who /completely lost faith in humanity/ here?
>be edgy liberal
>believe that it is stupid to judge people by the color of their skinand still do
>believe other liberals are like me, people who can see through society's nonsense and challenge it
>discover affirmative action, triggers, power, privilege etcetera
>falsely accused of being homophobic, racist, sexist, etcetera just for questioning them
>clearly they are not what they say they are, just because they say they support a righteous cause does not mean they are actually good people
>side with the few people willing to openly criticize these things
>turns out UKIP and Trump actually are racist
I now realize everyone else in the world is insane and I am completely alone.
>>24862771
>being a liberal
>not ignoring race, gender, etc politics
>not a socialist who focuses on class inequality and changing society's mode of production rather than how many female CEOs there are or how much of this movie's cast reaches the minority quota
>>24862808
>>24862771
http://www.worldsocialism.org/english/introducing-world-socialist-movement
here's a site you can start out on
>>24862771
>edgy
>liberal
one of these things is not like the other
L I B E R A L S A R E C U C K S
>>24862849
everyone that isn't an aristocrat is a 'kek' buddy, liberal or conservative
>>24862869
>believing in the two party system
>>24862771
fuck off back to reddit lefty
>>24862869
>>24862906
i count nazis/fascists as conservative
>>24862771
Completely alone? No. In a tiny minority? Yes.
>>24862930
right wing, yes, but if you think it's conservative in a meaningful sense, you really missed the point.
>>24862939
liar.
most people think the same thing as OP. not everybody is a liberal/nazi caricature, most people have fairly nuanced perspectives
>>24862930
The political spectrum is 2 dimentional, not one.
I was once politically motivated and interested in changing the world. Now I don't see any point in it at all, as I either feel like I'm not qualified to making any statements about the subject, or I just don't see how I'm going to make a difference.
Lmao all these people reaffirming what OP is saying
>>24862998
Congratulations, you grew up. That's the only rational conclusion.
>>24862930
No shit they are. Just like communists/marxists/statists are liberal.
>>24862972
what do you define as "conservative"? i define it as any reactionary movement/system of ideas
nazism is conservative, as it relies on a heavy enforcement of traditional values, and it's very idealistic, theorizing that virtue comes from within (usually within a certain group of people), and that their objective view of "superiority" should be enforced by the state through eugenics, mass deportation, etc. it's economically liberal, and socially conservative.
>>24863052
but they're not
conservative refers to the whole spectrum of conservative beliefs. anything right of center is more "conservative"
liberalism is progressive, which means it's anything that's slightly left of what the system currently is like. if it moves too far from that system, then it becomes radicalism.
>>24863073
Because conservatives care more about financial sense than the fundamentalist strawman you believe in.
>>24863042
Probably, but it's not that helpful if I ever want to pursue anything in politics.
>liberals aren't liberals enough to fit in with the cool libs
>the movement is imploding
top sip
>>24863099
like i said, nazism is economically liberal (slightly right of center) and socially conservative.
>>24863115
No shit, but conservatives care more about the economy than you think. They also care about personal freedoms more than you think.
>>24862988
Most people's perspectives/opinions are utterly irrelevant due to the fact that most people are incredibly stupid/ignorant/selfish etc, and spend zero time or energy to cultivate any form of rational detached views. 95% end up parroting something that fits the class they were born in.
>>24863146
increase their expectations by increasing their standard of living, then when the system inevitably fails they will be heavily motivated to fight for that standard of living back
>>24863098
Way to move the goal posts for your own ideology. Is this seriously how liberals think? No wonder such a large group of people are you're so inundated in delusions.
So if it's conservative, it doesn't matter how conservative it is? But if it's liberal, it only counts as liberal until the point where you think it becomes too extreme, then you label it "radical"? Is it really so impossible that things can deviate from the center to a radical side on both ends of the spectrum?My post is serious, despite the picture. Humor just takes the edge off serious discussions.
