it. Which led to real trannys to come here
>>24907067
Oh baby give me more
>>24908474
>>24907583
Fucking this
One of the safest and more effective ways to act out the fantasy is to learn to lucid dream and then juat act out the fantasy privately and safely in your own dream world
But that takes more dedication and effort than just fapping to it instead I guess
>>24909687
/b/ all over again.
Goddamn freaks wont yield till every last board caters to them, down to /po/ exclusively folding paperpenii.
>>24908019
And how do you suppose that will ever happen?
>>24909950
As they get older they will be forced into the world. Their parents will die or they'll be kicked out and forced to get jobs. They'll end up interacting with people and eventually find other losers. Standards drop quickly over time and most people will find some form of success in their late 20's if not 30's.
The amount of neet wizards is ridiculously low.
>>24910009
I was forced into my own place and have been attending university for almost 3 years.
0 friends
0 female attention
0 social skills
>>24910077
That's because you're still young. People still have their looks and that's the only thing that matter to them. You have to wait until they start to fade and standards decrease.
>>24907049
Bullshit. It's mental illness pure and true. These people need therapy and anti psychotics. Not estrogen.
>>24907517
He really isn't comparing apples to oranges. Gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia are psychological disorders, and treating psychological disorders with surgery is usually looked down on. There must be a way to cure this illness.
>>24906160
the girl on the right is qt. is that his sister?
>>24907242
Suicide rate is just as high though, post hormones and plastic surgery.
>>24910009
>everything will be fine you stupid goy
>just wait until everyone else has 10 years more wealth than you because of the family they were born into (might as well be 1000 years more worth you stupid poorfag)
>you'll get sloppy thirty-fifths, so what if she'll divorce you in a week
>just keep bein urself :^)
>>24909661
strange eastern video games are turning our white children into somodizers and transsexuals
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http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
>ABSTRACT
>Living in conflict with one of the basic tenets of existence (Am I male or am I female?) is understandably anxiety provoking. This fact leads me to suggest that Gender Identity Disorder as this conflict is described in the DSM IV, is not an appropriate descriptor. I suggest here as I have elsewhere (Vitale, 1997, 2001) that instead the condition be termed Gender Expression Deprivation Anxiety Disorder (GEDAD). After explaining my thinking on gender expression deprivation anxiety, I will describe how this anxiety, if left untreated, is manifested in each of the five developmental stages of life: confusion and rebellion in childhood, false hopes and disappointment in adolescence, hesitant compliance in early adulthood, feelings of self induced entrapment in middle age, and if still untreated, depression and resignation in old age.
>Given the probable cause, it is reasonable to assume there are many permutations of the way gender variant individuals relate to their condition. However, people who present for treatment routinely fall into three distinct groups: Two groups of female-identified males( Group One and Group Three in this paper) and one group of male-identified females (Group Two).
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>>24909661
Kid was playing Pokemon, got asked whether he was a boy or a girl at the beginning of the game to determine what his avatar would be, realizes he doesn't associate himself with the word boy.
>>24910255
I never said life will be fine, let alone good.
Just that other people will have it shitty too and they'll eventually settle for people.
You likely will too.
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>Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient to allow these individuals to appear and act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male.
>...
>The story is very different for Group Three. In the hope of ridding themselves of their dysphoria they tend to invest heavily in typical male activities. Being largely heterosexual, they marry and have children, hold advanced educational degrees and are involved at high levels of corporate and academic cultures. These are the invisible or cloistered gender dysphorics. They develop an aura of deep secrecy based on shame and risk of ridicule and their secret desire to be female is protected at all costs. The risk of being found out adds to the psychological and physiological pressures they experience. Transitioning from this deeply entrenched defensive position is very difficult. The irony here is that gender dysphoric symptoms appear to worsen in direct proportion to their self-enforced entrenchment in the male world.
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The further an individual gets from believing he can ever live as a female, the more acute and disruptive his dysphoria becomes.
>Given gender identity permanency and its obvious importance in the ordering of one's life, it is reasonable to consider gender identity as essential existential knowledge, knowledge that can not be unknown or separated out from the whole without radically redefining the whole.
>For all three groups described here, I believe it is safe to say that gender dysphoria is the single most dominating influence during developmental stages in all three groups. In this paper, I will take examples from my case load to show how gender dysphoria effects these people at each of the classic five stages of life: childhood, adolescence, early adulthood, midlife and old age.
