Any neets make music?
>>24832658
Yes, and it's absolute shit
>>24832878
Fuck off, you've never listened to some boss NEET beats. Currently listening to some robocore.
I tried making an anime ost once. It just ended with racist gibberish and masturbating to dxd.
>>24832925
No, you misunderstand.
I'm saying MY music is shit.
I'm sure others' are better.
would like to but lazy and poor
How do I get into producing music?
I have zero musical skill, but I really wanna learn how to mix pre-recorded instruments and shit to make soundtracks for a game I'm making in my spare time.
>>24833045
Clams Casino made his stuff on just a laptop, without even a midi controller.
>>24833060
This. Most of his work is mainly sampled off other songs
>>24833060
though I should probably use them as practice for composition, mixing, etc. I don't want fake instruments
My music is shit senpai, but yes
>>24833059
just download fruity loops or ableton, you should be able to figure out the rest
HEY SENPAI I GOT THE FIREST MIXTAPE DROPPING 2016 BE READY FOR IT
It's not that hard. I torrented FL a month ago with absolutely no experience and made stuff a few people enjoyed. Had to look up a shit ton of youtube tutorials and webguides
https://soundcloud.com/annedrank
how do you guys stay motivated? ive been using ableton on and off for almost 5 years and im still not happy with what i make, then on top of that i hear like 16 year old kids producing better music than ill ever be able to.
making music makes listening to music so much harder.
>>24833163
It's a chill hobby and it feels good when you get done making something
>>24833163
>making music makes listening to music so much harder
This is how i am except i havent even started making anything yet. Everytime i listen to an album i really like ill be into it for a little bit but then get a little depressed because i know ill probably never make something as good at it
i've been getting into writing MIDIs, it's pretty fuckin cool
You're not making music if it involves a computer.
>>24833247
just die
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey2_-pJnKnI
>>24832658
Yes, been writing since I was 14 and the stuff I wrote then was pretty terrible. Not sure if it's any good now or not, it's up to people to decide, I guess. It's probably still bad.
yes, I make some but it's shit-tier. Getting a pair of speakers quite soon and an audio interface, so that should help bump up the quality of my production. Right now its just a laptop with fruity loops lol
>>24833247
L O W Q U A L I T Y
this isnt spam 4chan pls
>>24833233
You shouldn't let that stop you from writing, though. We all start writing shit, but the faster you sift through the bad stuff, sooner or later you'll get an ear to get to the good stuff.
>>24833247
i agree with this unless you're actual making something from scratch. computers are editing tools. you cant just open a program and put some premade stuff in then say you made it
Been producing for 5 years. I use Ableton. My music is still shitty as fuck. Making music is hard. https://soundcloud.com/callmecanadiandave/ambience
>>24833163
>how do you guys stay motivated? ive been using ableton on and off for almost 5 years and im still not happy with what i make, then on top of that i hear like 16 year old kids producing better music than ill ever be able to.
I just do it for fun. I need no motivation. I just like to see how close I can get to making something decent. Even if the overall result is shit there's always some interesting parts to the music I make.
>>24832658
I used to make weird electronic music in fruity loops when I was 21-22 back when I took a lot of psychedelics and had no job.
I recently tried to get into Ableton but shit is waaaay too advanced for me. You need classes and hours upons hours of tutorial videos to get anywhere, I just don't feel like dedicating that much time to it unless I know I'm going to produce it for a living.
>>24833139
your songs are pretty decent especially if its only been a month since you started
I want to but I don't know where to start. Got any tips? What software should I get?
>>24833987
Ableton live is a good choice. It runs on both mac and pc.
>>24832658
Yes, and it's depressive.http://soundcloud.com/broatian/saki
OUR LOVE CAN LAST FOREVER
WE WILL GROW STRONG TOGETHER
https://soundcloud.com/arp-poison/yoy2/s-bFrCW
I've been writing songs for a while now probably near enough 3 years, whether they're any good I don't know but the people who listened to them seem to think so.
This is the first verse of one of my favourite songs I've written.
