http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
>Seventy percent of males ages 20 - 34 are not married and have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility
>Women today are much more unhappy in the past than they have ever been, because men are no longer stepping up to the plate
Why are men not marrying anymore?
>>24748780
>failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility
Heh
>Why are men not marrying anymore?
Because the value of pussy has plummeted
>Want to get married
>"Why is no one coming to ME? Why do I have to do the work here?!"
>women complain
>men give women everything they asked for
>women complain more and everyone is unhappy
Fuck men are stupid.
>>24748780
Throw neo-feminism and "hook-up" culture into a pot and stir, let sit for a decade.
>>24748780
>Girls taking miles of cock on average
>Men are just supposed to accept this and "step up to the plate."
>Divorce rape still horrible for men.
As much as I think this is a good thing, for a society to thrive marriage and commitment is necessary. If this keeps up for too long, Muhammad and his brothers will be happy to give the seed to all the white women. This will spell the end for civilization as we know it.
>make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility
They have jobs and pay taxes. All that's left is death and you don't need to be married for that.
>>24748802
No, because women are hypergamous and only marrying the top 20-30% of men.
>>24748780
No interest in marrying a woman who has fucked a dozen men.
I'll keep my resources for myself thank you very much.
>>24748780
https://archive.is/nlsij
Non-keked link
>>24748780
not being married =/= not cohabiting and not having regular sex
70% of men 20-34 aren't living at home and staying virgins. Most are in long term relationshits and having sex.
>>24748931
what difference does it make?
also i'm pretty sure a dozen is a low number by today's standards for most girls
>>24748780
First, age 20-34 is a huge range. 28-34 would be much more reasonable. I'd like to see it broken down by year of age even.
Second, the reasons for men not wanting to marry are simple. Men can have sex outside of marriage. Many women are basically not wife material due to slutty pasts or kids. And men fear divorce.
>>24748950
What percentage of women aren't married? This stat always includes only men, but how can women be married if men aren't, and if women are unmarried at similar rates, why aren't they also mentioned.
Who the fuck gets married at 20 anymore? Also iirc the woman who wrote this retarded article is basically the opposite of feminist.
If you treat your vagina like an open house then everyone is going to come in but no one is going to stay.
>>24748780
Weren't the liberals the ones who shilled the idea that a two parent married household was oppressive? Seems they now have their wish and are regretting it.
>>24748952
None to you apparently, if it doesn't matter do as you like.
because men are moving forwards into anime pussy and the rest of the 2D wonders.
>>24749072
Original 10/10 comment.
>>24748780
Because its a dead institution that communists have succeeded in destroying. Why bother?
>>24749072
And if you treat your vagina like private property, the betas will stay behind the fences while the badboys trespass.
In the end, Chads get what they want.
>>24748780
>Why are men not marrying anymore?
Because the probability of being cvcked is higher than ever.
>>24748780
>Why are men not marrying anymore?
Marriage aint what it used to be.
Women don't even talk to me how the fuck am I supposed to get married just so I can get keked.
Simple--because society is in turmoil and on the verge of collapse, so we can only fend for ourselves.
>>24748780
>Men have the power
>Author is old cunt
>"Normal"
Is this the Onion?
>>24749274
this
put simply, marriage literally means nothing today. There is no gain in it for a man because its very easy to divorce and its the women who are initiating most divorces. So theres no sense of security in marriages.
Women, however, get the better deal and have everything to gain.
The problem is that there is no real incentive for a man to get married.
>>24749260
It's at an all time high. How do we cure this epidemic?
Who cares?
Women are happy with their lives now even without marriage, and the few guys who are having sex with all of them won't complain either.
>>24749416
There is only one way my friend.
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
>>24749357
Women have relationship power, they decide who they will be with. Men have the power in commitment. If a man doesn't want to get married then there will be no marriage.
>>24749373
>So theres no sense of security in marriages.
Really all that needs to be said.
>>24749416
>How do we cure this epidemic?
I'm afraid the virus has spread too far now.
>>24748780
>Women today are much more unhappy
top kek feminism has fail women. great job at destroying the nuclear family with unfair laws and encouraging women into casual sex. no man is going to trust a slut to be the mother of his children.
>>24749450
>Women are happy with their lives now even without marriage
I would say just wait a few years until there looks fade, but we both know there is a surplus of hungry betas just lining up to get kucked.
>>24748780
>>24748950
This, I'm 24 and plenty of guys I know are in committed relationships and have kids and all that.
Most of them aren't getting officially married.
Most of the younger people I know who got married just had a priest or justice of the piece perform a small ceremony for them and the family. The idea of a lavish, $20,000 celebration is kind of a dying, 90s/00s concept.
I also know multiple people from the boomer generation who have been married and divorced but are now in committed, exclusive relationships but have no desire to get married because according to them, marriage just ruins everything.
>>24748872
>only marrying the top 20-30% of men
Nope. It's because the 70%minus rowboatsis getting all the pussy it wants without needing to commit.
>>24748861
>This will spell the end for civilization as we know it.
good now we can finally blame fucking women for all the problems in the world . the world can turn to women and say "this is your fault". then after this society collapses the next generation can learn to keep women in check.
>>24748780
>have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility
Yeah, chaining yourself to some harpy that's just going to take your money in ten years sure is a responsible part of growing up!
>Women today are much more unhappy in the past than they have ever been, because men are no longer stepping up to the plate
"Waah why won't men just approach my egotistical throne and swoon over me like they used to waah why am I not getting foot rubs and cashmere online with a man's paycheck waah!"
>why are men not marrying anymore?
Too expensive just for ten minutes of attention whoring, divorce rates are incredibly high, the woman L I T E R A L L Y makes you her bitch because society gives her everything, and you're expected to have kids, even in the current world despite how fucked up it's become.
All those sayings men tell each other ("she wears the pants in this relationship heh oh yeah i make the money but she makes it disappear haha women haha!") aren't really jokes when they're some of the truest words ever spoken. Why would a younger generation of men do that to themselves.
