I have some questions for the MGTOW or just guys in general who have no intention of getting married or having children.
What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever? What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future? How are women going to support children without husbands? Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
It's not like we have other options.
You can adopt, you know.
Gays exist too, you know.
At what point did you think we had a choice in any of this?
The MGTOW people can sing a different tune but for the rest of us, do you actually, honestly think any of us want to stay alone forever?
>>24808863
its whatever nigga
>>24808863
I'm not MGTOW, but I'm pretty jaded about the whole dating thing. I don't want to play the bullshit courtship games of the 21st century until i'm 28 or 30 only to get a slut (reformed or otherwise) wife that will expect me to raise some other man's offspring and expects me to be some kind of prince that follows her arbitrary rules. What gains are there from warping myself to fit their ideals? Marriage is dead. Stable families are dead. Children before 30 is dead.
>>24808974
>honestly think any of us want to stay alone forever?
I do. I never found being 'alone' being this torturous ordeal, I much prefer it.
Society has betrayed us. Repeatedly, and every step of the way.
If another person continually fucked you over, kept stabbing you in the back and denying you such basic human rights as happiness, love, security and well being, would you still help him? Even if despite all this he demanded your support and tried to guilt you and called you selfish?
I wouldn't keep taking it, just forgive it all over and over, and make an effort to support him. Why should I act any differently towards society?. Just be thankful I choose not to respond to society the same way I would that person who betrays me; by taking up arms and responding in kind with a vengeance.
I'm not MGTOW, but I also believe I am not the only person who feels this way.
>>24809142
You aren't statistically relevant. The vast majority of robots would very much like a gf.
>>24808863
I don't consider myself MGTOW.
A lot of us men, do wish to have a family someday, but its a two way bad street; some women have their standards super high and some other men do end up dating... In the end it won't work out because she wants to date someone better, or either one of them cheated/mistreated their partner...
>>24808863
I don't owe anything to women or society. Stop being so entitled
>>24809234
>>24809002 , here. I remember reading some editorial or blog post about young 1st worlders. In essence it stated, "Young people aren't taught to fix things, and therefore they aren't capable of working through a marriage." I'd hypothesize that misreading isn't really the problem so much as the inability to see marriage as "imperfect" from their perspective. Either that or they just don't value marriage.
>>24809230
>The vast majority of robots would very much like a gf.
But would you get married is the question.
>>24808863
Fuck your welfare bitch nigga.
This dystopian nightmare is 100% caused by men supporting women with children out of wedlock.
Like shit, bitch. There's birth control and abortions. Ain't no excuse for you to have kids if you can't afford them. But then your slovenly ass can't even help but shit out more of you.
And so then you tax us. Because if you can't hook Tyrone for child support, you'll kek the entire goddamn nation.
>>24809213
>Society has betrayed us.
No it hasn't. You're just another idiot who thought society meant that you were entitled to something.
MGTOW is actually MRTLOO: Men Reframing Their Lack Of Options
>>24809254
>>24809294
stop assuming OP is XY you cuklords
>>24809230
Wanting a girlfriend and wanting to get married are two very different things. Even MGTOWs still go on dates with girls, they just don't get married or give them any money.
>>24809345
>le ebin you cant get a girlfriend meme
>>24809365
you're insane. we're here for a reason.
>>24809365
>le I could totally get a gf but I'm actually not going to by choice maymay
You're not fooling anyone and nobody believes your stupid excuses or attempts to blame everyone else
>>24809408
>attempts to blame everyone else
Please enlighten us how we're blaming anyone for anything.
>>24809400
Yeah I'm divorced. We're not all here for the same reason.
>>24809345
As time goes on, more and more men in record numbers are not getting married, remain single, don't get jobs, and generally just opt out of society.
You're delusional if you think it's just by some random chance, a trick of the stars, that for the first time in known history all these men in greater and greater percentages, are all at fault and all themselves entirely to blame for their conditions. What's more likely, that from 100 years ago to today, men just magically for some reason decided to start opting out of society after having supported it since society existed? Or that society has changed?
We are products of our environments.
>>24809345
>another idiot who thought society meant that you were entitled to something.
And yet society is entitled to something from me? I am not entitled to anything from society, but society is entitled to me supporting it?
Only an idiot would play this game.
>>24809454
get out then and circlejerk on reddit about terrible ex wifes who you decided to marry
>>24809494
Nah but you can go back to that circlejerk outside this thread.
>>24809490
This. Social contract is a two way street.
Beta males only kept working because they were guaranteed wives and families.
Let's see you niggers keep things running when 70% of men aren't working anymore. And don't think you can just ignore it.
Because if you ignore it, then those betas turn into suicide bombers and terrorists.
What, did you think the middle east's problems are religious? You're a fucking moron.
