ETERNAL REMINDER that if you're part of the 99.999% who don't own private property you have no reason to not support going FULL COMMUNISM
ETERNAL REMINDER that capitalism relies on worker exploitation to survive, and it's beginning to quickly regress into feudalism (such as fracking companies forcibly seizing people's property in England)
ETERNAL REMINDER that Communism is the true beta uprising
>But communism failed before!
So did most slave rebellions, and so did most independent republics for thousands of years before the French Revolution.
>But I'll surely be rich in the future!
No you won't, the best you'll ever get is a middle-class life where you will still always be a wageslave and one paycheck away from poverty and homelessness.
>But muh calvanism, if people fail they're meant to!
Go live in a forest and fight for survival from predators much larger than you if you think that's what life should be about. Everything that is going to survive is cooperation, not competition. The winner's glory moment will be a pale memory in history.
>But Communism killed so many people!
Those people were going against the community.
Society > the individual
How does one manage any country without having people designated as leaders
On one hand you are right. On the other hand, robots are mostly not part of the community. They are hated by the community. They are disconnected from society.
>>24740323
>Let me be an edgy hipster drinking lattes produced by capitalism while deriding it, and ignoring all historical precedents that show that socialism never works
>But Communism killed so many people!
>Those people were going against the community
>It's fine to kill people because of muh ideals
Now you're just baiting.
Socialist here
Bump for the Cause
>>24740383
Nice ad homonym. It's funny because you probably accuse people of using ad homonyms all the time yet here you are using one yourself
communism is pretty much theoretically perfect, but human imperfections make it near impossible on a large scale
>>24740529
That's why it should be made in ways that accounts for human imperfection.
My family was from the USSR and they're pretty based about the whole communism thing. They tell me Gorby would've saved everyone if he started liberalization slower and had the public back him more. The USSR in the 21st century would keep balance in the world. The whole concept of communism is a cultural thing Americans wouldn't understand. They're afraid of what they don't understand just how the soviets were scared of the west. Humans always fuck shit up.
>part of .001%
>feels good man
fuck off pinko
>>24740522
It's always the case though, the only people that unironically support socialism are ones that are unaware of history or underlining theories. Also nice reverse ad homein, I've actually never accussed people of using them until now when you just used it.
So a doctor earns the same as a garbage man?
Imagine a USSR that survived and came back like China in the turn of the century . Instead of everything made in China it coulda been made in the USSR.
>>24740323
>the 99.999% who don't own private property
The fuck are you on about?
In America even the working class usually owns a home. Not an apartment, their own home.
In my state you can buy wooded land for like $2K an acre.
>>24740323
I do own private property though
>>24740323
>Failed before.
No it failed everytime in every country across the world.
You don't get a 257th chance.
>>24740529
this is such a typical meme response
>hurr it's perfect but humans aren't good enough
you're like the billionth person to spout that meme
>>24740936
You haven't refuted anything, you dumb memer.
Communism is a failed ideology, just like Islam.
>>24740974
yeah it's a failed ideology because it's a shit ideology
>unironically promoting communism over a faux-democratic oligarchy
Are you some kind of idiot? Humans are intrinsically dicks, and communism is just a totalitarian state with some half-assed leftist philosophy, or an authoritarian state that pretends to work for the people while exploiting the shit out of them. At least right now you can live a beautiful meritocratic lie instead of eternal purgatory and a soul crushing march to empathy.
Except the economy will fucking collapse. Do you want a tiny majority eating potatoes while the vast minority eats dogshit or do you want everyone to eat dogshit with pepper?
>>24741034
>said empathy
>meant entropy
>while calling someone an idiot
Well fuck, that's a lot of spaghetti.
>family owns property
>allows me to live at home so I can save and own my own property
>have a decent job with room for improvement
>communism is a good idea in theory, but some assholes always take over and start killing people while living like kings.
>>24740323
Oh, suck my balls, you prol shitstain. If I could, I'd make sure to keep you down with the rest of the 99,9999% and have exploited the shit out of you and your normie community for my personal gain.