>hey my dad married this bitch that treated him like garbage and took everything he worked for and gave him severe depression so i should do it too because men do that for some reason
>hey my dad goes to Africa and let a gorilla stick its dick in his mouth so I should do it too because men do that for some reason
God damn I'm tired of hearing about women whining that nobody wants them.
>>24749573
Marginal amount of men get as much sex as they would like. Fuck, 66% of men IN RELATIONSHIPS don't get as much sex as they would like.
>>24749717
yeah, but most men are getting as much sex as they think they can with women without marriage so whats the point.
>mfw my coworker thinks all my depression and anger stems from the fact that I don't want to get married or date
>literally told me that me not wanting to get married is "giving up on life and happiness"
He's a self-proclaimed male feminist, who won't give in to his girlfriends desires to be fucked rough as can be because he doesn't want to objectify her,and doesn't find anything suspicious about her having online dating profiles and tinder so she can "troll" guys
>>24749573
>Nope. It's because the 70% minus rowboats is getting all the pussy it wants without needing to commit.
When is the last time you went out with a female?
I'm part of the mentioned demographic financially it'd be nearly impossible for me to get married assuming I wanted to get married.
Female requirements for that sort of thing are high most of the time but even if they went with a guy without deep pockets now your on the hook legally for her spending. She could take easily make a bid deal about a huge wedding and go into debt over that alone. They could have school debts. They could just decide 'fuck you' and take out a credit card in either or both of your names and go on a shopping spree. Way too big of a liability.
>>24749783
lol
post pics of the guy, i want to laugh
>>24748780
I don't plan on ever doing it. They told me I was ugly, so I'll do my part and not acknowledge women.
>>24749783
>and doesn't find anything suspicious about her having online dating profiles and tinder so she can "troll" guys
nu males make me laugh so hard
>>24749640
lol you people and your doomsday fantasies.
The world is progressing exactly as expected. With more available resources, women aren't forced to marry a guy just to survive. So they more readily express their natural instincts to get knocked up by superior males.
Now, if this were any other time in history, the 60% of males who weren't getting any pussy would eventually start a civil war and crash society. However, with the rampant entertainment and easy access to pussy ($150 escorts), no group of males are going to rebel against the current society.
Not to mention, with genetically engineered babies right around the corner, sexual selection pressure will drop, the stigma of sleeping around will become meaningless, and women will more readily fuck betas for fun.
Everyone wins.
>>24749783
>so she can "troll" guys
Oh wow...hopefully the kek wakes up
>>24749514
Who knew having tons of sex wouldn't make you happy?
>>24749837
and even with all that, women still won't be happy or satisfied
>>24749476
>45 year old redditor cucc
he got his due fampai
>>24749837
>and women will more readily fuck betas for fun.
Robot waifus will literally destroy women and they probably realize it.
>Chad will continue to pump and dump them
>Betas will be too busy with robot waifus to give a shit
>When Chad is done, no beta bux will be in sight
>>24749783
>>mfw my coworker thinks all my depression and anger stems from the fact that I don't want to get married or date
Is that not true?
>literally told me that me not wanting to get married is "giving up on life and happiness"
It is, in some ways.
>>24749873
Never being satisfied is part of the human condition.
>>24749783
>Get trolled by her
>Kek every time you see the kek
>>24749837
>and women will more readily fuck betas for fun.
Yes this will definitely happen.
>>24749906
For robots
There's nothing in it for us anymore.
>Homecooked meals!
Women can't cook anymore.
>Kids
Not worth it with things the way they are
>sex
Prostitutes
>someone to come home to
Until they leave you and take half your stuff.
>Having someone who loves you
Most of them wouldn't love someone like most of us, because modern feminism has taught them that they all deserve a perfect prince who's handsome and rich and loving and works hard but magically finds time to be with her. Basically they want someone whose life revolves around them and only them. Everyone who actually exists is "beneath" women at that age.
>>24749895
>implying women will need money by the time sexbots arrive
There will probably be basic income by then. A society that has androids is going to utilize them for more than just sex.
>>24749895
This will probably be the only time women (past a certain age) will understand being truly, absolutely, alone like most betas. No more betabux will mean her white knight army will disappear fucking over night. Right now a middle aged woman can hope on finding some guy to support her, or just some beta being nice to her in hopes of banging her. When that is completely off the table, nobody will want anything to do with them. Chad will move on to younger sluts and betas will have moved on to sex bots.
>>24749926
With no pressure or stigma, sex will become just as casual as playing a board game together.
It will just be a fun activity to kill time.
>>24749951
The last two can be replaced with pets
>>24749952
Her attention pool will be gone as well. Literally everything betas provide women (kindness, attention, money, etc.) will be done. There will be no reason to pander to a girl when you can just buy a dream girl who will run zero risk of fucking you over.
>>24748780
>Why are men not marrying anymore?
Women's rights.
Divorce laws.
Fickle women.
Shitty economy.
All of the above.
>>24749977
Oh you poor, poor soul.
>>24749954
I don't know. I think older women can still easily get betas. Unless they have kids, that makes it harder for them.
>>24748780
>cnsnews
senpai just please desu
>>24749783
You need to make a deal with him that you will take his picture every day for the next 15 years. Then you can watch a time lapse of him slowly dying on the inside.
>>24749987
Wanting attention is universal to all humans. They will probably become more achievement orientated, like men, to receive praise they crave.
>>24750013
You say that as if I'm happy about this. If sex is casual, it loses its emotional significance. Human bonding will start to degrade, essentially.
The more they "free" women from their "patriarchal enforced roles" they more they try to force "natural roles" on men.
And they wonder why men are resisting?
Jesus Christ... the sociopathy.
>>24749977
>sex will become just as casual as playing a board game together
How many sluts are playing board games, or casually interacting at all, with betas?
>>24749952
You're implying women can handle their own money in the first place.
>>24749951
>take half your stuff
Does no one understand the concept of a prenup?
I dont care if i get married all i want is a man that can clean up his own shit for the love of god why cant men clean up after themselves
>>24750070
>what are beta orbiters
surprising a lot, anon. The majority of women aren't bitchy Stacys. They'll hang out with betas, and even be somewhat intimate, they just won't fuck them.