>>24863146
also, >most people are incredibly stupid/ignorant/selfish
who's fault is that? is it human nature to be stupid/ignorant/selfish? culture is malleable, and culture stems from societal structure. if the societal structure inherently rewards stupidity (conformity), ignorance, selfishness, then the people are going to be ignorant, selfish, and stupid.
>>24863112
Why would you ever do that? There's better ways to scam people. Besides, if you do ever pursue something in politics, you just go with whoever's paying you and pretend you know what you're doing anyway. Plus, you'll get to the point where you've deluded yourself enough to actually believe you're qualified to know what's good for the world and you have a positive impact on it every day just by existing and being better than the citizens you control.
>>24863203
what are we arguing? i was saying most people are "keks" regardless of their ideology.
and, i see someone on the far right as a radical conservative, but i do make a distinction between liberals and leftists, because liberals tend to be pro-capital and leftists tend to be anti-capital
>>24862771
>falsely accused of being homophobic, racist, sexist, etcetera just for questioning them
Well done. You discovered that being a liberal is to be tolerant and accepting only of people who 100% agree with everything you believe, and anyone who has a differing viewpoint is a piece of shit. You aren't losing faith in humanity, you're losing faith in the retards who occupy the left.
We call this "growing up".
>turns out UKIP and Trump actually are racist
Its not racist to hate mudslimes and not want waves of immigrants flooding into your country. Because statistically these people's beliefs are completely incompatible with our values as a civilization. Pic related
Sure if you're native-born muslim raised to believe in western ideals, and you don't believe in sorcery... then that's fine. But fuck the rest of them, let them live in tents in the desert like the backwards barbarians that they are.
>Muslims
>A race
You left out the part where you're mentally retarded.
>>24863389
>implying people won't call you a racist if you say you hate muslims
>>24863362
>>24863389
What's the problem with Trump being racist? Stop being keks and own it. I'm voting for him BECAUSE he is a racist. I know muslims aren't a race but if you don't have autism you can tell he's the kind of guy who wouldn't let his daughter date a nigger.
politics are fucking retarded. people cling desperately to an ideology until it's put into practice and they start hating it more than the previous one.
then they find a new ideology.
modern humanity is a joke.
>>24863291
The political spectrum is practically infinite, depending on how far you break it down, and you're making it sound as if your ideology is the perfect one that the world should follow.
You're trying to make such a huge distinction for your own beliefs, and everything else is just white noise. When really, you're just another dot on the spectrum. You don't want to be grouped in with anyone who has bad ideas, because you're oh so perfect. It's understandable that you want to distinguish yourself from your political cousins, but at the same time you're not giving other beliefs the same treatment you're expecting from everyone else.
>>24863362
>>24863362
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
What do American Muslims believe?
Our 2011 survey of Muslim Americans found that roughly half of U.S. Muslims (48%) say their own religious leaders have not done enough to speak out against Islamic extremists.
Living in a religiously pluralistic society, Muslim Americans are more likely than Muslims in many other nations to have many non-Muslim friends. Only about half (48%) of U.S. Muslims say all or most of their close friends are also Muslims, compared with a global median of 95% in the 39 countries we surveyed.
Roughly seven-in-ten U.S. Muslims (69%) say religion is very important in their lives. Virtually all (96%) say they believe in God, nearly two-thirds (65%) report praying at least daily and nearly half (47%) say they attend religious services at least weekly. By all of these traditional measures, Muslims in the U.S. are roughly as religious as U.S. Christians, although they are less religious than Muslims in many other nations.
When it comes to political and social views, Muslims are far more likely to identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party (70%) than the Republican Party (11%) and to say they prefer a bigger government providing more services (68%) over a smaller government providing fewer services (21%). As of 2011, U.S. Muslims were somewhat split between those who said homosexuality should be accepted by society (39%) and those who said it should be discouraged (45%), although the group had grown considerably more accepting of homosexuality since a similar survey was conducted in 2007.
pretty interesting actually
>>24863451
never mentioned by political affiliation, every ideology has bad ideas
i just think this liberal = kek meme is a retarded way to coerce people into believing in your ideology, as you're trying to play on male insecurities to make naive people feel emasculated if they don't adhere to your viewpoint. (and many naive young men will feel afraid to stray from that section on the spectrum, as emasculation is typically number 1 on their list of things to avoid).
