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Are gunfags the most delusion people society has to offer? I mean who needs an automatic weapon to ''hunt''?.
>>24683944
libtards are perfectly happy to spout "not all muslims are terrorists"
but hate when gunfags say "not all gunfags are criminals" (actually pretty much none are; its the nignogs who don't follow laws to begin with)
and we're in too deep to do anything significant about guns
gun control does nothing unless you want to destroy the 2nd amendment and take away all guns
>>24683944
noobs who use smgs in red orchestra
>>24683944
Some bias here. If a "mass murder" is stopped it is not a mass murder anymore.
we need full autos because we are by law part of the militia, and in case of an invasion we are the last line of defense for the country.
deal with it dingus
>>24683975
>take away all guns
>terrorists and criminals wont have guns
problem solved
Just ban terrorism. Possibly with a sign.
>>24684062
It's not up to citizens to stop terrorists and criminals though
>>24683944
Pic is BS.
Recent shooting at texas by ISIS sympathizers was stopped by armed civvies before it got bad.
>>24684062
who cares civilians always die either way
>>24684062
What about the government's guns? The point of the Second Amendment is so you can fight them, not so you can shoot some nig trying to break into your house (though that is a nice bonus).
>>24683944
Automatic weapons are for hunting governments, not animals.
>>24684079
#BanTerrorism
>>24684129
yeah take the governments guns too. idc
>>24684138
And dead children is a cost well worth paying for the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government.
Read that over and over again until it sinks in.
We should not handcuff ourselves to the forces of evil just so we can save a few innocent children.
If totalitarian government takes power, those children will be a lot worse off than if they'd just been killed, and so will everybody else. There are things worse than death. Torture and slavery are at the top of the list. And that's what happens under a tyrannical regime.
That's WAY more important than a statistic about kids getting shot. Guess what? Accidents happen. People die. Children die. They will anyway. If guns had never existed, children would still die every single day, all day long. Just like they are now, of a million different things besides guns.
>>24684188
If youre scared of tyrannical governments, dont vote republican :^D
>>24684138
>mfw the US had a 1,000,000:30,000 kdr in Vietnam and people say we lost
Fuck the objectives, I play for kills
>>24684092
It is if they are trying to break into your home and hurt you or steal your shit.
You will not have enough time to call the police.
>>24684225
>americans actually belive this
being an american sounds like such a bother
>hurr durr we have to be the best and delude ourselves when we arent
>>24683944
Nobody ever argued that an automatic weapon should be used to hunt.
>>24684245
Have fun dying every game with no kills, lmao. I'd rather go 8:1 and lose than go 1:8 and win.
>>24684188
Not the guy you were talking to but you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. You made some cool points. I'm already pro-gun though. What political party do you usually vote for? Libertariantard here.
>>24684268
the thing si I wont die, at least not in a tropical asian shithole fighting to defend israel and saudi interests, like american soldiers do, since I dont live in a war mongerinng shithole
>>24684062
You realize how easy it is to make a gun? They've made working guns in prison.
All revoking the second ammendment will due is increase the purchasing of "artistic scrap" where people just need to bore a hole into an otherwise nonworking pistol/rifle made by a former gunsmith. Or are you going to mandate that scrap metal can't be sold?
>>24684268
thats how the actual american police force do their jobs too, i guess. Dont care bout stopping crime, just shoot people.
>>24683944
Picture is entirely related to this very specific question.
>live in a country with lolnoguns laws
>haven't been shot
>haven't missed the chance to stop a terrorist
>government hasn't come and raped my family because I can't defend myself
How does this work?
>>24684268
exactly. their country still isn't fully healed since the war. we absolutely rekt their shit.
also when is the last time you heard of veitnam starting some shit? exactly
>>24684291
We haven't drafted since the 60s last I heard bru
even then only the poorfags go
nigga I'm in college lmao
>>24684292
then u should ban the making of guns too, duh?
>>24684305
> Honestly thinks the government denying you the human right for self defense is not rape
>>24684305
It only happens in countries that matter, sorry
>>24684328
lets also ban metal while we're at it
>>24684302
It's more fun that way
besides, we have plenty of spics and nogs, we can spare some for the funzies
>>24684328
You aren't making a gun. You're making artistic scrap metal. If you put a bullet in the gun and pull the trigger, nothing will happen. You have to alter the artistic vision of the artist to make the scrap metal into a gun.
>>24684353
man ur so edgy, i bet u give ur mom a real tough time xD
>>24684342
don't forget to ban plastic, you can 3d print guns now
in fact, make the entire world more like glorious north cooreigh
>>24684342
yes ban metal too. its so unnecessary. do u even carbonfibre?
>>24684373
what do you mean, killing niggers is our cops jobs
look at that dude in chicago
>>24684364
ok. ban artistic scrap metal. sounds dumb anyway
>>24684390
good luck making an engine block out of carbon fiber
>>24683944
Those who aren't good at aiming.
>>24683944
retarded b8 image, dumb poster in his 1st year of college who thinks he knows fuck all.
sage
>>24684406
Ok, so now we are banning guns and banning scrap metal. Should be ban pipes, as well? After all, with some pipes, you can make an effective shotgun in about 20 minutes.
Are we banning pipes?
>>24684399
whats a chicago? im sure ur referring to something very edgy.
>>24684427
ban men, they know how to engineer things
>>24684419
thanks for ur support. i will try my best anon.
>>24684433
Watch the news, champai
>>24684427
'we' arent banning anything. I'm banning pipes cos for some reason youve put me in charge and now u are suffering the consequences. NO PIPES FOR U
>>24684437
Some prisoners also made a functioning gun IN FEDERAL PRISON by using a bed.
Guess we need to ban beds.
Pic related.
>made from iron bedposts; charge made of pieces of lead from curtain tape and match-heads, to be ignited by AA batteries and a broken light bulb. On May 21, 1984 two inmates of a prison in Celle, Germany, took a jailer as a hostage, showed off their fire power by letting go at a pane of bullet-proof glass, and escaped by car.
Statistics suggest that about as many people are killed with bare fists as with handguns. So everybody should be mandated to wear handcuffs and have a government approved social worker assigned. When it's time to wageslave the citizen might take off the cuffs for a few hours.
>>24684455
more like watch the bad news, amiright, guys? xD
>>24684466
Also made in prison.
>This gun was found along with two other homemade firearms in the cell of two prison inmates on November 15, 1984. The weapons had been made in the prison's metal workshop. They were loaded with pieces of steel and match-heads.