>>24740323
>probably from a middle class/upper class family
>never been to a council estate/hood/slum
>probably is to much of a liberal kek to fight in an actual revolution
>eywunnamakedaworldabeddaplaceagaynemum
>>24740993
you still have no points, all you've said is that you dislike it. what the fuck does your opinion mean you diluted fuckwit?
>>24741173
i don't give a shit about proving you wrong
i came here to call you a faggot and say that boring opinion on communism is cliche and passe
stop trying to start arguments about pointless shit on the mongolian meme machine
just accept the fact that what you said was a meme
>>24741247
>i have no points to make, i just came here to insult you
>admit you're wrong
who else /highschool/ here
>>24741173
Methinks the burden of proof is on your end anon. Stop being a memespouting idiot, quoting "clever" one liners about the nature of humanity. Even Marx thought communism was a terrible idea.
>>24740323
Pretty sure it's much more than 0.001% of people who own property retard
As long as every single person is forced to work, and useless people get shot I'd be all for communism.
>>24740529
Weed out the imperfect humans and only keep the perfect ones.
>>24741298
lol get over it or fuck off to reddit you fag
>everyone argues
>except people with worthwhile opinions
>they are ignored in favor of ravenous shitlords and nationalistic ideology
>stealing is fine as long as you tell the victim it's for his own good
>tfw you are sexually attracted to the dictatorship of the proletariat
>>24740323
A lot more than .0001% of people own private property.
>>24740323
>hurr the best way to achieve a stateless, classless society is by having a really powerful state and force people to obey and to be equal
>durr muh proofs, my dialectical materialism
God, Communists are such fucking morons
>>24741298
sounds like you are dipshit. You're the one here who genuinely thinks you'll be able to convince someone to believe in your ideology.
>>24740323
>Those people were going against the community.
>Society > the individual
NOPE. Not gonna pave over the weirdos just so society can seemingly function smoothly. Both are equally important and some excruciatingly-hard-to-maintain equilibrium must be maintained between the self and the larger societal whole. Society needs troublemakers in order to adapt and thrive. The hard part is channeling that potentially devastating energy into something positive. It's so fucking hard.
>So did most slave rebellions, and so did most independent republics for thousands of years before the French Revolution.
Yes but communism operates on the sheer hope that humans will transcend their humanity. It's not fucking practical.
>>24740529
Then it's useless. Political ideologies must realistically assess human nature.
>>24740347
Robots have a lot of the answers to our problems and the talent to improve our current situation. It'll take a cyborg to help these people find a role that will nourish their talents and benefit society.
This thread looks like a /pol/ thread
True communism cannot exist in a world with scarce resources. Keep dreamin' doe
>>24740974
Huur duur
>>24740323
I don't own property myself and neither do most of the young people out there in their 20's (even late 20's), but as sympatetic I could be with the "left", I simply cannot let them take the property for which my parents worked for.....
Family first.
>inb4 pleb owns nothing and everyone is already a self made man who owns his own house/car appliances with no family support whatsoever
>>24740323
I agree, problem is that people are greedy pigs and they will never really embrace those ideas.
step forward would be if people at least stopped mindlessly following media, I mean we are at the break of new world war and people are actually wishing for this war to "show" the other side who is the boss.
in the end no one would be the boss and only one suffering would be those very same warmongering people as we can see it in syria for example. they got pulled into civil war by propaganda with promise of better tomorrow yet they ended losing more than they could have achieved if the civil war did not failed.
>>24740323
I'm polish, so I had that shit first-hand. commies should be shot on sight
>>24743860
How was life under the soviet regime?
Was there starvation? Your parents shurelly should know something about this.....