He goes out to lunch with his friends
Or at least he calls them that
He knows what's said behind his back
They all think that he's a twat
He knows his wife has another man
She got bored with you real quick
He's got a bit on the side as well
Someone young, hopeful and thick
>>24833139
you've deffo been using fl for more than a month or you're just very talented
musicforthisfeel gave me feels t b h
I tried but learning proper composition alone is impossible. I tried looking for retired composer/professor in music for private lessons or apprenticeship (however you see it) but couldn't find any.
The difficulty ramps up like in that dwarf fortress picture. Learning reading, even harmony is easy. Form, motivic development, as well as the ability to transcribe things you hear on paper with decent accuracy is not.
>>24833163
It's legitimately the only activity other than eating and sleeping that doesn't feel like a waste of time.
I started recording last year using Audacity(free) and just a $10 computer mic, somehow I was able to make it sound decent and even got compliments on the production quality through soundcloud.
>>24834118
that would be awesome in a garage rock sum 41 ish style
>>24833411
this is good, ph4mm0
your tracks are good tb h
>>24833247
I actually use a computer to input traditional music notation for orchestral scores in Sibelius and then take the MIDI from those and put them into Reason to make the MIDI play higher-quality samples, add vocals, and mix. I agree it's not ideal but for people who are not great multi-instrument performers or who can't hire a band or orchestra computers can be a low-cost option when making traditional music. I personally make symphonic metal... writing it from scratch in Sibelius...
>>24833311
Arrangement is an art unto itself.
Are you gonna claim that composers aren't really making music, because they don't invent their own instruments?
>>24834312
yes, they're not playing music or technically making it. they're making the idea of music for someone else to do
>>24834364
So, how is that different from an electronic music producer?
They simply make the idea for their system to play it, no? Also, producers do invent their own instruments, ever heard the word "sythesizer"?
>>24834383
synth players are musicians though if you're actually creating something by playing it. i dont know what the ones with a pc and nothing else do. if they never played a note then it's not their music. same goes for sampling. inserts are fine but if you straight up just aren't making anything new it doesn't count. anyone can arrange premade sounds. you wouldnt say you made an original movie by splicing the frames of another movie into a different order
>>24834383
>muh producing
pleb.
>>24833163
yeh i can relate. i've been using fl studio for 3-4 years, but i can't stay motivated to make anything good. i fuck around with it very often, but i just get bored with it so fast once i start
yea but like >>24832878 said. I don't have equipment to record instrument (I used headphone jack to mic input but it comes out static-y) so i just make music in programs. but it usually comes out bland because I don't know how to eq and suck at mastering
it's mostly just making the song i get a 'high' feeling, and then listening back to them is nostalgic
I'm always seeing these threads but never any about actually playing an instrument, what the hell.
https://soundcloud.com/kinglionofficial
juss fuck me up senpai
>>24834413
>anyone can arrange premade sounds
Everything is sampling at the end of the day, you know?
All sounds already exist, all sounds are premade.
What a C-3 is is mathematically defined, it will always be the fundamentally same sound.
The overtones might change, those are defined by the instrument you're playing your C-3 with, but the C-3 is still a C-3. It's still the same sound used with the same intent (i.e. it sounds like a C-3).
>i dont know what the ones with a pc and nothing else do
A PC can synthesize as well, what do you think a synthesizer is?
>>24834421
>muh virtuosity
lmao
>>24834644
i dont have a problem with what you do. just dont say you "made" music. a computer did hun not you ;)inbf your guitar and keyborads made it not you
>>24834677
This is not about me,this is about your retarded meaningless argument.
>>24834695
just do it, you dont need my approval. just dont call it music, it's more of a computer game. nothing wrong with playing games of course!
>>24834644
>everything is sampling at the end of the day
If you actually practice at an instrument, you can create music that's not contrived.
>>24834716
Again, this is not about me.
Where are you even getting the idea that I am doing anything like that from?
>>24834733
Yes, but you are still using premade sounds.
Sounds the inventor of the instrument made.
You're sampling those sounds, you're not making your own.
>>24832658
sometimes...
https://soundcloud.com/inaquietplace
>>24834761
people like you are stopping musical creativity if you really belive this listen to one octave on a loop for all time since everything's been made before. or better yrt use the random octave generator so you can hear very sound already made arranged for you in random orders since since you want to hear the arrangement of the same sound
>>24834787
>people like you are stopping musical creativity
Not at all.