>>24808863
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I will contribute through scientific research
>>24809345
I'm a Chad and it's that experience that makes me want to avoid marriage like the plague. I can have sluts whenever I want and marriage is a losing proposition for men. Promiscuous women are biologically unable to be happy with monogamy, why would I ever sacrifice my freedom and happiness to get nagged by an increasingly salty old woman? Oh and if we ever divorce she gets a payout for life (alimony) so surprise surprise guess what she ends up wanting to do? It's like the government put a bounty on marriage- if she kills the marriage she gets a reward. It's not hard for her to convince herself that she's just 'not happy anymore'. A girl I fucked recently seemed innocent and nice so I didn't use a condom, then she told me without shame that she had a foursome a week ago. Turns out it was just three dudes running train on her. In the next sentence she talked about wanting to get married soon and raise a family. This is a 2015 woman. College educated, liberal, and a giant whore. She goes on three or four tinder dates per week, sometimes just for a free meal but hooks up with most of the guys. That's between 100 and 200 new dicks per year. She's 28 and started fucking in high school so do the math. Have fun putting a ring on one of these turbo sluts when she's 'ready to get serious'. You think you can ever keep her happy after she lived a life like this? Even a Chad has no chance to replace the thrill of that continuous new dick infusion.
>>24808863
women destroying marriage and male-female relationships through their strong and yndependent feminism are the truly selfish ones here. mgtow is simply a response to this.
keep in mind that it's the women who refuse to reproduce, not the men.
I have a girlfriend but no intention of ever getting married, and since I do not live in America parenting laws are fair, so there is no such thing as "baby trapping", men are given the same time as baby with mother and the only payment is if choosing not to see child and look after
So no worried about having chill I want a hill one day but maybe not bow but no marriage because I like to have other girls on my penis
>>24808863
Bait, but I'm bored. I don't plan ever dating or having sex with anyone.
Only thing society ever did was casting me out. I owe them nothing. Not like I will earn much ever so you can feed poor addicts who make dozens of children.
I didn't ask to be born, you can't make me do something I didn't fucking ask for.
>>24808863
children are annoying as fuck, and 99% of women are whores today. sorry but i'm not falling for the marriage meme and would much rather spend money on sport cars and hookers. maybe beta fags will one day finally realize that while their wife is "out" she's actually taking 5 black cocks in her ass.
>>24808863
>What is your plan?
My plan is, was, and always will be to become and remain a normal, productive and contributing member to society.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
That is no longer my choice to make. I sit here working my life away and spending my money on the things I need to live, and accumulating what small amount I literally cannot spend as preparation for the future. All the while I seek an end to being alone that doesn't come. Whether or not I stay alone forever, is not my choice. It is simply impossible for me to progress when being being a productive and contributing member of society capable of providing for a family, is no longer the requirement for a partner. I can and will work my life away for the good of society but will remain alone because the requirement for a partner is beyond my reach.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I work and spend my money. If there was some way I could provide people as well, while being unable to find a partner, I would contribute that as well.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Why would I be qualified to answer that? I have no idea how women are going to do that.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
I am doing as much as I possibly can. If it burns, it won't be because I wasn't contributing my time and effort and funds.
>Isn't that selfish?
It does sound rather selfish. It is not my choice to not fulfill all the requirements of society though. If I could, I would without hesitation.
>>24808863
Yes, we should stop reproducing and end the cycle.
>>24809292
>>24809355
Most of all robots would want and be happy with a gf. Most of all of those robots, would want and be happy with getting married.
>>24809781
tfw you'll never laugh at the absurdity of your son accidentally being Hitler 2.0.
>"dad, what so funny?"
>Just the 6 gorillion
>"huh?"
>I love you, son. just keep removing kebab and the jew
>"ok dad"
>>24809815
>Most of all of those robots, would want and be happy with getting married.
Bullshit. Stop projecting.
>>24809547
Actually they probably will be able to ignore it, with machine/automated/robot workforces around the corner.
I wouldn't be surprised if the western first world in around 50 years, is just a few top males fucking all the women who are all supported by the state, while all the work is handled by machines. All the men that weren't considered desirable weren't supported by the state, and couldn't get jobs because of the automated workforce, so they literally all just starved to death and died in poverty or fled to third world countries.
>try to get a gf
>women attack you
>try to be alone
>women attack you
You can't win senpai.
After being in a 2 yr sexual realtionshit with a women
I don't think I ever want to deal with even the prospect dating/or marriage
Ever again
Too much sacafice for bullshit
>>24809345
Robots are the outcasts of society, the social rejects.
It may be the robots fault that they got cast out, but society can't then turn around and call them selfish and demand support from them after casting them out. The society that casts the robots out, isn't the way it is (that is, the kind of society that does cast robots out) because of the robots. The society became that way on it's own, and the robots by ironically enough just being themselves, got cast out for it.
It's like setting a house with a robot inside on fire, and then blaming the robot for burning to death.
>>24809888
Machines can't replace everything now. Machines will mostly replace menial jobs like cleaning shit or flipping a burger. Those scientists and doctors and engineers and shit will stay.