I don't support communism because 8 want to be a scientist, not work on a collective farm
Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just not the work for me
>>24743879
wasn't that bad. we were regarded as the most fun barrack in the soviet camp because in poland you could get away with shit that would get you to prison in russia for treason. the worst was in the 1950's when the soviets were building their puppet regime and where eliminating the most dangerous individuals. the problem with communism is that it's a disease of the mind and fucks you up both socially and economically. it basically turns you into a peasant. actually, it antagonized society as fuck in the 80's when there are so many shortages that the state issued stamps for food stamps, I shit you not. we're catching up to the west now, but poland was a shithole by western standards in the 90's and that was a direct result of 45 years of that shit tier system
>>24743830
Syrians were active in the Arab Spring and were brutally crushed by Assad's regime before they could even really congregate and demand change. Their love of modern day Germany speaks volumes to me about the type of society they wish to be a part of. If the people - not the upper echelons, but the everyday people - of Europe and America want to rectify this situation with Syrian refugees, then we will have to do what has never been done before. We will have to accomplish what Bush promised but never delivered all those years ago: we will have to successfully help another country construct a real democracy. That means reigning in our own governments' interests in regards to raping that area for resources. They can't do that when we're getting fucked over because of it.
>>24743879
I am not from poland but slovakia and I can tell you this. our politicians fucked us harder in first 4 years after velvet revolution than ussr did for all the decades of occupation together.
I want /r9k/ politicians to leave.
Communism is for those who have no concept of individual success, because they have never achieved it. I wouldn't be surprised if OP is on neetbux, because if he actually had worked a day in his life, he'd feel just as sick of people taking his money as everyone else.
And the solution to people taking your money is not "Not giving any money in the first place."
>>24744004
people still falling for the whole arab spring and democracy for everyone meme? we all know how democracy in iraq ended up.
>>24740323
How would commissar Chad throwing me into a work camp to toil away until I drop dead be any better than the current situation?
chekamate
>>24744158
Money is one of the world's first memes. It's not even a real thing.
>>24744315
then go back to barter and see how you'll fare, you retard
>>24740323
communism may be a perfect philosophy, which means its useless for society because people are imperfect.
you can't abolish the power structure, all of the power goes into the mechanism of abolishment, and then you end up with Stalin and other psychopaths.
pretty simple stuff here, folks.
You made the mistake to not distance yourself from past projects of communism, which in truth were not a failure. Marx original theories have to be revamped, as has happened many times in the 20th century, but it also means to acknowledge that both China and especially the Soviet Union failed (as communist states)
>>24744249
That was a fucking farce and you know it.
Iraqis got fucked over. Americans got fucked over (where's that 8.5 trillion? will someone audit the DOJ? No? Quelle fucking suprise). Everyone got fucked over but a small network of soulless assholes.
Honestly it makes sense though. The American people need to monitor another country's progress toward a stable democratic state if we pledge to help them otherwise everyone will get fucked over.
>>24744361
Everyone sucking my dick is a perfect philosophy, only ruined by the selfish reluctance of everyone around me.
>>24744365
>Before communism: agrarian shithole
>During communism: second most powerful nation in the world, paving the way to the stars
>After communism: gas pumping shithole
Let's fail more often, senpai. Success is not a place I want to be.
>>24744315
>It's not even a real thing
Currency are tokens (usually metallics) that represent a certain value.
>>24744409
then stick to capitalism, as it is doomed to fail next.
The point is that by sticking to failed projects of a past (apparently the criteria for success is being a world power, and not the life of the society, which was not all that great under stalinism as you may or may not know) you close away possibilitys of the future, which can make use of marxist theory and analysis without attaching itself to past projects.
>>24744347
Yes, money is a useful idea that works for some people, those protected by guns.
>>24740323
>99.999% who don't own private property
Thanks for putting something so retarded in the beginning of your post so I didn't have to waste my time reading the rest of it.
>>24744409
with a heavy helping of torture, murder and permanent exile to slave away until you die in a frozen wasteland for everyone commisar chad doesn't like
>>24744418
That represent what?
>>24744409
Sure they were fampai sure they were.
>>24744418
>that represent a certain value.
Not anymore. "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ten pounds" is a pretty empty phrase to have on a ten pound note. Money is the liabilities of the central bank. The liabilities of the central bank are backed up by government debt. Which means pretty much nothing.