>>24749864
well women are retarded and they took the bait. women have a short term benefit mentally and not a long term benefit mentally. they never thought their actions had consequences in the long run.
>>24750117
I'll marry you. I can and do clean up.
>>24750116
>implying women would agree to that
>women whore around and reject all but the top 10% of men, acting like children
>why aren't men acting like adults
what
>>24750116
>implying prenups work
They have to be constantly maintained throughout the marriage. And the initial contract equates to nothing. There needs to be multiple follow-ups.
If she decides to decline any of them it won't stick.
And that's if it doesn't get thrown out by the judge in the first place.
>>24748780
How many times are you going to repost this christfag shit?
>>24750117
You mean, "Clean up after me?"
Because I can bet that's what it means.
>implying most guys even own enough things to mess the house up with
>>24750117
Most men dgaf. It's like asking
>Why can't most men skip to their next destination instead of walking?
We just don't want to (in general).
>>24750194
No i mean 'pick up your 50 cans of half drank coke'
>>24749783
That's hilarious. He deserves nothing but pain and sorrow.
>>24749864
To be fair, it's (on some level) on us as well. Hear me out before you cry SJW. Women have been babied and treated like princesses for so fucking long that they don't even have to grow up. It's like a kid just eating cookies until they throw up and then the parent just laughing and saying "oh that little champ". Women are literally infinite children by our own creation. It used to be okay to check a woman's shit when it was deserved (I'm not talking abuse, I'm talking calling a woman out on her shit) but nowadays you have all this treat women like babies forever shit. Women are shit, but men have a hand in it by letting it get to a point where calling a woman out on her shit can be considered verbal rape.
>>24748780
>stepping up to the plate
Ghastly americanism.
>>24749837
this society was build by males but keep letting women run our government and schools. continue giving them power and see what happens.
>>24750197
Any ways on how to deal with it? Do i just put all his mess on his desk in a pile and not cook for him or something?
>>24749904
>Is that not true?
No. Not one of my problems is being alone. Financial and ideas of success (and not meeting those ideas) are what depress me and anger me. Women aren't even on the list.
>>24750233
Depends. When the fuck are you going to clean all those goddamn products off the bathroom sink? Or out of the tub? Or clean the goddamn toilet and flush the fucking thing once in a while? Or clear off the kitchen sink? Or do the dishes? Or get off your fat ass and vacuum for once? Or stop fucking spraying your hair spray all over the goddamn place? Or put your fucking laundry in the right goddamn bins in the first place instead of bitching at me to sort them for you?
Bitch.
>>24750269
>Let's do something super passive aggressive and not mature at all and pretend this is a relationship!
Yup. Woman detected.
>>24750286
Do you live with a messy gf lol? I feel your pain.
>>24750269
Why would you do that? Just don't pick up after him. If he complains tell him he's being a shit. If he doesn't tell him it bothers you, but other than that you can't really force anyone to care about something they don't care about.
>>24750336
Talking to him about it like an adult doesnt work, im probs just gonna break up with him desu fuck manchildren our lease runs out in a month anyway.
>>24750345
And she ALWAYS blames me for it. No matter how many goddamn times I remind her I don't own 300 hair products, wear two outfits a day, and keep my own dishes clean.
>>24750364
>foreveralone.exe
>>24750233
>implying you're the spic and span woman you think you are
The minute I see a dirty dish of yours on a table or counter I'd throw it against the wall just to piss you off.
>>24750117
I'm more about efficiency than aesthetics.
For instance, I throw all my clothes in a basket in my closet. Its pointless to fold them, because I iron what I'm going to use any way. By doing this, I've eliminated the need for a dresser-drawer and I've utilized empty space in my closet.
Or are you one of those people who think things have a "proper place" "just cause."
>>24750359
Because then the floor just ends up being covered in stuff to the point where we are gonna be horders soon, if he did man stuff like mowing i wouldnt care but he doesnt
>>24750364
OH GOD HE LEFT THE TOILET SEAT UP AGAIN AND I'M A DUMB WOMAN AND SOO FUCKING STUPID TO PUT IT DOWN BEFORE SITTING IN IT AND I FEEL IN AND MY BUM BUM GOT WET!
rofl
>implying there's 50 shades of can anywhere
>>24750396
>if he did man stuff
Ok, you guys have more problems than just the mess.
Like I said though, you can't force him to care about that stuff.
>>24750396
>he doesn't do man stuff!
Like what? Kill a bear with his bear hands and cut it into magical bacon strips after building a bonfire for you to cook off of?
Dumb bitch.
Fact is you're overly critical and judgmental. I'd be surprised but this is you, being a woman, so it's straight up typical.
>>24750396
>man stuff
>like mowing
you sexist bitch
>>24750416
He does sit down pees
>>24750032
>women
>achieving anything
Yeah, that'll be the day.
>>24748780
>Why are men not marrying anymore?
>3rd wave feminism
>"muh feels" being more important than logic or reason
>even if you get the ideal marriage and job she can back out at any time and take half of everything you owe, and the kids too
ya sounds like a great senerio
1% chance for the dream life
49% chance its less than what you want
50% chance you lose everything, end up heart broken, poor, and having to pay for children for 18 years who get told repeatedly how evil you are
>>24750570
>He thinks it's 50%.
>>24748780
Gzhbxsuj
>>24748780
This makes me so fucking smug
I AM A WOMAN AND I KNOW THE ANSWER
FEMINISM AND SECRET SOCIETIES
> Secret societies hate women and children
> secret societies create feminism and a bunch of other stuff to create economic instability
> this causes incomes to drop
> now instead the father working full time and the mom raising the family and maybe working part time to supplement income, both parents work full time
> gender roles are divided
> children don't have parents
> divorce happens, families are under excessive tension
> kids end up being raised by schools, babysitters, nannies, the internet, after school programs, and the TV
> kids become easier to control
JUST LIKE HITLER TOOK CONTROL OF THE CHILDREN BY MAKING WOMEN WORK. JUST LIKE THE COMMUNIST CHINESE TOOK CONTROL OVER CHILDREN DURING THE CULTURAL REVOLUTION AND CAUSED CHILDREN TO DENOUNCE THEIR OWN PARENTS
In the past, one middle class income was enough to support a family. Mom stayed at home and raised her kids in a moral, loving environment. Kids didn't become degenerates. Kids' main influence in their values and beliefs system was their parents'. A respectable job such as a factory worker, etc. was enough to support them.
