you can still fap, just stop watching porn
There is absolutely no scientific reason to support nofap.
But there is loads of science behind noporn.
porn should be a sometimes-treat like cake, if you need it to get hard or cum that's about as healthy as being addicted to cake
I'm never getting a gf, fuck off I'm having my porn
Why would I deny myself porn when I like it so much?
>>24618691
Looking at porn is the most neurologically harmful non-drug habit you can possibly have. You can do anything you want as long as you give up the porn.
no thanks senpai, I can still get hard without it
>>24618799
I can do anything I want even if I look at porn, what's your point?
>>24618732
The dopamine pathways in your brain are trained to like it. It's a literal addiction. All addictions will crash hard. Save yourself the brain damage and taper off before it's too late.
>>24618799
proof?
porn can have some benefits, instead of fapping over degenerate furry porn you could fap over something else, develop a fetish for fat chicks to help lower your standards and improve your chances of getting a qt belly gf
>>24618833
You say this now, but it's not psychologically sustainable. If you take 2 months away from porn, you can repair some of the damage now.
>>24618799
thx pardner
>>24618799
I'mm calling bullshit on that. Sure you can be a lot more productive and active but you can't do anything. Not masturbating doesn't change the fact that you're in the lower class and broke as fuck. Not masturbating doesn't mean you can get through college, land a bomb ass job, and have a bugatti by the time you're 30.
Not masturbating lights a fire under your ass but like everything else in life theres a fucking gamble on if it will even work.
>>24618878
>psychologically sustainable
meaning?
>>24618469
thank you pardner
>>24618904
Your brain will break down after the dopamine pathways burn out. It feels good, but your brain won't be able to handle it biologically after a set amount of time.
What's wrong with amateur porn? I mean genuine amateur porn, that's all I like
>>24618870
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2014/02/28/hypofrontality/
Neuroscience Speaks: How Using Porn Destroys Your Brain
Neuroscience now knows that willpower is a function of the prefrontal lobes of the brain. Scientific studies have also confirmed that using porn over and over actually reshapes these areas of the brain, literally eroding our willpower and our moral compass.
Neuroscientists call it hypofrontality. Hypofrontality is a state in which there is decreased blood flow to the prefrontal lobes of the brain. Hypofrontality is observed in schizophrenia patients and is also observed in all manner of addictions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2642712/Does-watching-porn-make-LAZY-X-rated-content-shrink-region-brain-linked-motivation-study-claims.html
http://www.livescience.com/19755-porn-shut-visual-brain.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/porn-less-gray-matter-brain_n_5418607.html
http://www.dw.com/en/pea-brain-watching-porn-online-will-wear-out-your-brain-and-make-it-shrivel/a-17681654
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10441027/How-porn-is-rewiring-our-brains.html
http://www.livescience.com/46006-can-porn-shrink-brain.html
https://medium.com/@Fusion_360/3-things-you-should-know-about-pornography-addiction-withdrawal-1be95da89eff#.5wpti01km
I actually like this one the best because it goes into how anything taken to extremes can fry your dopamine receptors and puts you in a worse state than someone suffering heroin withdrawal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patricia-l-gerbarg-md/addiction-treatment_b_1665684.html
>>24618870
Rebbit users attempting nofap get panic attacks, hospitalized, and sent on an ambulance after passing out
"After around 100 days I was doing great as well, but I had a panic attack at work that came, really, out of nowhere. I was so intense that I FAINTED and had to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance. I had only been on the job for 4 months so this was very embarrassing. I think in my case, I didn't know how to deal with tough situations without the help of fapping/overeating/alcohol - all three of which I had been without for quite some time. I don't know, I've been without alcohol for almost 3 years, cigarettes for two - the fapping withdrawals were the toughest."
"After that I had more panic attacks due to hypochondria and ended up in the mental hospital after developing intrusive suicidal thoughts. I got out without taking any medication and was fine for a while after that. I had consecutive 3-4 day no PMO streaks but kept relapsing- I wouldn't really call them streaks."
You can still fap, just don't watch porn.
>>24618987
>linking huffpost
Ignoring the shitty link, how do you define "extreme" porn addiction?
>>24618900
Masturbation isn't the issue. Porn is.
The issues you suffer as a result of masturbating are actually from the porn.
>>24619045
Addiction in itself is extreme. Constant high dopamine release from the same task is neurologically unsustainable.
>>24619100
Then both fapping and porn are problems.
>>24619122
There's no scientific evidence to show fapping has a dopamine release high enough to cause addiction.
>>24618878
>>24618987
I've been looking at porn multiple times a day and masturbating multiple times a day since I was fucking 12 m8. 10 years later and I don't have any other addictions (despite experimenting with hard drugs) and I'm medical school. My willpower isn't an issue, just my anxiety when I think of a girl romantically.
You might say it's just one person's story, but it still means porn addiction alone isn't sufficient to ruin your willpower/morality.
Humans are incredibly adaptable, brilliant learners. Advances in neuroscience show that we have a brain that is capable of changing itself [1]. While this confers enormous survival advantages, it also burdens us with unintended consequences: We can be reprogrammed to take pleasure from and crave almost anything.
This is no secret to Madison Avenue. Advertisers sow discontent, a kind of an itch that can be scratched only by designer handbags, sweet foods laced with chocolate, or hot videogames - all of which stimulate our pleasure centers, opening the door for addictions.
Fortunately natural, low-cost techniques can activate our innate recharging, healing, and self-soothing systems: the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS); the cuddle hormone, oxytocin; the calming neurotransmitter, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA); and feel-good endorphins. When we feel threatened, the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) revs up, preparing for fight or flight, increasing heart rate and respiratory rate and heightening tension and alertness. Once danger has passed, the SNS should stand down while the PNS turns on to slow the heart and respiratory rates, relax the mind and body, repair damaged tissues, reduce inflammation, and induce feelings of safety. Unfortunately, in this high-stress world, our SNS is overactive, while its counterpoint, our PNS, is underactive. How can we amp down the SNS and crank up the PNS?
>>24619139
Porn doesn't cause high dopamine release once you're desensitized from years of watching. Even when it does (that rare video from time to time) it's kind of short-lived when you compare it to something like gambling or drug use.
>>24619139
I get the same amount of pleasure from fapping with or without porn.
It is a fact that the PNS can be turned on by warm fuzzies: stroking, petting, hugging, holding a teddy bear, walking in the woods, yoga, qigong, meditation, or loving thoughts and feelings. Giving and receiving caretaking and helping others also mobilize the PNS [3]. In addition, warm fuzzies increase the release of oxytocin, the neurohormone that facilitates bonding. Moreover, activating the PNS increases activity of GABA, the inhibitory neurotransmitter, and improves the ability of regulatory centers (prefrontal cortex and insular cortex) to control the over-reactivity generated in the emotion processing centers (amygdala and hippocampus). Many addiction treatment programs include community service because helping others fosters a sense of meaningful connection, self worth, and the ability to experience the healthy addictive pleasures of giving.