>>24744466
top kek
>implying that a modern service-based society would be sustainable with barter
money is a useful idea because it makes things simpler, you b8ter
Capitalism, Communism, Socialism.
They're all just different flavors of statism.
Back to the hunter gatherer lifestyle I say. That's real freedom.
>>24744489
A certain value of course. A fraction of what goods or services could cost. It's a lot handier than trading one cow for one month of serfdom.
>>24744516
Explain how its value is set.
Would it by chance be set by those with property and guns?
>>24744509
but that's more of a problem with the cancerous system we have today instead of the concept of money itself. thank the bankers for that
Communism won't work until we reach full mechanization, ie all labor is done by machines.
Then we will HAVE to adopt communism to keep society working since there will be no jobs. Until then however, we need free market capitalism (not crony capitalism, not quasi socialism, not corporatism)
>>24744158
>he'd feel just as sick of people taking his money as everyone else.
you're all greedy pricks, your souls are owned by Satan, and you're going to hell desu
>>24744519
>enslaved by the struggle of survival
>freedom
Civilization can be the only thing that provides actual freedom, though we seem to be moving away from it further and further, thus i can see why anarcho-primitivism seems desirable
>>24744477
If a little bit of torture, murder and permanent exile could make even Russia respectable, imagine what it could do in a real country.
>>24744559
>Want a reward for doing something
>Greedy
>Self-advancement
>Bad
>>24744409
Communism = classless, stateless society
There was no actual communism in Russia, maybe a socialist dictatorship, you're mistaking it for Ukraine during the Bolshevik revolution which was the closest thing to actual communism that we ever saw.
>>24744555
it's value is set by how much another person is willing to give you for your bank notes. also, that's what gold reserves are for. I can't believe I'm explaining this shit here
>>24740323
You raise valid points, but you do realize sites like these would be banned and us robots would get arrested under communism right?
>>24744563
Give an operational definition of what you mean by civilization.
>>24744558
once there will be machines able to do the dirty job working class will become obsolete and I bet there will be attempts to completely eradicate it. why share if you can have robots working only for yourself?
>>24744606
That still explains nothing.
>>24744639
then you're a retarded hipster who cannot into economics 101
>>24744586
A civilization (US) or civilisation (UK) is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification, symbolic communication forms (typically, writing systems), and a perceived separation from and domination over the natural environment by a cultural elite
>>24744666
Why do bank notes and gold have value? I'm trying to go deeper than your superficial memes.
>>24740887
Yugoslavia?F U CK OFF MUTE
>>24744666
Tell me how you personally set the value of your bank note.
>>24744713
Becuse that has been established due to supply & demand and shit
You're really special aintcha
>>24744764
>Becuse that has been established due to supply & demand and shit
*heavy giggling*
1. Capitalism does rely on exploitation, but it is not regressing. We are going from imperialism of democratic republics to imperialism of authoritarian bourgeois dictatorships, stripped of formal democracy. Soviet Union without the socialism, Nazi Germany without the nation, Singapore on crack.
2. 'Society' as such is an abstraction, the community is no more than the sum of its constituent parts - that is, each individual. Individuals collaborate to further their interests, that is the point of communism. An individualist theory which necessarily involves collective action. As an aside, this opens us up to the mewling 'critiques' of /pol/tards: on one hand, we are drones with no independent thought, on the other, selfish egotists who don't care about muh race.
I would do an 'ask questions' thing but my economics are shameful. I understand historical materialism though.
>>24744713
because people want them. there is nothing more to it. gold is shiny and also useful in electronics (that obviously wasn't a factor before the 20th century). bank notes are pieces of paper that state that you own a certain ammount of gold and you use them because gold is heavy
>>24744753
by giving your mom the D, retard. seriously, that question is even stupider than that other retard
>>24744713
it has value because of people. if out of the nowhere people stopped using it, it would be worthless papers and useless metal pieces.
>>24744786
bravo *sniff sniff*
>>24744753
>what is haggling
>>24744477
Just another Tuesday for Russia.
It comes with the territory of being a vast expanse that was historically vulnerable to invasions from most directions.