>The periodic need to cross-dress or otherwise express cross-gender behavior is a common element in gender dysphoria. Costume is obviously a form of gender expression. For people who are not gender dysphoric, cross dressing on a lark or for some other reason may be fun but in someone who is gender dysphoric, it is an essential aspect of their life. Some individuals with mild gender dysphoria come to terms with their cross-dressing/cross-gender behavioral needs and may even celebrate them with public presentations. Others have a far more negative view of their need to express cross-gender behavior and keep that part of their life private. Either way these individuals stay largely within the primary physiological bounds of their assigned gender. The problems they encounter are primarily social ones, the two most important being family pressures to conform, and the potential embarrassment of discovery.
>For individuals with a mild to moderate form of dysphoria, life is tolerable and they rarely make any overt attempt to live outside prescribed social norms. For those with a more extreme dysphoria, mild palliatives such as periodic cross-dressing,
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although helpful, becomes insufficient. These individuals appear to need to inhabit and live out the cross-sexed identity.
>As early as age two and half, most children begin showing a preference for behaviors and activities consistent with their assigned sex. By age three, they actually refer to themselves as a boy or a girl. Interviews with three-year-olds reveal that they agree with statements such as girls like to play with dolls, ask for help and talk more than boys, while boys like to play with cars, build things, and hit other children.
>Childhood
>Even the casual observer can see that children place a high priority on gender-appropriate behavior at an early age. Most individuals with gender expression deprivation anxiety report becoming aware that something was not right with their original gender assignment as early as age four. Males emphasize their experience that, unlike other problems a four-year-old boy may be able to discuss with friends or parents, wanting to be a girl was definitely to be avoided.
>Even though my example below dates back forty years, I think it is still safe to say that a boy who wants to be a girl and is willing to admit it today can expect to be "corrected," often in a very stern and firm way or his desires ignored as "something he will grow out of." For example, Arlene who is now in her fifties, reported a traumatic incident in school when, at the age of six, she (then he), was made to stand in front of his first-grade class wearing a large pink ribbon while his classmates were encouraged to laugh at him. He was being "corrected" for having been "caught" playing hopscotch with the girls during recess. Here is an example of a form of behavioral modification meant to insure immediate cessation of effeminate behavior in a male.
>On the other hand a girl who wants to be a boy and is willing to admit it can expect far less retribution for her behavior.
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Girls who affect boyish behavior are generally perceived as cute and the behavior is usually tolerated by friends, family and school officials through childhood. Although they reported mild social pressure to "dress pretty" and be more gentle, none of the male-identified female clients I have worked with have shared experiencing behavioral modification efforts like the one endured by the hopscotch-playing boy.
>Undoubtedly, there are cases where only guidance and time are needed to correct a gender identity misunderstanding in a child. In others, however, it appears that once gender identity is established, no amount of redirecting can change the child's gender identification. Some boys in particular openly endure the taunts of their peers and castigations of their parents in order to live according to their cross-gender understanding. The Child and Adolescent Gender Identity Clinic of Toronto treats many such children brought in by parents who are concerned over what they believe is unacceptable cross-gender behavior. Zucker and Bradly, reporting on the clinic's outcomes, report a high rate of helping these families. Interestingly, Ken Zucker and Susan Bradley (1995, p32), report a referral ratio of male children to female children entered for treatment since 1978 (n=249) to be 6.3 to 1. Since there is no evidence that cross-gender behavior occurs more often in boys than it does in girls, a possible interpretation of this statistic is that effeminacy in boys may be considered by parents to be more upsetting and in need of correction than tomboyish behavior in girls.
>Given the nature of the disorder and the ability of some children to conceal it, I believe that most children with gender dysphoria are never diagnosed as such. Those children cope by sticking rigorously to the role expected of them. Privately, however, they continue to go deeper and deeper
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into a highly guarded parallel world of cross-gender envy and fantasy. Given their propensity to be studious, detached and self absorbed, I have come to think of these children as living cloistered lives. These children grow up to form the core of Group Three.
>Little is known about gender dysphoric boys who privately struggle to fit into their expected gender role. With no apparent problem, (many adult GID clients report being exceptionally well behaved as children) they simply go unobserved by clinicians studying GID. Yet from interviewing adults with gender dysphoria, I can report that the problem was as real for them then as it is now. Here are some of their childhood reflections.