>I have some questions for the MGTOW or just guys in general who have no intention of getting married or having children.
shud be laff
>What is your plan?
work, get house, save money, die.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
probably.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
abstract mathematics
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
government appointed husbands
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
I am doing things.
>Isn't that selfish?
it's more selfish of you to want to take the things away that I've earned, that I freely share with the people that I do keep in my life
>>24809834
Not a modern marriage.
A traditional stable marriage with a virgin or similar level of experience traditional wife, which doesn't have the risk of unhappiness or a bad divorce or cheating, with the overall intent to live together and have kids.
I don't think it's projecting to say most robots would want that.
>>24810048
Well modern marriage is all we have now so yeah, you're gonna have to deal with the card that society handed us.
>>24809991
They can limit who gets those jobs though, and allow only the desirable men to them. Or hell, even women can potentially do the advanced jobs, leaving the desirable men with literally no responsibilities other than fucking all the women.
Also it's worth noting sadly enough, that MOST robots are not and never will be scientists, doctors and engineers.
>>24810028
I hope you really do work towards some greater understanding in mathematics.
>>24810082
There are plenty more jobs than that though. Really its just the jobs you shouldn't be at anyway that are getting taken over. I doubt robots could kill more than even 1% of the job market, there's no threat of losing your job if you're doing something worthwhile.
>Crashing this plane
>Yes, i'm a big guy
> I'm here to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny!
>here's a reason why this prison is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every single woman who has ventured here over the centuries has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to freedom. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope.
>The fire rises
> I'm *necessary* evil!
>>24810154
>I doubt robots could kill more than even 1% of the job market,
I don't want to just say you're wrong outright, but I think you might be misinformed about even conservative estimates based on current technology, over how many jobs machines will take.
>>24808863
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
Done what, senpai?
>>24808863
Plan is
>Graduate University
>Get a low responsibility job that leaves me at least 5 hours of free time a day
>Get a comfy, humble studio apartment
>A good (at least decent) desktop
>Play video games all day and play music
>never get a wife or children or go out
>Eat cheap and healthy food, just for one person
>Live the comfy life, occasionally doing psychedelics if I can get them
Fuck the rest of society; It doesn't need me anyways. My dad is sad that this is my plan and insists that I will change my mind.
>>24810322
this is the perfect plan and every robot should be following it.
>>24810322
My dad thinks it's rad that I'm gonna be a hermit. Get a more open-minded father.
>>24809408
I'm seeing someone. I don't plan on marrying until at least 35, if ever. Currently 23. Also I avoid paying for shit like death itself.
Stereotypes are fun but r9k is normie central now homeboy
>>24810422
The thing is, living isn't as expensive as you'd think. It's just that living in "misery" (Which is what this lifestyle would be to other people) is awful, so people spend stupid amounts of money. I might even get a rat or a bird as well to keep me company and lift purely for pleasure and functional strength.
>>24810449
My dad just doesn't understand. He's rich and successful and very hard working, plus he has been a pseudo-Chad all his life. He's just worried about me. The irony is, he's also living alone and mostly stays at home (The difference being his house is huge and he has one night stands a lot and enough money to eat out whenever he wants and not cook)
>>24808863
Main plan is to not get married or have children. I'm not MGTOW, but I am asexual and can't stand children. On top of that, i've seen how relationships change people, how people lose their sense of self and independence when in a relationship. While for many people this is a great thing, it's never been something i've liked, and i'd never put another person through any of that. From there I realized that I not only didn't ever want kids, but never wanted to be married either.
Money will be spent just as I do now, buying things that I enjoy, and on the friends that I care about.
Everyone's future is their own, it's not my job to provide anything for anyone or any future, the desire to do so is one that is perpetuated by society, not something inherently ingrained in human identity. It's possible to break free of the "need" to conform to what is said to be a biological instinct and live as you please.
>>24808863
>contribution to society
Go fuck yourself mate.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I still provide with my taxes but other than that none I guess. The world is overpopulated anyway so there's no worry about that. Also why should I care about a society that wastes all my taxes on wars or letting mudslimes leech off us. My grandad worked hard his whole life and now look at where the society he supported has went: I'm not gonna be another sucker
>How are woman going to support children without husbands?
Government. If a mother doesn't have a father supporting her she'll just use the government. If you look at voting patterns in mothers those with husbands tend to vote conservative (so their provider the husband can provide better with lower taxes)
And single mothers overwhelmingly vote for socialist candidates so their provider the government can provide better
>Are you going to just watch society burn when you could have done something?
I question how much I could have done.. I won't really make a difference doing what I do and neither would the whole of mgtow. Seeing as it's ingrained in our dna to reproduce and raise kids it'd be fucking rare if any more than 10% of young men became mgtow. Honestly this welfare state is gonna collapse on itself anyway
>isn't that selfish?