There's more good news. Changing the pattern of our breathing is probably the fastest way to jump start the PNS and thereby increase oxytocin and GABA [4]. For most people, breathing gently at three to six breaths per minute with equal inhalation and exhalation induces a calm, alert state within 10 minutes [5]. This pattern has been called coherent breathing or resonant breathing because it induces the optimal balance between the SNS and PNS - a calm, alert, focused state of mind and synchronization of brain waves with respiration and heartbeat. Furthermore, breathing at this rate maximizes the amount of oxygen the lungs extract with each breath, leading to enhanced sports performance.
Many yoga and meditative practices include breath awareness and changing the pattern of the breath as a means to quiet the fluctuations of the mind, balance emotions, and improve stress resiliency [5,6]. Brain scans show that yoga and meditation can increase the size of critical brain areas and increase GABA activity [4,7]. Pilot studies are also indicating that mind-body practices can alter the expression of genes. One such study found that over time mind-body practices that elicited a relaxation response changed the expression of more than 1,000 genes, leading to altered metabolism, reduced production of destructive free radicals, and improved response to oxidative stress [8]. The iconic immutable DNA blueprint is giving away to evidence that many genes can be turned on (up-regulated) or turned off (down-regulated) by environmental events. Genomic research brings hope even to those with unfavorable polymorphisms. Changes in gene expression may be proven to underly many of the benefits that flow from mind-body practices, including resistance to addictions.
tl;dr any habit to the point of stress could cause addiction/withdrawal, which would require a long term break to let the brain repair itself
>>24619188
That's fucking stupid, hyperventilating gives you way more oxygen than equal inhalation and exhalation at 3-6bpm
>>24618469
>you can still fap, just stop watching porn
While that is true
Why?
It enhances my pleasure with no downsides since it is free, plentiful, and harmless.
You are just a buzzkilling moralfag.
If anything me still practicing prone masturbation is WAY more harmful, but I have no choice at this point if I want to ejaculate. I cant cum any other way, even if it is bad for my dick.
>>24619175
>>24619186
And this is called an addiction.
For the study, Dr Kuhn and her colleague Jurgen Gallinat from Charite University, also in Berlin, recruited 64 healthy men between the ages of 21 and 45 years and asked them questions about their porn-watching habits.
They also took images of the men's brains to measure volume and to see how their brains reacted to pornographic pictures, says the study published in JAMA Psychiatry journal (must credit).
They found noticeable differences in the men who abstained compared with those who regularly accessed sexual videos or images.
Dr Kuhn said 'We found that the volume of the so-called striatum, a brain region that has been associated with reward processing and motivated behaviour was smaller the more pornography consumption the participants reported.
'Moreover we found that another brain region, that is also part of the striatum that is active when people see sexual stimuli, shows less activation the more pornography participants consumed.'
However other researchers claimed that pornography in moderation was probably not damaging.
'Dr Gregory Tau of the Columbia University, said: 'Everything is going to be bad in excess and it's probably not terrible in moderation.'
Dr Tau, who was not involved with the study, said more research was needed, in particular longer studies to determine whether porn leads to brain changes.
He said 'It is possible that there are individuals with a certain kind of brain that are more susceptible to these kinds of behaviours.
'Or, it's possible it's the excessive use (of porn) that's perpetuating itself to causing brain changes. Or, it could be both.'
Dr Kuhn said other behaviours, such as driving a taxi are linked to changes in brain size and functioning.
'Basically everything that people do very frequently can shape their brain structure and function' she added.
>>24619227
The dopamine hypothesis doesn't even explain most addictions, which have better models working for them. The latest on addiction research even discounts dopamine as the pleasure neurotransmitter and says it's more for stamping emotional salience.
Porn May Shut Down Part of Your Brain
Watching pornography would seem to be a vision-intensive task. But new research finds that looking at erotic movies can actually quiet the part of the brain that processes visual stimuli.
Most of the time, watching movies or conducting any other visual task sends extra blood flow to this brain region. Not so when the movies are explicit, the researchers found. Instead, the brain seems to shunt blood - and therefore energy - elsewhere, perhaps to regions of the brain responsible for sexual arousal.
Turns out, the brain may not need to take in all the visual details of a sex scene, said study researcher Gert Holstege, a uroneurologist at the University of Groningen Medical Center in the Netherlands.
"If you look, for example, at your computer and you have to write something or whatever, then you have to look specifically and carefully at what you're doing because if you don't, it means you make mistakes," Holstege told LiveScience. "But the moment you are watching explicit sexual movies, that's not necessary, because you know exactly what's going on. It's not important that the door is green or yellow."
The brain can either be anxious or aroused (or neither), Holstege said, but not both. During orgasm, he has found, activity in brain regions associated with anxiety plummets. This phenomenon may explain why women with low levels of sexual desire often have high levels of anxiety, Holstege said. It makes sense; if you're looking around, focusing on visual details, scanning for danger, it may not be so easy to focus on arousal, he said. [The Sex Quiz: Myths, Taboos and Bizarre Facts]
>>24619227
Desensitization doesn't necessarily mean addiction. You can be desensitized to violence for example, or surgical gore, or porn, just from over-exposure.
>>24619216
>free, plentiful, and harmless
>harmless
Define harmless. You're basically saying "if you tell me to stop looking at porn you're a buzzkilling moralfag". Why not look a bit deeper?
It would be easy to say porn has no downsides because you dont really feel anything going wrong when you watch it, but what if? What if we didn't know? For years i've been fapping up to 6 times a day and there's always this lingering feeling of... Hardship. I feel drained, powerless.
So what if the noporn fags were right?
Watching Porn Linked To Less Gray Matter In The Brain
To answer that question, German researchers recruited 64 men between the ages of 21 and 45 who watched an average of four hours of pornography per week. The researchers did MRI scans of men's brains while showing them a mixture of sexually explicit images and non-sexual imagery. Their research was published May 28 in the journal JAMA Psychiatry.
"Our findings indicated that gray matter volume of the right caudate of the striatum is smaller with higher pornography use," the researchers wrote in the journal article, referring to an area of the brain associated with reward processing and motivation. Men who watched more porn also showed less activity in another area of the striatum, called the left putamen, which usually lights up in response to sexual images.
Heavy porn consumers also had a weaker connection between the striatum and the prefrontal cortex, an area of the brain associated with decision-making.
"Dysfunction of this circuitry has been related to inappropriate behavioral choices, such as drug seeking, regardless of the potential negative outcome," the researchers wrote in the article.
Pea brain: watching porn online will wear out your brain and make it shrivel
>>24619227
But you said fapping is ok, just no porn allowed.
How porn is rewiring our brains
Along with a great number of porn users, they had rewired the arousal pathways in their brains. "Pornography," writes Doidge, "satisfies every one of the prerequisites for neuroplastic change," - that is, the brain's ability to form new neural circuitry. The most important condition is the release of dopamine, the neurotransmitter that gives us a feeling of exciting pleasure, which porn triggers. The more often you watch porn and get the dopamine hit it delivers, the more the activity and the sensation become entwined in your brain.