>>24684477
dubs has decided. we are banning beds too!
>>24684517
giving criminals a metal workshop was a dumb idea. ban prison metal workshops
>>24684517
>>24684477
>comparing automatic assault rifles to shitty single shot inaccurate pistols
ya im sure you could really go on a killing spree with one of those
>>24684546
Firslty, those were double shot pistols (thus the twin barrel)
Secondly, this is what people can make IN PRISON, monitored 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.
Imagine what a dude could due in his basement or garage, or are you going to throw out the right to privacy, as well?
>>24684546
You can go on a killing spree with a knife or a car. Ban ban ban!
>>24684546
Automatic rifles are like 20k in the us. REPUBLICANS banned the manufacture and sale of new ones in the 80s. Only old ones from before 87 are for sale.
>>24684565
>monitored 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.
obviously not..
>>24684565
ban basements
>>24684546
Outside of single shot guns, the easiest firearms to make homemade are open bolt submachine guns. Now you tell me, can you go on a killing spree with a Sten style machine gun?
There should be a government program that helps getting people who are afraid of freedom out of the US and to their beloved "gun free" europe. And vice versal.
>>24684565
>im gonna go beat chos high score
>better spend the next 5 years honing my black smithing skills in my garage to make automatic assault weapons
>>24684578
Great refutation! Totally proved that people with freedom, privacy, and time could NOT make weapons any better than that!
>>24684593
You would have to ban all privacy, as well as unlawful search and seizure.
>>24683944
Guess ill spout this tired old point. If you ban cotizens frim buying guns then the only ones who have access to them are police and criminals who get them off the black market. Im not necessarily a gun fag, but the fact that citizens are armed to the teeth is a huge deterrent to an American land invasion.
Adddendum: OP sucks cocks.
>>24684633
A more accurate post would be
>I'm going to beat Breivik's high score
>better download the document, buy materials for explosives and a submachine gun on the internet, spend a few weeks making those, prepare, and then unleash the beast
>>24684633
Gunsmiths already exist, and can make their own guns very easily. Gun smithing is not difficult. You can make a semi automatic pistol, magazines, and shell casings all using sheet metal.
But that's just like someone to ban something they don't understand.
Also, lets say you ban firearms. Right now. And it's retroactive.
Well, then I just go to my library, look up an obituary from 18 months ago, write up a bill of sale, have someone forge the guy's signature, and bury my guns in waterproof bag in a field located 3 minutes away.
Once the police are gone, I go and get my guns.
Now what?
>>24684637
Why do u need privacy? Are u hiding something anon?
Why do u need guns? Are u planning on shooting someone?
Please, share with me ur secrets
>>24684678
Why do you need free speech? Who are you looking to offend?!
Yeah. Pretty much the same logic.
>>24684678
why do you need a toilet? are you scared to take a shit outside?
>>24684686
The first amendmend is outdated, anon. The founding farthers couldn't know there would be an internet, radio, TV, etc. So scrapping that freedom is just and good.
>>24684686
ah, u dont need free speech really. u silly goose
>>24684700
i aint scared o nothing! :^D
>>24684062
This is an unrealistic and disasterous idea. So now only the ineffective police and criminals who buy from the black market have guns. Bravo cocksucker. Run for president.
>>24684739
no, theres no guns. have u not been paying attention?
>>24684721
You don't seem to understand things, here. "Rights" aren't something granted to you by a government or a piece of paper. They are your birthright, from birth to death, and one should only temporarily lose those rights if you misuse/abuse them.
Funnily enough, the founding fathers wanted the right to bear arms for an entirely different reason than what has come about today. The US was never supposed to have a standing army. Only a navy. The citizenry was SUPPOSED to be the standing army in the event of an invasion, and the US was crafted to be non-interventionist.
They wanted the government to be extraordinarily weak,and for good reason.
>>24684188
Not sure if your trolling but I actually agree. A few dead children is a high cost to pay for policy maker's delusional idea of community rules. Have two armed cops in each school. Shit my schools resource officer was enough to keep shit in check back in the day. Also letting teachers carry is the smart thing to do if your really on about "muh mass shootings" but then we would have to institute higher standards, and america doesnt like that.
>>24684785
How about you just let teachers conceal carry if they choose to?
>>24684785
Added note: didnt read through your original post. Me and you are in agreement.
>>24684760
omg ur right! xD that is totally hilarious how america isn't anything like it shud have been, i did laugh
>>24683975
So both sides are hypocritical?
>>24684820
this post wins
>>24684760
>Funnily enough, the founding fathers wanted the right to bear arms for an entirely different reason than what has come about today. The US was never supposed to have a standing army. Only a navy. The citizenry was SUPPOSED to be the standing army in the event of an invasion, and the US was crafted to be non-interventionist.
This is something I've wondered about a lot. War seems to come to be defined all the time as powerless males being either coerced with a bit of income or through conscription to go kill others and die somewhere else in defence of national borders within which women are safe and protected... yet war could easily be defined as men simply arming themselves and defending themselves from a DIRECT threat within their own close proximity... but it's almost as if women and government are in a conspiracy to make sure it isn't defined this way.
That said, are you sure it's historically accurate to say that this is what the founding fathers wanted? Didn't Lincoln support the creation of an army at one stage? Is there any source showing that there was any consensus against a standing army?
>>24684820
nobody ever wants to admit that we are all the same fools except some people are even more foolisher but it doesn't really matter
>>24684843
Lincoln wasn't a founding father.
>>24684843
Just go and research the debates about the founding and enforcement of the constitution. It's all right there.
The founding fathers hated the government, but acknowledge that it was a necessary evil.
>>24684853
hmm yes wise words. wise words indeed
>>24684598
Can you name a single instance in which a U.S. mass shooting was carried out using a homemade machine gun?
Can't you just make guns with 3d printers now
Just gotta get bullets somehow I guess
>>24683944
if you dont understand the silliness of that statement that mass murders arent stopped by guns... you have no chance.
the problem here is there are so few mass murders because they get stopped before they start by someone with a gun.
im glad you are on this board, and not somewhere productive lol
>>24684891
Can you name a single instance where a literal machine gun was purchased legally and used to carry out a mass shooting?
No, because civilians can not purchase automatic weaponry. They are limited to "one pull of the trigger, one bullet."
That is semi-automatic.
>murica is the last country that the government cant c uck with no struggle
Fucking anti-gunfags, I hope Americans never give in t b h
>>24684920
We won't. I conceal carry everywhere with a pocket holster.
So does my wife.