Yeah I guess it is but so what? Women are constantly selfish but once a man who gets treated like nothing but a utility his life wants to be selfish they get fucking blasted for it. I understand it's a product of evolution: women being selfish and it's okay because they must be protected and men must provide and protect them so if you're a man doing anything else you're whipped back on the plantation but I say fuck the plantation. If anyone knew what this site was about and knew you went here they'd all call us fucking faggots anyway so why try and care for civilation when they don't give a fuck about us
>>24810154
There's more than 1% of the job market just in Driving/Transportation jobs alone, and they're all going to be some of the first jobs to die.
>Cab Drivers
>Delivery Drivers
>Truckers/Bus Drivers
>Train people
IM GOING TO DIE ONE DAY
JUST LIKE YOU
IM FINE OH FUCK YEAH BABY I FEEL FUCKING GREAT
>>24811055
>Cab Drivers
>Delivery Drivers
>Truckers/Bus Drivers
>Train people
Good riddance. Now I don't need to deal with Patil's stank while he listens to Mujab Hajib songs.
>>24808863
It's no more selfish than an animal escaping a predator, leaving it hungry.
Yes, I very much look forward to mass immigration and degeneracy destroying the west.
I can only hope that it happens towards the end of my lifetime so I can remain relatively comfy until then
>>24808863
Why should I care?
I've got friends, I can pick up sluts in the club, I have vidya, I have a car.
What the fuck do I need a nagging wife and whining kids for?
>>24811086
Cool, but you're going to have to compete with Rajiv for whatever jobs are left. The time is coming where the only jobs left are the social ones, dominated by women and chads, and the rest of us will be unloved neets
>the memes will be dank af though
>>24811143
Prepare for riots and domestic terrorism.
When men got bored and aren't able to get jobs or families shit starts getting blown the fuck up very quickly.
Look at the 1920-30s.
>>24811143
Not really, it Patil could do what I do he wouldn't be a cab driver. Patil is going to go on welfare and leech off everyone's money when he loses his job to a robot, then we'll all be paying Patil's bills.
I don't want a kid or a life partner. I wanna spend any money I make on myself and my passion. Driving is the only thing I enjoy in life besides vidya and fapping.
People in the past didn't give a shit about the future and we are their future. So I don't give a shit about the future generations. I don't give a shit about society either, there are too many people in the world anyways and there aren't many solutions to that other than nukes or just not breeding.
My plan for when my parents who are the closest people for me die is that I will take a loan, get a nice car and crash and kill myself.
Fuck people.
My plan is to stay alone and watch the world crumble. What are you gonna do about it? What? Nothing? Just as I thought. stfu then.
I'm a 37 year old Cardiologist andvirgin.I will never get married, or have children. At this point in my life I can get a woman but they would just want me for my money so I've chosen to withdraw from the dating game. I wouldn't say I'm a MGTOW, I mean I've only found out about them recently and I've had this way of thinking for a long time now. We definitely share concepts in common though but I wouldn't call myself a MGTOW simply because it's not something I preach or have looked that deeply into. I'm just a guy trying to not be fucked over.
You could make the argument that I'm just bitter because I couldn't get a woman and when I was younger you would definitely be right, not anymore though. I've had plenty of offers since but I've no interest anymore for varying reasons. When you're my age and you're single and successful, the dating pool is mainly just older single women and single mothers. Women who ignored me and are only really looking my way now because of my security. I'm nothing against that, it only makes sense to look out for yourself but I'm not going to line up for you. I'm not bitter towards women, I just want to live for myself.
>What is your plan?
Live life for myself pretty much. Women can do whatever they want and so will I.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Yeah. I've never been against being alone, I've never had a problem with it, I'm happy with my financial and personal freedom.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
My career is contribution enough. I don't need to provide any more.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
By themselves or using the government like they're already doing.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
Society doesn't have my back so why should I have society's back? Society can do whatever they want, I just won't be part of it.
>>24809991
more importantly machines will not buy the shitty products they produce like the dumbfuck proles do now. less shekels for the 1%
>>24811474
>I'm a 37 year old Cardiologist and virgin. I will never get married, or have children. At this point in my life I can get a woman but they would just want me for my money so I've chosen to withdraw from the dating game.
Oh my god, I'm so afraid of this, holy shit. I am right, damn it all, tfw not gonna have a qt daughter to dote over or a son because i know she's just around for my money and financial support aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>24808863
In a capitalist society, my only responsibility is to consume.
>>24808863
>What is your plan?
I'm just going to follow the hollow pursuit of making money.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Probably at this rate.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
My tax payer dollars. Not like I have a choice since I can't really find anyone to procreate with.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
It's not my problem since I don't/can't fit into the role.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
Probably. Society's ills are not my problem.
>Isn't that selfish?
Yup. Not like I care anymore though.
The main thing scaring me about marriage and kids is commiting two thirds of your life with the same woman. Do people really happen to find their soulmate around the age of 30 and decide to spend their entire life raising a family with one another? I wouldnt mind having a kid if the wife agreed to separate later on and raise the kid between us on friendly terms.