Acknowledging that all sound is borrowed is not a bad or uncreative thing.
Think about musique concrete.
>>24834761
No i'm not, I can take a cheese grater to my strings and destroy your half baked ideology.
>>24833247
Le try hard 90's kids. Tell it to Reddit
>>24834816
Then do it.
But the sound of a cheese grater hitting strings has existed long before you borrowed it.
What's the best music maker for a first timer to pirate who doesn't have a mac
>>24834824
people play music on a instruments
people play games on computers
you play a computer your playing games
sorry familiar
>>24834861
>l think making electronic music is mashing up random samples and then pressing a blend button
>>24834835
Prove it
ogibawsh
>>24834883
Bach did the same. it's called layering.
>>24834838
FL is for noobs. Learn Ableton from the start.
I have amazing ideas in my head but I fail to make them real in fl studio
>>24834974
This is the main hurdle for a lot of producers I think.
>>24834583
>Oliver Asadi
>Altofts/Leeds
You just dox'd yourself, kid. Are you half arab?
>>24834939
thnx famery
>>24835029
my bad I guess and persian
>>24834939
Ableton fags still try to act superior for using a fucking daw... they're both the same. FL is just more accessible with their plugins.
>>24835150
I've used both and I think FL just teaches you bad practises from the start. Sure, FL can be as good as most other DAWs but in the hands of a noob they will learn bad techniques. Also almost all of the tutorials on FL that you find on youtube are of worse quality than Ableton tutorials.
>>24835197
>worst quality than ableton tutorials
Please explain why you think so
I bought on old ass violin from a resale shop because it looked cool, but I couldn't fix it. I started listening to a bunch of classical music so I decided I wanted to learn. I bought a beginner violin and I've learned enough for a grade 1 certification(which is really nothing).
I'm looking into getting lessons. It's just for fun, it would be nice to be able to play some of the pieces I enjoy and I learn a lot about music theory along the way.
>>24832658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2XdurjpzQ&list=PLDgd3W__NHCY5W3pfT3d4OzjwSkXDRWef
>>24833163
Try listening to more music.
Try making sketches (spend 1/2 hours a song and try to have it almost finished) -- you will improve much faster
Try to think through things logically.
Understand most kids use sample packs which include very high quality samples and loops, however they probably couldn't make stuff from scratch for shit
>>24835231
From what I found they are less in-depth than Ableton tutorials. Most of the FL tutorials I could find relating to the genre I make (psy-trance) were just: Click this, set EQ at Y, set your knobs to these settings, etc. They were more oriented to copying a sound rather than explaining the process and functions of the knobs you were twiddling and allowing you to create your own sound.
>>24832658
digital > vinyl
>>24835090
You seem well off judging by the pictures of your room on your twitter account
Are you NEET or do you work?
>>24833541
>>24834130
Thanks. Glad you guys enjoyed
>>24833311
Unless you've written all the parts. Programmes the synths, modulated them, processed them. Spent thousands of hours picking out drum hits and writing beats with them... What do you think people did before using PCs / laptops... They programmed synths and drum machines... Which are also computers.
>>24834413
Dude. Look up what jungle & drum and bass are. Those genres are entirely made from sampling and synthesis. You simply can't say that isn't making music
>>24834861
1 load up ableton
2 plug in keyboard
3 write parts
4 record
Do same process but just write midi parts (no different from what a composer would do as they can't play more than one instrument at once.
How is writing music not making music. Your argument is so full of illogical statements it's funny. Conceited much?
>>24835357
Dude. The knobs aren't just fake looks for "twiddling" around they're actually used as you know knobs to adjust to the exact setting you would need for something like sidechaining for example that requires you to correctly adjust your drum patterns with the tempo by using the knobs. Dude honestly I don't even know why I even replied to this but I was already in too deep and its hard to keep.