>The underlying feelings most often stated were of detachment and confusion, a sense of not really fitting in though family and teachers consistently rewarded them for their behavior. One of the most common areas of confusion was the sex assignment process itself. Although we as adults may think it simplistic, many children are completely perplexed as to why some children are assigned as boys and others as girls. Given a tendency toward privacy and modesty in our society, many children, especially those without siblings, often have no way of knowing that there is a physical difference between themselves and those differently assigned.
>Andrea, a 35-year-old male-to-female, post-operative transsexual recalls that she was completely perplexed over her assignment as male until when she was seven her sister was born. While first watching her mother change her sister's diaper, she learned for the first time that her assignment as a boy was based on a real physical difference. Although it cleared up part of the confusion, she realized, even at that early age, that her identity concerns were far more complicated and serious then she had first imagined.
>>24910284
>tfw everyone on /r9k/ is a group three tranny
>>24910369
A girl who wants to be a boy won't be a whore, and if "she" becomes a gay whore after "she" acquires a penis nobody's going to care.
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>As Andrea above, it is common for clients to report thinking in childhood that gender assignment was based on parental preference and therefore open for redress. Girls are especially aggressive in their insistence that they are really boys. Indeed many are so insistent that they go on to act for all intents and purposes as though they are boys, a pattern they carry into adulthood.
>For cloistered gender dysphoric boys it was in the area of peers and activities, especially sports, that the problem was most noticeable. Unable or uninterested in competing in organized boys' activities and having been shuffled decidedly away from playing with the girls, many became reclusive. To add to their confusion, and counter to behavior typically reported in openly gender dysphoric boys, many cloistered boys actually preferred solo play with boys' toys and had little or no interest in girls' toys. For example I have heard more than one long-time post-op male-to-female transsexual speak fondly of having spent countless hours playing with an Erector Set or a Lionel model train set-up that their father had helped them build. Others described of designing and making detailed model airplanes, race cars and sailing ships. The more academic of this group report little or no interest in sports and rough and tumble play. To avoid castigation from their peers, they report spending a lot of time reading and studying. However, although these children appeared to be normal boys doing what most people would consider some normal boy activities, they may very well have been doing so while secretly wearing their mother's or sister's underwear, fantasizing about being a girl or both if they could manage it.
>Like many children faced with difficulties they are powerless to change, such as family anger and divorce, gender dysphoric children often seek supernatural help with their special problem.
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None of this precludes mental illness as root cause. Much the same result can be seen in schizophrenics attempting to work against their delusions.
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This is usually in the form of praying to God and practicing special religious indulgences. This practice has an inherent opportunity for secondary gain. Almost universally they report that they believed that if God interceded for them by changing their sex, their parents and the world would have to exonerate them from what they typically perceive to be a negative and shameful desire.
>Adolescence
>If there was ever going to be a chance for these individuals to show that they are not really the gender everyone else believes they are, early adolescence is certainly it. Virtually every individual I have interviewed reported wanting desperately to have hidden internal sex organs of the desired gender finally come to life during adolescence, giving them the desired secondary sex characteristics.
>G1 boys, who have a strong feminine core identity, typically develop a sexual interest in other boys during adolescence and prefer girls as peer friends. Although they still desire to be girls, they appear to have significantly less anxiety over not being female then that reported by the boys in G3. I believe this is due to the relatively uninhibited open expression of their femininity. For example Monica was 19 years old when she reported to my office accompanied by her mother. She wore gender-neutral clothing but otherwise presented as female in voice inflection and mannerisms. The problem, of course, was that Monica was genetically male. Monica's mother related to me that Monica had been more like a girl then a boy all her life. Her and her husband loved her dearly but thought of her more as a daughter then a son. Over the course of treating Monica, it became clear that although she was distressed over her male physiology, she was otherwise emotionally stable and very aware of the seriousness of her situation.
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Once it became clear that she was her own person and ready to undergo transition, a course of hormone replacement therapy was introduced. With the exception of having to face some extreme religious issues brought up by her much older brother, she accomplished an almost effortless transition from male to female. The presence of family support and little or no investment by the family or Monica in her being male made this transition straight forward.
>As sexual maturity advances, Group Three, cloistered gender dysphoric boys, often combine excessive masturbation (one individual reported masturbating up to 5 and even 6 times a day) with an increase in secret cross-dressing activity to release anxiety. In a post-op group I facilitated, Jenna (age 43) spoke fondly of the delight she experienced as a boy when she would find something of her mom's in the dirty clothes' hamper in the bathroom. Two others in the group laughingly agreed that they too took many a trip to the bathroom for the same reason. At the same time, in their public life, these boys report employing overtly stereotypical efforts to draw attention from their secret desires to be female by affecting appearances of being normally male. This includes dating girls, participating in individual sports activities such as swimming, running, golf, tennis, and for some, even body building.