>>24811781
Love is just a scam
I make my own money to use how I want if I want to, I'm not going to let a dumb bitch steal my hard work just because I signed a piece of paper to marry her then a month later suffer for the rest of my life
Thanks for reaching me those wise lessons Gucci Mane
>>24811474
Chiya a cute!
>>24808863
>plan
get a bachelors degree havent planned further than that
>are you going to stay alone forever?
im a half-psycho with good social skills, i could get a gf but deep down i hate everyone
>contribution
taxes
>how are women support children
social security and betabux
> are you going to watch society burn
belgium here, everything is fine here except for some extremist idiots. this country isnt going to 'burn'
>>24808863
Yes/None/Not my problem/Yes/yes
>What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever?
unless i find the right girl, i'm not going to settle for someone i wouldnt be happy with
> What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
i don't owe society anything
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
not my problem
>>24809612
What country is that?
Why the fuck is that comment not original
>>24808863
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
nothing at all, obviously
>implying one must "contribute" to society
>>24809230
>the vast majority of robots are failed normalfags
if that's true, then they need to GTFO
>>24808863
Who or what makes me owe anything to anyone? The who woul be the government enforcing contracts and the what would be a delusion that makes me think contracts should be enforced because it's "bad" to lie to , deceive, or manipulate people. There is no inherent truth to "you owe X Y". With this having been said, I'll take as much as possible from society and give back as little as possible to society.
I don't do this out of hatred for the whores that call themselves normal women and the leeches that cry they are in need of assistance, I do it because I am myself thus I should only help myself and of courses there are no universal laws that state this is wrong. Perhaps the best thing is most people would reject this for they are moralfags so these idiots only help me with their illogical rejection of the truth.
Also, fuck /r9k/ for not allowing me to use curly quotes.
>>24810322
My father has a similar thought process. He tells me we exist to perpetuate the existence of the species. Sadly he doesn't understand I as an individual couldn't care less for the collective.
MGTOW here
Don't know if anyone else posted
>What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever? What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future? How are women going to support children without husbands? Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
Everything you mentioned doesn't matter, I don't have to provide to anyone and I can still contribute(or not) to society
And I don't care if the world burn since I would be already dead at that point, everything end, I'll spend my time and money on myself.
No plan.
Probably.
I buy things.
I don't care.
Yes.
Who cares?
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Probably
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
Greasing the gears of a capitalist economy
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Not all men exited the dating pool. I'm just one person, to every one of me there are a lot of men looking for girls
>>24808863
My plan is to build a decent robot gf to my specification.
>>24809888
If I got fucked like that I'd live in the woods and kill noirmies for food/money.
>>24809743
I agree, fuck kids. I don't care if humanity dies.
>>24809951
This too. Women seem specifically designed to make you feel like shit. I know. I've had gfs.
>>24810028
I'm fucking burnt out on math. I was going to do a PhD in combinatorics. Probably just be an actuary now.
>>24810322
My Chad friend is doing this too and his dad supports it. My dad is cool with it too. We're probably grabbing an apartment together.
>>24811116
Would be cool if there was a nuclear holocaust while I was on my death bed.
>>24811474
That blows man. I'm getting at peace with it too, and don't really care about being alone anymore. I didn't know there were weeaboo robot doctors. But I'm not super surprised.
>>24813368
I'm an American and think Belgium is pretty rad. In a lot of ways Europe is more free than we are besides gun rights. I think some laws are dumb and then hear they don't exist in a lot of Europe.
>>24808863
you know it's possible to support children and having a loving relationship with a woman without being married, right?
>>24808863
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
I have no intention of living long enough to see that happen
>>24808863
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
The society is burning down because of
1) Consumerism. People consume resources of 1.5 Earths, and most of them doesn't even live the super-consumptive western middle class life yet.
2) Overpopulation. Normies breed.
Feel free to check the math yourself http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2013/09/the-real-population-problem/
People that do not consume excessively and do not breed are actually doing what they can to save the civilization.
>>24808863
>What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Yes that is the plan.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
Nothing. I don't give to a society that gives me a pile crap and says its my reward.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Maybe Chad should pay child support. Otherwise the government should take the kids.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
Society deserves to burn. The only way to fix it is to burn it all down and bring up something from the ashes.
>Isn't that selfish?
Women going around partying all throughout their 20s having sex with hundreds of men and expecting to settle down with me in their 30s because I have a career and house is completely selfish of them. I am not going to raise their bastards they can all go to Hell.
>>24815813
Once sexbots with some intelligence to them are developed, women are fucked. As attractive as possible because it's built to my liking, no chance of acquiring STDs from it, it does what I want it to do, its costs consist of occasional repairs and electricity, it won't produce any annoying bastards, and my appearance will be irrelevant. No wonder feminists oppose sexbots.
>>24815189
This. If you want to be a normalshit so fucking badly, get started and leave already.