Doidge puts it like this: "since neurons that fire together wire together, these men got massive amounts of practice wiring these images into the pleasure centres of the brain." And, "because plasticity is competitive, the brain maps for new, exciting images increased at the expense of what had previously attracted them."
>>24618849
>The dopamine pathways in your brain are trained to like it
There is no training involved, it is a natural and instinctual/reflexive response for men to like porn. You actually need strong training and conditioning to not like it.
>It's a literal addiction
Liking something and having a dependency on something are two different things.
It would be like yelling at women for enjoying a vibrator/dildo when she masturbates.
>brain damage
[citation needed]
>>24619317
The brain doesn't find fapping or sex to be as harmful as porn.
>>24618799
>most harmful non-drug habit you could have
>not self harm
The brains of men who watch lots of pornography tend to be smaller in certain key areas and have fewer connections than those of other men, a new study has found.
The differences appeared in a brain region called the striatum, which is associated with reward and motivation.
"Since the striatum is part of the brain network that is known to respond to sexual cues, one can assume that this reflects a blunting of the reaction to erotic stimuli," study co-author Simone Kuhn, a psychologist at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Germany, wrote in an email to Live Science.
But although the findings are suggestive, it's not clear that watching porn actually causes men's brains to shrink. Perhaps men who watch a lot of porn are different in some underlying way from those who don't, and that could explain the smaller size, experts said.
Sexual disorder?
With the rise of the Internet, people can now anonymously access pornography at all hours of the day with just the click of a mouse.
"This has fostered the pervasiveness of pornography use and raises the question of whether it has any effects on brain structure and function," Kuhn said.
A 2013 study in the journal Socioaffective Neuroscience and Psychology, found that people who reported problems controlling their urge to view sexual images did not display brain patterns that are characteristic of people with addictions.
But even behavior that doesn't rise to the level of an addiction or disorder can still be problematic, said William Struthers, a neuroscientist at Wheaton College in Illinois, who was not involved in the new study.
"We now need to acknowledge that this fits somewhere on a pathological spectrum," with some people affected relatively little by porn, while others may have their relationships and life compromised, he said.
I've been trying to go completely cold turkey and failed after max 48h
This time I'll try just abstaining from porn and still fapping, at least at the beginning.
Wish me luck anons
Brain scans
To assess the effect of pervasive porn watching on the brain, Kuhn and her colleague, Jurgen Gallinat, a researcher at the Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy in Germany, placed 64 healthy men in a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scanner, and measured the men's responses to sexual and neutral images. On average, outside of the lab, the men watched about four hours of pornography a week, with some of the respondents watching nearly 20 hours a week and others watching none at all.
The avid porn watchers showed lower activation of reward circuitry in the brain (as suggested by lower blood flow to certain brain regions) in response to the sexual images.
When their brains were at rest, they also had smaller grey matter volume in areas of the brain, such as the striatum, associated with reward processing and motivation, compared with men who watched less porn.
Past research, detailed in 2012 in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, suggested watching porn can quiet a brain region that processes visual stimuli called the primary visual cortex.
Quitting masturbation is easy, albeit unnecessary, quitting porn is harder than quitting smoking or drinking.
>>24619357
Any sources? How much more harmful?
>>24619399
Keep fapping whenever the urge hits, just don't use porn. The entire point is to have your brain disconnect porn and sexual activity.
>>24619430
Masturbation and sex isn't harmful at all.
>>24619430
>Masturbation and sex isn't harmful at all.
This makes no sense. Surely sex would be more harmful than porn since you're experiencing it in real life rather than just images on a screen.
The symptoms of pornography addiction withdrawal are similar to withdrawal addiction symptoms from substances like alcohol, cocaine and heroin.
Many porn users in Utah and across the United States can find comfort knowing that other people are experiencing similar symptoms as they go through the withdrawal process. In general, some porn users have few symptoms, but others report severe symptoms.
The symptoms of pornography addiction withdrawal are similar to withdrawal addiction symptoms from substances like alcohol, cocaine and heroin.
Utah residents experience pornography addictions, just like individuals in other states. Porn addiction is different from drug addiction, but the withdrawal symptoms are similar because all addictions share certain neurochemical and cellular changes, which influence specific regions of the brain. The brain releases more dopamine for a new mate than a familiar one. It's logical that porn triggers a neurochemical roller coaster in many brains because it's like the individual is experiencing new partners.
Pornography addiction often causes highs to feel great and lows to feel really dark. This up and down is a withdrawal symptom many addicts experience. Furthermore, this symptom is not just physical; it's emotional, too. Changing emotions can take over your thoughts and change your perception of the world. However, there is hope. Many men who suffer from these deep lows report seeing large improvements after being without porn for a while.
Pornography addiction withdrawal symptoms include anxiety, restlessness, irritability, insomnia, fatigue, headaches, poor concentration, depression, social isolation and loss of libido. These symptoms can take days to occur, but might last for months to years.
Pornography addiction causes a chemical imbalance in the brain, which is much more than a moral weakness. The brain and body can heal, but it's just like any addiction. Similar to other dependencies, a small dose here and there_-_even if infrequent_-_often renews the cycle.
Porn users in Utah and across the nation can be startled by the severity of their withdrawal symptoms when they stop using porn. These symptoms serve a purpose and help individuals understand the physical addictiveness of this type of dependency. It may take months to fully recover, but it's important not to compare progress with anyone else.
If you or anyone you know is suffering with or recovering from a pornography addiction, consider working with one of Utah's trained specialists that can help you or a loved one receive the proper care.
>>24619441
So how long can it take for my brain to rewire a bit? Like, would it be a full year before I saw any effects at all? Or is it more like a couple months? Also any tips to help with this? I'm guessing plenty of water, exercise and good sleep will help me.
I like the idea of fapping if I feel like it, but without porn. It's like it's on me to get excitement again, it's not on the computer. I create it.
>>24619470
Meant for>>24619441
bloxblox blox
>>24619470
The brain finds porn to be addictive because it involves looking at multiple women, as many as tens of women in the same fapping session. The brain is set up to prioritize multiple partners, and is making you a cokewhore. Sex with your partner or even a new partner every X amount of time isn't harmful because it's only a moderate dopamine release.
>>24619298
>Tolerance doesn't necessarily mean addiction
>>24619470
Fapping to porn has part of the pleasure and excitement but with ZERO of the actual benefits of sex. No human contact, increased heart rate, no human interaction in intercourse, no sweat, no effort, no nothing. Fapping will never me the same as the real thing.
>>24619578
People have told me sex is far and away more pleasurable than porn. See >>24619629
>>24619658
Dopamine isn't pleasure. It's reward.
>>24619682
Don't get caught into definitions words and terms. The real thing is not, and will never be the same as fapping. Therefore you can't compare them and you are limited when you want to argue about sex and fapping, because it's just not the same.
For example you can't assume excessive fapping is harmless because sex is harmless. They're just different things.
>>24619682
A reward for what? Having sex would be rewarding but I fap because I've never had a gf and I feel like a loser piece of shit when I'm done.
>>24619517
You'll start feeling much worse in the upcoming month, and you'll also feel better in some ways in between feeling like shit. The signs of withdrawal will be proof that your brain is healing. You'll see good and bad results right away, and it will take as long as it takes to maintain neurological homeostasis again.
