>"I'm right-wing."
>>24664522
>the free market will fix it
>>24664522
>>24664558
These right-wing fedoras are so silly---not like us, hehe.
>>24664522
>I suck bernie sanders cock
MEMES XD
>>24664558
>he doesnt believe in the free market
free market always pulls through
>>24664522
>feminism ruined women
that's not right wing, pic related is right wing.
right wing is right
left wing is wrong
>>24664617
trump voters have an intelligence compared to that of the bald eagle; thats right
>>24664629
Trump voters may be stupid
but Bernie voters are delusional gibsmedat faggots who believe free shit falls from the sky
>I'm apolitical
>I use retired memes
>the white conspiracy is behind all the problems in the world
>>24664673
i dont know what Bernie is promising
but the USA desperately needs leftists politics
everyone with basic economical education can see it: wagekeks everywhere, nonexistent corporal taxes, military swallows most of the tax incomes, laughable social benefits in comparison to western europe, constantly rising college fees, education and food industry cartels
>I'm a liberal
>Refugees welcome
>>24664673
Says an unemployed 4channer. What robot could possibly actually be right wing. Robots are one of the things true conservatives hate most. Leeches, lazy, jobless autists. They hate you. So I want to know why you like them
>>24664720
Robots are the result of leftist politics and the welfare state. Since they hate themselves, it's natural for them to be right wing.
>>24664718
>true, indisputable quote
>underlay it with fedora kid to make it seem wrong
>>24664720
Trump will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
he will BUILD WALL
he will DEPORT ILLEGALS
he will KILL MUSLIMS
he will WIN SO MUCH WE WILL GET TIRED OF WINNING
my body is ready
>>24664741
>>24664720
its really amazing that people how depend on society the most overcompensate by being right
>>24664752
Yeah, if you don't want refugees in your asshole you're just ignorant
>>24664717
No.Fuck off bot
>>24664522
Anything is better than left-wing.
>>24664767
He might build a wall but he won't do any of that other shit.
USA will be no more than 55% white when his precidency is over.
>>24664799
Yes he will you delusional retarded liberal kukold
>>24664767
what will truly happen with trump as president:
- no changes in illegal immigration whatsoever. countles measures have already proven ineffective.
- muslims will begin to hate the US even more, because it is discriminating all of them for the actions of a few. more segregation, more radicalisation, more terrorism.
- same goes for problems with other minorities, especially blacks.
- wagekeks who - for some ominous reason - support trump will stay piss-poor and suffer even more from lack of the welfare state, whom they depend upon.
- the reignship of big capital will continue. no, white middle class kek, you are not part of that. you will get poorer by the day.
- crucial relationsships with asian investors will be lost.
- the US will be the kek of the whole civilized world.
- the social climate will become even more aggressive and neoliberal.
Conservative views in general are the most rational to have. The left has a habit of wanting large-scale change that is both impractical economically and socially while also stunting a countries growth. We've made it this far with generally conservative governments. I don't see any reason to change that. The left wing treats people like children.
>>2466474>>24664741
If the right had their choice you wouldn't be sitting at home earning good boy points. Don't blame society for your lack of effort. The right wing says each problem is the individuals problem. Aka, YOUR problem anon. Not the left's problem.
>>24664823
>no changes in illegal immigration whatsoever. countles measures have already proven ineffective.
Eisenhower deported 1.5million spics with only 700 agents
>- muslims will begin to hate the US even more, because it is discriminating all of them for the actions of a few. more segregation, more radicalisation, more terrorism.
Even more reason to round them, drop them back in the sand hole where they came from, and turn the entire Middle East to glass.
>same goes for problems with other minorities, especially blacks.
Minorities are irrelevant and always will be.
>- wagekeks who - for some ominous reason - support trump will stay piss-poor and suffer even more from lack of the welfare state, whom they depend upon.
Trump will bring back jobs from overseas
>>24664900
Literal "Fedora - The Person" posting.
>>24664917
>Fedora projecting this hard
Shoot yourself in the face redditkuk
The vast majority of people who are not right wing deserve to suffer for eternity.
>>24664522
you're not even trying anymore reddit
>>24664963
There's a special place in hell for leftist, godless heathens.
>>24664823
wow.
stay mad libtard
what will really happen:
America will be great again. Not just great, but really, really great
Countries will come begging to us when they realize we hold all the TRUMP cards
>>24664900
>Eisenhower deported 1.5million spics with only 700 agents
great man. signed Civil Rights Act von 1957 (mostly, rights for black), raised minumum wage, further strengthened social security, agreed with most of the New Deal politics
>>24664900
>Even more reason to round them, drop them back in the sand hole where they came from, and turn the entire Middle East to glass.
i dont think i have to comment this.
>>24664900
>Minorities are irrelevant and always will be.
then why make politics for the top 5%?
>>24664900
>Trump will bring back jobs from overseas
oh, economical regulation and globalization critique. sounds pretty leftist for me.
>>24664819
You're the niggerloving kike-worshipper. If Trump gets two terms whites will probably be below 50% after him.
There are some countries determined to destroy their nations in Europe like UK or Sweden or any of those but none are as bad as USA.
>>24665029
with tards like you, the US will move on to further lows
>>24665039
>muh whites
>muh under 1% powerless refugees destroy countries
>>24665083
>>>/tumblr/
Faggot
This wasn't original, i'm not sure if it should surprise me.
>>24664900
>Trump will bring back jobs from overseas
So he'll remove the minimum wage?