>>24744636
I don't disagree, the elites will probably wipe out most of humanity with bio weapons if we're lucky. if not, they will just create a huge serf class
>>24744915
>Russia
>Historically vulnerable to invasions from most irections
>Traditional russia
>East & North cut off, south irrelevant af, only West is vulnerable
>>24744786
relevent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
>Wolin believes that the United States is increasingly turning into an illiberal democracy, and uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to illustrate similarities and differences between the United States governmental system and totalitarian regimes such as Nazi Germany and the Stalinist Soviet Union.[1][2][3][4] In Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco, inverted totalitarianism is described as a system where corporations have corrupted and subverted democracy and where economics trumps politics.[5] In inverted totalitarianism, every natural resource and every living being is commodified and exploited to collapse as the citizenry is lulled and manipulated into surrendering their liberties and their participation in government through excess consumerism and sensationalism.
>>24744800
>bank notes are pieces of paper that state that you own a certain ammount of gold
The US went off the gold standard some fifty years ago, m8.
>>24744920
Its like that movie where the rich fucks all move to a mega space station and the rest are left living in the surface.
Ofc, in the end, the people eventually invaded the station, fucked up all the jews and launched highjacked ships to the surface.
>>24745018
the US is shit, news at eleven. you asked how money works, you got your answer, faggot
You guys think fascisim is the beta uprising but you are wrong.
All fascism/nazism would do is create false worship for you and they'd just violently revolt against the betas and kill you
In communism there would be no betas or alphas or everyone would be alphas. Everyone would be fit and have strong callussed hands from working hard and living equally. Also there would be no more time for partying or mindless orgies.
Fascism is the perfect ideology for normalfags, the "elites" in fascism would be the normies and all the commoners would be the betas.
Communism and equality are the only way to stop normalfags
>>24745062
>In communism there would be no betas or alphas or everyone would be alphas.
spot the fag who doesn't know shit about communism. everyone would be betas because when everybody is equal, you have to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator. communism is just a form of slavery but without a specific master. read 1984
>>24745127
Wow, i'm amazed by your in-depth knowledge and understanding of how communism works. I was especially thrilled by your advise to read 1984, to fully grasp the implications of a communist society
>>24745127
>everyone would be betas because when everybody is equal, you have to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator
Get back in the grave, Malthus.
Really though, have you any evidence to support that? I have some to contradict it - you. Are you an illiterate subsistence farmer?
>read 1984
Which was written by a revolutionary socialist who fought in a Trotskyist militia during the Spanish Civil War. Read the Road to Wigan Pier.
>>24740776
>part of .001%
>posts on /r9k/
Why would someone lie on the internet?
>>24745051
When the US went off the gold standard the Bretton-Woods system broke down, meaning the entire world went off the gold standard, friend.
>>24745307
>>24745314
I live in a post-commie country, you faggots. inb4 not true communism meme or muh anecdotal evidence
>Which was written by a revolutionary socialist who fought in a Trotskyist militia during the Spanish Civil War.
because he recognized what a shit system it is. he still portrayed in properly in his book, so your argument is moot
>>24744749
>One mediocre country that had been slowly falling apart for two decades before it finally broke up in the 1990s.
Wow, you sure showed him, comrade
>not being an anarchist
Why do Leninists still exist after the Soviet Union failed so miserably to create anything more palatable than the fucking Nordic Model? Human nature fags are kinda right: once you artificially elevate some people over others, they are going to treat those below them like shit. The solution is to destroy all authority.
>>24745386
>I live in a post-commie country, you faggots
Which one?
You can't 'try' communism. I'm not arguing this point.
You live in a post-socialist country, where socialism was tried and failed. How do l know it failed? It made very little headway towards communism.
>because he recognized what a shit system it is
No, because he perceived it to have been hijacked. He never renounced his revolutionary or socialist convictions. I don't think it was hijacked - the errors that brought Stalin and co. to power were visible in Lenin and Trotsky's writings, especially Trotsky.
How old are you, anyway?