You might even relapse. Whatever you do, do not fap to porn. During my withdrawal, sex or jerking off wouldn't help at all, I would eyeball porn for a minute just so my heart rate would lower from 100bpm. YMMV.
>>24619749
Read the thread. As far as your brain is concerned; Porn is reward
>>24619794
And sex isn't?
>>24619813
Fucking the same chick isn't as rewarding as seeing 10 naked girls. That's just how it works.
>>24619629
>fapping to porn involves no sweat, no effort
Speak for yourself, minuteman.
>>24619604
Although some drugs or behaviors that produce tolerance may have addictive potential, the development of tolerance is not addiction. Almost all non-addicting drugs also have tolerance effects.
I also want to say that dopamine neurons in the VTA don't even explain most addictions. For example, blocking dopamine activity in nicotine or opiate addiction doesn't block the reward sensations and addictive properties. More than that, DA neurons are shown to activate from negative sensations and not just reward sensations, which guides current thinking to regard dopamine as a learning signal instead of reward signal.
>>24619379
People who practice cutting survive. Porn addiction has lead to suicide, and /r9k/ is proof of this.
>>24619840
This
I usually average about 2 to 2 and a half hours
>>24619835
Do anime girls count? That's all I look at and I know they're not real.
>>24619874
>board of desperately lonely loser virgins who've drawn the short straw at life
>so desperate they don't know what to do
>kill themselves from depression or loneliness
>hurrr durr porn is deadly
>>24619876
>Do anime girls count?
You have to take time off and ask yourself that. If looking at anime girls is that rewarding to you, it's a good sign that your brain is dependent on it. All you need is a break.
Personally, I never liked irl porn. My addiction was entirely anime.
>>24619915
All of that sounds like a typical heroin habit. If you're using porn because you're desperate, your brain will go through physical changes as with drugs. It's the same reason why being depressed or having stress in itself will kill you, your brain will go toward self-destruction and make all problems worse in response to an already bad problem.
I personally found getting off opioids to be worse than getting off porn, mainly because I didn't believe porn was harmful, so I kept the habit going my entire fucking life. The opioid addiction was arguably worse in effects, but the porn addiction was much worse because of how LONG it lasted. 90 days of recurring hell as opposed to 7 days of sustained hell.
>>24619741
>Don't get caught into definitions words and terms.
I'm not. Your brain literally sees pleasure and reward differently. Thinking you're an anime character fucking new girls every hour is extremely rewarding, and therefore addictive.
Your fapping problems are actually entirely from porn.
>>24619212
Hyperventilation causes the body's carbon dioxide to crash, causing more panic symptoms. Steady breathing will give the organs enough oxygen and the blood enough CO2, therefore reducing stress/panic.
>>24619874
people who cut bleed out daily
>>24619310
>gray matter volume of the right caudate of the striatum is smaller with higher pornography use
Why would more use equate to fewer connections/neurons/etc? you would think it would be the reverse. More use --> more complexity
>>24620192
Yeah I know that, hyperventilation isn't a good idea but the claim made about maximizing oxygen intake is therefore incorrect.
>>24620237
I think it has something to do with the brain going to efficiency. Why would you want to create more connections if you are only using a couple of them to get your dopamine? Actually having sex or other activities will create more connections because it has interaction with other humans and it's basically a thousand times more complex than sitting here fapping.
>>24620216
Still nothing compared to compulsive blood donators.
>>24620237
Porn causes reduced blood flow in the brain and ultimately simplifies your brain's dopamine pathways. There's many types of receptors, and you can feel reward in 500 different ways. If porn is your only source of reward, the brain will optimize accordingly.
>>24620288
Ah, probably. There's lots of small things between shit like yoga and medical science.
>>24620348
This. I'd also like to point out that people with actual sex addiction tend to not do anything else in their lives, causing a similar effect. Weed can also be physically addicting if your only source of dopamine is weed.
Your brain is a bastard.
It's not like I'll ever get to have sex anyway. What's the point of depriving myself of the little pleasure left in my life?
>>24620468
Because you're not feeling pleasure, you're feeling reward. You can still fap to porn, just take breaks so your brain doesn't self-destruct during the compulsion.
You need to get reward from other sources. You're literally an addict right now, and you can prevent serious harm by not optimizing your brain for porn.
Is it the same if i have camsex a lot? I want to switch to that.
>>24620468
Because what you call little pleasure is actually an extremely subtle and slow poison that drains your energy and makes you feel down, powerless. It's like we are always chasing after chad and women, always uphill, always struggling. Then we come home and squeeze that thing until we dry and our eyes itch from looking at the screen with 21 different tabs open.
It's not a little pleasure. It's one hell of a drug.
>>24619999
My point was the porn doesn't kill them, their circumstances do.
>>24620521
>just take breaks
I edge while fapping to make it last longer, does that count?
>>24620615
>I edge while fapping to make it last longer, does that count?
This makes it worse because you're prolonging the dopamine release. Brain acts accordingly and shrinks areas of the brain it deems unnecessary for fapping to porn.
>>24620615
Their circumstances get perpetuated by a daily habit of looking at porn, never rising to the challenges before them, never winning the battle. Always left behind, feeling alone. Porn contributes so much to that because it's just so easy and free and apparently harmless to sit alone in a dimly lit room by yourself beating it
I've been off of porn for a couple of years now. I was legit addicted. Watching when on the toilet at work, check. Watching under the table at family dinners. Couldn't get it up with real girls and cumming fast with even a half chub. So I quit. I don't know or care about the brain studies or anything else, it helped me a lot. I have a lot more control(erections, cumming ). My imagination is off the charts now. When I'm with a girl I learned to concentrate on the way things feel rather than how they look. It's a lot harder if you don't have past sexual experiences to lean on in the beginning, I'd imagine.
>>24618799
What a fucking joke. When you state hyperbole as fact nobody will believe your gay shit, you fag Christian.
>>24620563
>>24620521
When I don't fap I actually get very lonely and desire contact with other people. I start thinking about the last girl that talked to me and things like that. As soon as I fap and get the pleasure of orgasm, I'm suddenly over the need for those things and can do something productive for myself like make get out of bed, make food, or getting work done.
How long are you suggesting breaks should be? I already wait a 3-4 hours in between masturbating and each session is only about 15 minutes. I do get other stimulation from 2D entertainment but I'm usually anxious at the same time until I masturbate.
>>24618469
Help me OP, in the last week ive spend around a total of 24hrs downloading porn, I already filled a quarter of my new 1TB drive.
>>24620615
The porn is a part of their circumstances. The brain makes it worse. You gotta understand that even Russian serfdom was psychologically sustainable. People living the absolute shittiest lives and still chose to live.
I don't have a personal vendetta against porn, I'm saying it's unsustainable.
Trust me, I'd love it if everyone on planet Earth can fap to porn with no physical consequences.