How will he make sure that people can survive on jobs paying 50 cents per hour?
>>24665103
>muh tumblr meme
>muh juveline egocentrism
>>24664684
The Greek word for apolitical is literally Idiot
The more you know
>>24664522
Anyway, i never understood how the brain of either a leftist or a rightist works, and i've had lots of irl conversations with both. Even tried to mediate a fight between the two once (to no avail).
Why are they both such blinded morons that cling to some ideology.
Why would anyone want to invite hordes of refugees that are already safe in neighboring countries to come to their country and take their money all the while changing the demographic makeup of their country?
If you want to give them money, holy shit, just send them humanitarian aid.
On the other hand, how does a person lack such basic empathy to want the death of someone who he doesn't approve of? There is no difference in a right wing person and an islamist. To strip someone of his individual rights is undemocratic.
There are universal human rights and they should not be infringed upon.
But there is a difference between equal opportunity and rights, and quotas that force a portion of the workers to be of a specific sex or ethnicity instead of focusing on the person who is the most qualified for the job.
It seems that discrimination of the majority is somewhat of a taboo in politics nowadays.
>MUH HISTORY
Woman had limited rights before and black people used to be slaves, that is not the case now, so why should you obsess with it?
Same here, in Europe, gypsies get free education no matter how they score on an entrance exam while the people of their respective countries have to work hard for it.
I would volunteer to execute every leftist with a rusty butter knife.
>>24664720
>Leeches, lazy, jobless autists.
But I'm none of this. I have rich parents, am doing good studies and will probably have a great career.
I hate the left wing because they brought violent niggers and dangerous shitskins to our society, allowed women to live "independant" perverted lives while living off welfare, allowed lazy "bad boys" and thugs to live off welfare too.
>>24665131
>On the other hand, how does a person lack such basic empathy to want the death of someone who he doesn't approve of? There is no difference in a right wing person and an islamist. To strip someone of his individual rights is undemocratic.
>There are universal human rights and they should not be infringed upon.
holy fuck the spooks
>>24664522
>"I'm quite the film buff"
>>24665156
So you hate people for being given money they didn't earn while having rich parents who hook you up?
>>24665225
another rightkek gotten rekt
this thread is a feast
>>24665225
>le false equivalence maymay fallacy
I understand that in the ghetto having a family with some earned money is pure fantasy but white people do this weird thing where they take care of their kids.
>>24665225
I do hate them, indeed.
Sure, i've gotten money from my parents but that doesn't make everything. I know plenty of scumbags with rich parents who are lazy, stupid and do nothing but spend their parents' money. Me, on the other hand, am working to get good diplomas. And I hate all type of lazy scum (whether they are rich or poor doesn't matter).
Also
>le smug animu grill
>virigin shaming on [r9k]
Fuck off already.
>>24665287
if they can
try giving your kid(s) decent college education as wagekek
>>24665287
Exactly, and that's a good thing, but for people without that kind of help available why is government assistance bad?
And how does this make you any less of a hypocrite for being buttmad about it while being hooked up?
>>24665225
The bourgeois doesn't comprehend that he and his parents are bigger leeches than a thousand autistic neets.
>>24665225
At least their parents earned their money instead of taking it from people who work their asses off just to get some food on their table and pay rent., only to have portions of it taken away and distributed to the low lives like you.
>>24665225
Rightkek gets rekt
>>24665344
>>24665356
Leftkeks get rekt
>>24665344
>Implying I collect welfare
>Implying nepotism wasn't involved in earning it
You aren't a very objective thinker are you?
I don't actually give a shit about people being rich or getting welfare, I just find these political threads full of delicious hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
>>24665130
>muh muh meme
>>24665365
u dont notice whats happening, dontcha?
effortless demolition of rightkek myths
>>24665344
>their parents earned their money instead of taking it from people who work their asses off
They employ people or invest in businesses which do. Those people work their asses off for their employer, who then returns to them a portion of the money they made for him and keeps the rest as profit. They literally take their money from people who work their asses off for them.
Little better than manchildren.
>>24664522
What I find hilarious
>Definition of Liberal = "a political philosophy or worldview focused on liberty and equality"
>While this covers Progressivism, Communism, and Socialism (who emphasize equality) it ALSO includes Capitalism, Democracy, Anarchy, and Libertarianism (which emphasize liberty)
>"Left Wing" means 'pro-Liberal' and "Right Wing" means 'pro-Hierarchy'
So - when some Ayn Rand reading, Rand Paul loving, laissez-faire Capitalist promoting Libertarian fuck tells me he's "right wing" I laugh my ass off.
When some Feel the Bern, pro-Socialism, Che t-shirt wearing, hippie fuckwit complains that their pro-Democracy, anti-tax, pro-Capitalism uncle is "right wing" I mock them, HARD.
>>24665468
>While this covers Progressivism, Communism, and Socialism
It doesn't. Liberalism and Communism are totally different systems of thought.
its kinda unfair to destroy all those rightkeks in a clash of arguments
they cant retaliate at all; they simply arent used to that
>>24665468
traditional marxism is just as relevant for left-wingers as monarchy is for right-wingers
>>24665324
Government assistance is not necessarily bad, but while at the local level(family) the help is completely voluntary and at most bounded by social norms only, government assistance requires resources national to be redistributed elsewhere, and this isn't necessary something 100% of the population wants to do.
At the local level, being a worthless leech to your family might not be the most virtuous of behaviours, but at least you aren't a dead weight on an entire community who maybe isn't even willing to help you but forced to do so.