>>24684138
>vietnamese farmers bankrolled by china
>>24684668
most guns used by baddies are purchased legally and then 'lost' or 'stolen'
reducing the number of guns and ammunition in circulation would reduce the guns available to criminals.
>>24684902
>North Hollywood shootout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZg4mcYkIwU
>>24685152
>...carried illegally-modified fully automatic....
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
So why don't you go ahead and show me that legal automatic weapon, again?
I would also like to point out the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was still in effect that year.
So, despite the fact that these firearms were not legal to purchase, they managed to get their hands on them AND to illegally modify them to be automatic.
There was nothing legal about them coming into legal ownership of fully automatic weaponry.
USA has 318 million people
>>24685152
>>24685265
They were civilian pre-ban rifles, potentially purchased by them before either of them had a record 5 or 6 years earlier. The receivers were drilled to take autosear pins and fairly crudely modded to allow three modes on the selectors
the ar15 also had an autosear installed on it pretty cleanly
basically completely legal guns, potentially legally purchased by them (or by straw purchase), and then modded to full auto so completely illegal.
northhollywoodshootout.com is a pretty interesting resource on their gear
>>24685445
>basically completely legal guns, potentially legally purchased by them (or by straw purchase), and then modded to full auto so completely illegal.
And that's my point. Civilians have never legally purchased fully automatic weaponry and gone on a spree. They legally purchase semi auto weaponry, and then illegally modify it.
Just like if you ban guns, people will illegally make them.
>>24684138
But that's wrong
The RPG2/7 was fairly modern for the time, as was the AK47 and the SKS (especially considering the US opened with the M14, so in regards to modern ideas about firefights the NVA and Vietcong were better equipped earlier)
The only thing they didn't have was a good deal of non-mortar artillery, air support/superiority, or any sort of armour that could deal with experienced and well-equipped American crews.
>>24684062
>there, now all guns are gone
>now law-abiding citizens can't shoot each other
>wait, how did that criminal illegally get a gun?
>omg, he's committing a crime while holding an illegal item, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?!
We should make murder illegal, that way no one will get killed anymore- OH WAIT.
>>24685090
Oh boy, let's have a War on Guns similar to the War on Drugs, that'll go over real well. It's not like other countries would supply the demand by illegally importing guns to the US.
Oh right, that happens ALREADY.
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
MOTHERFUCKER
>>24686223
>No snubnosed for conceal carry.
Need another gun, anon.
>>24686303
I'm not old enough for CC in my state yet
>>24686459
Sad. In my state, no permit is even required (although it is offered in the event you want to travel to other states and still CC).
OP there was once this guy called John Brown, you'd probably hate him.
Relevant information
>>24684328
Because criminals are known for respecting the law
>>24686550
> Implying guns murder
ITT: people moving goalpoasts
>if you ban guns why dont you ban spoons i can kill you with a spoon!
A gun only has one purpose. to kill. there is nothing else to it, guns kill because thats the purpose of the gun. thats what the gun is designed for. if you say that guns dont kill youre a delusional faggot and should put the gun to use against the back of your mouth.
testing the post button
>>24686737
I don't say that guns aren't meant to kill. I'm still for them. What now?
We are also talking about how if you ban guns, people will just find away around it. Whether that be 3d printing, or gun smiths making guns that only need a hole to be bored into the barrel in order to be functional.
You are taking the arguments out of context.
>>24686737
not all violence is bad
>>24686853
If he pays taxes, he is a supporter of violence.
>>24686860
exactly, states are always violent
>>24683944
>Not one of them were stopped by an armed citizen.
Right off the bat, theyre lying through their teeth.
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
>>24686841
im not for banning guns. im for gun control.
of coursem if you want to really do something, you'll do it, be get a gun or nuke launch codes.
but the hardest it is for you to access it, the better. theres a reason why street gangs use AKs and not m16, they are much easier to get.
Where's your idealism?
Have you given up so much on humanity that you truly believe people will kill people if only given the slightest chance.
We should strive for a world where people don't kill others, guns or not.
What kind of precedent does taking away our arms set?
That men should not be trusted to not kill one another?
Only niggers should not be able to purchase weapons.
>>24684062
I know this is absolute b8, but to the faggots who believe this :
I want you to tell that shit to all the favelados with full retard AKs, Mac-10s and 1911s, and all that cool shit I can't have. It's paperwork nightmare here just to get the PERMISSION to buy a .22, then you have to actually find the thing, while an assortment of niggers can do whatever they want.
That goes for all other violent countries, too. Hell, even self defense with a fucking knife is literally illegal in this country and will get you a decade of jail, thanks liberals.
>>24684477
>>24684517
Sometimes I wish I wasn't dumb
>>24686912
We already have gun control. No civilian is allowed to purchase a fully automatic weapon, nor are they allow to modify any weapon into fully automatic weaponry.
What exactly are you proposing? If its anything like the gun control act of 1994, it will add up to nothing, as the vast majority of studies found no increase or decrease in gun crimes.
The only study I am aware of that stated gun crimes went down was financed by the Brady administration.
> not one of them were stopped by an armed citizen
They weren't stopped by cops either. Ban cops 2015! Also weren't stopped by the education system. Ban education!
>>24684675
Here you go nigger, I can make a fucking bomb using a png pic on my laptop, except im too bloody lazy too. Now imagine what some paki or anybody with a little bit of motivation could do.
Pearl High School
Oct. 1, 1997
>guy stabs mother
>goes to school
>shoots two kids
>about to shoot more
>principal shows up with a gun and stops the shooter before he could do any more harm
>principal keeps him down until cops show up
Parker Middle School
April 24, 1998
>14 year old kid shows up to dance with a handgun
>shoots teacher and wounds another teacher and two students
>dance hall owner confronts him with his shotgun
>14 year old shooter drops the gun
>cops arrive and take him away
Appalachian School of Law
Jan. 16, 2002
>former student goes to his old school
>kills the dean and one professor
>kills one student
>wounds three other students
>stopped by two law students with guns
OP's image is partially right, but misleading. The mass shootings were stopped before they could turn into mass shootings, thus they weren't mass shootings. OP's image is not even sourced.
>>24683944
Great argument. Don't forget to tell it to the 150 French faggots who got exterminated in their gun free zone by angry Muslims.
>>24687108
This is a wonderful post. People need to realize that responsible gun owners can stop a mass shooting before a mass shooting begins.
Absolutely everybody should be able to purchase a snub nosed revolver at minimum.
Pic related. My revolver next to my pocket holster.
