Two years ago, Safyre Terry's father and three younger siblings were killed in a fire caused by arson. She was found next to her father, who used his body to shield her from the flames.
In addition to suffering from severe burns, Safyre lost her right hand three months after the fire, and lost her left foot in March. She's had dozens of surgeries and her next one is Jan. 5
>god exists
ahahahahahhahahaha
go on religiousfags, try to defend this.
and I care why?
This is what happens when you burn.
>>24842179
she was gonna grow up to be Hitler
Why? Just why, man?
>>24842179
Agnostic here, BUT God doesn't intervere where there is free-will at work. It was someone's conscious choice to start an arson, not the work of God, and God could not stop that person from doing that. Whatever happened after that was nature and laws of physics working. One could argue that her survival was a miraculous work of God, but for me it was also work of free will, her father's conscious decision to save her, dying in the process.
So yea
>human does thing
>other human does other thing
>GOD IS TO BLAME
grow up
I was born in a small village, I was still a child when we were raided by soldier, Foreign Soldiers...
shes probably greatfull for being born....kek
>>24842278
she would be better of dead with her family than this tortured hellish existence of pain, medication and surgery
god doesn't get to claim all the credit for good things while taking none of the blame for the bad things. either he's responsible for all of it or none of it.
we live in a world where children burn to death in house fires or get cancer or get blown up by landmines or starve to death. i guess it doesn't matter to you if you never experienced it, but somewhere out there some child and their parents are suffering indescribable agony either for no reason at all, or because GOD WILLS IT.
neither thought is comforting.
its not gods fault you egotistcle breeders bring children into a world you know is broken....b-but muh desires
>>24842278
>and God could not stop that person from doing that.
Lets call this new line of theist defence "the weak God theory."
>>24842278
this is not agnosticism.
>God doesn't intervere
> there is free-will at work
>God could not stop that person from doing that.
agnosticism is uncertainty
>>24842179
>Bad things happen so a higher power cannot exist
>>24842179
>god exists
He does and he's just like me: Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of homour.
>>24842351
>either he's responsible for all of it or none of it.
as I said, on that case, none
>because GOD WILLS IT.
Following the logic I used earlier, most things that happen are some kind of product of someone else's choices. A government that causes a famine, or an arsonist who burns down a place. It was someone else's choice to place a landmine and so on. To me, God does nothing about nothing. He is not to blame or to thank for nearly 100% of things.
>>24842418
We are not puppets of God, this was on the Bible, he gave us free-will, he can't force you to be good or not shoot when you have a gun to someone's head, this is how he finds out how good you REALLY are
>>24842429
I said I am agnostic, but I was explaining how the notion of God tends to work, at least in Abrahamic religions
>>24842449
>intelligent
>homour
>>24842179
>I don't believe in god because he isn't there to prevent things that upset me.
Awww... Do you feel the same about not having a gf?
You literally have no idea what religion is about; typical atheist.
>>24842552
The same argument is used by Ivan Karamasov in the Brother's Karamasov.
Would you say that Dostojevskij had no idea what religion was about? Was he in your opinion, a typical atheist?
>>24842179
>if god existed i'd have a gf and a million bucks right now
If god does exist hes a cheeky cunt.
>>24842618
>Dostojevskij IS his characters
>appealing to authority hard
>>24842650
Ivan Karamasov is portrayed by Dostojevskij as highly intelligent and highly knowledgable on Christianity(more so than the average christian as is noted in the book).
>appealing to authority hard
are you upset that your fallacy was countered by mine, and you were exposed as a fool?
>Atheist using a little girl's suffering to push their agenda
How low can you go?
>>24842179
it's like they didn't use magic stem cell water to save her extremities? wow, another case of medical malpractice
maybe her vagina is still good and someone should diddle her to at least give the little girl some hope
At least she'll find a nice Katawa Shoujo fan to marry
>>24842278
>God doesn't intervere where there is free-will at work. It was someone's conscious choice to start an arson
There's no free will, so this defense doesn't work.
>>24842179
She's going to overcome her adversities, get some cool job and also write a book that gets made into a Lifetime tv movie, and she'll make a lot of money and buy herself a husband, much like rich ugly Hollywood men do, and she'll be happier than any of us with our unburned flesh and still living fathers or fathers who died normal non heroic deaths.
God works in mysterious ways, faggot.
Any information on how to get this ghoul as a companion and what the carry weight is? Not sure if its worth having since I have the lone wanderer perk
>>24842351
oh shut the fuck up about muh chillens muh landminez
you don't give a single fuck about those people. kill yourself.