>>24665484
Bwa-fucking-Ha
From the encyclopedia:
>"Left-wing politics, also generally called Liberalism, are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality. The term encompasses a number of movements, including Republicanism, Socialism,Communism, Anarchism, Libertarianism, Individualism, Feminism, and more"
>>24665463
>Not knowing how economics work
>Not knowing how hard running a business really is
>Thinking you're edgy and original by going against the capitalist system.
>>24665540
this, goddammit why don't leftkeks get it
when they get called liberal is because the whole movement, or at least the big public facade, has been hijacked by globalist neoliberalism with all their crap about multiculturalism and the such
>>24665505
>m-maybe if I keep spamming the t-thread saying I'm t-the big b-boy I won't look B-BTFO
>>24665540
THANK YOU!
Yes; the only true "right wingers" out there are the Monarchists.
>>24664863
It IS the left's problem. The left created the welfare state. The welfare state enables NEETs, single mothers, dindus, and fucks over the people who genuinely need welfare AND the people who actually work, with their productivity increasing and real income stagnated for decades (thanks to the welfare state!). Not to mention welfare is the biggest piece of the pie of government spending next to military. Everything else pales in comparison.
Are you telling me it's the NEET's, the single mother's, and the dindu's fault for receiving welfare? They're the result.
>>24665505
what?
holy shit i wouldnt be surprised if you actually wear a fedora IRL
>>24665344
>implying racism didn't prevent minorities from getting jobs
>Implying rich parents didn't have money tossed to them as well
>Implying you have even the slightest idea of what it means to struggle
When will rightkeks finally pay attention in history class?
>>24665505
Most (new) intellectuals in Europe are right-wing or in the process of becoming right-wing
The left-wing is intellectually dead
>>24665624
>implying your American view on "right-wing" is relevant to the rest of the world
see:
>>24665635
every succesfull country in the first world is a free market one
free market = right-wing
right-wingers win?
>>24665635
This is strictly false. Assuming you actually believe this I would encourage you to fact check yourself.
relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtRCOqWZAo
> 15$/h for an entry level job
> paid vacations
> get paid to study
> paid leave if sick
> free healthcare
> safe as fuck
> most beautiful women in the world
> economy fucking crushing
oh yes american rightwingers please tell me again how my leftist, socialist coutry is worse than yours
>>24665618
>and real income stagnated for decades (thanks to the welfare state!)
you dont get how
Never seen a thread where righties are destroyed so hard; without the lefties even having to say much.
>>24665741
>Never seen a thread where righties are destroyed so hard; without the lefties even having to say much.
holy fuck you are getting desperate
>>24665741
*free market wages are determined, dontcha?
>>24665635
>>24665650
first off, false.
Second, lol europe
>>24665719
>Subsidized by the Capitalist US
Typical welfare pleb
>>24665755
>SJW boggey man!
Rightkek pls
>>24665755
im quite pleasantly surpised its that eeasy to prove you wrong :]
>>24665679
>>24665770
>false
no it isn't
name a single important left-wing intellectual in Europe right now that isn't a complete tool
inb4 zizek
he would be called a right-winger by the "new left"
>>24665463
>Man who dropped out of high school, has no experience or skills
>Sweeps floors in factory
>"The owner is a manchild thug who is RIPPING ME OFF and taking my rightful portion of the profits!"
.
>Floor worker that does the same 3 tasks over and over again; has some safety training and can do one other of the 45 stations required. No knowledge of engineering
>"The owner is a manchild thug who is RIPPING ME OFF and taking my rightful portion of the profits!"
.
>Secretary in the front office
>minor training; answers the phone and does correspondence to free up the time for her boss to focus on engineering
>"The owner is a manchild thug who is RIPPING ME OFF and taking my rightful portion of the profits!"
.
>Highly-trained engineer who designs equipment, but cannot assemble or sell it
>"The owner is a manchild thug who is RIPPING ME OFF and taking my rightful portion of the profits!"
.
>Salesman who uses his contacts to find new markets for somethign he can't design, make, or even understand
>"The owner is a manchild thug who is RIPPING ME OFF and taking my rightful portion of the profits!"
I fucking LOVE Commie morons
>>24665741
when it comes to market economics, left-wingers are illiterate as fuck
and market economics dominate the world
>>24665676
>free market is *by definition* Liberal
>Yes, really, as Rothbard
>>24665799
>I proved him wrong in my mind! It was real!
>>24665585
The encyclopedia is wrong, autist. I can say this pretty confidently.
Liberalism is not communism. You can't be a liberal communist, or a communist liberal. Your idiotic phraseology doesn't reflect the theory, so the term is wrong. It doesn't need to be argued.
>>24665788
>Strawmanning
Lol libs
>>24665823
what? what are you trying to say?
>>24665741
If you aren't a Monarchist, you aren't Right Wing.
As I keep saying, the Commies/Socialists vs Capitalists/Libertarians is Left vs Left
>>24665782
thats really all you can come up with? Give up m8
>>24665845
What I keep saying
No, Americans, Libertarians aren't Right Wing.
>Founding Fathers? Liberals
>Rand Paul? Liberal
>Libertarians? Liberal
>laissez-faire Capitalism? Liberal
>>24665849
there is some truth in this from a historical perspective
the ultimate goal of the right is to restore the absolute referent
>>24665878
You are though. No need for defense spending so you have plenty of money to make a bubble that wouldnt exist if you didnt have another country to depend on. Youre a literal welfare country
>>24665881
Those people are liberal in the classical sense, there's a reason they call themselves libertarians to avoid getting grouped with modern "liberals".