>>24686912
Most gun crimes are done with a handgun, not an AK. And by "most," I mean above 90%.
So if you are going to talk about meaningful gun control, you need to start by addressing hand guns.
>>24683944
2/10 bait is the best I can do OP
You still got 100+ replies anyways.
>>24684092
>you're not primarily responsible for your life
And you wonder why you're a failure. Stupid robot.
>>24687087
gun control as in, roughly:
1) remove all guns
2) only certain people can purchase a weapon for personal use
2.1) if its for hunting, its restricted to hunting rifles and the likes
2.2) if you fear for your life (jewelry store) or work in a dangeous enviroment, you can purchase a handgun
i aint american, i dont know of past legislation in gun control or any studies, but thats more or less the gun control we have in my country and we dont have almost any gun-related incidents.
>>24683944
I don't own my assault rifle for hunting. Purely for home invasion purposes. Go listen to some 911 calls. You can be the asshole that gets raped and butchered in your own home because you had to sit and wait in 911. I on the other hand will blow the skull cap off of an intruder first and call the cops later. Guns are necessary. Especially when you live near niggers who would Rob you and murder you in your own house just so they can pawn your TV for crack.
>>24687197
>Remove all guns
No. People have spent money on those guns. This would be the equivalent of theft. Also, how will you ever be sure that you removed guns? What if you enacted that law, and I went down to the library, looked up some dude that died 18 months ago in the obituary, and forged a bill of sale, while burying my guns? Not to mention, in order to search the entire nation's house, you would violate the right to privacy.
>Only certain people can purchase a weapon for personal use.
No. Every citizen has a right to own firearms. This was so important that the founding fathers listed it right below freedom of speech.
>if its for hunting, its restricted to hunting rifles and the likes
>if you fear for your life (jewelry store) or work in a dangeous enviroment, you can purchase a handgun
Once again, this willfully goes against the second ammendment's intentions. This is not a right granted to you by a piece of paper. These are rights granted to you due to you being ALIVE. And it is there for you to protect your livelihood. Also, the vast majority of crimes are committed with hand guns, NOT with assault rifles.
As a final thought, I would like to refer to you to this picture >>24684304
>>24687194
You're right, I guess I better go become Batman and shoot all the bad guys so the evil government isn't able to, eh anon?
Why would anyone live in america?
Guns everywhere, everyone that wants to fuck with you poses an actual threat, every criminal that wants your wallet might LITERALLY kill you if you don't give it to him, on the spot.
You might get killed doing your ordinarily safe job, or going to school, because someone snaps because your FUCKING LABOR LAWS ARE UTTER SHIT.
You have to ACTUALLY pay crazy amounts of money for anything health related, costs equally years of work potentially.
I hear people talk about moving from europe to america, with dreams of making it big and being in the 1%, but why would you actually be a wagekek there and not just simply move to a country that affords you a great standard of living without fearing for your life constantly?
>>24687343
Firstly, batman doesn't shoot bad guys.
Secondly, the price of freedom is responsibility. The Supreme court has already ruled TWICE that the government is not responsible for the citizenry's safety. The responsibility is on you, whether you like it or not. What you are arguing for is to remove a tool to help you maintain your life, your liberty, and your property.
>>24687377
Alright, I'll go down to the police station and inform them that I will be shooting the criminals from now on
>>24687367
Adversity breeds strength.
Only the sharpest, toughest bastards rise to the top, keeps America strong.
>>24687367
>Guns everywhere
Yes, thank goodness.
>every criminal that wants your wallet might LITERALLY kill you if you don't give it to him, on the spot
Yup, and he might get my wallet, if only for a few seconds. The second I turn around my gun will be drawn from my pocket and aimed at him.
>You might get killed doing your ordinarily safe job, or going to school, because someone snaps because your FUCKING LABOR LAWS ARE UTTER SHIT.
Labor laws are fine, it's you who is shit. You don't HAVE to work 40 hours per week. And, even without guns, the same thing could happen. The gun in your pocket will allow you to defend yourself from that madman.
>You have to ACTUALLY pay crazy amounts of money for anything health related, costs equally years of work potentially.
I'll agree that it's fucked, but that's the fault of the insurance agencies, and the solution to that is NOT to socialize unlucky/stupid people's choices onto the more intelligent.
>but why would you actually be a wagekek there and not just simply move to a country that affords you a great standard of living without fearing for your life constantly
People who embrace responsibility typically don't want to be coddled by a state.
>>24687396
Go for it. Hell, why not become a police officer and be paid to do it, and have a union representative in case someone wants to press charges? At least you won't be poor for doing what's right.
>>24687293
>this is not a right granted to you by a piece of paper
but it is. the second amendment is not a divine right, its not something universal even. its a right that is granted to you by a piece of paper that you and your peers have chosen to follow as fundamental laws. without people to group under it, a constitution is nothing but a piece of written paper.
if your only argument against 2/3 of my idea is 'it goes against tradition' or 'its my right to do X' its the same retarded premise as bullfighting not being banned in spain because muh tradition and muh rights.
linked pic is pretty dumb. guns only level the playing field if the field youre playing in is violence, and not even.
guns dont level the field in an economic sense, for instance. and how can you feel safe in a society where everyone can get a gun? where everyone that would want to kill you can put a muzzle to the back of your head and end your life before you even know whats going on?
>>24687474
Everything in the bill of rights is a birth given right, or as the founding fathers put it, "We hold these truths to be self-evident...all men are... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."
And they are self evident. You have a right to life, and liberty. In order to have meaningful access to these, you need tools to enable you to reach those ends, or you need the government to be responsible for maintaining them, with harsh penalties for failure.
>>24687443
>the second i turn around
not him, but thats kinda the point. he can kill you before you can even reach for your gun.
assuming you can turn around, reach for your pocket, aim the gun and shoot him before a meth addict without his fix gets startled and pulls the trigger is as retarded as weebs thinking they can kung fu their way out of a 5-man knifefight.
>>24687474
>where everyone that would want to kill you can put a muzzle to the back of your head and end your life before you even know whats going on?
Even if guns were outright banned, this would still be possibleif you lived in a nigger or spic infested ghetto
Thankfully, I trust the people who live around me and I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own weapons.
>>24687525
And that is a risk I am willing to take in order to maintain my right to life an liberty, and use tools in my stead. If he kills me, I won't care, because I'm dead. If he doesn't, I'll kill him.I would also like to point out that the same outcome is possible using only a knife, or even a fork.
Not to mention my weapon is concealed in my pocket. After giving him the wallet, he would presumably try to leave at some point. That is when I would draw.