>>24745546
>You live in a post-socialist country, where socialism was tried and failed. How do l know it failed? It made very little headway towards communism.
I inb4 this and you still do it. you leftards are fucking hopeless. I'm the polfag that wrote here earlier
>How old are you, anyway?
what does it matter? are you trying to use ad hominem argumentation? your beloved system is not only oppresive but also unsustainable, deal with it. it's a failed experiment that belongs in the trash bin of history
>>24745539
>destroy all authority
Like the authority of Makhno, Kropotkin and Bakunin?
>>24745642
Fantastic meme
>>24745641
>I inb4 this and you still do it.
This may be your poor English, but you didn't. You inb4'd communism has never been tried, I said you can't try it. There is a qualitative difference. If you don't know what qualitative means, google it.
I said that you live in an ex-socialist country, which you do. Socialism is a political theory, communism is a mode of production. You can't 'try' communism any more than people in ancient Rome could 'try' industrial capitalism.
A certain socialist tendency call themselves communists, because unlike their opposition, the reformist socialists, they endeavour to establish a revolutionary socialist society which will lay the foundations for developing communism. How do these socialists gauge success or failure? By their progress towards communism.
>what does it matter?
Considering that you said you lived in a post-soviet state, I'd like to know whether you actually lived in the Soviet Union or not.
Also, I'd like to see you explain how my argument would be invalidated by my calling you a faggot. A fallacy is only relevant if it is the only content in the argument. Faggot.
>it's a failed experiment
As was the First French Republic, yet here we are, living in bourgeois republics, under a capitalist mode of production which failed time and time again before achieving hegemonic status. Langweilig.
>dustbin of history
Quoting Lenin are we?
>>24740342
Without people doing none of the work and putting their opponents in prison? Gee, I wonder.
>>24740323
Communism is worse than even corporatism. I support human extinction.
>>24745911
I support either/or
>>24745911
Can I borrow that edge? Need to cut some capitalist throats.
>>24745856
>This may be your poor English, but you didn't. You inb4'd communism has never been tried, I said you can't try it. There is a qualitative difference. If you don't know what qualitative means, google it.
>I said that you live in an ex-socialist country, which you do. Socialism is a political theory, communism is a mode of production. You can't 'try' communism any more than people in ancient Rome could 'try' industrial capitalism.
yes, I did. it's fundamentally the same shit even without you splitting the hair
>Considering that you said you lived in a post-soviet state, I'd like to know whether you actually lived in the Soviet Union or not.
poland was never in the soviet union, senpai
>Also, I'd like to see you explain how my argument would be invalidated by my calling you a faggot. A fallacy is only relevant if it is the only content in the argument. Faggot.
it wouldn't, but faggots around here certainly think it does
>As was the First French Republic, yet here we are, living in bourgeois republics, under a capitalist mode of production which failed time and time again before achieving hegemonic status. Langweilig.
the french republic was one example, you have almost a hundred years of examples of why communism doesn't work. you'll still dismiss it as socialism and not true communism, though, so I should stop arguing now after hearing this meme
>Quoting Lenin are we?
yeah, I know you like it, bitch. now, bend over
>>24745942
No, it's mine. Get your own.
>>24745705
No, really, I'm confused. Why do anarchists claim to oppose all authority, when in reality its only formal authority they disagree with? Nestor Makho was unchallenged, people did what he said. He had no title or office, nobody elected him. He was a petty tyrant.
Bakunin and Kropotkin are treated with reverence by anarchists. If you criticise them, well, you simply haven't read enough. If we did that shit, we'd be accused by our own comrades of memery.
The problem is that communism is just another hierarchy.
Hierarchies by their nature are oppressive, even though communism tries in earnest to tackle the oppressive nature of hierarchies, it does it through a hierarchy and thus doesn't rid itself of the problems entailed in a class system.
>>24746021
modern anarchists are just liberals with an "edgy" hat on
>only child
>dad owns three houses
>ive already bought one
>in ~10 years when he dies Ill own 4 houses entirely paid off
>thats ~$900 to ~$1500 a week from three houses and taking rent alone
>will never have to work in my life again, could do so to buy and pay off another house in under three or four years max
stay mad edgy teenagers. Communism is never coming back. We're here forever.