Besides, libertarians are usually right-wing in terms of economics but on social matters they would probably be classified as extremely left-wing.
>>24665719
b-but muh musleeeems
>>24665881
Be careful not to confuse social liberalism with classical liberalism
>>24665804
So what you are saying is:
- A large number of people contribute to a process of production, at every level.
- They do every task in a functionally social process, and yet the owner receives a far larger share than any amount of personal labour could warrant.
- So he has ripped off all of these people and accumulated a huge amount of unearned money, like a manchild.
Cheers for proving me right.
>>24665917
my country isnt under proction of the US m8. And even if it were you argument are incredibly dumb
>>24665923
Fucking 'Muricans
>Those people are liberal in the classical sense, there's a reason they call themselves libertarians to avoid getting grouped with modern "liberals".
Go here
https://www.liberal [put a DOT here] org.au/our-beliefs
and grapple with the fact that Libertarians are just "Liberal"
>libertarians are usually right-wing in terms of economics
Capitalism is Liberal *by definition*.
Libertarians are Liberals.
Period.
Full Stop.
>>24665881
I'm not American
Liberal is right-wing everywhere else in the world. The American liberal is actually a corruption of the word
Liberal parties in Europe are pro free market parties
They are right-wing
>>24665975
No - each individual contribution is worth less than the sum of the total
>Synergy - look it up
The janitor deserves no profit sharing for he gives nothing toward production but relieving others of extra duties. etc.
It also implies that the owner does nothing, which is far from the truth.
.
You remind me of the Commie fools that can't explain why truck drivers and grocers should make any money.
>>24665999
How exactly is an Australian party dgoing to prove your point?
Before "liberals" were a thing, classical liberalism was just called liberalism, you would be right about that.
But nowadays, "liberals"(at least in the US) are a group of people that go by that name but aren't liberal in the classical sense, like for instance, from that website:
>we work towards a lean government that minimises interference in our daily lives; and maximises individual and private sector initiative
this is the opposite of "liberals", who are for a big government entering every aspect of a citizen life
>>24666032
>Liberal parties in Europe are pro free market parties
That is because Capitalism is Liberal.
What you are saying is
"Left wing groups support left wing ideas which makes them right wing"
It is, very literally, nonsense
>>24666087
holy fucking shit
How is capitalism left-wing? How is the fucking free market left-wing?
How fucking stupid can you be?
Stop fucking posting
>>24666087
what is right-wing to you then? Communism? Socialism?
>>24666076
>Before "liberals" were a thing, classical liberalism was just called liberalism, you would be right about that.
translation
>before there were liberals, there were liberals
Do you have any idea how retarded that was?
>But nowadays, "liberals"(at least in the US) are a group of people that go by that name but aren't liberal in the classical sense
No, you are mistaking a disagreement *within Liberalism* for being something radically different.
Liberalism is about Equality and Liberty: Once branch focuses on Liberty (capitalism, etc.)the other on equality(like socialism).
This is like two groups of football fans; one group favors defense, the other offense, so they claim the other isn't playing football, but rather baseball.
>>24664717
The biggest problem is education and the teachers union is to blame.
>>24666157
>Liberalism is about Equality and Liberty: Once branch focuses on Liberty (capitalism, etc.)the other on equality(like socialism).
holy fucking shit
any person with a degree in political science would want to fucking kill you right now
you literally have no idea what you're talking about
>>24666137
See
>>24665468
and
>>24665585
Capitalism is Liberal *by definition*.
>I suggest you read "On Laissez-Faire Capitalism and 'Liberalism'" - available online - it is a nice intro to political thought
>>24666152
No, fool - as has been pointed out in this thread several times, they are also Liberal.
>FFS
Monarchy is Right wing
>>24666210
capitalism is right-wing and especially the free market type of capitalism
why the fuck are all the liberal parties in Europe and australia on the right side of the political spectrum then?
You are literally a fucking tool
kill yourself
>I believe in the two party system
>>24666234
alright
so the conservatives all across the world are left-wingers?
>>24666185
>any person with a degree in political science
Which obviously does NOT include you since this is PoliSci 200 level basic knowledge.
Hell, I even did this FOR YOU, you ignorant fuckwit
.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+liberalism+and+its+branches&l=1
>>24666234
LITERALLY the whole world disagrees with you
but apparently anon is right and everyone else is wrong
>>24666294
that link directed me to the American definition os liberalism, which is a corruption and not true liberalism
>>24664522
>I cant tolerate opinions other than my own
>>24666251
>capitalism is right-wing and especially the free market type of capitalism
Too bad the dictionary, the encyclopedia, Political Science, and everyone with an education knows you are wrong.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism
>>24666274
People who tend to call themselves Conservatives in the US are typically Leftists, yes.
Other English speakers are often more self-aware (like the Australian Liberal Party).
In German and such speaking nations this isn't usually a problem.
Bernie 2016
>>24666300
>LITERALLY the whole world disagrees with you
>I don't know what any of those words mean
FTFY
BTW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
You might want to read a book
>>24666320
>American definition os liberalism
LOL!
So Americans call Libertarians 'liberal'? Really?
They call Capitalism 'Liberal", too?