>>24815957
sexbots is a stupid term
androids can provide much more than raw sex
Otherwise you are right
>>24808863
>What is your plan?
Join the army, get out, go to college, get job related to army MOS.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
No, I'll get a dog ;^)
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
It's the work I do and the money I spend in the economy. But this isn't something I care about either. I have no responsibility to society beyond not getting on welfare.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
They should have thought about that before destroying society, I don't care about women and they certainly do not care about me.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
How is it selfish? Furthermore, I would argue that society is already burned to a crisp. There's nothing to do for it now.
>>24808863
>implying i should try to help a society that has done nothing good for me
>>24808863
>What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Don't really have a choice.
>>24808863
I don't owe anybody anything. Society isn't entitled to me or the fruits of my labor.
Except the taxes I pay and have no say as to where the money goes, but that's the absolute most I am giving back.
>>24808863
Society's fucked and a total failure like myself can't do a thing to change that. It's not worth sacrificing my comfort to try.
>>24809547
>tfw you will live to see industrial society self-destruct
this is the most glorious feel in the world, and also the main reason I haven't/won't kill myself. if I did that would be like paying to see a movie, watching all the boring plot-oriented scenes, and then leaving right before the final fight scene starts
>>24809834
>he doesn't want to get married
top kek
>>24809888
>is just a few top males fucking all the women who are all supported by the state
but what is the state other than Chad? if all other males drop out, who else will line the state's coffers?
I don't want society to collapse but society treats my side of the human race like shit and expects us to give up our minds, body and soul to the service of women and get nothing back. Nothing in the modern western world is towards men's favor. We have to work for everything and if we're doing too well in something then society tries to hold us back to put women ahead of us. Society doesn't have my back so I won't have their back.
I don't want things to burn down but I'm not going to give up my personal happiness for your bullshit. I'm out, I'm done.
>>24808863
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
and not a single fuck will ever be given
>>24809600
all this
also
>dating girl
>early stages
>going really well
>notice she has tinder on her phone
>cut off ALL contact and never spoke again
>see her once while at the west-field shopping mall
>see her from the corner of my eye
>shes heading towards me
>fast walk away
>no fucks given
>>24808863
>What is your contribution to society
Stopped reading there. Nobody chose to be born, nobody owes society anything. Try again, normie.
>>24808863
Duty to king, country and so on is an obsolete social construct and I won't be a sucker wasting away my life for things long gone.
I want pleasure. Entertainment, drugs, hookers.
Now fuck off.
>>24808863
who cares, really
Since you asked, my plan mostly revolves around getting my shit together(good job, home) so I could provide for myself and my hobbies and interests. I do plan on staying alone forever, not because I'm bitter or follow this MRA creed, mostly because me being with someone seems so farfetched to me, out of all the things that could happen, that's the least plausible to occur, for a general view, I'm not really anything special or particularly good looking, I'm below-average and my personality is decent, besides that I've never in my life felt romantic feelings/crushes/infatuation with anyone, idk if I've always been like this or I killed something along time ago but I've never felt it and the idea of it happening seems farfetched. My contribution? Idk probably my taxes or something, definitely not kids. Idk how they're going to take care of their kids but good luck to them. Nations fall, societies crumble, it's only a matter of time. Idk if it's selfish?
>>24811474
>I've had plenty of offers
anon, why not just take those offers? have fun with it, for example you could pretend to be an autistic weeb and see just how much bullshit women will put up with just to get betabux
>What is your plan?
I work hard, save my money, own my own property, go to the gym, play video games, enjoy my hobbies (Skydiving and wind tunnel) I will just keep dong this.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Probably, it's much easier, i have had one serious relationship and it ruined me in basically every way you can ever imagine.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
Fuck you'r shit society, i have served in the MIlitary and todays society offers NOTHING for white young men, marriage? no thanks il just lose literally everything i own to some used up whore, fuck your society.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
They already do in the UK 1/3 of children belong to single mothers here, One fucking third. . paid for by tax payers and ex partners who are paying that shit for life.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
Like i said before fuck this society, the sooner it collapses the better, feminism has literally destroyed Western society.
I want a wife and kids but marriage is meaningless as long as divorce is allowed. Women did this to themselves. They'll have to be satisfied with money stolen from be through taxes. It's not all bad though. Women were so busy trying to fuck men over they wound up fucking themselves over. Sex is so easy to get its worthless. I can keep fucking early 20s women then kicking them to the curb when they turn 24. Mgtow is the way to go. Money, bitches, and hobbies. I'd still like a wife, but it's impossible. Crying over it is like crying over no heat vision or shape-shifting powers. I'll take the next best thing.
>>24808863
I gave women a chance
I gave families a chance
But the hypersexualized society we live in convinced women it's okay to "have fun" after high school, in college, and fuck whoever they want. Its completely their freedom to do so as well, but no one wanted that when i was ready and willing to accept that from anyone, literally anyone. They wanted to fuck chad and tyrone, and have their fun. Again, entirely their own option. I dont hate women for that, and i dont hate women at all. But no one gave me the time of day when i was offering it, now i just really dont care.