>>24740323
The red wave will wash over all.
>>24740323
>if you're part of the 99.999% who don't own private property you have no reason to not support going FULL COMMUNISM
welp, looks like I can't go communistEveryone is better off with capitalism where very few are poor or rich and most are in the middle. Whereas every-fucking-one is poor in communism.
Social democracy is the one true god.
>Communists are so desperate for more political power they have to recruit from brain dead losers to bolster their numbers
T O P
FUCKING
K E K
You will
NEVER
EVER
OVERTHROW
CAPITALISM
NEVER EVER!!!!
>>24746021
>Nestor Makho was unchallenged, people did what he said. He had no title or office, nobody elected him. He was a petty tyrant.
What Makho did or didn't do is a matter of imperfect historical record. Lots of people admire him based on positive accounts of his movement, others feel differently. A leading figure isn't necessary or necessarily a problem for anarchist movements, though I personally hope future ones can do without. What needs to be avoided is a particular individual or group making decisions instead of the masses.
>Bakunin and Kropotkin are treated with reverence by anarchists. If you criticise them, well, you simply haven't read enough
This doesn't match my experience at all. Realize that it's tempting to accuse communists of idealizing Lenin as well.
>>24746090
Last time I checked "liberals" love government.
>>24745977
>yes, I did. it's fundamentally the same shit even without you splitting the hair
Can you actually demonstrate that rationally, or is it just an inkling you have?
>poland was never in the soviet union, senpai
Half of it was. '21 nevar 4get. It cracks me up that the pseudo-fascist Pilsudski saved you all from Tukhachevsky, only to leave you to be gobbled up by Hitler and Stalin. Totally worth it.
>you have almost a hundred years of examples of why communism doesn't work
And I have a thousand years of failed republics.
>you'll still dismiss it as not true communism
I have no interest in banging my fists against a wall. You've been well primed by /pol/, I must say.
Socialism =/= communism.
You can babble all you want, and try and misrepresent what I've said, but they are different things, google would tell you that if you weren't so cowardly you are afraid to read material that disagrees with you.
I never said 'true' communism, because nothing exists in a 'true' form, except the abstractions and maxims which rattle around inside your head.
>I want to fuck men's arses
Of course you do. The connection between fascism and aggressive homosexuality is well documented. 'B-but its not gay if I'm raping him!' is the unofficial motto of all fascist movements.
>>24746245
>Of course you do. The connection between fascism and aggressive homosexuality is well documented. 'B-but its not gay if I'm raping him!' is the unofficial motto of all fascist movements.
I'm not gay. now let's hatefuck. I can fist you with the invisible hand of the market if you want. it won't be gay if we repeat NO HOMO
>>24746194
>Realize that it's tempting to accuse communists of idealizing Lenin as well.
Maybe in 1950. Lenin hate has become such a meme by this point that Slim Ziz can put up a paltry defence of the vanguard party and have it called edgy.
>Last time I checked "liberals" love government.
Liberals love Liberty. Some liberals believe that to maintain Liberty there has to be some form of state, while other liberals, who used to be called libertarians, believe that any form of state is harmful of Liberty. These liberals are currently referred to as 'anarchists.'
>>24740323
>No you won't, the best you'll ever get is a middle-class life where you will still always be a wageslave and one paycheck away from poverty and homelessness.
Yeah if you're fucking stupid. Pay your bills, put the rest of a check into an index fund, reinvest the dividends.
>>24746335
>Implying I'm not a top
I will smash your angus like the Chinese peasant-worker alliance smashes local tyrants and evil gentry.
[THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO INFORM ALL CADRE THAT THE ERRONEOUS PROGRAMME OF 'PEASANT-WORKER ALLIANCE' IS HIGHLY REACTIONARY. ALL PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE MUST INSTEAD REFER TO THE 'WORKER-PEASANT ALLIANCE'. THE AUTHOR OF THE ABOVE PIECE WILL BE SUBJECTED TO PROPER PARTY DISCIPLINE.]