Now things like pornography, the internet, drugs, alcohol, and video games have weakened men and made them effeminate and unable to control themselves. Feminism came along and women are now forced to work in order to support their families, and many end up being single moms. Gender roles have become blurred, which is what the secret societies want since they worship weird demigods of androgyny. Kids don't have a set male and female role model. Kids end up becoming raised by television, internet, books, babysitters, nannies, teachers, the school system, but NOT mom and dad.
The economy has gone to shit, and now no one can afford a family. Now, this generation of kids I have described above is growing up, and is unable to create a family structure. The family structure is in shambles. this is not a "beta uprising
>>24750606
yeah man. Just think about poor Chad having to work overtime to satisfy all these lonely desperate women.
Poor poor chad.
>because men are no longer stepping up to the plate
>this is what women think
FUCKING TRIGGERED
>>24750662
>secret societies hate women and children
Then why are men the ones suffering the most?
>inb4 hillary clinton quote
>>24750673
That's fine. Women like to be in Chad's harem anyway. I'm just glad men are not signing marriage licenses with these whores post-wall
>Women have literally been the gatekeepers to boys becoming men for decades.
>Treat boys like shit.
>Surprised when they're not married.
Gee... Let's blame men!
>After decades of feminism, Crouse noted that young men are now the ones who set the parameters for intimate relationships, and those increasingly do not include a wedding ring.
PRE-FEMINISM ROLES WERE NOT SET UP TO CONTROL AND OWN WOMEN. THEY WERE ESTABLISHED TO PROTECT WOMEN. YOU DID THIS SHIT TO YOURSELVES YOU DUMB FUCKING BITCHES. YOUR GRANDMOTHER FUCKING WARNED YOU. YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED.
TOO.
LATE.
NOW.
>>24750673
Oh no, I won't get to marry a skank that will leave me for a nigger? Darn. I guess I lucked out. Wouldn't that have been something.
There's nothing important for men to do anymore. Just go work for a corporation until you're on your death bed. Men are starting to realize this is a raw deal. Women won't marry men that aren't providers. We need a world war or something.
>>24750703
Because they want men to become gay and androgynous. They don't want straight men, they want gay men to do anal with. I am serious, look up the Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones. Richard Nixon and George Bush Jr and Sr were in these societies.
>>24750783
For what? It's not going to fix women.
Which is, ironically, the problem here.
This needs to stay exactly as it is until women learn to fucking evolve and catch up to men.
>>24750778
>letting your race go extinct because you're jaded
no problem, Tyrone will take care of them. He doesn't mind her past.
>>24750662
>this causes incomes to drop
Nigger, incomes are higher than they have ever been. GDP per capita, both PPP and real, is higher than ever. Wages are higher than ever. Standard of living is higher than ever. This is taking into account inflation, and the fact that CPI overestimates inflation.
If you're going to say that the economy is shit, at least know basic economic indicators.
Matriarchy is almost here.
>>24750821
And women are helping them. So, when you say they hate "women and children," you're dead wrong.
Women are in collusion with them and dragging the kids into man-hating with them.
>>24750832
It's all part of one problem called decadence and we need fierce reality to curb it.
>>24750700
It's kind of amazing isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice to have this kind of influence?
>>24750857
Decadence = women.
Until you realize it it's not going to be fixed. You're just going to cover it up again and the root of the problem will go unsolved.
Sorry, but a band-aid isn't the solution here. Women need to suffer a while until they grow up.
>>24750838
>implying I give two flying fucks about muh race muh genes muh white is right
>>24750843
> Southern California
> rent in a non-ghetto area is AT LEAST $2500 a month
> You make $60k a year
> After taxes it comes out to like $3200 a month
> After rent you end up with $700 a month for food, electricity, car, student loans, etc.
So your salary may be "high" but it is not enough to raise a family or pay rent.
So then the wife has to work full time too.
>>24750883
> a skank that will leave me for a nigger
hmmm
>>24750850
yeah but not all women, only the ones in control of the feminism movement, which is controlled by secret societies which are run by evil men
So its pretty clear that r9k is full of 'failed men'. What do we do about it?
How does one become a man?
Is it even possible without having to adopt some shitty butthurt pseudo-philosophy like le redpill or mgtow?
>>24750961
do you have any proof to back that up?
>People legitimately talking about illuminati controlled feminism ITT
/pol/ has ruined this board.
>>24750976
>Is it even possible without having to adopt some shitty butthurt pseudo-philosophy like le redpill or mgtow?
Most of what they preach is basically just stoicism with added overthinking.
How does one become a man? Embrace stoicism.
>>24750961
9 in 10 women are poison. Go ahead. Date a few.
>#NotAllWomen
>>24750976
Define: 'failed men.' I'm sure you'll use a definition that'll involve some sort of, "Giving a woman everything she wants."
>>24750934
Nigger, spic, gook, hillbilly, frenchies, crackers, all that. So what? They're all shit.
>>24751020
Easily baited robots and Tumblr normies ruined this board. Get it right.
>>24751020
>women hating is /pol/
How long have you posted here?
>>24750976
The article is right about one thing: males are failing at becoming men. Females are failing at becoming women too. It's not marriage, it's about whether or not you can fend for yourself and support your own existence. That's literally the cut off between child (someone who relies on someone, usually their parents, for support and care) and an adult (someone who, within reason, can support themselves and not require the assistance of others). Don't get married, continue playing vidya and fapping all day, but just make sure you are doing that on your own dollar and your own time and you have succeeded at being an adult. Normies are idiots who think adulthood is an age or an event.