>>24863515
Why are you quoting this at me? I already said:
>Sure if you're native-born muslim raised to believe in western ideals, and you don't believe in sorcery... then that's fine.
Nationalism isn't wrong. People have a right to preserve the character of their country. France doesn't deserve to be swamped by non-french, non-europeans from the third world who adhere to a shitty religion which causes them to kill and maim wherever they go (10% of the total pop and growing rapidly). That's why the FN is winning in their country.
The UK likewise does not deserve to be swamped by Pakistanis who will rape and murder and commit horrible scandals like Rotherham; which they're incentivized to do now, because authorities are paralyzed with the fear of being called racist, and look the other way. That's why UKIP is making gains.
America likewise doesn't deserve to be swamped by mestizos. There are dozens of non-white hispanic countries south of us. Only two where anglo-whites are the majority. This is why Trump is making gains.
Deal with it. Also egalitarianism is a lie.
>>24863606
Both sides are retarded. My point was just that you, like pretty much every other liberal, are quick to point out when conservatism is retarded and yet vehemently protect your own ideology when people try to point out why liberalism is retarded.
Memes are just a modern strategy of people trying to control each other. The liberals = c.ucks meme is actually way smaller than the memes that make conservatives look bad. Liberals constantly play the victim, like they're fighting against the system even though they have far greater control over it than conservatives.
>>24863231
Humans are stupid (limited cognitive capacity, processing power - whatever floats your boat) relative to the complexity of the issues we NOW encounter. Not suprising considering we've spent 99.9999% of our evolution running around in the trees, killing eachother over food and vaginas. At least i am aware of this and how subjective even my most thought through opinions are, can't say as much for the majority.
No you just discovered the difference between progressives and liberals.
Although in the US they are conflated as the same thing.
The thing is progressives are collectivist who are all about identity politics and actual liberals are individualist who are actually for personal liberty.
There's NOTHING WRONG with being racist. Muslims make up 4% of Britain's population but make up 14% of Britain's prison population.
The people of Britain belong to Britain, they have thousands of years of history there and they all share one culture so there's minimal conflict. Why should the UK subject it's citizens to crimes by the hands of foreigners and fear a massive terrorist event every few years?
>but muh structural oppression
Well, they can stay where they came from, that way white people won't oppress them and everyone is happy. It's not whitey's fault your home country is garbage.
>not even white, just realistic
>>24864023
Not to mention 3% of the UK's total births, but 30% of UK's total birth defects. They marry first cousins and become more and more inbred as they live in their own isolated little communities.
That's not what I call multiculturalism.
>>24862771
Go to /pol/.
>I am typing this so I can be original.
>>24864138
There's tons of evidence that pakistanis are just genetically broken from the generations of inbreeding. They're shitty people. They don't need to be there. They add nothing.
>>24863281
>There's better ways to scam people.
Anything legal?
>>24864524
Most scams are legal. It doesn't become illegal until people realize they're getting scammed.
>be edgy liberal
>believe that it is stupid to judge people by the color of their skintopkek
>befriend nigress in one of my classes
>she steals shit from me
>denies it even after I confront her with irrefutable proof
>go to the police
>she gets arrested
>has her nig friends try to jump me
>>24864567
Well, scamming people would require some serious smoothtalking though, and the complete lack of regard for your fellow man. Politics, when done properly, is just exploiting the system.
>>24865227
Are you saying that it doesn't take some serious smooth-talking and a complete disregard for other people in order to exploit the system as a politician?
>>24862993
I've seen models that go up to four, but it's probably not something that can be accurately models.
>>24862771
neither trump nor UKIP is racist.
They just understand how religion and culture effect who you are and whether or not you are a good or bad person. Whereas others believe they are as arbitrary as the color of your skin.
Judging on the basis of ones beliefs and actions (culture and religion) isn't the same as judging on the basis of race at all.