>>24835357
You need to be intuitive with the techniques they are using. Sub upto 100hz kick 60-1000, bass 200-700, keys 400-3000+ snare 200-3k pads up high and your percussion all over the place but general pretty high. All these are just guidelines though. Try breaking some of these rules and see what happens. Sometimes you just need to use your ears and forget about some of the hard and fast rules for things. By all means copy sounds but use that as a starting point to experiment with them further... What happens if I drive this pad through a distortion plugin, and peak the fuck out of it using feedback and band pass filters then slap a limiter on that then carve out holes using more filters for movement?? That's when shit starts getting interesting and you'll realise you don't need a lot of these specific guides anymore. Also get your sounds straight from the source - of your going for acid lines but a fucking 303 or it isn't going to sound like acid. Same with a guitar. Use sound design wisely. Then arrange.
I'm a fingerstyle guitar player, American Primitivism (in the vein of Fahey), but I've never recorded anything. Can't afford a decent mic.
When I feel like I've got enough material for a full album, or at least an EP or even just a fucking demo, I'll splurge and actually record something; right now, I'm content with the occasional open mic.
>>24835150
Abletons workflow is just so much more efficient. This has been widely recognised by anyone who knows what tie stuff for a long time. All your midi interfaces just plug and play from one shortcut menu. You can route anything from the mixer to your outboard gear. The inbuilt plugins are actually incredible for learning everything (sound pretty sweet if you can process then well) there's a shed tonne more quality learning info out there and more books. Also. Push.
>>24835672
Just lo fi it pal that stuff can sound ace
>>24834883
>>l think playing games is mashing up random samples and then pressing a blend button
>>24835591
>>24835637
I was just saying I learned a LOT more about music production after switching to Ableton. Like I said, more in-depth stuff, rather than just using samples and presents without much processing, which is what most FL producers seem to do.
>>24835512
>playing with a keyboard
this is acceptable, carry on
>>24835708
And be lumped in with all the other "bedroom indie" hipster faggots?
I don't think so, hoss.
Ableton is great for shilling out lazy ass ambient or fake shoegaze where you don't do anything but used presampled sound effect packs and add a single kick every minute into the "song"
>>24835708
one of my friends recorded low-quality guitar and i flipped it into a hip hop track, that's always a good trick
https://instaud.io/fNW
i'm not claiming to be a good hip hop producer but there it is lol
>>24835723
it doesn't seem like a DAW problem so much as a user problem
>>24835727
Writing music for an orchestra / band means you have to write the parts.
When you use a computer you are writing parts using midi. Then you record this. The computer generated the tones and records your automation. It is still making music. Ask any uni professor and they will say the same thing. Yo are very confused and seem desperate to discredit things you don't understand. You are simply wrong. You will learn one day though. If you perpetrate this same argument in real life you are going to get laughed at a lot by people who know their shit
>>24835723
LOGIC PRO MASTERRACE
FUCK YOU AND TOUR SHITTY WHITE ABLETON
NO ONE CARES
LOGIC PRO
>>24835788
>climbs onto high horse
>>24835391
neet juss finished uni
>>24835736
Lol. Just a suggestion. You aren't going to come close to what a proper producer can achieve If you don't start somewhere. You'll never be able to afford what the big boys play with. What's wrong with being creative? Also... Why label a bunch of people who are doing stuff they enjoy and loads of people love. Some of these people make really interesting esoteric music.
>>24835813
more like lo-shit haha got em
also yall link me ya soundclouds, i want to follow you guys
>>24835813
People love logic but I've found it has one of the most disgusting uis ever invented. It's like they wanted it to suck as much as possible.
>>24835853
But you just described ableton
>>24835815
It's not my fault your too stupid to understand basic logical principles.
>>24835863
Haha it's all subjective I guess. Different strokes for different folks. The midi routing is more solid though in logic right? I've heard it's got a pretty cool modular section in it too
>>24835747
Hells yeah. Randomising clips / automation sends = instant ambient / noise music. Record your own samples and do that + learn max for live inside out and mash it up with a monome wired to pure data. Ain't so shitty anymore senpai
>>24835357
>psy-trance
Might as well just speed up some berghain techno tune and slap reverb on top.
>>24835817
Too many are four chord dick heads trying to get their dicks wet, pretending to be sensitive and creative while shitting out drivel any first week guitar player can do.
Sorry if I actually want to perfect my artistry, and record it properly, to give it proper justice.
If I'm going to pour my heart and soul into something, with the intention of exposing it to the public, then I'm going to do it right, and if that means I have to save up money or pay for some professional studio time, then that's what I'll do.