>>24842693
>your fallacy was countered by mine
>straight up calls what he said fallacy
>talks of Dostojevskij like a fangirl talks of 1D
>Forgets that Dostojevskij was a robot-tier bitter fag
>Thinks God's work is to save you from everything all the time, control everyone's free will to only do good and perceives a deity as a big thing that created a smaller thing, and not as the omnipresence logos that has all the universe contained into itself.
>"GOD SHOULD GIVE ME WHAT I WANT LIKE A WAITER WITH A SILVER PLATE!"
>>24842749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca7i-D4ddawIt's a video
>>24842749
>There's no free will
> arson
There you go. Man caused this.
At the end times God will make her whole and make her one with her family again. The arsonist will burn in hell.
Check mate gaytheist
>>24842179
What're you looking at, Smoothskin?
>>24842792
There isn't. The idea of free will is incoherent.
Either our actions are causally determined (meaning in any situation in the past, we could not have done otherwise), or they're determined by acausal quantum events (meaning in any situation in the past, we could not have done otherwise of our own accords without the intervention of an acausal quantum event, which we were powerless to cause because acausal quantum events can't have causes).
Assuming God exists, even he could not have free will. If he knows the future, he knows exactly what he will do, meaning he cannot do otherwise. He cannot change his mind; his course is predetermined.
>>24842490
He'd still be a God who isn't omnipotent and isn't omniscient. You simply can't have a God who allows free will, and a God who knows absolutely everything and can do absolutely everything. In order to have free will, God has to limit Himself.
As a Christian, absolutely none of this stuff holds up to our current understanding of reason and logic. Either we go with the cop-out "mysterious ways", or we admit that we just don't have an answer to these problems and maybe we'll never have one.
>>24842777
There is nothing I love more than cornering a narcisist in an online discussion, then watching him attempt to contain his anger.
Physician heal thyself :^)
>>24842905
>let's cop out real quick after being BTFO twice
POOR FUCKING GIRL!!!!! IF THERE WAS A GOD, HE"S CLEARLY DEAD
I'm going to built a timemachine and become god
>>24842921
>BTFO
that mess of a post blew me out how?
I cornered you.
You thought you get could just get off by attacking the credibility of OP while ignoring his argument(known as ad hominin fallacy)
I made you aware that this argument actually held a lot of weight, even among the most knowledgable christians.
There is no way out of this situation. You made yourself look like a fool, all I did was point it out.
>>24842179
What are you looking at smoothsin?
>>24842490
>We are not puppets of God, this was on the Bible, he gave us free-will
The Bible says no such thing and shows many instances of God interfering with so-called "free will" (the term did not even exist in Biblical times, so far as I know).
>And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
Exodus 9:12
>And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Romans 8:28-30
Nowhere in the Bible does it say "And the LORD gave man "Free will".
>>24842977
>calls guy out on ad hominem
>Eagerly jumps on "appeal to authority" fallacy
>calls himself fallacious
>appeals to authority more
>is called out again
>complains
btw I'm not the first guy you were talking to
I'm: >>24842650
He was: >>24842552
>>24842990
glad someone said this
>muh free will
its not even in the bible
besides it doesn't make any sense. God knows what you will do before you even do it, right? So where does free will even fit in?
>>24843056
>it's not me
If you are telling the truth, you are simply a little aggressive and weird.
If not, then atleast you have realized your mistake and now feels shame for it.
Either way is fine with me.
>>24842179
>a le atheist posts about the "Problem of Evil" like he has found the ultimate criticism of Gods existence.
>>24842777
>>talks of god like a fangirl talks of 1D
>'Oh boy did i tell him!'
Not to say that other faggot is wasting time arguing like that but do go on, that is what i check out this board for
>>24843126
>le book of le job meme
Then there is no reason for you to pray
>>24842869
You appear to believe there is some kind of predestination at work within what people choose on their lives, which we know is not the case. All the time we look back and say "good thing I didn't do that", remembering a situation in which we were very close to choose something that would not turn out well. It's like the free-will talk about the human body's functions, that we are not completely free because we are controlled by bodily chemicals, which is wrong since it's impossible for on organism composed of mere chemical reactions and toxins to understand it is composed of that, it's brain's power can not be bigger than itself.
Also, there is the thing with God's omniscience. He knows everything that could happen in the future, but where the human free-will is at work he just is not able to know. In "Jonah", for example, he wanted Jonah to go to Nivineh and spread his word, but even himself did not know that Jonah was trying to depart.