>Cloistered (G3) gender dysphoric boys appear to others and even to themselves to be heterosexual. Although as a group they are not especially active daters, they clearly prefer to date girls when they do date. Significantly, unlike other boys, their dating motives are markedly different. For these boys, being on a date with a girl is a chance to spend time with a girl in a way not generally allowed under other circumstances. Dating serves two purposes for these boys. The first is social, as it gives them the all-important appearance of being normal.
>>24910463
Jesus fucking christ just link the article and stop spamming the board.
>>24910284
The second is therapeutic. Being close to a girl's softness, and even her female smell, has a mitigating effect on gender expression deprivation anxiety. The fantasy is not to make love to her but to actually be her.
>The situation is less complex for girls. Having more social freedom in both their dress and behavior codes allows at least a modicum of dysphoric relief. Loose, gender-neutral clothing is typically worn to hide their feminizing bodies and there is little or no attempt to appear or act female. Many adult female-to-male transsexuals report having adopted a defiant attitude toward the world as a coping strategy. As with all teenagers, gender dysphoric girls must contend with emerging sexuality. These girls may go out of their way to dissuade boys from showing interest in them while being interested in other girls in a way that parallels that of heterosexual teenage boys.
>Early adulthood
>As more information about transition to one's felt gender identity becomes available to the general public, we are seeing genetic males with strong core female identities and genetic females with strong core male gender identities present in their early twenties with the clear objective to being sexually reassigned.
>The cloistered, natal males, on the other hand typically start to realize the seriousness of their dilemma at this age. It is common to hear reports of these individuals increasing the intensity with which they try to rid themselves of the ever-increasing gender-related anxiety. Many individuals paradoxically adopt homophobic, transphobic, and overtly sexist attitudes in the hope that they will override their desires to be female.
>The situation can become so convoluted that some gender dysphoric men come to therapy wanting, almost desperately, to be told that they are not transsexual. That would be understandable if they were simply confused and wanted to get to the bottom of their problem.
>>24910498
The link is in my first post, familia. I get the point, but I'll stop at the end of early adulthood.
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Unfortunately, their stated preference here appears to be more a form of avoidance of the fear and complexities involved in transitioning than it is an honest desire to remain men. For example, there are natal males who desperately want to have breasts but say they would be terribly embarrassed to have them show in public. There are others who wince at the thought of having a female name like Janice or Mary or Linda. There are also gender dysphoric males who think that the social behaviors that most differentiate women from men -- are frivolous and unimportant. Going so far as to believe that women are "less than" men and being embarrassed about wanting to be like them. Interestingly, these people have no trouble at all with wearing feminine apparel -- as long as they can do it in complete privacy.
>Perhaps the most insidious form of sexism can be seen in the gender dysphoric male who has attained a respected position in a male-dominated profession. These people routinely assert the common sexist attitude that although women are now allowed a certain professional tolerance, the real players are still men. As more people transition while continuing to work at the same position, these transsexual males see firsthand how public respect between men can quickly turn into private ridicule when a male colleague becomes a woman. Further more, some gender dysphoric individuals have confessed to participating in sexist jokes as a way to divert even the remotest suspicion from themselves. Given these seemingly unacceptable obstacles, many gender dysphoric males unconsciously accept certain male driven notions about women in an effort to purge the need to be female out of their mind.
>When these individuals are questioned further, it is common to see that they have a deep-seated, love/hate relationship with their inward need to be female.
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wood bang dont care what age it is
>>24910284
While they apparently need do nothing to keep the love side of that dilemma alive, the hate side seems to need constant care and feeding. The danger is obvious: As they see it, if they don't continuously think negatively about women, they might have to face the reality of wanting to be one. In essence, the sexism in this group serves as a cover, providing a convenient, and unfortunately a socially acceptable way to maintain denial.
>Another common attempt to "make it"- as a man by gender dysphoric males in this age range is to marry and have children. Unlike their non-dysphoric male peers, these men's attraction toward the idea of family is not the standard one. Some individuals report telling their partners about their life long desires to be female before getting married, but the vast majority do not, perhaps from fear of ridicule or rejection, or because they maintain the fantasy that marriage will provide a cure. Many clients report that they were sure that being a husband would cement their maleness. This logic, unfortunately, gets extended to the idea of having children. Although gender dysphoric males are generally no better or worse as fathers then the next man, they soon come to realize that what they had hoped would be an answer has instead complicated their gender issues enormously.