>>24665156
Still don't make your own money kek. Your parents income doesn't make you any less of a failure
>>24664522
ITT: Proof that the very best way to make American cry is to cut and paste from the dictionary and the encyclopedia
>>24666378
>>24666435
what i'm about to say is general knowledge which literally the whole world has accepted as fact
right-wing:
capitalism in general, especially free market
conservatism
fascism
nationalism
monarchism
reactionaries
and a bunch of other niche things
>People who tend to call themselves Conservatives in the US are typically Leftists, yes.
I'm done, i'm out
fuck this shit
>>24665302
If this is true, you don't belong on r9k
>>24666453
you truly are retarded and don't know what you're talking about
go to any fucking wiki page about free market, conservative parties from Europe and they will all tell you that they are either center-right or right-wing
stop talking tool
>>24665156
Tell us how you are going to earn your inheritance.
>>24666501
Didn't hitler hate capitalists?
>>24666526
i'll help you with some;
VVD from the Netherlands
Conservative party UK (tories)
PP from Spain
begin with those
>>24666511
It is true.
But i'm steel an ugly, insecure, socially awkward kv.
>>24665554
What is corporate welfare, Alex?
I don't understand how a board comprised mostly of neets can hate leftist politics. I also love you all of you "lolfreestuff" keks no nothing of leftist theory and are completely okay with being class keked by the bourgeoisieyou're all fucking idiots
right wing and left wing come from the french revolution. the jacobins (opposed nobility and clericalism) sat to the left of estates general and the nobles sat on the right.
Capitalism needs slavery on some level to thrive. Look up the Marshall Islands, it was part of the Jack Abramoff scandal. Asian labor that is "made in America."
All of the CIAs first actions in the 50s were to protect corporate interests in Latin America.
>>24666551
no. hitler elimanted the anti-capitalist clique in the nazi party on the night of the long knives. his government had the support of german industrialists and his cabinet was made up of nazis and members of the conservative party. german conservatives thought allying with the nazis would defeat communism and that they could moderate nazi policy.
>>24666384
He's a feminist, cunt.
Name 1 left winger who isn't an absolute retard. If you think Sanders is intelligent or even fit to lead the country, you must be an uneducated (or poorly educated) buffoon that doesn't understand economics. No matter how much you hate Trump, he's the most capable leader by far.
If you think otherwise, feel free to explain how you think Sander's plan is going to work.
>>24666501
>what i'm about to say is general knowledge which literally the whole world has accepted as fact
Your definition of "Whole world" is shitty
>Australians that support Capitalism, Free markets, etc call themselves - the Liberal Party
So that is a huge portion of the English speaking world, innit?
The American Republican Party is part of the international alliance that includes the European People's Party, showing high-ranking American Republicans have also read a book.
Here is a kindly tip :Shit you believe" != "what everyone else believes"
>>24666825
I don't think anything good about sanders but how do you think Trumps plan will work?
>>24666526
>Cut and paste from the dictionary and the encyclopedia
>"You're retarded, they;re wrong"
>"Ignore that quote from the encyclopedia and go to the wiki"
>>24666844
-tax reform
-he's not a retard that will make everything gibsmedat FREE SHIT like a socialist shithole
-immigration control, don't know if he will get the wall built, I personally doubt it, but that's really what the country needs. he's actually going to make the process easier so people can come legally. that's his stance, if people actually did research they would know instead of spouting HES RACIST memes.
-going to take care of our veterans
>>24666560
>The other guy already linked to the Liberal Party
>>24666825
sander's plan is unremarkable and centrist. increase corporate taxes, capital gains, etc and cut military spending to finance several social welfare programs most notably medicare for all. it won't work because if by some stroke of luck he is elected he have to get a congress who is diametrically opposed and happily obstructionist to go along with that.
>>24666825
You have no capable leaders, aside from the ones that you can't see. You just have unworkable socialism that one side has fallen for, and unfunny memes that another side has fallen for.
>>24666844
This is how he wants to structure taxes in case you're wondering. He wants tax relief for the middle class as well as simplifying the procedure.
>>24667042
I said most capable, and by far. Both are true, whether you like him or not, that wasn't even the question. He's the best one running, and he's who I'm voting for.
>>24666825
check
>>24665719
also, what is your education?
>>24666969
youre answer is typical trump supporter. "tax reform" isnt a position. Clinton, sanders, trump, all republicans are for "tax reform". despite what candidates say the issue isn't the infamous "loopholes" nor is it complexity. the federal government simply does not tax at a rate that allows for it to finance itself.
immigration is a non-issue. more mexican immigrants are returning to mexico than coming.
& everyone says take care of veterans.
>>24667063
He isn't any more capable than the rest of them. He's another puppet who will dance for his masters.
Keep thinking your vote counts. Because it counted for the countless previous elections.
Trump cares about you. Just like Sanders cares about you. Everything is okay.
>>24666061
>each individual contribution is worth less than the sum of the total
Obviously, hence why production of commodities is a social process. 'Synergy' is a pretentious jargon phrase used because communists could describe capitalism better than bourgeois theorists could. Marx acknowledged this a hundred and sixty years ago.
>the janitor deserves no profit [...] he gives nothing towards production but relieving others of extra duties
He gives his time and his labour for the maintenance of an area where value production or commodity transaction takes place.
Truck drivers distribute masses of commodities across a wider area than even railways could, grocers operate the point of sale. They don't immediately produce value, but nothing that they do would be possible unless commodity production was taking place. Likewise, if there is no means of distributing the commodities produced, there is extraordinary wastage and no needs are satisfied.