>>24751022
And 9 in 10 men are poison so deal with it
>>24750986
Alberto Rivera
http://spirituallysmart.com/alberto.html
>>24751045
>Nigger, spic, gook, hillbilly, frenchies, crackers, all that. So what? They're all shit.
lol stfu fgt
>>24750961
Feminism isn't in the house. The woman is. And she's the problem.
If women really wanted to be married they wouldn't be the ones ruining it.
>>24751086
>And 9 in 10 men are poison so deal with it
>implying men initiate most divorces
>implying men have the most infidelities
>implying men initiate the most violence in relationships
>>24751086
Do you have any proof that isn't from an internet 1.0 unsubstantiated conspiracy theory website?
>>24750926
Average income is $70k in non-shit areas. That's more than enough, including taxes, $2500/month rentwhich is an overestimate, and all other expenses for a two child household. Or you can just live in a cheaper area. Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, the Inland Empire, etc... all have significantly lower COL.
>>24751086
>implying women aren't the overwhelming majority of child abuse cases
Men are legally obligated to be the better person. In all ways. When women live under the same standards as men (whether legally bound or men released from theirs) then marriage will return. Not before.
>>24750662
Maybe you should quit riding the cock carousel in your youth and find someone to create a good life together with, instead of fucking around until you're thirty and expecting to find a guy that did all the hard work by himself to give you it's fruits for free.
>>24751095
>can't reply properly, better call him edgy
Keep your delusion.
>>24751155
They also have lower income. Stop conflating.
I sell wedding rings.
This job has convinced me that women are a curse from the Gods.
Watching these guys sheepishly smiling like little boys while their whore rambles about inane narcissistic bullshit with me and my assistant makes my blood boil.
>>24751170
>reply properly to a non-response
>>24748950
Having sex outside of marriage is just having glorified casual sex.
>>24751209
Any incidents in particular you remember?
>>24751022
>Define: 'failed men.' I'm sure you'll use a definition that'll involve some sort of, "Giving a woman everything she wants."
Kissless virgins, or guys who rely on online dating because they have no idea how to talk to girls in real life
NEETs with no marketable skils and no job prospects
Adults who live with their parents
Anyone who posts on this board
>>24751247
>Kissless virgins, or guys who rely on online dating because they have no idea how to talk to girls in real life
Which has nothing to do with being a man. This is about making a woman happy.
>NEETs with no marketable skils and no job prospects
There are plenty of "manly men" who do not have career prospects. They're called, "Mountain Men," and I doubt you'd call them, "Not a man," to their face.
>Adults who live with their parents
That used to be the standard, and still is, in most of the world. Even for men. Because family used to be first for men. Try again.
>Anyone who posts on this board
So you're a little girl then? Moot, is that you? :^)
>>24751138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc5vhAwae5E
>>24751155
I make about $58k where I am at right now. In CO, NV, UT, AZ, NM, etc. I would be making like $45k
>>24751161
I am a kissless handholdless virgin
But women who do that are the product of manipulation by secret societies. The factors used to manipulate are socioeconomic, material, and media.
>>24751213
amen
>>24751247
>You have to have a woman and have a job to be a man.
>Not knowing about based Dick Proenneke.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss
This isn't a man to you, dipshit?
>Including men under 25.
How to alter statistics to push a narrative 101.
>>24751178
Right now, where I live, I'm spending $1300 a month on everything. Average income is $3k/month. Literally nowhere in the US are most people struggling to provide for a family on one average income. Average income is at least $1k more the average monthly expenses across the board.
>>24751300
I'm not going to state my own income as an example, because it's very far from average. But I'll gladly mention what I spend monthly, as seen above. I live in Arizona, in an upper middle class neighborhood. My monthly expenses are about $500 less than my neighbors because I own my cars.
>>24751369
What's your job?
>inb4 i won't say
>>24751369
>income is $3k/month.
After taxes it comes down to $1500 a month
And you spend $1300 on everything
If you had a car you would spend $1800 which would put you in the red.
>>24751369
>I'm spending $1300 a month on everything.
And you're alone, I take it? LOL Wow. What a fucking example!
>>24750673
no fucking wonder chad keeps pushing me to marry his sloppy seconds. they want me to be the beta provider and they don't want to be force into that role. i think chads are getting desperate as well because betas are waking up. women still have this allusion that they can fall back on betas to marry them. if too many betas get redpill then it will be harder for chad to get sex without commitment.
>Women try to define what manhood is... ignore what men say in the process.
...and other unsurprising and typical things women do to make men miserable.
>>24751228
I really made friends with this young guy who was all head over heels for this "Wow, now that I'm done sucking cocks in university I'm ready to settle". He's talking to me all about how wonderful love is and that you just have to wait for that ANGEL to step into your life on day. I'm a salesmen so of course I say whatever to make him spend 8,000 bucks on a useless rock. What do ya know, she got caught fucking her Chad bf from university who used to pass her around with his rugby bros at parties 2 MONTHS after the honeymoon. Then bitched about being "pressured" and "confused" despite HER being the one to demand a wedding. Old cunt then wants to "see other people".
I smoke a bowl with the guy and he asks me what to do so I say we should go to London and cut her out of his life. Next vacation we fucked slags, got into some fist fights with the locals, made bros, did drugs I didn't even know existed, and I pretty much redpilled him.
Other time was this guy in his 50's on his 2nd marriage telling me about how he's 150,000 in the hole, his wife makes him pay off a mortgage she pressured him into, and he's battling 3 bloodsucking lawyers. His company is pretty much hers now and his 2nd wife recently told him he wasn't allowed to discipline her kids.
Fucking betas I swear.
This again?
Fuck off shill.
>Women rather fuck tyrone and get preggo with him
>Women rather tell me to go check my privilege
>Women rather complain about somehow not getting the same amount of money as men
>Women look at me in sheer terror and do their best to flee from me
>''Why are you not married anon your a handsome guy''
I'm just going to get a surrogate fuck this.
>>24750926
Quick Fix: Don't live in southern california.
I've never understood why people don't see this as the obvious solution.