>In distinct contrast, genetic females who do not seek sex reassignment make little or no concerted effort to be rid of their gender dysphoria. Although they may be deeply disturbed by having acquired female secondary sex characteristics in puberty, many assume an androgynous appearance and affect outright male mannerisms. In larger cities, they may find refuge by taking active roles in the lesbian community and being involved in typically male occupations.
>Meanwhile, gender dysphoric people must live in the real world, being subject to the same developmental pressures as their peers.
That shit is child abuse
>>24910562
Developmental psychologists refer to the ages between 28 and 33 as a time when individuals reassess their dreams and aspirations. Mistaken interests, family obligations and career demands start to become serious concerns. For women who are reaching the later part of their childbearing years, their children are now in school or yet to be born. New decisions have to be made relative to the bulk of life that still lies ahead. When someone contending with a gender identity issue reaches this pivotal period, the pressures are magnified far beyond what others experience.
>Gender dysphoric individuals respond to this critical period in two characteristic ways. A growing number of people (those who have access to information and other resources) now go directly to giving serious consideration to changing their sex. After an appropriate period of psychotherapy and evaluation by a gender specialist, these individuals almost routinely go on to be physically and legally reassigned to the sex that more closely fits their inner sense of self. Others, who may also be aware of sex reassignment options, may find the idea too impractical or too frightening, deciding instead to entrench themselves deeper into life as a member of their originally assigned sex.
Anyone who wants to read the rest can just visit the link then.
>>24910457
And so what if it is a mental illness? They're not hurting anybody, are they? You know there have been very productive trans people, right? Such as Lynn Conway. And the John fellow in all that text I posted.
I'm started at 18
I hate myself for transitioning
But i'd hate myself if I didn't
Lose-lose situation
>>24910680
How feminine is ur dick?
>>24910698
How do I judge the femininity of an innately masculine thing?
>>24910717
Post it and we'll do it for you, fukkboi.
This reminded me I've been having this idea about old wizards (implies some money) organizing an orgy for robots and tranny robots. Like Sodom and Gomorrah but with intensified degeneracy and concentrated autism.
>>24910871
I'd rather not post that, I don't like seeing it
And I don't want to imagine the smell of that sort of thing.
>>24910898
come on qt everything about you is beautiful;)
>you will never fuck a tight gender confused loli in her boi pussy, making her cum in anticipation of daddy's eager attention
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>cissies don't know how to buy pills on the internet
lmaoing at your lives desu
>>24910992
This is how I got my estrogen desu
Mainly because the NHS literally take years to even see you
>>24906160
my only question here is what the genitals look like
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>CUTE
>FEMININE
>DICK
What the fuck is wrong with you, all those tranny faggot posts are freakin triggering me. Fuckin newfags go back to /lgbt/
>>24910675
why did you post this in the first place
>>24911199
>he doesnt want to take the feminine dick in his boipussy
baka desu baka desu senpai
where is that one trap with the blond hair with bangs
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>mfw the same dubs twice in a row
>>24910717
Is it smooth and hairless?
It's a feminine dick.
i'm no doctor or scientist so i can't say whether this stuff is a mental illness or not, however i do have the desire to be a girl.
the difference with me is that i won't bring myself to take drugs or chop my dick off, it's just unfortunate that i was born this way (or have this mental illness). i deal with it in other ways. i believe that the people who are willing to chop their dicks off and pretend have further issues than the identity of their gender.
>>24912612
plz repong
>Somehow, Boku Pico is becoming reality
>Normies are 100% okay with this
>>24913088
i'm more than ok with it, these sissygirls are so much better than women in every way
>>24913509
i'm so ashamed of myself that i got a boner from that
>>24913567
why be ashamed, they're so much cuter and eager to please than a typical roasty wife, much more worth rewarding with your cock and cuddles :3
>>24910680
why hate yourself for transitioning if it lets you be who you want to be?
>>24913812
because there's always the nagging thought that maybe one day it would have gone away and I wouldn't have had to turn myself into... this
>tfw won't ever live to see the day when the whole idea of gender is completely gone and everybody is pansexual and expresses gender how they choose
It probably won't be for at least another hundred years
>>24913864
>turn myself into... this
a qt? don't be so self-conscious, you're like 5000x harder on yourself than other people i guarantee it.
>>24914890
you're probably right, I pass from time to time, and I'm only on a tiny hormone dosage.