>>24843169
>>talks of god like a fangirl talks of 1D
1. He straight up called Dostojevskij as if the man knew everything about the world.
2. I don't even believe in God.
>>24843181
Explain how you came to that conclusion.
>>24842179
One more Fembot into the world
>>24842872
The Abrahamic God's "character" was based a lot on how he used to "break" his own rules all the time, and from the beginning, in Genesis, he just wanted a couple of humans in heaven, but as they acquired knowledge from the forbidden fruit, he released them on the world. The point of God giving the humans free will was to watch they committing good or evil for their own. God's knowledge extends to what is currently happening, and what he thinks people will do, but sudden human action enters his way. On the Bible itself, he was frequently surprised by human actions (Cain, Jonah, Judah)
>>24843190
>You appear to believe there is some kind of predestination at work within what people choose on their lives, which we know is not the case.
We don't know that that isn't the case.
>All the time we look back and say "good thing I didn't do that", remembering a situation in which we were very close to choose something that would not turn out well.
We're looking back at the past and making a hypothetical scenario out of it. That doesn't disprove determinism.
And even if the universe and our lives weren't predetermined, that still wouldn't give us free will.
>>24843099
>If you are telling the truth, you are simply a little aggressive and weird.
yes
>If not, then atleast you have realized your mistake and now feels shame for it.
no :^)
>>24843056
>>24843214
Ah right there is more of you. My comment still applies when directed at the >>24842552
guy, kek
>>24843214
Dostojevskij was very intelligent, a tragic genius.
but that is besides the point, it's not like you can fully appreciate his genius anyway.
the point was to make you admit that your original comment was stupid. by placing dostejeskij in place of OP, I forced you to reconsider the prejudice you comitted.
>>24842990
>>24843062
Man was made based on God's image and likeness, differing from animals exactly on the fact the human mind was capable of working for itself (on the Bible, animals are considered servants to men). Several times, not only with humans, God is surprised by the actions of others, such as Lucifer, Cain, Jonah, Judah and so on. God knew all that happened on the world, but he could not foresee the actions of Lucifer when he betrayed him, of Cain when he killed his brother, of Jonah when he departed from his mission, or Judah when he sold Jesus' life. All of these resulted in chaotic scenarios, with Lucifer being sent to hell and banned from heaven, Cain being cursed by God, Jonah being forced to go to Nineveh after nearly drowning, and Judah, interestingly enough without intervention of God, suiciding out of guilt.
>>24843295
On that case, if determinism is real, it's completely impossible to prove or disprove it, and it's very well hidden into our reality.
>And even if the universe and our lives weren't predetermined, that still wouldn't give us free will.
Care to elaborate?
>>24842179
At least she's not burning in hell yet.
>>24842179
>wants big daddy government to rule over every moment of his life from craddle to grave
tok puck.
>>24842179
Did you die and went to the next world and was shown why God brought every misfortune in history? No? Didn't think so.
People should know that when ever some dingus spews this garbage, its all just to test the Lord's elect.
>>24842179
>she's going to get a bf and we're still going be sat here with no gf
feels bad man
also there is a god he just hates us for no raisin.
uh...did the dad have an italian grandmother or something?
I'm gonna send her a nice christmas card 2bh and maybe a little money for goodies.
>>24842449
>homour.
>>24842351
>muh children
go fuck yourself CNN
>>24842179
>I don't understand the necessity of balance between chaos and order for the greater good.
People like you are the worst kind of aethists.
You don't even know how humans work, and you stunt progress because peace and love are "good," when in reality too much of them cause stagnation.
>>24842777
>>24842650
>>24842552
Literally this.
>hurr bad things happen fukk god!!!11 CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN
grow up OP, you sound like a 13 yo bitter edgelord
She will grow up to hate smoothskins
So if you're kid kills someone it's your fault? This is what people like you are saying.
When in fact, that's wrong. Someon chose to do the "henious" acts, such as killing, arson, or stealing.
>>24843126
This right here. Every time. Please stop embarrassing everyone and read some philosophy.
Her father was covered in jailhouse tattoos.
Had recently returned home.
His wife's youngest kid had a black dad.
Perhaps his humiliation was too great and he burned the family and himself up.
Kid will have live with the scars of her mother's disgrace and he fathers shame.
I wonder if she will become a stripper or do porn when she becomes a teen.
The problem of evil, how could a truly benevolent God allow evil to exist?