None of what is described above necessarily requires an owner. No amount of personal labour entitles the owner to the size of share that he enjoys. If he does work as hard as the rest, he doesn't need to, at all. That's the point.
But lets be entirely clear that when you say owner you don't mean CEO, because let's remember, a CEO does not own the company. Explain to me, please, what role do shareholders play in the actual process of creating commodities and distributing them?
>>24667160
>this euphoric retard is projecting this hard
Never said he cared about me. Never said he cared about his country. Never said he wasn't going to be a puppet. All I said is he's the most capable leader and the best candidate and it's still true.
>hurr hurr I don't vote because I stay at home and jerk off to traps and laugh at frogs :^)
>I'm so intelligent!
>>24667172
>'Synergy' is a pretentious jargon phrase used because communists could describe capitalism better than bourgeois theorists could
So please explain, oh mighty Communist Demigod, how Communism applies the LTV in a Real World of asynchronous inputs and variable returns to scale?
How can you justify paying the transporter and distributor of goods?
Now, be very careful for I am not a Capitalist, I just know Communism to be a boondoggle.
>>24665225
The toppest of fucking keks m8
get rekt Trumpettes.
>>24667105
Answer this. Id love to know the education of a Trumpvoter.
>>24667504
so the answer is "none"
what a fucking surprise
>>24665217
Lol u serious with this shit senpai? I mean honestly this was a cringe worthy post, most of them are obvious jokes or trolls or whatever. But idk you might literally of done it
>>24667301
>mighty Communist Demigod
Don't try and present me as the sneering arrogant here.
>how Communism applies the LTV in a Real World of asynchronous inputs and variable returns to scale?
I'm not an economist. You can't expect me to know every page of Marx off by heart.
Perhaps if you gave real world examples of how asynchronous inputs and variable returns to scale effect social processes, I could give it a shot, but since you haven't, I'll wait. I'm willing to learn.
>How can you justify paying the transporter and distributor of goods?
You can't isolate distribution from production. Distribution and exchange of commodities is what enables production through spending. Granted that truck drivers render distribution more efficient, and shop staff regulate particular instances of exchange, they both serve a socially useful role.
You probably aren't a capitalist. Most likely you aren't rich enough to be one. Whether you are a capitalist or not does not depend on what you think about things.
Did you go to university to study economics?
>>24665618
I'm telling you that you don't need welfare when mommy and daddy are wiping your ass
>>24665620
Shit troll m8 tbqh
You need to step it up. Plus you can't be the literal embodiment of what this thread has defined as a fedora wearer and start throwing that back at people that's sloppy arguing.
>>24665820
The left wing does understand how economics work, the difftence between left and right fiscally is essentially, how much we are taxed and where those taxes go.
>>24665719
I have this and more in the USA so nice one.
Age 24, have an art degree
Why not communist anarchism?
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism#toc25
>>24667635
uh, what? are you a retard?
>this stupid fuck thinks I knew he was talking to me
I didn't even figure it out until just now. Here's a tip, stupid, if you ask a question under a quote, people will think you are asking THAT person. You should've been more clear about who you were asking.
>so the answer is "none"
what a fucking surprise
>this buttblasted libtard is projecting this hard because he's a neet that wants bernie bux
I'm one year away from finishing my bachelor's. I'd like to know what your education level is as well since you're asking for mine.
>>24667820
no its not and this shows just how tiny the overton window is. socialism is defined by public ownership of key industries. private ownership=liberalism.
>>24666494
Lol idk wtf is even happening in this thread but don't generalize anyone based on the autism capitol of The Internet.
>>24667899
THeres no way you can attend a college and still vote for a racist, reality-star who has gone bancrupt numerous times and regularly fucked over all his employes.
Im also working for a bachelors. (not american btw)
>>24668153
>muh raiciss
I MEAN COME ON RIGHT?!
>>24668214
sick retort bruh.
>>24668295
>he unironically think calling someone a raciss abloo-bloo is an actual argument
>>>/tumblr/
>>24668153
>THeres no way you can attend a college and still vote for a racist, reality-star who has gone bancrupt numerous times and regularly fucked over all his employes.
The retard in you is showing, liberal. He's not racist first of all. If you'd actually research his platform instead of parroting memes you heard, you'd actually know what the fuck you're talking about. He wants to ease the process of legal immigration and control illegal immigration. He doesn't have a problem with mexicans and he's employed many of them.
Secondly, he's never gone bankrupt personally, he filed bankruptcy 4 times on businesses that failed, not himself. Out of I believe hundreds or more than a hundred businesses he owns, that's pretty good if only 4 failed. Once again you are parroting ignorance you got from other ignorant retards. It's pretty funny because my SJW professor said the same thing. Please do the research before you participate in political discussion, you moron.
>>24668319
Its funny because thats the only thing that youre defensive about
>>24668364
Just to let you know, if you think I'm the original guy you're talking to, you're mistaken you stupid fuck.
>>24668359
>>24667899
>>24666825
these are my posts
this isn't mine
>>24668214
>>24668364
not him, but I stopped reading once you unironically used the word racist as if it was some sort of argument
>>24668153
>gone bancrupt numerous times
He's used bankruptcy laws that are applicable to businesses. It seems you don't know how investment works. People set up a "business" as an independent entity for legal purposes - bankruptcy, litigation, etc. The rationale is that it creates a friendlier investment atmosphere to encourage entrepreneurs (whether you agree with this or not is besides the point).