But still, there's always the voice in the back of my head telling me things are bad
>>24906160
Who is this? Where can I see more?
>>24914917
please post pics
original comment
>>24914982
people I know browse this board
n-no thank
>>24914917
ah yeah, well don't associate that voice with being trans, we all got that voice in our head nagging us that we're fuckups in whatever kind of way
You need to get the balance though. He started too early. His dick will be a shrivelled vestige. You want to start as soon as your balls stop growing, because studies have proven balls are more attactive to men than penis length. You also want to make sure your dick can make pre-cum because that turns men on too.
>>24913509
>girls
That's just a man in a dress, anon. Just accept it. I've fucked one too. Still doesn't make it a girl. Either way, both are pretty good.
>>24913634
Gay as hell. Slit your wrists, senpai
>>24907513
>tfw 22
>tfw too masculine
>>24912652
Small, pink, shy, delicate, with a bow tied around the head
>>24915788
I actually think you'd make a pretty cute girl. Glasses would help too.
>>24916219
The biggest issue is my hair. I don't have a clue what to do with it.
>>24916454
If you have any female friends, ask them. i know, i know it's r9k and you probably sit in your room all day, but yeah.
If you get it cut in a "surfer" style, you can easily change that to a girly pixie cut when need be.
who /cripplinglyAGP/ here?
>>24907373
just buy it yourself f4m. you're retarded if you're letting your doctor deny it for no good reason
>>24907464
>doctor won't give me pills because I have a health condition but they'll give pills out to those who don't have any contraindications
>HOW UNFAIR!!!! BAKA DESU SENPAI
>>24907583
same, except I don't want a family. sucks
>>24916454
grow it longer you dumb faggot
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>>24916219
OK, I'll take on that onboard.
Ill always regret not being on skittles prepuberty. I started when I was 27. I just look sorta andro now.
>>24918181
I'm 19 and started a few weeks ago, should I give up now and kill myself?
>>24918207
No, you started just before it was late.
>>24918207
I'm not that bad. Some people say I pass. I guess.
Id never go back to T.
Im so much happier on E.
>>24906160
That isn't even same person funny how so many people fell for it.
>>24916105
why not brown
>>24912652
I shave mine because it feels better.
this shit is fucked up and we shouldn't encourage it, hope you freaks get bullied endlessly and kill yourselves.
>Came out to parents at 16
>Wouldn't let me transition until I was 18
>Couldn't self med because my Mum is a nurse and would catch on immediately
>Couldn't run away because I had nowhere to go and didn't want to be another tranny who turned to sex work
>Ended up looking good, but can't stop looking at my height or my jaw and thinking about what could have been
I feel like I was just on the tail end of it being unacceptable and if I wad three years younger I could have transitioned when I needed to.
I'm worried I'll never be happy.
I started a few weeks ago and I'm 20
I know that I probably won't ever pass but that's not really my goal, I just wanna look decently cute for a while longer and delay gay death as much as I can, E is pretty based
>>24906160
FUCK YOU. I wasn't confident enough and I have now ruined my life.
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
>>24919403
you're being silly, literally never seen someone under 19 who started transitioning and turned out not a qt, there's always other stuff you can work on and improve aside from your height so focus on that stuff and dont stress so much
>>24906160
fuck off you homosexual
>>24920344
I know I'm being silly, anon. I'm stealth at work, I shouldn't be paranoid. But every time I look in the mirror there's just those few features that ruin my day.
And when my hair's out of my face and my make-up's washed off all I can see is the guy I used to be. I wish I could just see myself how everybody else sees me.
I'm worried that I'll need surgery on my jaw, brow, maybe even breast augmentation before I can look at myself and see a girl.
>>24918181
did you know prepuberty?
>>24919034
look at the facial markings f4m. it's the same person.
>>24907935
Nah. At least 60% of the regular posters here will probably one day have a child.
/r9k/ is dominated by late bloomers. While many users here are some combination of ugly, overweight, or socially inept, undesirable men still often find a partner. There are tons of unattractive couples out there.
Will most robots end up marrying beautiful woman? Certainly not. But they'll settle for a girl of a similar level of attractiveness and be moderately happy with them.
>>24906160
I took a long, hard look in the mirror today.
And I finally realised how unrealistic my dreams of transition are.
Suicide is one the table friends. The only purpose of life is to enjoy it, and ever since puberty I haven't enjoyed life at all.
>>24913634
post more qt traps please