Well the answer is and always will be free-will.
You have multiple choices at every moment, some may even threaten the lives of other people but you will be held accountable for every moment you have lived when you die. The same thing will happen to everyone, it is your perspective in life that dictates if it is heaven or hell.
>>24842179
thanks for ruining my day, asshole
>>24844735
There is no free will. And even Godif he exists, and his hypothetical existence is irrelevant anywayhas no free will. The universe is a clock without a craftsman.
>>24844735
Why does a benevolent God allow a child to be killed by a hurricane?
>no free will involved
>checkmate
>>24842278
Free will is bullshit, the whole bible is the collection of stories where god fucked us up.
>>24844809
Ever been to a music festival? Or gotten laid?
>>24842179
The girl is better off dead, if it wasn't for human interference then she wouldn't be alive as some fucked up abomination right now.
>>24844854
>muh endorphines ergo fuck logic
>>24844840
The lord works in mysterious child-murdering ways :L
>>24844854
how is this relevant?
>>24844961
Then it is a mysterious God, not a benevolent God.
>>24843494
Why is God built like a man? What purpose would God have for a body of human proportions?
Pls explain.
>>24844995
Well we don't even know what actually happens when we die, you are obviously assuming that when this child is killed, that's the ultimate untimely end. Perhaps this is not so, and the child is actually better off dead than having to suffer another moment on this dreadful planet?
>>24844531
>So if you're kid kills someone it's your fault? This is what people like you are saying.
If you build a robot with artificial intelligence and consciousness, program it to be capable of "making choices", and then it "chooses" to kill 500 people, are you in no way responsible?
![jean-paul-sartre[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Wg2gKoq.jpg "jean-paul-sartre[1].jpg")
>all these cowards who hide from their freedom by claiming it doesn't exist
>all these spineless worms who try to shirk responsibility for their own actions by attributing them to powers beyond their control
>my eyes when
>>24844316
Yeah because burning children alive is what causes progress you fucking shithead
>>24845071
Except the same applies to the other side. They don't know either so they can't say it's a benevolent God can they?
>>24842179
>Safyre
she was fucked from the start
>>24844959
>>24844980
It isn't evidence in itself, but there are experiences within these events which I would consider 'super-natural' and can't just be explained by 'Improves incidences of successful copulation'
>>24845122
I cannot will what I will, Jean.
The truth will win out, even with all the mass murder, slaughter and propganda in the world we are constantly edging towards a brighter tomorrow. You might feel like a meat popsicle with no spark of divinity to speak of, but that is only because of the way you have chosen to view yourself. Change your perspective a little and you will be happier because of it.
>>24845324
Ahh, but can you will what you will whether you will or not, that is the real question.
ABLOO ABLOO BOO HOO, PROTO STACY WONT GET TO SUCK HER FIRST CHAD COCK BY THE AGE OF 14, CALL THE PWESIDENT
>>24845066
no one really knows, but it is said he made man as his image. It could be just his psychological image maybe
Good thing she has a stripper name.
>>24842179
>Child's life is completely ruined forever due to dramatic injury
>Saving her life while simultaneously turning her into a walking monster
>Not euthanizing her to put her out of her misery as she is no longer fit to be part of this world
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who thinks the Romans had the perfect method of dealing with shit like this, just killing them.
>>24845963
>implying she isn't better this way
literally a solid 7/10 desu everyone who says she's ugly is just afraid of being judged
This whole thread is under the implication that an omniscient and omnipotent being that supposedly exists OUTSIDE of the realm of human comprehension (Quote any religious book really) would conform to human logic.
>>24844840
Natural disasters are not inherently evil.
>>24846056
Everyone in this thread is retarded yes, as always on /r9k/ nobody has a clue what they are talking about. Doubly so for religion and politics. It's good ground for a burgeoning rhetorician to blow the fuck out some idiots though.
Face looks pretty bad, but it looks like she's still got some good skin on her arms and legs. She'll be fine.
>>24842179
THAI BOY GOON ONE YOUNG NIGGA
Honestly, you could say God did this to show you how fucking lucky you are.
This is what they would say in the old days.
That was before they rewrote everything to make it more happy.
There is no reason you should believe there is a kind God.
You can believe in God but you can't believe it's a benevolent one..
>>24842179
I hope I can be that good of a father some day.
Another brainless sissy retard.
>>24842179
>name your daughter Safyre
>get smited
There you go.