>>24620615
>shrinks areas of the brain it deems unnecessary
What areas are unnecessary? It's not like a sit around all day fapping, I go to Uni studying electronic engineering which is constant intellectual stimulation, plus I play a lot of music. If my brain decides to get rid of systems for shit like drawing and social shit I couldn't care less, I'd rather have the porn than those system anyway.
>>24620701
The way I see it you're still getting work done even when you're a slave to porn. 2D, 3D, whatever does it for you, it's all the same. When we stop fapping or looking at porn we are faced with the harsh reality that we need to overcome, whatever that is for you.
For me: I have had countless opportunities with many different women that I have fucked up in one way or another. So EVERYTIME I try to get away from the easy route (fapping, porn, overeating) I start panicking and remembering everything I did wrong. But it's been nearly 3 months porn free now and I can tell you it's already much better. The way I did it is I put my monitor on a fucking closet and meditated more. Less videogames, less porn, less junk food, more actual good stuff. I feel like a fucking social butterfly when I walk into work more often than not now.
>>24620724
Delete it all. You don't need an archive of sluts. They're all gonna go old, get ugly and die. In a decade, no one will give a shit about them. Let those actresses rot and die from the industry that created them. Porn actresses will never be remembered.
Buy a bigger hard drive (get an 8TB one for $250), fill it with music. Being figuratively addicted to some habits are fine, but habits such as porn creates an actual addiction.
>>24618947
>Your brain will break down after the dopamine pathways burn out. It feels good, but your brain won't be able to handle it biologically after a set amount of time.
As a neuroscience major with 1 semester left, that is the funniest shit I have read all week
>>24620742
>What areas are unnecessary?
That was kind of an understatement joke. Your brain will start jettisoning everything that doesn't involve fapping to porn.
In other words: physical dependence. Growing your brain back is painful and will end in body stress (that could end with cardiovascular disease) and panic attacks like the Rebbitors who suddenly went on nofap this year. >>24619033
>>24618987
>his sources are Huffington Post and pop science websites' incorrect interpretation of some studies
Wow man good job you are an expert researcher
>>24620880
>Your brain will start jettisoning everything that doesn't involve fapping to porn
If this logic is to be accepted then I also have an "addiction" to work and music, implying that my brain will jettison everything that doesn't involve electronics, maths, porn and music. I'm ok with that.
>>24620701
Fapping is okay. Just never watch porn.
It's normal to feel lonely and to want to talk to people. This can be alleviated without porn.
It's not normal to feel symptoms related to porn such as anxiety, stress, physical withdrawal, extreme brain fog, etc.
>>24620851
>>24620900
>>24620942
/r/ sources saying porn is healthy for the mind
>>24620851
>>24620900
>>24620942
You can check the links for the actual studies. I linked the articles for a good tl;dr for posting on 4chan.
>>24618987
Oh, neat. Another thing that I can blame my stupidity on.
Masturbating to doujins is safe right. There's a story, an emotional latching, and it requires you to pay attention to all the still images while reading text.
Let me know if there's any research the harms of this.
>>24621044
all that shit is attaching masturbation to unnatural reward response, personal experience says that it's as bad as porn.
just stop falling for the erotic jew
>>24620880
I would also question the severity of my "addiction". I fap once a day or once every two days, exclusively to ecchi. I never watch proper hardcore or hentai. I question the effects this low level of porn exposure has on my brain.
>>24618469
What about softcore stuff? How the fuck am I supposed to make it if every time I go out all women from all agea are dressed like turbosluts?
Can lewd anime have a similar effect?
>>24621093
The only objective measure aside from MRI is being away from porn for a week and seeing how you feel. You're probably safe though, as long as you have a constant supply of your porn and time to fap.
>>24621211
The point is to separate libido from reward. I'm sure that fapping without porn will make you tolerate (read: ignore) sluts even better.
Anime and softcore porn can be extremely rewarding, but only you can ask yourself that.
>>24621220
I have about 7 hours every evening and a stable internet connection. After doing some more research I get the impression that the danger comes from the need for more and more extreme porn, like how drug users need a bigger and bigger hit to get high. I fap to the same stuff every day and it never gets boring, so I guess I'm ok.
>>24621339
That can still change. And you're still getting a high reward from doing absolutely nothing. It's not bad in itself, but it can mess with getting reward outside of porn.
>>24621464
I'll have you know I put a lot of effort into my fapping, finding lactation and stripping ecchis is an absolute ball ache.
>>24621339
The problem that you're still abusing your brain's tendency to release dopamine in response to different women. You're jacking off to 10+ women at a time. We evolved for this about as well as we evolved for heroin.
Nah I think I'll keep watching porn. It's pretty much the best part of most of my days
>>24621543
>pavlov's dog
>>24618799
Do pictures count?
>>24621602
Looking at hundreds of pictures of naked women is going to feel rewarding.
Will you get addicted? You have to ask yourself.
>>24620880
>Your brain will start jettisoning everything that doesn't involve fapping to porn
L M F A O holy SHIT this guy is fucking hilarious! He makes more outrageous claims about porn than a 1700's Catholic Pope. Post your poorly written study done by biased religious researchers please. I know it's coming.
>"God dun rot yer brain out iffin' you be watching' that there garbage, hear me squirt?"
>>24621779
The important thing is whether it helps you.
>>24621779
http://yourbrainonporn.com
I still need sources saying porn is healthy.
>>24621010
>You can check the links for the actual studies.
I did. The articles misinterpret the research and claim far more than what is scientifically valid. I am a researcher of sorts and I have never (not ever) read a single media representation of a study that was accurate and depicted what the study actually said.
>>24621930
>durr your brain is ADDICTED OOH SCARY WOOOOOOoOoOoOoOo
Even if I admit you're correct, I don't care. Why should I care about being "ADDICTED" to porn?
>>24622075
KEK you sure do love your porn
>>24622075
You sound like a kek.
Ever notice how fags who watch anime always show symptoms of addiction?
>anxiety, stress, afraid, avoids social contact
They're more similar to heroin fags than they'd like to admit.
>>24622102
Yep it makes me happy. What's the big deal? I go into my room for 5 to 35 minutes every other day and have fun. The rest of the day I am a normal person. I don't see a problem.
>>24618469
Scientific evidence or not, masturbation is DEGENERACY.
FACT: Masturbation will not assist you on your way to becoming ubermensch.
Masturbation WILL make you feel like a shitty shell of a person
Masturbation means you ARE WEAKER THAN NON-MASTURBATORS.
Get your hand off of your dick and strive to better yourself and your race.
>>24621930
According to this website, looking at all the different women I see wearing yoga pants on a daily basis is going to make me stupid or some shit. Basically it's all crap science.
>>24622075
C
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What's the matter, can't live without seeing whores getting fucked?
>>24622246
Nope. And there's no problem with it.
>>24622212
I don't think anyone's going to do that when they need a steady supply of watching a girl get fucked by a man. It's the ultimate cvckold experiment.
How am I supposed to masturbate without using porn?
>>24622403
Imagination or memory.
Is erotic writing addictive/brain-damaging?
all i fap to nowadays is twerking vids desu
>>24622403
Using your libido. You'll get one eventually.