>MANHATTAN IS SO EXPENSIVE RENT IS FIVE GRAND AND BREAKFAST IS SEVENTY DOLLARS I CAN'T AFFORD THIS ;_;
Then don't live there.
Jesus fucking christ, this isn't complicated.
>>24751405
>taxes are 50%
lol
>>24751421
I spend like $2100/month for myself, my wife who is in high school, her horse, and the land we live on.
Even after taxes, I have nearly $5000 a month.
I make about double the national median, so I'd have about $2500 (excluding the fact that I'd pay less in taxes if I made the median), leaving $400 to burn.
And that's living extravagantly.
>>24751393
Contract actuary.
>>24751405
>After taxes it comes down to $1500 a month
It doesn't though. It comes down to $2500, at the very low end.
>>24751421
I spend what my neighbors spend, minus car payment.
>>24751517
>>24751516
So you have way more than you should, but only have $400 left over?
Great example.
>>24751514
what if you don't have enough money to purchase property and move all your shit there?
>>24751299
The mental acrobatics you exhibit here are impressive
>>24751326
Well being a man in society requires a job and the ability to get your needs met.
Living alone in the wilderness is a job and your survival depends on the ability to get your needs met.
>>24751514
My family is here and I can live here rent free
I don't want to stay you moron
>>24751517
I make almost $5k a month and about $2k go into taxes and about $400 goes into retirement and about $100 goes into health, vision, and dental insurance
>>24751550
see
>>24751459
Being a man will, and always will be, about exercising your right to choose how to live your life. Not one woman, or even another man, has the ability to tell you how to do that.
You know why?
Because FUCK YOU that's why.
>>24751550
>The mental acrobatics you exhibit here are impressive
then you say this...
>Living alone in the wilderness is a job and your survival depends on the ability to get your needs met.
ROFL
>>24751543
$400 after I've covered ALL my expenses, and that's assuming I'd have a damn horse if I only made the median.
The horse alone costs about $250/month due to insurance on it, food for it, whatever else it needs that month.
How is $650 a bad amount to save?
>>24751595
>Less than 1/4 you make is left over.
>You think this is good, considering you said you're x2 over the average.
Just stop.
>>24751543
>only have $400 left over
>only have $4800 annually left over
What world do you live in where that's not a lot left over?
>>24751545
If you have money to barely afford to live in an expensive as fuck place like SoCal, the bay area, Manhattan, etc..., you have enough money to move to a flyover state. Or just move to a cheaper area in your state. There are cheap, decent areas in California and the North East.
>>24751628
>He thinks $4800 a YEAR is a lot.
It isn't.
Now calculate for the average income.
>>24751573
>My family is here and I can live here rent free
>and I can live here rent free
Well then this whole discussion about cost of living was a waste of time for both of us.
Why are you complaining about this shit if you don't have any experience with it?
>>24751610
Wew, looks like someone can't read. He said that if he made the national median, he'd have $400 left over each month.
>>24750268
This. Alot of you seem to forget that the turning over of power to women is not just sexual. Women are getting more jobs and gaining more power in authoritarian roles whereby creating a society where males are nothing but cattle compared to women.
>>24751658
BECAUSE I CAN'T MOVE OUT UNLESS I GET ROOMATES OR FIND A JOB ELSEWHERE WHERE I DON'T HAVE FAMILY SUPPORT
AND IF I FIND A HUSBAND HERE AND HIS FAMILY IS HERE, WE DON'T JUST WANT TO ABANDON OUR FAMILIES WHO HAVE THEIR OWN JOBS JUST TO SAVE MONEY
>>24751610
Are you illiterate? I said I'd have that much if I made half of what I make now.
>>24751666
>>24751688
>conflating national average and state median living expenses
Gee, now why would I have a problem here?
>>24751693
Wew lads, I didn't think it was possible to be illiterate and have internet usage. He implied he's not in the US, you mongoloid.
>>24751299
Men live with their parents because were not in the best economy right now. Your entire argument is real men buy me everything I want and pay for my existence or your a just a boy.
>>24751693
Not to mention he didn't even cover all the expenses.
>>24751730
>Men live with their parents because were not in the best economy right now
Men live with their parents because they're making poor life choices.
>>24751729
>He's not in the US!
>Uses US monetary symbols.
>We're illiterate.
So he's talking about something he knows nothing about, then?
>>24751730
It's only a recent phenomenon that men have left home to make their own. It used to be they stayed and helped build a bigger family WITH family.
>>24751732
I did though.
>>24751754
Canada uses US monetary symbols you dip.
>>24751774
>I did though.
You didn't.
>HURR DURR CANADA
Weed?
>>24751751
I'd rather marry a man who lived with his parents until marriage and is debt free and has substantial savings than a man who lived with roomates and crap and was an "adult" but still has massive student loans and car payments and crap like that.
>>24748780
Probably 99% of 20 year olds aren't married or have made any progression into adult responsibilities. They just stretched as far into the late 20s and early 30s as they could to be dramatic.
>>24751477
What a shitty world we live in.
>>24751045
>frenchies
What wrong with the French?
>>24751783
>You didn't.
Yes I did; are you just trolling at this point?
>I spend like $2100/month for myself, my wife who is in high school, her horse, and the land we live on.
That means everything. I'm excluding my car payments because it's a car I'd never buy if I made even 5k less.
>>24751821
>What wrong with the French?
they think they are the best and anything french is the most amazing thing?
>>24751849
>I included everything.
>Well, not everything.
>Are you trolling?
...
>>24749373
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Fuck r9k and its original comment rule.
>>24749904
You'd have to be really stupid to believe that dumb shit.
>>24748780
>because men are no longer stepping up to the plate
That's funny. I thought it had to do with women being fat lazy leeches that can cheat on you at any moment and then steal all your shit in a divorce.
>>24749476
Holy shit I'm only 19 and this punched me in the chest.
>>24748861
>commitment is necessary
The marriage exists but the commitment (from women) does not.
>>24751956
And there we have it. The crux of the problem. The contract called marriage isn't actually marriage as women talk about it.