>I mean who needs an automatic weapon to ''hunt''?.
Guess who I know you're a total retard.
Getting an automatic weapon is a huge fucking ordeal as you cannot own one that was made after may of 1986. So there's a huge premium on cost and then there's also a background check and a $200 tax stamp you are waiting about 9 months to get.
Machine guns are not the privvy of the common man.
But that doesn't really matter. It's not called the bill of needs. It's called the bill of rights. So you can take my guns from my cold dead hands you commie faggot.
>>24684062
B8 but the main problem is that tons of guns right now. There's no way the govt can collect all the existing ones. Banning future guns may work to prevent an increase in total number of shootings (maybe) but don't expect much lowering in number of shooting in total
>>24687582
Isn't maybe stopping some people getting shot worth it?
Each statistic is a real person who really got shot
>>24687516
>everything in the bill of rights is a birth given right
>endowed by the creator
you have to be a serious zealot to believe that god himself gave gun rights to america. or to follow any rule that is justified by 'because god says so', actually.
>its self-evident, you have the right to live and you need a gun to preserve it.
i live in a country with heavy gun control, and again, we dont have any gun-related incidents, nor do mostly the rest of the countries with gun control unless its a lawless shithole like brazil.
you dont need a gun to preserve your life. if you have a gun, the person assaulting your house probably has one too. from the way i see it, he has way more probabilities of killing you that the opposite.
>or a government that does its job
the correct measure. riot or whatever you see fit to change that situation.
>>24687571
is that thing on top like a military rifle?
>>24687705
No, the bible clearly states "Thou shalt shoot commie fucks with thy machine gun"
>>24687705
>Hurp durp gun violence
Other violence is just as bad. Guess what happened in the UK after they took away guns from the common man? Robberies, muggings, and assaults all increased.
>B-b-but at least we don't have guns r-r-right?
>>24687719
It's a 100% certified glass shooting machine, my friend.
>>24687705
>if you have a gun, the person assaulting your house probably has one too.
they get in even bigger trouble if they do so a lot don't. you're just pulling assumptions you have 0 knowledge of out of your ass to try to justify your narrative
>>or a government that does its job
>the correct measure
The government will not stop your house from being robbed. You're just a pussy eurokek who would rather be robbed than defend what's yours.
>i-it's just p-property anyway h-he can have it
>>24683944
>the gubment does nothing wrong:the post
If we make guns illegal, no one will have guns
>now excuse me while I hit this bong filled with illegal weed
>>24687719
But yeah, it is the service rifle of several militaries.
Austria, Ireland, and Australia.
>>24684756
You don't seem to understand how retarded you are
You can't "take away all guns" in a large country like the US. A good chunk of people will keep theirs since their value will skyrocket and at the very least, they could sell them for good money in the black market.
Also, criminals don't follow the law, so you'd have a country where criminals are more powerful due to being able to have guns anyways, and citizens have pretty much nothing to defend themselves.
Good job, moron. Go run for president.
>>24684238
Install reinforced doors that open outwards. Can't be kicked in and you can't hack a hole in them with an axe. Only way to bust it open is to break the doorframe with a sledgehammer.
But without guns, how can we succesfully topple the capitalist reaction in the inevitable proletarian revolution?
>the workers must be armed and organized The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannons and ammunition... Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary
No, but seriously, though. The question of gun control is ultimately a question about the stage of historical development. Is this the end of history? Because if it is, then we're already living in the closest thing there is to a utopia and what's left is micromanaging it, and from this perspective, guns need to be controlled so that they can maintain their conservative function as tools for defence while controlling for the amount of damage that might be caused by powerful weapons in crazy people's hands. Controlling the mainstream circulation of weaponry is commonsensical from this perspective. It's a tradeoff between guns as stabilizers and guns as destabilizers of the status quo.
>>24684062
Gun ownership in America: 112.6 per 100 people
Gun ownership in Switzerland: 45.7 per 100 people
Gun ownership in Sweden: 31.6 per 100 people
Murder rate U.S: 3.8 per 100.000 annually
Murder rate Switzerland: 0.6 per 100.000 annually
Murder rate Sweden: 0.7 per 100.000 annually
It's not guns, it's the people and society.
>>24687919
>This world
>Utopia
No, this is the powerful trying to create a monopoly on violence.
>>24687959
Translation - Niggers.
>>24687705
You have refuted absolutely nothing, and, furthermore, you have tried to put an extremist spin on my words. You have the right to life and liberty. In order to have those rights, you either need tools in order to maintain them, or you need the government to be in charge of it, with strict penalties for failure.
Since the Supreme court has stated that the government is not responsible for the lives of its citizenry unless a special reason exists, such as custody, this leaves tools. And if you try telling me that a 108 lb woman with a knife poses any serious threat to a man breaking into her house with a machette (presuming guns are eliminated from the citizen populace), I'll call you a liar. That said, a woman with a 9mm still poses a very credible threat to a man with an AR15.
Guns are the great equalizer. They keep the government from going tyrannical, they keep the black being able to vote, they keep the gay from getting bashed. Guns don't pick sides, and are there for everyone.
Removing them is intellectually dishonest when speaking of freedom.
>>24687443
>I'll agree that it's fucked, but that's the fault of the insurance agencies, and the solution to that is NOT to socialize unlucky/stupid people's choices onto the more intelligent.
You are aware that this means the intelligent people pay less, right? In single payer systems the buyer, that is the government, holds a monopsonistic advantage so he sets prices. This is why american government spending for healthcare per GDP is greater than french government spending for healthcare per GDP, even though (or in fact because) the latter have universal healthcare.
>>24687959
But that's somewhat misleading. Everyone owns a military rifle in Switzerland, it's the law for state defence. But the rifles must be locked in an armory and you get in significant trouble if you are found out holding them outside. Basically, the gun ownership rate in Switzerland is illusory.
>All these jelly-ass Euroniggers
Enjoy your muzzie cocks.
>>24687999
Super neat. Guess what my health bill has been for the past 2 years?
60 bucks. Without insurance. If I will end up paying a penny more than 2.50 per month for health care, then I am socializing the treatment of others.
Also, the NHS of the rest of the world is in shambles, and has been pretty much since its inception (which is why they are always fucking with it to no avail).
>>24684328
how? do you propose to do that
>>24687774
>i need a rifle to defend myself from an unarmed crackhead
>ur a pussy lol
ironclad logic
the government does its part by keeping guns hard enough to get. i do my part by getting a security door, not living on a ground floor and staying away from shitty neighborhoods. if you need a shotgun to kill someone inside your home try investing more in ways of keeping them out.