>>24846222
*smitten
>>24842449
Lmfao, new faggots don't recognize
>>24842179
Yeah, but how did her pussy turn out?
>>24846247
Thanks bruv, was wondering about that actually.
Not an argument.
Study theology or get out and back to Reddit.
>>24842749
False.
>>24842618
Dostoevsky was an extremely devout Orthodox Christian you dip, using ANY character of his is pure ignorance.
>>24842872
Wrong, study the Scholastics you backpedaling dip.
>an absolute being is bound by logic
>reason exists
>>24842179
i dont know why but im slowly losing my edge. shit is sad yo
>>24842179
Makeup. That is all.
>>24844995
Don't project your petty morality onto a perfect being.
>>24845122
Satre is an irrelevant hack.
>>24846247
**smotten
***smatootten
smacked the fuck out
>moralfagging
>not making dank memes
>>24842179
>God's doing.
>Man's doing.
Clearly you don't know the difference.
>>24842179
She will be compensated in heaven beyond measure if she can follow gods commands.
>mfw theists and atheists bicker amongst eachother
>>24846667
While agnostics just smile.
I think most 4chan users are religious because they think it's culturally significant, they disprove of the same things as the religion, or they don't want to associate with the fedora meme. Not because they think it's sound reasoning.
>>24842179
fucking roastie got roasted, good
>>24846720
They act religious because a lot of 4chan's "rival" sites are irreligious, like reddit and tumblr. It's purely for the purpose of being contrarian. Barely anybody on 4chan besides /pol/tards actually believes in magic sky wizards.
THE BODY I'VE LOST
>>24842735
No way, man.... That's no Hanako. The 3D Katawa Shoujos are pig disgusting.
ROASTIE GOT TOASTIE
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>>24842179
katawa shoujo lied to me
>>24842179
normally I'd feel bad but honestly I'm glad this happened. Fuck this cunt little girl. I'm sure she'd grow up to be an entitled cheating whore, she deserved this
>>24842323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcK0DsFw-RA
>>24846333
>Don't project your petty morality onto a perfect being.
>>24847911
what a delusional manchild
>>24842179
>She'll still have dozens of beta orbiters
>>24842179
earth is hell
>>24848324
>make nonsense
>now one with lucifer
>>24842179
Life is Suffering.
Existence is Pain.
Fear is the Mind-killer.
>>24842179
Firstly, the arsonist is going to hell unless he does some serious repentance, so there's that.
Secondly, God never once said that all humans will be treated equally, some of us are given greater challenges than others, it's a simple fact of life.
Lastly, our eternal reward in heaven for loving God and loving others, even when we are suffering on Earth, far outweighs the suffering itself. Just imagine how insignificant your life on Earth will seem after 100,000 years in heaven with God.
In the end, most suffering is a result of human awfulness in general, so instead of blaming God, take a good hard look at yourself first.
>>24842179
God creates life as punishment
>"OMG why would God let bad things happen to people"
>>24842179
>god creates the universe and says if you're peaceful scientists you can eventually bring back dead people and live forever
>something bad happens
LOL HOW CAN GOD EXIST IF SUFFERING EXISTS LOL CHRISTFAGS 0 ATHEISTS 1
selfish desu senpai
>>24842233
Double dubs have spoken
>>24842278
There must be evil for good to exist
>>24849532
>after 100,000 years in heaven with God.
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/65-17.htm
>is going to hell
http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-14.htm
>>24842179
And tell me how this disproves God's existence?
People who hate on Christianity are ignorant as fuck. And, at the same time, you can't even blame them. Western Christianity is diluted as fuck, and it reflected American goals(or idols, in Christianese). God said that your body will be kept from physical harm. God never said that injustice won't happen. Does God approve of those things? No, he doesn't. Why do these things happen? Because there's sin in the world. Or in other words; the ruler of this world, satan, is still prancing around until the time comes.
>>24842179
The passage where Odysseus talks to Achilles, literally the chad of his time, while he was in Hades always gets me. He laments the fact he is dead and would rather be a wizard but alive than a dead chad.
survive and live kid, better be an alive aberration than a dead chad.
>>24849871
>Because there's sin in the world. Or in other words; the ruler of this world, satan, is still prancing around until the time comes.
This guy gets it.
But its not forever. http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-12.htm
>>24849877
But other Ancient Greek writers had a different ending for Achilleus: he goes to the Isles of the Blessed. There he lives in paradise and has a qt Medea wife. I guess which ending you choose is dependent on your perspective, just like real life;^0