It's just another bait and switch. It's always obvious too, because they start tying to define what being a man is despite being a woman.
>>24749416
slut shame
>>24749837
>women will more readily fuck betas for fun.
>genetically engineered babies
>>24751988
Nah, the opposite. We keep doing what we're doing. Ignoring them until they get the point.
>>24748780
Because marriage as an institution is becoming an unreasonable investment
>fail to make her happy, lose half of your stuff
>lost your would be children
>permanent social stigma if bad husband
etc. Point is, it is too much pressure. The risks outweigh the rewards. We need to make marriage about love, not property.
>>24751369
>Literally nowhere in the US are most people struggling to provide for a family on one average income
>people will reply seriously to this post
>>24751884
The car costs 300k USD.
I wouldn't own a car that expensive if I made an average income.
>>24751751
>its their own fault they can't find jobs.
Must have been tough being a man in the great depression.
>>24748780
There's literally no point in getting married, as a Western male in today's society. Women in general have been spoiled to the point where they think (and in most cases can) get whatever the fuck they want. They only want to fuck top-tier guys, even if they happen to be low-tier themselves; they expect everyone to wait on them hand and foot; they fuck every guy they possibly can and them expect some retard to settle for used good, etc.
Plus, if they get sick of you, they can fuck you over with a divorce settlement and ruin your entire life. Any male that gets married nowadays and gets fucked over deserves absolutely no sympathy, since they know damn well what they're getting themselves into.
The way I see it, if you're attractive enough, just pump and dump because western women nowadays aren't deserving of anything better. If you're not attractive enough, just wait a few years for VR to become a mainstream thing.
>>24751369
"nobody is struggling"
>40 million americans are under the poverty line
>300 million americans
>1 in 7 americans are struggling
"literally no one"
>>24752054
So you just undid you're entire point? Nice. Here's a shovel, maybe you can dig that hole you're in deeper. What would you do if you needed two cars? Or a babysitter? Or a home of your own? Or college expenses? Or diapers? Or paying for the birth of multiple kids? Or...
Well, I could keep going. But I think you're getting the point now.
>>24751982
Marriage vows are just empty words that are taking up time between her walking down the isle and showing off her dress to her getting to that open bar and having some cake.
"For better or for worse" means "you better make it better or I'm leaving."
"In sickness and in health" means "you better not get too sick because I'm not your caretaker."
"For richer and for poorer" means "you better not get too poor I can't be seen shopping for clothes at Target."
Why aren't men marrying anymore?
Gee, could it have something to do with women ignoring men when they try and tell women what the problems with marriage are?
I mean, it's called a marriage. Not a wifeage.
>>24749559
Having kids in a committed relationshit can still get you fucked over if you decide to split.
>>24751369
If you're a single male and you don't live in SF or NY you can get by comfortably on 3K a month, as long as you aren't up to your eyeballs in debt.
It's when you have to start supporting a wife and children that things get difficult. Babies and women are money-burning machines. Part of the reason society tries to pressure men into dating/marriage is because so many businesses rely on men chasing pussy and having kids in order to make money. If men only spent money on themselves, the economy would suffer.
>>24751514
Literally moving at the start of the year to somewhere cheaper where I can find similar work. SoCal should be abandoned, you can't live out here on the lower spectrum.
>>24748780
>slut author blames men for not marrying
>ignores the fact that women are able to cheat and get paid for it through divorce
>>24752101
>mfw divorced and my ex-wife actually said all that shit
>despite being perfect as a girlfriend
>people still blamed me for her actions
>>24751680
>IF I FIND A HUSBAND
>WE DON'T JUST WANT
So you already know what your imaginary husband wants huh? No wonder you're alone.
>>24752076
No one making an average salary.
>>24752084
I could easily afford it, I've budgeted it in.
I have savings. Go whine more you single mom.
>>24752076
>Literally nowhere in the US are most people struggling to provide for a family on one average income
>one average income
>>24752138
>I've budgeted it in.
All that shit I mentioned? Okay, Canada, let's see those numbers. Let's start with the price of giving birth.
>inb4 your run Canadian numbers arguing about living in the US
>>24752150
But women are paid $0.75 on the $1.00 a man makes. :^)
>>24752101
You know what we really lost? Shame.
When marriage meant something, the women who left when a man got too sick when they vowed "in sickness and in health" or lost his job when they vowed "for better or worse" would live with immense shame for the rest of their lives. They would be known until the day they died as "the whore who dropped [insert name here] like a sack of potatoes for her own selfish desires".
That's the way we set everything right and make marriage mean something again, bring back shame. Let adulterers wear the scarlet letter, better yet make adultery a crime like it was in Korea up until a little while ago.
>>24752153
>births have a constant price
Could you stop trolling?
>>24752114
Where I live, you can support a family of 4 fairly comfortably on $3k a month.
>If men only spent money on themselves, the economy would suffer
This is not necessarily true. If they're not spending money, they're saving. And saving is, to a certain point, as beneficial to the economy as spending.
>>24748780
>normal progression into adult roles of responsibility
I don't need a legal contract to officialize my adulthood, or love for a partner. Fucking poisonous attitude.
>>24752173
Didn't stop the feminist revolution. It's a trick that won't work twice.
Seriously, what's going on is working just fine. Just keep ignoring them and deciding how to live your own life regardless of how shitty their own lives get (on their OWN actions). Throw marriage in the trash. Men will do just fine advancing civilization without being married. Women won't.
>>24752198
>argue average incomes when they're not constant
>argue average expenses when they're not
>exclude expenses to fit your argument
>accuse others of trolling
>>24752168
>But women are paid $0.75 on the $1.00 a man makes
This is my favorite feminist meme desu ne.
>>24752204
>I don't need a legal contract to officialize my adulthood, or love for a partner. Fucking poisonous attitude.
This. Women have no right to define what manhood is. The faster men wake up and realize this the better we'll all be.
>>24752227
I love using it against them, too.
>>24752173
OMG STOP SLUT
>SHAMING
Casual sex was the beginning of the end for marriage. The internet has only made it worse. The liberal medium/SJWs tell young women they can have all the casual sex they want (probably because the people telling them also had casual sex, feel guilty, and the only way to appease their guilt is to make it normal).