>>24688016
You're a total moron.
In Switzerland you keep your rifle at home while in the militia. When you are finished with your service you have the option to purchase your rifle. They will then remove the automatic sear, and you have a semi-automatic rifle. Gun ownership is quite high in Switzerland.
>>24688052
What's your address, then?
>>24688040
Your health bill is irrelevant. Healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP is paid through your taxes and what I'm explaining to you is that you are paying more in taxes for healthcare than frenchies with univesal healthcare, who won't get a health care bill on top of that and don't risk getting financially destroyed in the case of some arbitrary contingency.
>Also, the NHS of the rest of the world is in shambles
I don't think that's very representative of reality.
>"a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Nothing to do with war with another country, nothing to do with protecting your house from burglars, nothing to do with stopping an Elliot or a Lanza.
My interpretation of this text, one that I strongly believe is in line with what was intended, is based in the values and philosophy expressed in other works by the founding fathers.
"Security" of a free state means the stability of its existence. The free state is one with a non-tyrannical government. Guns are necessary to keep the government in check, ergo the Founders did not give the government enumerated powers to restrict gun ownership.
>>24688066
You do not keep your rifle at hand, though. That's what I'm saying. You have to keep it locked up.
>>24688100
No, your rifle is kept in your home. It's supposed to be locked up, but nobody is coming to check.
>>24688084
My health bill is entirely relevant. I am exchanging my time for money, and I am exchanging my money for health care.
You saying that the government should get to force more time for my wallet so that I can pay for the health problems for others is entirely my problem.
>>24688052
>everyone that comes into my house will be unarmed. guns being banned in my country means everyone forgot what weapons are
>i do my part by not living on a ground floor and staying away from shitty neighborhoods
wow what a great contribution to stopping crime. poor people living in buildings with first floor apartments/actual houses can get fucked though amirite
>>24688120
>No, your rifle is kept in your home. It's supposed to be locked up
So, you agree with me, and need to be less passive agressive about it.
Nobody is coming to check, but if you commit a crime with it, you also get fucked for not keeping your gun where it's supposed to be kept. That's basically the same thing as me owning an AK when that is forbidden in my country. Nobody's coming to check on it, but if I use it I'm extra fucked.
>>24688016
I'm >>24687959
Well that's true, also you don't keep any ammunition at home. In Sweden guns have to be locked in a special, heavy-as-dicks safe. The reason for this is not so that you can't access your guns, it's so that nobody can break into your house and steal your guns from you. Point of my post still stands though, even if you turn it into Americas favour:
Murder rate in Honduras: 90.4/100.000
Murder rate Venezuela: 53.7/100.000
Gun ownership in Honduras: 6.2/100
Gun ownership in Venezuela: 10.7/100
Compare with 3.8/100.000 murders in U.S with 112.6/100 guns/people.
Conclusion still stands: It's not the amount of weapons, it's the people in the countries.
>>24688150
Not him, but I'm not sure what you are arguing for.
people who hope for gun bans deserve to be murdered by niggers.
>>24688150
if you commit a crime with it you get fucked for committing a crime you complete idiot. tell you what we'll just make it super duper extra illegal to shoot innocent people with guns and all problems are solved.
>>24687822
ban the black market
>>24688155
Actually, it would seem that the more guns that are in the country, the lower the murder rate is.
Of course, I know there are other places where this is not the case, but you may want to include some place like Japan.
>>24687987
>guns keep the gays from being bashed
that makes you lose a lot of weight, gays are being bashed.
and what are they going to do? shoot anyone that harasses them? no.
did the black folk force the president at gunpoint to change the law? no, it was arguably pacific.
Again, guns are only an equalizer if we are speaking of violence. Guns level roughly all threats from all individuals.
also, you didnt address anything of what i said. the second amendment is flawed for this current year, you dont need a gun to preserve your life and your government is in charge of protecting the people that pay their taxes and their salaries. If youre ok with them slacking off their responsabilities, then thats your problem.
>>24688150
Your reasoning is stupid. I SHOULD have my guns locked up in my home, but I don't have any children living here nor is there any law requiring me to, so I don't.
Same deal, mostly, in Switzerland. There's nothing stopping you from leaving your guns out other than the risk of a small fine. Switzerland's gun ownership is not illusory or inflated. Marksmanship and shooting disciplines are part of Swiss society and culture.
>>24683944
I like guns, I like shooting targets and they're cool. I am a responsible adult with no convictions and no history of mental illness.
Is that good enough reason to own one?
>>24688182
>gays are being bashed.
Really? How many of the bashed gays were carrying guns? There's a big difference between snuffing out freedom of speech, and dragging someone down a dirt road with a truck.
>>24688174
>if you commit a crime with it you get fucked for committing a crime
You are charged for the crime but also for the unlawful use or ownership of the weapon. So you get extra fucked. Please don't be wilfully obtuse
>>24688191
>on 4chan
>on /r9k/
>no mental illness
something aint adding up here anon
>>24688181
Gonna make an excel file out of the statistics to see if there's any correlation between gun ownership - murders. Hope thread is alive by the time I'm finished.
>>24688191
You don't need a reason to own one, anon.
You need a reason NOT to own one. And they have background checks for that.
>>24688191
Go for it, champ. Guns are like toys for adults.
>>24688191
i'm moving to a nigger city next year, for school. i plan on buying a handgun. i think i'm perfectly justified.
>>24688200
i already said we'll make it super duper extra illegal to unlawfully use a weapon. this will be a great victory for gun control, great work anon!
>>24688213
There's not.
Now, race on the other hand...
>>24688027
>no gun-related deaths
>no rednecks waving guns
>niggers dont carry guns
>no mass shootings
so fucking jelly man, i wish i had a nice gun to never use, too.
>>24688127
Actually, I'm saying that outside of a single payer system, the government is taking more money or time or whatever you want to call it out of your wallet, plus you get to pay an increased health bill.
>>24688213
HA, NERRRRRD!!!
>>24688227
>i already said we'll make it super duper extra illegal to unlawfully use a weapon. this will be a great victory for gun control, great work anon!
That's basically what gun control is.
>>24688237
What's your income tax rate?
Mine's 15%, give or take a percentage point. My sales tax is 7%.
>>24688252
And it's worked so well so far! Nobody commits crimes with guns because it's illegal!