People who invest by starting up new businesses often have more than one. Trump claims to have had over a hundred. A few of those businesses were losing money (note that each of these businesses will keep separate finances), and so declared bankruptcy using the aforementioned laws.
>regularly fucked over all his employes.
What do you mean by this? Is an employer to be morally condemned every time an employee is laid off?
>>24668359
the thing is, that when he goes bancrupt he fucks over his employees, which is exactly what he will do to the american people
so who's going to be president in 2016
> 'I'm left wing'
>>24668455
I hope literally anyone besides Hilary
>>24668412
this guy explained it better than me
>>24668414
You're pretty stupid but I'd like to hear your retort to his post so his explanation doesn't go to waste. A lot of (almost every single word) you've said is based on complete ignorance. You're extremely ignorant and I'm glad you're not in my country.
>>24665719
>$15/h for an entry level job
mcds worker detected. why do burger flippers think the market will pay that much for unskilled labor
>>24668500
I'm waiting...
Let's see if the libtard hides the thread, runs away, and cries himself to sleep or he'll actually admit he's wrong, OR he'll damage control like all liberals do when faced with facts
My only right wing position is the desire for a strong, defined social hierarchy. As far as everything else goes, I'm considerably to the left.
>>24668500
http://robertreich.org/post/98079430765
The rich can just bail ship and let the poor sink, but i guess thats just the system
>>24668613
Like you ignore the fact the every successful country on this earth is liberal and leftist?
>>24668643
>this libtard didn't even address the argument
Just admit you're wrong and ignorant and I'll let you off with a warning. Otherwise, you are forced to address EVERY POINT you fucked up on.
>he thought trump went bankrupt several times
>he thought trump was "racist"
>didn't respond to either of my replies and just change the subject to "oh.. his employees lost their jobs!"
So what, tard? The business failed, that's what happens. This is reality. You find a new job and continue on with life. You still ignored
>>24668412
this guy's post COMPLETELY
and refuse to participate in the debate, you just ignore and ignore and refuse to admit when you're wrong
When I'm wrong I admit it. It's pathetic to just ignore everything the other person said, and just link to an article. God, you libtards have no shame, really. Just admit you don't know what you're talking about.
>>24668665
Good job, last nail in the coffin of all these rightards
>>24668665
>>24668769
Lmao I never said anything related to that, you retards. I never "ignored" that, that wasn't even what we're arguing here. You're just grasping at straws because you're butthurt libtards.
>>24668665
>>24668769
>correlation = causation
liberals everyone
western countries got on top of the food chain being anything but weak homo liberals, liberal leftism is what's killing the west
oh my, almost 200 postings of public rightard humiliation
what a thread
>>24668902
the fact that you need to keep telling this really says a lot about how hard you got btfo
>>24668876
so your saying that if evey single succesful country is doing one thing its probably dumb to do that thing?
>>24668917
I'm saying that those countries didn't get there doing that thing, that thing is relatively new shit that came after
>>24668665
The quality of life in those nations isn't sustainable. Their success will be short lived.
>>24664522
that's probably better than being your typical skinny, weak, whiny, libtard twink
>>24668902
And they keep coming and coming with their "arguments".
Outside of /pol/ theyre nothing.
>>24668960
>And they keep coming and coming with their "arguments".
>Outside of /pol/ theyre nothing.
Why do you libtards ignore every single argument then? That one guy I was talking to still never replied back to me, and refused to even address any points, he just changed the subject a million times and then ran away like a btfo pussy.
>>24669018
they are used to "win" "arguments" by out-yelling the opposition, you wouldn't understand
>>24668945
so why are they constantly doing better and better while?
>>24668951
you say that when your country has 13 trillions dollars of debt. How could it be any worse than that?
>>24669018
I did reply. Its pretty much impossible to argument with someone who ust post memes and spreads shit.
>>24666251
They have confused what liberalism is. Liberalism means free market economics and individual rights, basically the USA in 1787. Liberal now means a trannie loving socialist. Neocons are an offshoot of the socialist party and both democrats and republicans are in a two step motion for the ZOG. Liberalism is good but we will never see a rand paul presidency.
>>24669044
>they are used to "win" "arguments" by out-yelling the opposition, you wouldn't understand
What? Running away is how libtards win arguments? Ignoring the points is how libtards win arguments? Ok, bud.
>>24668749
I'm still waiting on this guy, I bet he hid the thread, went under the sheets, and is crying into his pillow because he got btfo.
>>24669050
>so why are they constantly doing better and better while?
better in what? the effects of their policies will only be clear on the long run, but most western nations for instance are already below replacement rate just after not even 100 years of female rights
not to mention the decline of marriages, single mothers and the horde of immigrants being let in, which historically is never a good sign
>>24669164
>What? Running away is how libtards win arguments? Ignoring the points is how libtards win arguments? Ok, bud.
Yup, that's why you got one/many buttholocausted libtards needint to tell everyone they won the thread, as if they were insecure about something.
>>24669089
> I did reply!
Sure you did kiddo
> Its pretty much impossible to argument with someone
So what, you're saying you DID reply but now you're saying you didn't because it's hard. LOL!
Another libtard making excuses
>who ust post memes and spreads shit.
Find a single meme in that post. LMAO. Is this how libtards deflect and run away from arguing?
>>24669173
> better in what?
economy, education, human rights etc.
Oh no, the decline of ancient christian values, boo fucking hoo
Did anyone of the sane folks here notice how mostly rightards use le funny pictures?