>>24622403
I have only has sex with 1 girl and she was trashy. Thinking about that girl every time I masturbate seems way less healthy than porn.
>>24622470
Probably not. Just keep in mind that you're merely looking for ways out.
>>24622521
Find another.
This is fucking junk science. Where is the cut off? Looking at a girl naked will make me addicted? Looking at a girl with tight clothes on will make me addicted? Looking at a girl with normal clothes on will make me addicted? Thinking about a girl will make me addicted? What the fuck is the cut off? It just seems like a normal human activity to look at a cute girl and have an erection, what the fuck is wrong with that?
>>24622574
>porn addict realizing he needs an exit strategy
>>24622639
>religious fanatic realizing he can't argue and just uses ad hominem instead
>>24622574
>What the fuck is the cut off?
needing a computer (or a bull) to get off, you cvck
>>24622668
not religious, but I'm not surprised about a militant atheist being addicted to internet porn
>>24622574
The cut off is the actual masturbation or edging that takes places when you're viewing porn. A lot of the comments here refer to "viewing porn", but obviously we're not talking about simply 'seeing' it, we're talking about the process of going to porn and fapping to it.
Seeing a girl with tight clothes on will 'trigger' a porn addict to some degree, but in general he won't start touching himself in public while viewing it, so the behaviour isn't reinforced to the degree it would be viewing porn, because if he's viewing porn - the odds are he's touching himself.
>>24622860
>Seeing a girl with tight clothes on will 'trigger' a porn addict to some degree
..........no it won't, that's the whole point of porn addiction
>>24622075
Would you care if someone killed you?
Would you care if someone injured you?
Would you care if that person was yourself?
>>24622574
The cutoff is spending hours jerking off to multiple porn videos to orgasm. From there, you're farming worthless dopamine through your virtual harem. This much is a fact, the subjective part is whether this harms you in particular. Some people become addicts and suffer withdrawal when not having access to it.
Keep in mind that the whole appeal of a kekold fetish is watching multiple men screw your girl. Porn isn't much different from this.
>>24622200
>tfw love anime
>tfw have all of those
Fuck. I can't give up anime, but going on a T break wouldn't hurt.
I've been thinking the same thing. After acquiring a gf, I still keep masturbating to pornography, even if we've had sex and I'm sexually relieved. I'm convinced it's addiction. I keep telling myself to quit. But it's harder than I thought. Way harder.
>>24623091
Good luck bro. It's going to suck, especially if you've never quit anything and don't know what withdrawals are like. But keep with it and you'll regain a part of your life you never knew you had.
>>24622987
>Keep in mind that the whole appeal of a kekold fetish is watching multiple men screw your girl. Porn isn't much different from this.
Can you stop being so emotional about this? Your gutteral hatred of being outdone by other men is seeping into this unrelated conversation. You don't even know what kind of porn I look at, or if it even involves a man. It doesn't take me "hours" of looking at porn to be done, I can finish in 3 minutes or in 45 minutes, it's whatever I choose. Usually I just get done in 5 because I don't care for the waste of time
it's hilarious you dumbfucks are so insecure that you can't separate this debate from screaming "CVCKOLD CVCKOLD OMG WATCH OUT", as if the idea of someone fucking a bitch and being more successful than you is so threatening that you can't even have it tangentially near you or you will break down. Half of this discussion has just been a bunch of faggot retards chasing a " CVCKOLD" bogeyman that doesn't exist
>>24623201
>You don't even know what kind of porn I look at
Bro, I'm literally looking at someone defend his addiction right now. You don't know how you look right now.
>>24623164
>talking about porn like it's a hard drug
yep now I'm convinced that this entire thread is just 1 guy cock stroking himself for "quitting porn omg so hard" for no reason other than he read a Christian propaganda website about brain damage
Look at this silly fag trying to start a support group for quitting porn. Ridiculous.
>>24623256
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-does-withdrawal-from-porn-look-like
https://www.reddit.com/r/pornfree/search?q=withdrawal&restrict_sr=on
There's literally thousands of testimonials about people quitting porn and experiencing withdrawal symptoms.You're hearing more about it at the end of November for fuck's sake. People are actually experiencing this.
>>24623256
See >>24619033
Reddit niggers went to the fucking hosptial because of the Nofap meme.
I jerked off 4 times today. Considering deleting the porn collection again... but I have wavering confidence in the idea that I can get something worthwhile to replace it with.
>>24623231
>"Bro, I'm literally looking".
Wow man, that is impressive. Are you "literally looking" right now? I don't think I can do that, "bro". That's is pretty awesome. I have only met a few people in my life who were able to "literally look". It's the kind of ability you only read about in it a book, "bro". I'm glad you.mastered the combination art/science of " literally looking", which is far more impressive than "figuratively looking". Good on you "bro"!
>>24623409
Why are you so mad? Go jerk off to porn and maybe you'll feel better.
>>24623390
Keep fapping, delete the porn. See how far you can go without it. The worse you feel, the more you have to stick with it.
>the idea that I can get something worthwhile to replace it with.
This is the cornerstone of an addiction. The point is that you can't replace porn.
>>24623318
Yeah, what, some guy's go from 3x/day masturbators watching hours of fetish porn to quitting cold turkey and experienced problems? Woah no way. It's almost as if cutting out a major part of your life instantly will have psychological drawbacks. Woah never would have guessed. What does this mean to me, the person who watches porn for 10 minutes 3 times a week and has sex with women all the time with no problems?
>>24621044
Imo doujins have been worse than 3D porn for me. Being completely honest, and I don't even want to quit it. I'm 2 weeks off it and I can barely take it. Nofap November is ending and I'm pretty much forced to continue going doujin-free.
>>24623424
I can't, I don't have the ability to "literally look at stuff" like you do "bro"
>>24623475
Well I just deleted my 3D porns.
I have no will to fap without porn. I've done nofap and no-porn before.
>The point is that you can't replace porn.
I could get sexual gratification from somewhere else.
>>24623531
People are still masurbating, both of those sites allows this, so you're wrong here.
It's not just cold turkey off porn, people do relapse/taper, and they're still experiencing physical withdrawal symptoms, not "psychological drawbacks", which shouldn't even fucking occur when giving up something healthy. You do realize that cold turkey refers to a heroin addiction, right? Literally feeling cold. You're wrong on multiple counts here.
You're overreacting like fuck to scientific evidence and you're trying to defend something that obviously hit a nerve with you. It's your decision whether you need to help yourself.
>>24623409
Saved for future use as pasta
Life sucks anyway. Why do the kikes always try to take everything good away?
>>24623647
True, but what I'm saying is that you're still going to have to deal with it. The short term goal is to not fap to porn, and the long term goal is to remove porn.
>>24623727
Maybe life would be better if Jews didn't invent porn for society to watch and emulate.
>Spent whole life fapping exclusively to imagination
I was right all along!
>>24623745
My long term goal is to live and enjoy life.
>addiction
After like 3 years experimenting on and off with this stuff, my results are as follow:
1) It's not addiction. You are "addicted" to porn/masturbation to the same degree that you're addicted to good TV/movies/vidya/etc.