>>24688135
>guns everywhere actually contribute to stopping crime
too lazy to post muh graphiks
also
>'i fear i might get robbed' or 'i want to go hunting'
>paperwork
>pay
>you have a gun
if you actually need it, theres guns. its gun control, not literal gun banning.
>>24688255
My income tax rate is double, but the component of my tax rate that goes to healthcare is smaller than the component of your tax rate that goes to healthcare if you don't have a single payer system.
>>24688073
>he will fly to yoorop to prove me wrong
>he expects me to post my address on the chans
what do you expect me to answer to that, mate?
>>24688271
Are you pretending to be retarded?
I mean people commit crimes even though crimes are illegal, but this doesn't mean either that criminal acts shouldn't be prosecuted at all, or that them being prosecuted doesn't act as a disincentive to commiting them.
Basically if we take your reasoning to its logical conclusion, gun ownership rates should not be affected by gun control laws, since the laws shouldn't be working as disincentives for the prohibited behaviour.
>>24688278
If you were to get rid of welfare redistribution, my tax rate would drop by over half. If military were to go to strict self-defense along with the welfare redistribution, over 75% reduction.
I'm not so worried about the small potatoes at the moment.
>>24688308
Correct.
I'm pro-gun.
>>24688308
This is absolutely correct, as can be evidenced by all but one source researching the effects of the 1994 gun control act on crime. No deterrent was detected in any of the studies except for the one financed by the Brady Campaign, which is the campaign that has vowed to remove all guns from the hands of civilians, so their study has some bias.
>>24688229
>Implying I don't go shoot it whenever I feel like it
And with my 30-round mags, no less.
>>24688332
>Are you pretending to be retarded?
>Correct. I'm pro-gun
rich
>>24688361
>This is absolutely correct
It is absolutely correct that criminal prosecution of a given act doesn't act as a disincentive to commiting that act? I guess we need to legalize homicide after all then.
>>24688308
we're mocking you because you're a dipshit who was talking up switzerland for making it 'illegaler' to commit crimes and thinks that's a difference between them and the us. so we can just making shooting innocent people illegaler until we have swiss crime rates. it's brilliant! if everyone were as downs syndrome as you
>>24688393
I'm persuaded you are either stupid or trolling, now. So gg.
>>24688386
Homicide is an infringement on others rights. Whether or not a law forbidding it is a deterrent is irrelevant. Anyone who breaks that law without just reason (say, self defense) should be removed from the population. Me owning a gun does not inherently violate your rights.
Poor refutation
>>24688366
>i couple shtiposting on the robot with shooting at targets in a range
and with your 30-round mags, no less
>sandniggers shoot shit up
>lol looks like you have a gun problem yurop!!
>>24688410
>i suddenly see how hilariously stupid i was so it's time to start damage control
you seriously are a complete dipshit though.
>hurrrrr the difference between switzerland and the us is how switzerland punishes you more for using guns illegally!
>we'll just make using guns illegally a one million year jail sentence in the us and everyone will change!
>>24688420
You sure do have a gun problem. You can't get any. You skirts have a sand nigger problem, too. But since you're too civilized to own the guns you're going to remove kebab with, you should probably just learn Arabic instead.
Americans just have to find the balls to remove our rowdier hoodcrawlers. You guys not only have to find your balls, but somehow magically get yourself some firepower.
All these people who really don't understand shit.. irks me a bit. Banning guns, firearms in general, isn't really possible. like a few people in this thread have stated before, you can just machine anything you want; that's how illegal autosears happen as well. When you understand how a gun all comes together, and all the parts work in harmony you can see just how easy they are to manufacture, basic automobiles and engines really seem to be more advanced than guns in most cases.
The swiss really have a nice thing going for them, not in the fact of how about every guy has his own gun, but it's just that the ammo is controlled, you can't shoot someone without bullets. even then though, if someone wanted to bad enough, they could make their own from scratch.
Really just comes down to a mental health issue, and the stability of the people that can access guns, it's not controlled too well. i mean, when you look at it, it should be. but it really isn't. Anyone can hide their issues and demons really well. Seems to me we just have to promote some way for these problem folk to come out in to the open shamelessly, and get proper treatment for how they're thinking without any negative repurcussions that could prevent them from wanting to do so.
Guns aren't any bit an issue at all, they are about as much a tool as a ratcheting spanner, computer, and screwdriver, and just happen to be the most advanced way of completing it's task that society has to offer.
Anyone who says guns are the issue really have no clue what they're talking about.
anyways here's a magnificent job of a custom single shot.
>>24688465
Making a home made shotgun takes about 20 minutes and a trip to the home depot.
When they find their balls, making guns won't be much of a problem. See for evidene:>>24684477
>>24684517
>>24688496
Making a gun is cool and all, but that creates the logistical problem of finding boolets for it.
>>24688491
Got a side view of that beauty?
>>24688514
It's easy to find gunpowder, and, after that, everything else is a breeze.
Even if you don't have access to gun powder, those guns made in prison were demonstrated to work (albeit not as conveniently as possible, but, given that they were in prison, this is understandable).
>>24688457
Wait, do you think that one million year sentences for some act won't influence how often it's perpetrated?
This is completely retarded.
>>24683944
>MASS SHOOTINGS-PREPAREDNESS IS THE ONLY REASON TO GET A GUN
>DEFENDING YOUR HOME IS BAD
>FUCK YOU BECAUSE MY FEELERS HURT
-anti gun fags every time
>>24688465
>youre too civilized to remove kebab
we agree there. take the army and send them back to the desert and close the borders. we dont need civilians with guns and no control doing whatever, we have an army and i have to pay their salaries. the least they can do is their job.
>yurop doesnt have balls to remove kebab
>merica doesnt have balls to rope day
so the difference is that you can waste 30-mag rounds whenever you feel like? neat
>>24688547
It didn't in the 1990's in the US. No increase, no decrease.
>>24687695
Is it worth it. Probably. Will it happen. No. Also there's the whole arguement of if the guns get advanced enough then you have a ton of illegal guns which can kill people with the guns we have right now along with the existing guns we have which can kill people but not as well which would potentially cause a worse problem than just not having guns. If you want the route that takes away the guns we had right now, there would a huge increase in black market guns not to mention God knows how much money funding this federal program and what ever agency created after to stop people from purchasing guns due to the major increase of "black market guns"
>>24688565
So laws, properly enforced, do not act as deterrents?
>>24688573
Not in the case of the United States when applied to gun control. I am not educated enough to speak about other matters.