>>24664522
How did fedoras come to represent the complete opposite of what originally represented. It was originally an atheist white knight leftist feminist reddit type strawmanned, and somehow it's now become a right wing type strawman.
>>24669195
I'm having a fun time in this thread. These pathetic neet libtards keep saying HAHA WE WON THE THREAD and yet they keep ignoring, making excuses, saying they don't want to debate, hiding from the facts.
They never admit when they have a misconception based on ignorance. I'd be ok with it if they just admitted they're wrong OR they explain why they disagree, but they're just being pathetic whiny babies.
>>24669221
I can easily admit that filing for bacrupcy was a correct move, but you gotta dmit that hes a racist and he stands for the same system that ran the country into the ground in the first place.
>>24669089
>Its pretty much impossible to argument with someone who spreads shit.
then do yourself a favor and stop talking to rightards. all they do - by Definition - is spreading shit in public. and they are even proud of it, see trump
>>24669259
i did
they are soooo done
usually rightards at least try to prove their "points"
>>24664799
Not if he deports illegals and anchor babies
>>24669255
>human rights
good meme, nobody cares
first of all, the economy getting bigger and bigger doesn't necessarily imply better living conditions
disappearance of the middle class rings a bell?
also, creating meme degrees like women studies and the such and trolling everyone into getting in debt for a degree instead of just getting a job isn't exactly an improvement
>>24669335
getting desperate aren't we?
>>24669284
look who is trying to make a Comeback after being DESTROYED
>>24669259
>top kek, this libtard STILL thinks he won this thread when he's ignoring EVERY single argument and refuses to debate anyone
>keeps pretending he won the thread
>keeps asking the same questions
>it's so obvious it's him samefagging because he keeps saying "rightard" as if anyone else uses that word, he's just copying libtard because he's unoriginal and unfunny
>refuses to acknowledge arguments because he can't debunk ANY of them, just resorts to TRYING to get approval from other libtards who will also not argue anything because he feels alone in this thread, so he wants replies from fellow hugbox redditors to feel better
You leftists are all one huge, epic meme.
>>24664522
What if I'm a right winger on my team
>>24669369
>look who is trying to make a Comeback
>>24669382
THX for proving my point rightard
Rightard sounds like retard, thats why i picked up that expression
I mean, look at you folks
>>24668902
>>24668960
you must be joking. the left has been massacred in this thread (as usual)
>>24669420
memeing doesnt prove anything
google liberalism and fiscal policies first, then we talk
>>24664617
is that a Ra skin?
>>24669435
how have the left been massacred when everyone agrees that leftist countrys are the most succesful on earth?
Can someone screencap the whole thread?
When some Trumpfag crawls out of his hole again i will remind him of this day.
>>24669423
>after a whole half hour he STILL hasn't come up with a reply to
>>24668749
>he's STILL damage controlling
>he's doing mental gymnastics to fool himself to not believe he's a retard
You can't make this shit up. Libtards, everyone. The dumbest people on the planet.
>>24669482
ignore him, that was obvious b8
>>24669482
Countries with white people are also the most successful, therefore white people are objectively the superior race.
>>24669501
yah keep memeing
getting tired of trumpcvcks
>>24669501
One day you will understand how cringy you are, geeeeeesh
>>24669482
No one would be debating, if everyone really agreed with that.
>>24669534
He wont, m8s.
Hell keep voting for Trump, Hitler and whoever promises him paradise.
>>24669558
t. bernie "dude free shit lmao" sanders supporter
>I eat chicken wings
>>24669542
move to Saudi arabia, rightard
Religion, conservative "values", monarchy & no refugees in sight to take away your kekjob
>>24664522
>"I post bait threads"
>236 responses
>>24664522
There are fedora fags who are right wing and ones who are left wing. It's just that right wing fedora fags are libertarian and left wing fedora fags are all commies
>>24669586
im not from the US, u dumb faggot
Wait
Why am i calling you a dumb faggot
You already admitted you are right
>>24669489
>he's still samefagging and pretending he won the thread
>he ignored every argument and just keeps samefagging and trying to get reassurance from other libtards instead of debating
>he STILL trying this hard to damage control after he got BTFO
>>24669622
xDD haha le right are le dumb baddies amirite lads that showed them topkekupboated grate mene :DD:D
>>24669602
the first post was great. Rightards destroyed with a single pic. The whole thread is failed damage control
Pic related, the liberal Bernie supporters who got BTFO in this thread. How they really look like while they damage control endlessly instead of debating.
> looking-smart-comment about half of the people here being stupid kids and the rest just stupid while I just happened to be passing by and looking at you with disgust
>>24669626
Stop trying to make this a meme thread.
Arguments or btfo, rightyboi
>>24665131
>uses logic and common sense to attack the notion that extremism in any form is the only solution
>gets called a faggot nigger kike kek
such is life in 2015
Pic related, the libtard Sanders supporters in this thread.
>>24669664
You type like such a faggot lol
In the first half you all (Trump supporters or whatever) at least tried to debate. Now you are coming with "muh meme", " muh samefagged" etc.
>>24666792
you should be congratulating him on helping the bot tag "bernie 2016"
>>24666384
thx fampai
>>24669694
>>24669658
right "arguments" at their best.
wow.
what a lot here.
as if someone handpicked the most delusional muhtrumpkeks and put them in one thread.
>>24665585
Man! American founding fathers literally built nation upon communistic views.
This changes everything I've known!
>>24669586
libtards never learn. same shit, different person. obama promised free shit and all we got was increases in health insurance premiums. sanders = old white obama