The cunt gets a half-nigger baby, so be it. Its a result of her actions, and its not my responsibility to care for a woman, or her children, unless they're mine.
ill spend what money i would on a kids college fund, wifes new shoes, ect, on anime figures, collecters edition vidyas, and maybe a young hooker every now and then. If I want "love". I have friends. I have amazing friends who would be there for anything, and were there for me when the bitches weren't.
Why should I be held accountable for bitches who wouldnt give me the time of day?
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>>24817463
>Sex is so easy to get its worthless
>>24811474
>I'm a 37 year old Cardiologist and virgin.
Never considered hookers? I mean, damn....
>>24808863
Some percentage of the population abstaining from reproduction would likely be good at this point. Having a child would only be contributing if we were facing some population crisis.
I'll still be pushing your precious shekels through the system until I get sick of it and go off the grid don't worry
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
By making better decisions, to not have a child without first having a stable boyfriend/husband. It's not my responsibility to take care of someone else's child.
>>24808863
HAHAHAHAHAHA!@!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEES
>>24817703
>Some percentage of the population abstaining from reproduction would likely be good at this point. Having a child would only be contributing if we were facing some population crisis.
No it wouldn't, you dumbfuck, not in the way you think.
First worlders aren't having enough kids while uncivilized niggers and sand-niggers are having way too many.
>wanting to bring a child into this life
>>24808863
>What is your plan?
To get rich and enjoy my hobbies.
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
No. I have friends who also enjoy the same hobbies.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I pay taxes and I am politically active. The future work force can be provided by immigration.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Obviously the government needs to do more for women.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
Who says society is burning? By not creating a patriarchal nuclear family I'm making sure that I'm not in the way of strong women raising their children without the harmful encumbrance of male presence. I'm passively encouraging diversity and multiculturalism by creating a vacuum of labor which oppressed immigrants can utilize to make better lives for themselves. If you think that society would burn just because women are made equal to men then you need to check you privilege.
>Isn't that selfish?
How could glorifying women and rightfully giving up my privilege for them and oppressed foreign peoples be selfish?
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>>24817908
>inb4 "the less population the richer the rest will live"
heard that one a lot from college libfag normies.
A perfectly sound argument, if you're a hunter-gatherer society relying on game.
>>24808863
>Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Yes, nihon has plenty of doujins that have fetishes 3DPD girls never will be able to satisfy.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I pay my rent and taxes, everything else I do is up to me to decide.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Should have asked this before women got sexually liberated, get keked.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
Again, this is just a reaction caused by women liberation. So you force me to withdraw from certain things.
>Isn't that selfish?
Women are more selfish than men. We build this society, and you are destroying it. We are just the product of your doing.
>>24816767
With an automated workforce, labor and products will be so cheap that other countries can outsource their workforce to automated countries, and the products of non-automated countries will not be able to compete in price against automated products.
Also of course you've got at least a decent portion of the population able to work, who will always be able to get jobs over men.
>>24808863
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
Well yeah, it is.
Does that answer your question?
HEY. YOU. WHAT DO YOU SEE?
SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL SOMETHING FREE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypkv0HeUvTc
>>24817399
That chart needs to be updated where the kids aren't even his.
>>24808863
>implying i have any options
as a below average looking male and with no real education i'm not exactly high up in the list. Why should i provide for a society that never provided anything but sorrow for me?
yup
>contributing to society
for what reason?
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
GET A FUCKING JOB YOU LAZY CUNT
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
>implying other white knights won't support society
>Isn't that selfish?
Yup nothing wrong with being selfish, having a baby is selfish
>>24817563
Have you seriously not heard of the hookup culture? Why buy the cow when the milk is free?
How do i get better at not wanting girls? I mean one ting is sitting here saying all we do.. But sometimes when i see all these cute chicks i can't help but wish i had one sometimes.
>>24818209
>Have you seriously not heard of the hookup culture?
I've heard of it, but I've seen no evidence to believe that it actually exists
>Why buy the cow when the milk is free?
why not just have the cow for free?
>>24818281
Get something else that makes you happy so that you don't see women as a route to happiness.
>>24818281
Keep yourself occupied and it will happen eventually.
>society and it's people don't care a bout you
>therefore you should care about them
doesn't work that way OP, the world has given me no incentive to participate so I'll just focus on myself
>>24818209
>he thinks it's free
well meme'd my friend
>>24808863
>MGTOW
MGTOW is really only for people who are attractive / capable enough to get women easily. It's basically saying I won't stick to one woman and marry because it's a scam and I know I can get many women easily.
An unattractive normie really doesn't have much choice. If he doesn't stick to a woman and give her resources his chances of having sex are close to zero. He can choose to get hookers but that is much less satisfying and fun than unprotected sex with someone that ( pretends to ) love you.