>>24746451
only if you use the hammer and sickle. just don't touch my balls with your balls. and don't look deeply into my eyes, that's fucking gay
>>24746377
>Lenin hate has become such a meme by this point that Slim Ziz can put up a paltry defence of the vanguard party and have it called edgy.
Whatever you say...virtually every self described communist movement I encounter irl is MLM. Maybe academics are better but I have a hard time caring what they say.
>Liberals love Liberty. Some liberals believe that to maintain Liberty there has to be some form of state, while other liberals, who used to be called libertarians, believe that any form of state is harmful of Liberty. These liberals are currently referred to as 'anarchists.'
Okay? I don't get what's supposed to be bad about 19th century liberalism. Every leftist here likes liberty and wants the state gone eventually, so it's pretty meaningless to describe anarchists in particular as liberals.
>>24744586
hierarchies will and must exist to a degree. i believe they are natural societal formation to a large extent - they have existed in all civilizations and even in nomadic societies. the challenge is making sure that such hierarchies are largely meritocratic and that there is a gradual gradation of wealth rather than an extreme exponential valley where the middle class is nonexistent.
people are brilliant in different ways and that needs to be acknowledged rather than having the state hammer each individual into a lifeless, interchangeable cog which is what happens when communism jumps from theory to practice.
an ideal communist society could only be successfully practiced by a small collective. it cannot be applied to a large country without disastrous consequences because it does not recognize any natural laws of capital that can be found in both nature and economic markets. oh, but you tried, didn't you Russia? you beautiful doomed dreamers.
>>24746157
Enjoy your meaningless reforms regressing away every time
>>24746157
>democracy
>>24746627
>hierarchies will and must exist to a degree. i believe they are natural societal formation to a large extent - they have existed in all civilizations and even in nomadic societies
This is a fallacy. Looking at monarchy, slavery, religion, and collectivism from various points in history would have yielded the same result, yet here we are in a world where societies exist without reliance on these things.
>natural laws of capital that can be found in both nature and economic markets
hahaha the propaganda is working quite well isn't it?
>>24740323
>Society > the individual
Fuck society, I work for myself and my family not for you. I've literally walked out of interviews after finding out that the business had a union.
>>24746977
>I've literally walked out of interviews after finding out that the business had a union.
Those are some sharp edges, anon
>>24746977
>I've literally walked out of interviews after finding out that the business had a union.
Have you no idea what so-called unions in the west, 21st century are about?
>>24740323
>Go live in a forest and fight for survival from predators much larger than you if you think that's what life should be about.
>predators much larger than you
confirmed for African nigger living in a mud hut in the jungle
>>24747014
Not even saying it to be edgy, I've done it because I don't feel like paying union dues for benefits that are already provided by me by states labor statutes. There is nothing guaranteed by a union that your states department of labor doesn't already take care of. It's also an extra layer of management that I have to go through if I want to cross train in multiple departments. I'm not a pleb who just works for a paycheck. I work so I can get better experience than I currently have so that in a year or two I can move on to a BETTER job.
Finally, union dues are used to fund political campaigns that I may or may not agree with.
Unions only benefit those who work in legitimately dangerous conditions, or shitbags who are content to get by in life on minimal effort.
>>24746111
So you earned something for doing nothing?
>>24746891
>hahaha the propaganda is working quite well isn't it?
Biodiversity can be at least be partially attributed to different species competing for the same resources. Successful species find new, innovative ways to collect resources from their surrounding environments. likewise a business innovates to tap into new and established markets in the hopes of amassing wealth.
>This is a fallacy. Looking at monarchy, slavery, religion, and collectivism from various points in history would have yielded the same result, yet here we are in a world where societies exist without reliance on these things.
You're a fallacy. Your pants were probably made with borderline slave labor. We haven't progressed as far as you think. Our lovely elites have simply moved the human degradation to the other side of the planet. Out of sight, out of mind.
>99%
good meme
the majority own private property and will be execute