What's worse is that they lie and tell them that prince charming will overlook their number.
Top fucking kek.
I can't wait for millennial women to hit the wall so hard their heads explode. Hopefully I'll have a nice feminine asian wife with strong family values. We'll just enjoy our popcorn and admire the decline from our nice white picketed fenced house. A man can only dream...
>>24752227
>create business that only hires women (nobody will give a fuck, can't be sexist against men)
>save 25% on labor costs
Nobody has tried this, which means either one of two things: the wage gap is total bullshit or men are such better employees than women that the free market has determined men deserve to be paid more.
>>24752260
You know the funny part? They always ALWAYS imagine prince chaming as neither being a Chad or a beta, but some weird and immature merger of the two. They simply cannot see men as people with their own personalities and lives.
>>24752284
They did try this.
It failed. Horribly.
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
>>24752321
>this is how women manage a business
>think they have the ability to manage a marriage
top keke
>>24749215
Ultra combo
>>24752220
>what's going on is working just fine
It's not though. When marriage was actually legitimate and a respectable institution, do you think we had Supreme Gentlemen? Do you think we had socially isolated, khv betas shooting up everywhere? Fuck no we didn't, even the betas had faithful women at the time, because women who were unmarried were shamed, and whores were shamed. Women were literally FORCED by society to pick someone who was at their level and stick with them. The only way you could be an older unmarried woman and not be shamed was if you were a widow, and even then sleeping around was shamed.
Sure if we leave things the way they're going things are gonna get better, but they're gonna fucking collapse first. Women are gonna hold on to what they have under this system until civilization as we know it goes belly up. They have no concept of societal preservation, and so the only point at which they will care is when their security and provisions are taken away, and by that point everything will be fucked.
>>24752260
You're completely right. I actually love seeing videos of western women living in SE Asia. It's really funny to watch them try to wrap their heads around the fact that men actually like feminine, demure, virginal women.
>>24749952
>Basic income
Never. Going. To happen.
>>24752373
>Women are growing more and more unhappy.
>Some asshole wants to "force another fix" when it's heading to a solution of it's own soon enough.
Yeah. Give feminists more reason to push MORE legislation to enslave you further. Just ignore them. It will fix itself if you don't coward out like a bitch.
>>24752373
>I WANT IT FIXED AND I WANT IT NOW!
Literally as bad as a feminist.
>>24752168
but men pay most of the taxes and women receive most of the benefits taxes :^)
>>24751581
That's bullshit fampai
Being a man means you need to have value and utility of some kind. You don't get to say "I'm a man" while jerking off to hentai in your mom's basement, basically wasting everybody else's air and contributing nothing to society.
A man who has no function or purpose has no value. This is a very deep psychological hard-wired concept, its instinctual. This is why most homeless people are men, and why feminists get their shitty demands met over MRAs who are seen as a joke. Because we are programmed on a deep, primal level, to value women above men. Women automatically have value because they're the only ones that can make babies, and from an evolutionary standpoint that is very important.
So as a man you have to make your own purpose, and be useful in ways that women can't be, which is difficult in a society that has been actively undermining all positive roles for men and demonizing masculine traits.
>Being a man will, and always will be, about exercising your right to choose how to live your life. Not one woman, or even another man, has the ability to tell you how to do that.
There's a difference between living a respectable life, and letting your manhood be completely defined by women. But you don't get to be a useless piece of shit and expect to be a man in anything other than the biological sense.
>>24752402
>>24752430
>Literally not reading what I said.
Of course if we just let things go on like they are, it will get fixed, but everything is gonna collapse before it does. Women run the fucking show, and they aren't gonna give that up until the walls literally collapse around their ears, and even then many will probably be in denial.
So we can either let the shit hit the fan, let civilization collapse under the reckless and dangerous rule of women, or we can step the fuck up and start controlling women. We all know who has the superior mind for building civilizations, it's time we started using it again.
>>24752444
:^) But you deserve it you oppressor! Pay reFEMtriations!
>>24752457
>mfw a woman tries to argue I should be useful to her around me
Fuck you. All you did is shame in your entire post to make your point. Typical female.
>>24752464
It's already collapsed. You're just ignoring it. It's a bubble. There is nothing of substance. Collapsing IS the answer.
>>24752507
>Typical female.
I'm not even a woman, and I explicitly said that you shouldn't let your manhood be defined by women. You might consider the possibility that you are an idiot.
>>24752531
>No, see, I'm agreeing with you!
But you sure as fuck went out of your way to say...
>You don't get to say "I'm a man" while jerking off to hentai in your mom's basement, basically wasting everybody else's air and contributing nothing to society.
So, yeah, I called you a whiny woman because you sound just like one. But, your post was super, "useful." By, "useful," I mean, "not at all," and by your definition, "not manly."
>inb4 special pleading
>>24752507
>It's already collapsed
Nah, mate. You see, I been around the block more than even the average normie. In short, I've seen some shit, seen people with body parts blown off, stabbing victims, rape victims, stared down the barrel of a loaded gun.
If you think that today's world is as bad as it gets, you are dead fucking wrong. When law and order goes the world becomes a scary place for everyone, from the hardest soldier to the most beta fucker on this board, and that's EXACTLY where we are headed unless we fucking do something about it.
Women don't care, they will still have their providers. Literally the worst thing that people could envision happening to them (rape) is their #1 fetish. Women are gonna have it easier than us men even as the world burns. What I'm saying is that we can stop the world burning by just taking control of women and stepping up to the plate.
>>24748780
because atheist communities support baby lynching
>>24752603
>all that tough talk
Well, I deployed, too. Guess what? I still disagree. Because you're a dumb fuck that can't seem to understand that collapse =/= mass destruction.
You can use fear all you want to paint something that isn't going to happen, though, so you can maybe sway 2% of the readers here.
The rest of us will continue on continuing on.
So your advice is to be born into a non-shit area, and make 70k+ a year? Shit, why didn't I think of that!?