An unattractive beta doesn't really have a choice, he is alone no matter what he labels himself. A beta can cry about how marriage is a scam but it's not like true betas can ever get a wife. Only those who ascend to normiehood can get a wife and they are often the prime victims of divorce because they are seen as weaklings and easy money.
I'm tired of all this stupid shit all the time. I want out of the game. I want to be dead. I don't want to be an animal in an animal competition trying to win the best animal prize which is decided by other animals. I don't want to think about the checklist of shit I need to accomplish and regularly achieve in order to be allowed to put my penis in a vagina. I don;t want to worry about keeping the vagina around for a long time by feeding it money and attention. I don't want to think about Alphas and Betas and omegas and epsilons and deltas. It's all getting to be too much and it's fucking stupid.
>>24809600
>It's like the government put a bounty on marriage- if she kills the marriage she gets a reward. It's not hard for her to convince herself that she's just 'not happy anymore'
>A girl I fucked recently seemed innocent and nice so I didn't use a condom, then she told me without shame that she had a foursome a week ago. Turns out it was just three dudes running train on her. In the next sentence she talked about wanting to get married soon and raise a family. This is a 2015 woman. College educated, liberal, and a giant whore
>continuous new dick infusion.
god damn 5 star post right here
my bf was mgtow.
>was
>>24808863
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
Maybe some of them should have thought about that before becoming a single mother.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something? Isn't that selfish?
When you are bending to the will of other selfish people then I would rather stand on my own.
If I somehow do find a woman that I like and she feels the same with me then I will go with it, but I will not compromise certain things because it is my life and I don't want to lose certain freedoms that I do have to live it out, no matter how insignificant it is.
>>24808863
I don't identify as MGTOW but I'm basically in the same boat.
>What is your plan? Are you just going to stay alone forever?
Keep myself sustained and amused until I die or some unreal shit goes down.
>What is your contribution to society if you keep your money to yourself and don't provide a stable set of people for the future?
I work, pay taxes, and don't initiate unprovoked force. That's better than many people who do have genetic recombin...I mean uh BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN are doing.
>How are women going to support children without husbands?
The relatively few higher status women will support themselves and their test tube babies with money earned by working. The many, many lower status women will support their kids with my taxes and their part time jobs, like they do now. Most of these kids will probably be dysfunctional and criminal according to the current stats.
>Are you just going to watch society burn when you could have done something?
This is what women chose. This is the future they wanted. They got it. Turns out bicycles don't need fish either.
We as men can't do anything to effect change BUT drop out. Unlike women we can't say "give me this, that and the other thing" and expect it to happen, because we are the diposable sex, and no one cares about us at the end of the day.
Furthermore, women are the selectors: if a man is not going to reproduce, guess what? That's women's fault for not choosing him. We have no say in the matter. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, as well as commitment.
>Isn't that selfish?
Normie Maxim #26: "No one owes you anything." :^)
>>24808863
>What is your plan?
I learned here that there can no true despair without hope. So, as these women waste their prime taking the cocks of strangers in the bathroom stalls of clubs, I will feed them hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can ride the cock carousel and still secure commitment from a desirable man after they have hit The Wall, like children of wealth given a fortune at age 18, who squander it and later bemoan the destitution they have brought upon themselves. You can watch me torture
an entire sex and when they have truly understood the depth of their failure, we will fulfill Elliot Rodger's destiny. We will destroy the Western Women and when it is done and they are...single moms and fatasses...
...then they have my permission to cry.
>>24808863
Why would I want to participate in society. As a nihilist I've realised that I'm not failing to do anything. As a hedonist I've decided to play video games. As a transhumanist I'm going to live forever, meaning I won't need to pass on children to the future. Who cares about selfishness. I'm not harming anyone.
Selfishness is a virtue. Why do society or some woman I barely like deserve my hard earned money.
>what is your plan?
Save up on my engineering salary and eventually buy a small house, on a small lake, with a small row boat and live out the rest of my days in peace
>are you just going to stay alone forever?
I mean I can't really answer that as I don't know the future, but I assume it's going to end up that way seeing as I have not the slightest desire to approach women
>what is your contribution to society?
You make the poor assumption that humans are supposed to contribute to society to live fulfilling lives. I have no responsability to those around me other than not harming them. And to actually answer the question, I will likely be making people above me money and trying to do my job well enough to where people below me are put into a position where they can make money. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure helps with peace of mind
>how are women going to support children without husbands?
I don't know, ask them. Apparentally they're strong and independant and don't need me. And even if they weren't, why me when there's a stronger, wealthier, and better man around every corner?
>are you just going to watch society burn?
I can ignore it. Ignorance is bliss.
To answer your very obvious reply, I already know I'm a horrible person. I don't really care. I'm going to get every ounce of enjoyment I can out of this life while experiencing as little pain as I can. "But humans grow from hardships blah blah blah." Who. Cares.