2) That is, it's not a matter of PMO being "addictive" (at least, not for 99.9% of people, including YOU). It's a matter of stimulation.
3) People basically have two ways of being sexually stimulated: physically and mentally. Masturbation, by itself, stimulates you physically; porn/fantasy, by itself, stimulates you mentally.
4) Masturbating with a tight grip (high physical stimulation) to crazy porn and/or multiple instances of porn (high mental stimulation) causes things with less stimulation to either not be as pleasurable or to be impossible to feel pressure from. This, again, is expected and is not unique to addiction.
5) "Okay," you might say, "then what should I do in MY life?"
* Do you have a gf/bf? Most forms of sex are actually pretty low in stimulation. It's one of the reasons why foreplay (for both women and men) is so important. Beyond that, you can either masturbate less and/or consume less porn to make sex more intense. Another option is to add more intensity to sex: use toys, lotions, oils, pillows; roleplay, add more foreplay, or hell, even watch porn before/during sex.
* Don't have a gf/bf? Do you feel like you masturbate to porn too often? Try to wean yourself off of those things and replace them with other sources of stimulation. For example, if you find a good exercise regimen tailored for you, the "high" from exercise will be more than enough to not need masturbation. Mental stimulation is trickier, but it really comes down to finding things and people that *actually* stimulate your mental faculties and not just shutting your brain off.
>>24623674
It's hilarious that you claim to represent science when you have nothing but personal anecdotes. No reputable researchers have tackled this topic yet.
>>24623813
Yep, I was talking about goals for handling withdrawal. Good luck.
>>24623839
>I don't have any scientific evidence to refute this the scientific evidence in this emerging subject that I personally disagree with, p-please don't make me stop watching porn
>>24623894
You don't have any scientific evidence either. That's why it's appalling that you are acting so pretentious.
>>24623957
Uh-huh. You still don't have any scientific evidence.
>>24623817
>Porn isn't addicting but everything surrounding porn enables addiction
Heroin technically isn't addictive either.
>>24624024
Ok. So we're on equal footing is what you're saying.
>>24624135
It's not addictive in itself. The problem is that people like you and me live lives with so little stimulation that we rely on porn to fill the gaps almost all of the time.
That's it.
Heroin and harder drugs create highs that are impossible to achieve from anywhere but those drugs.
>>24624222
No, I'm saying you have nothing to refute the studies and you're pretty much talking out your ass when it comes to what you define as "science."
>>24624280
>Porn creates highs that are impossible to achieve from anywhere but those videos
We see it the same way then.
>>24624280
>Relying on porn to fill gaps.
That's another point for your addiction.
>>24624310
Poorly designed studies with a small sample size don't need to be "refuted"
>>24624583
I'm still not feeling the "science evidence" kiddo.
What if I masturbate while looking at a picture of a naked lady? What if it is a picture of a lady with clothes on, but they are suggestive?
>>24624597
Why don't you just post a meme at this point? You clearly can't argue.
>>24624606
Only you can decide what your cutoff is. If you go off cold turkey, and jacking off to a single picture ends your withdrawal, then you still got your fix.
>>24624628
I was waiting for you to do it, actually. It's the only option you have against the evidence.
>>24624645
Quitting porn does not cause withdrawal symptoms, hahaha. Post a peer-reviewed article in a reputable journal of science that says anything close to that.
>>24624734
>Post a peer-reviewed article in a reputable journal of science that says anything close to that.
Heh, I was waiting for you to say this.
>>24624778
That's weird that you were waiting but didn't take action when I activated your trap card
>>24624885
Is that so? I still haven't seen your peer-reviewed article in a reputable journal of science.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>>24624597
>>24624686
It's okay folks, let's calm down. I am sure you are a nice person in real life and we could get along! My name is Michael, but my friends call me M.J.! It's nice to meet you, although the circumstances are strsnge. Haha! I just wanted to say that -- rrggh...... Errrrrrr........ Oh no, please..... not now... NO! RRRRRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHGHHHhhhhhhhh!!!! ME WANT FUCK YOU HARD RIGHT NOW! SHOW ME YOUR TITTIES BITCH!!! GRRRRRRAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!! PORN HAS ADDICTED MY MIND AND MY DOPAMIME RECEPTORS MELTED IN MY BRAIN (scientific terminology), NOW I AM JUST A PORN ADDICTED ANIMAL WOTH SEX FANTASIES!! I CANNOT CONTROL MYSELF!!!!!! JESUS WAS ROGHT ALL ALONG
Does porn include still images?
>>24625033
If you're trying to get off porn for a break, then yes. If there's nothing wrong with you, no.
>>24618987
>covenanteyes
>dailymail
>huffingtonpost
>medium
trashed, you could easily link to the studies these articles are based on rather than link to the chinese whispered renditions on clickbait sites
>porn-shut-visual-brain
the studies were performed on angst panicky women
>pea-brain-watching-porn-online-will-wear-out-your-brain-and-make-it-shrivel
pea brain and shriveling are ambiguous unscientific terms, I am only interested in what actually happens, trashed
>http://www.livescience.com/46006-can-porn-shrink-brain.html
"But although the findings are suggestive, it's not clear that watching porn actually causes men's brains to shrink. Perhaps men who watch a lot of porn are different in some underlying way from those who don't, and that could explain the smaller size, experts said." As I thought it confuses cause and effect, in fact it admits this.
>>24619033
I'm not a redditor
So, again, what is wrong with fapping to good wholesome classy high test porn like this.
>>24625011
Nice meme, and saved. I'm glad I put up with you.
i only watch porn to practice for girls with other guys.
noboday here atually has sex with little grills right???
>>24624930
>Is that so? I still haven't seen your peer-reviewed article in a reputable journal of science
Claiming what? You're the one who is advocating change. I didn't make any claims. You have the burden of proof to show that changing porn habits is desirable, otherwise nobody will believe you. You.can dance around and do whatever, and it's really cute in this discussion you big cutie, but you're not convincing anyone of anything, so what is the point? I don't know why you gave yourself such a big burden of proof. Not only so you have to prove that casual porn use is harmful, you also have to prove that everyone should quit regardless of differences in overall use, quality, and time spent on the material. Even though alcohol is clearly bad for humans, top researchers and doctors would still have a hard time saying that no person should drink alcohol ever.
Many casual alcohol users are just plain healthy and the very very small healthy benefits of quitting their once-per-month alcohol use are far outweighed by the fun of the action.
Are you just going to say a bunch of cute stuff again and not answer anybody's questions?
>defending Jewish directing this much
WWHD?
>>24625136
I've already answered your question an hour ago, and you have no scientific evidence to support your opinion or refute the medical studies done. You can sit down now.
Maybe jacking off to porn will help with your anxiousness.
>>24620288
If you breathe slow enough, so that your regular oxygen level drops, you train your body to work more efficiently with it. But I think it's marginal compared to a breathhold.
>>24619212
Nope, your blood is already saturated at about 98%, hyperventilation only decreases CO2 which has some negative effects.
>being white and looking at foreign cartoon porn
Really?