>>24835964
more like sigh-trance lmao!
>>24835964
Hahhaha this is so wrong
>>24835965
i mean could you not record poorly now AND record well later? it's not like doing what you can now prevents you from doing better stuff in the future
>>24835973
>>24835973
you wish
https://clyp.it/opy2napx
>>24835983
I record with my laptop mic (only mic) occasionally, but it's more a note-taking process and sounds like complete shit.
More just to try and figure out where I should take the piece, next.
>>24835986
holy fuck did you put like 5 reverb plugins on that at the same time?? got damn i don't think you could have put more reverb on that
>>24835916
no its still shitty and requires less work than that cover art you photoshopped either of a marble statue or dark secluded trees and then you shill out pictures of obnoxious sluts like bjork everywhere and become a tripfag and race to the top on every soundcloud thread where idiots will blindly rec the first link they see
>>24835964
That sounds nothing like psy-trance.
>>24835965
- the you find out they used sm57s and recorded it into a half broken tape deck to make it sound good. LOL
>>24836118
Except it doesn't sound good, at all, and it's just more of the same "I'm a shit artist and this is shit art and you're supposed to like it because it's supposed to be shit don't you get it" pretentious bullshit that's sunk its teeth into absolutely every single artistic medium, all just to create a culture for these filthy plebeians to circle jerk each other off.
>>24836021
Haha you've never heard decent music before then clearly
>>24836169
Check out this guy... Aphex twin. Or autechre. You are so wrong lol. Some of the dullest recordings have no noise or artefacts in them. A clean sound doesn't always mean it's going to be good.
>>24836101
it kinda does.
it's very minimalist, you can always throw some other shit on top, if you want.
>>24836169
I bet you wouldn't be able to tell if some top notch producer had layered their sounds with gritty textures from lo fi gear... Oh wait they do this literally all the time...
>>24836191
>>24836214
Yeah, see, I'm talking about actual music. Made on an actual musical instrument.
Protools and mixcraft
I make beats for normies and help them develop their songs
>tfw alcoholic and drug user
>tfw all I do is get high and drunk and work with normies
Deep down, I want to kill myself because I'm a pedofag and I know I'm a shitty person because of it. Why is it so unfair to a family to give birth to someone like me? It's not right.
Also will post a beat if people are interested.
>>24836169
Because good art bows down gracefully and let's technique and expensive equipment put it in its place. Go the fuck to school
>>24836235
Go for it! What stuff do you like making for yourself?
>>24836237
Good art shows good technique, and needs to be replicated with the same skill. You can't possibly hear every nuance of a chord, with shit recording practices.
Good art is not i-iv-v sappy nonsense recorded by a toaster.
>>24833163
Don't listen to it until the end or do it live, I kept on running into this issue where I would over work tracks in the wrong places and it was completely killing me. I've found the less fucks I give the better tracks I get because I'm actually having fun well doing it.
>>24835965
Why not both simplistic and masterful by routing through the English 60's folk scene? With dudes like Davey Graham, Martin Carthy, Nick Drake, those Leo Kottke Records where he sings, or Acoustic Zeppelin? Like you can get your ego and your dick wet that way.
I want to start making music. Mostly for myself. What program do I use? What music should I listen to? Where's a good place to learn?
>>24836308
I dunno. Just off and on rap beats and some chillwave stuff. It helps gets the anxiety of being myself out and gives me a creative outlet.
>tfw Chad is my best friend and helps me in an attempt to get me out of my depressive runt
>>24836345
Minimalism, always remember that rock and roll should really be called minimal pop because music went from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdbAYcKfPxY
to
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PotB76gi2_4
It's also important that some of the best reviewed rock is 2 chords or 1 because it's all you need.
>>24836801
Learn an instrument first. If if that thing is a turntable.
>can play piano a bit
>zero creativity to make music
>zero motivation to git gud and play classical stuff
>>24836859
>muh minimalism
>rock and roll
>good
>le Elvis XD
You're not making very good arguments.
I downloaded a program but i couldn't figure out how to make the sound i wanted.
>>24836201
Clearly you know nothing about psy-trance or electronic music in general.
yeah I'm selling beats on YT, I'm getting some money from it.
>>24837231
>being a producer
litrally kek