>>24688547
yes. mass shooters just weren't facing enough jail time. you got them.
you know, no gun person will argue if you try to make shooting rampages punished more harshly. since you're stupid enough to think that's the difference maybe you should be arguing for that instead of gun control. you'll face less resistance
>>24683944
ITS A RIGHT YOU COMMUNIST FAGGOT. Not a need!
I have a right to own that gun and I WANT to own that gun.
>>24688537
There's so much money to be made. Buy a crate of 32 AKM's in Libya for $800, and wait for shit to get really ugly in EU territory.
You could probably get 800 Euros EACH. And if they can't (or won't) stop boats full of "refugees", they're sure as hell not going to find an unassuming wooden crate on a licensed fishing boat.
>>24688517
yes! however it's over 2MB in size and im not one to buy a chan pass. so here's an imgur of it. turns out a few of my gunporn images are over 2MB :/
imgur.com/mE2DLxE
>>24688573
An interesting side note: Death penalty does not act as a deterrent to crime when compared to incarceration, either. At least not in the US.
That said, just because it doesn't act as a deterrent doesn't mean people should be able to violate the rights of others without consequence. But simply owning a gun and committing no crimes does not qualify as violating the rights of others.
>>24688625
It's very nice. Looks like quality craftsmanship. If you own it, you should be pretty happy.
>>24688606
>i want to own a gun, i dont really understand how this works, so i call people a communist.
>>24688590
Then why do people care if gun control laws are legislated?
>>24688594
You're jumping all over the place. I think the idea that laws don't act as disincentives is an extraordinary claim. I don't care about gun control in the US. Or rather, let me be precise. I believe that no sensible person can disagree that some psychological evaluation and safety training should precede gun permits and that weapons of a certain destructiveness, such as bombs should be restricted. I don't think people in general shouldn't be able to buy weapons in general, and I'm agreeable to the idea of access to high caliber weaponry.
>>24688659
Dude didn't argue his point well, I'll admit, but there is plenty of sound arguments to be found here.
>>24688644
unfortunately i don't own it. i happened across it on a thread some time ago on /k/. i hope to manufacture something similar to it, either in 7.62x39, 7.62x51, or something like that.
i got a bad habit of never being able to post without an image, so here's a really, really neat machine.
>>24688563
>so the difference is that you can waste 30-mag rounds whenever you feel like? neat
Pretty much. So what business of that is yours?
>>24688674
>Then why do people care if gun control laws are legislated?
Because all that will happen is that the criminals will keep committing crimes while law abiding citizens will have no means to defend themselves. Combine this with a twice-ruled supreme court edict that the government is NOT responsible for the safety of the citizenry, except when a special relationship exists, such as custody, and you will have people with guns committing crimes, and the average citizenry faced with either losing property, life, both, or breaking the law to defend their rights.
>>24688700
That's nice, too. Shotgun?
>>24688674
>I think the idea that laws don't act as disincentives is an extraordinary claim.
Then provide some evidence to the contrary you tard.
most of that isn't relevant to why i'm making fun of you. the reason i'm making fun of you is that you apparently think one of the mass shooters might not have done it if he knew the law would demand he spend an extra 200 years in jail. y'know, if he wasn't going to be dead in any case
>>24688739
Not who you are responding to, but I've already provided evidence, that, at least in the US, gun control laws did nothing. That's why, when they expired, they were not renewed.
>>24688759
i was just telling him to provide some evidence that contradicted what you were telling him instead of just declaring everything against his narrative ridiculous
>>24688729
oh no hah, it's a partial mystery to /k/ itself but it seems to me and about everyone else someone took a sten kit reciever, put a long barrel on it, and machined it so it took some caliber of drum mags from the bottom instead of those whacky stick mags from the side. don't think anyone caught the caliber but im fairly sure it's .45 and is being fed a thompson drum. not sure though, cause that would be strange to put a longer barrel on.
Here's a Mosin dropped into a different stock.
>>24688627
>That said, just because it doesn't act as a deterrent doesn't mean people should be able to violate the rights of others without consequence. But simply owning a gun and committing no crimes does not qualify as violating the rights of others.
If I place a single bullet in a 6shot, and shoot at you 5 times (without your permission), and due to luck, you are not shot, should this be prosecuted?
I think that's at the heart of the disagreement in these issues. In the above example I didn't damage any of your rights (as opposed to my having actually shot you). However I did jeopardise or risk one of your rights to life or physical integrity. Intuitively, risking your rights seems like the kind of thing someone could reasonably take issue with, even though it's not actually damaging to anyone's rights.
>>24688719
>law abiding citizens will have no means to defend themselves
Why? You just established that the gun control legislation will have no impact on gun ownership. So, law abiding citizens will very much have as much of a capacity to defend themselves as previously. You could say that they would no longer be law abiding, but that's similar to an argument that since we all pirate shit none of us are law abiding citizens. I mean that violating legislation without a minimum of representative legitimacy (minimally representing the general will, which is a prerequisite to people not ignoring it alltogether) does not seem to capture what we mean when we call someone a criminal.
>>24688739
>Then provide some evidence to the contrary you tard.
Why? Can't I doubt something without advancing a contrary claim?
>most of that isn't relevant to why i'm making fun of you
You're not making fun of me. I just got in this discussion with the previous post.
I think this is very interesting, because the idea that laws represent risk that rational actors are averse towards and thereby high, even if uncertain, sentences should be preferred from a utilitarian perspective is at the heart of the Chicago school's legal theory, contra the well established rehabilitation tradition in the philosophy of law that was kickstarted by Beccaria and co.
>>24688828
That's a nice gun too.
Sorry about the bad guess, I'm fairly new to gun ownership (literally picked up my first one on November 19th), but I'm hoping to become more well-versed in them very shortly.
The second amendment was put second to freedom of speech for a very good reason. It's VERY important.
>>24683944
Nigga automatic weapons ARE banned here. And "mass murderer" doesn't mean shit in context of self-defense or active shooter scenarios. When Ronald Reagan got shot, they didn't have to shoot his attacker, cause he was close enough to tackle and arrest
>>24688857
>If I place a single bullet in a 6shot, and shoot at you 5 times (without your permission), and due to luck, you are not shot, should this be prosecuted?
My opinion on the matter is irrelevant. The law is the law. That said, there was at least some intention to threaten bodily harm, which is illegal.
Me carrying around a 6 shooter fully loaded, and pointing it at no one (unless I am threatened), is another matter entirely. There is no threat given, and, due to conceal carry laws in my state, you would not even know I had it.
>>24688872
That is just a shitty mosin that somebody put in a fancy stock.