America has a bunch of antisocial, anxious faggots who literally can't get off their 3 hours a day of Hentai.
Face it, Tojo won in the end.
>i'm not addicted, I've been doing it every day my entire life since I was 12 and I haven't felt anything wrong
>>24619578
So.. if I fap only to one girl, it's not harmful?
Is participating in gang bangs harmful?
>>24625967
>So.. if I fap only to one girl, it's not harmful?
In that case, it would only be partially harmful. There's many factors to it.
>Is participating in gang bangs harmful?
It's not likely to gangbang different women 4 times a day every day since you were 14 or whatever your porn streak is. Even then, it might not be harmful because one of the aspects of a porn addiction is the low-pleasure high-reward aspect of it.
>>24624342
>>24624385
But that's not...That's not what defines an addiction at all.
An addiction to hard drugs creates a high so intense that absolutely nothing else matters except achieving that high.
From you've quoted, you could say the same things about being "addicted" to reading books or exercise. Each thing can create a high so intense that everything else pales in comparison, yes...But given the low percentage of people who show true symptoms of addiction in those cases, it's clear that those activities aren't "addictive" but are just pleasurable. In any of these lesser cases, it's not the activity itself but the person performing the activity that warrants attention.
In a very simple sense, hard drugs work regardless of a person's self control. To the degree that person is addicted to lesser things, it depends on the person's willpower and how much they enjoy that thing in the first place.
My personal opinion:
I think there's a danger in thinking that porn/masturbation is an "addiction". First, you may be cheating yourself out of some simple pleasure by taking such an abstinent stance towards it. Second, you may go overboard into excess because you've convinced yourself that it's not controllable.
If you really want to consume less porn and masturbate less, then you should make the lifestyle changes that make those things unnecessary. That's it.
>>24626287
We're not talking about reading books or exercise. There's lots of porn addicts who claim masturbation doesn't feel good anymore. The fact is, they're never going to live out their porn fantasy, so they're dependent on porn to give it to them, and herein lies the physical degradation of the brain.
after many years of jerkin, I have trained myself to bust within 2 minutes of fapping, with or without pornographic assistance.
>>24626453
top cvck
>>24626287
I'm not sure if there's any scientific evidence that supports masturbation being bad.
>>24619247
>>24619284
>>24619310
>>24619387
>>24619472
Holy fuck... This is unreal.
>>24626069
>gangbang different women 4 times a day every day since you were 14
whew
I would never delete my porn since it has been refined over and over again but I will put it away and try it. It always seemed to be mentally unhealthy to me.
Maybe my therapist can tell me something about it.
I just wrote my whole weird fapping history since when I was 7 but the system thinks it's spam. Not that anyone would care anyway.
>>24618799
Porn has been good for me. It helps demystify women. It's hard to pedestalize something you just watched getting beaten and throatfucked, pissed on, and loved every second of it. IT helps with abundance mentality. I have pr0n, I'm not desperate for some fat chick. Women pick up on that I have options and I seem more attractive.It increases testosterone production, this one is self explanatory. My brain thinks I"m so fucking alpha I got more bitches than my dick can handle so it ramps up production into overdrive. It relieves stress, makes me happy, and doesn't cost anything.
Nofap and noporn are feminist memes weaponized and used to further devastate the male psyche and poison the zeitgeist. Every time you cum to porn it is a blazing act of defiance for everything women stand for. Your rigid cock valiantly spewing forth cum as feminists everywhere shriek and writhe in frustrated agony. Do if for them. Do it to them. Do it for and to yourself.
>>24619033
I think this just highlights the fragility of people who are stupid enough to fall fo rnofap. Only a sick retarded asshole could ever think fapping is a bad thing. I"m not surprised in the least desu senpai.
>>24626835
We definitely agree. Nofap is definitely a meme, and porn does help with abstaining from bad women. There's no doubt about that.
But it doesn't change that porn is a false source of reward that's easily pushed too far. Those who decided on noporn are those who already got their fix for years. After a point, it manifests in actual problems.
If you're fapping to porn multiple times a day every day for years, you're actually falling for the feminist trap.
>>24626835
>jerking off to someone else fucking a woman
>alpha
if you need to be a cvck to be alpha, and your life is entirely revolved around women and sex, then you're not alpha. you're just an addict cvck
>people think a basic biological desire can be an addiction
>>24627146
>watching a more endowed man have sex
>basic biological function
Thank you, Louis.
>>24627038
I wouldn't call it a false source of reward. It's very rewarding. I don't see how it can be pushed too far though. These posts about people dying from watching porn, being hospitalized from porn withdrawals, and killing people because they hallucinated the porn telling them to murder just seem kind of fake to me.
Does anyone even have time to fap multiple times a day to porn? I'm a cutlet so I already can't feel shit. I like to fap before bed most nights but that's about it. There's too much work, school, projects, and hobbies to do during the day, especially to force yourself to fap when you aren't even horny. I only watch porn when I"m horny and always assumed others did the same.
>>24627184
I jack it to 2D thank you very much.
>>24627217
All porn is kek porn.
>>24627079
I think the word you're thinking of is kek.
Most normal guys self insert as the male fucking though. You're projecting your kek fantasies here m7. Nothing wrong with it I guess, but people like you are the whole reason kek wordfilters here. It's never enough to just get off and go about your business. You have to shitpost and say it should be the new mornal for sex. Shit's nasty. Keep it to yourself. You don't see me spamming painal and spanking fetish shit everywhere.
>>24627226
Not if it's just naked girls that don't have penises inside of them.
>>24627185
Here's a nice satire that hits home to some people: http://www.theonion.com/article/carpe-diem-says-man-who-spent-previous-day-masturb-2532
The point is, after a certain point it won't be your libido giving you erections, it'll be the porn addiction. You basically get a second, false libido that causes just as much problems as real libido. If you're fapping to porn to fulfill a porn urge, you're sustaining an issue you yourself created.
There's no biological basis for having to jerk off to porn.
>>24627184
>he doesn't jack it exclusively to amateur solo vids
>>24627251
You can justify it however you want it, but you're still giving many feminists an ego boost by fapping to their bodies and watching them get fucked. That's pretty cvckish if you ask me...
>>24627276
>It's hard to pedestalize something you just watched getting beaten and throatfucked, pissed on, and loved every second of it.
Literally the only problem with porn and masturbation is time consumption and finding porn a little less satisfying than when you first discovered it. Maybe if you're whacking it several times through the day you could get ED or something, but that depends on the person probably. You're literally just trying to push responsibility for your failures onto something else. The reason you get "withdrawals" and your other bullshit is because you're literally designed to want to fuck.
>>24627251
If you're not fucking a real woman at your own leisure, you're beta and falling for the feminist agenda. No amount of porn will change this.
>>24619033
jesus the modern male is so dependent on these escapes that they literally need to be hospitalized if they attempt to cut out this negativity.
when I was a kid I used to fap to qt girls etc
after a decade of fapping like a madman, this is what arouses me now
>>24627356
People with wives still have this problem, sex doesn't fulfill the porn addiction.
>>24627384
They're so used to jerking off to 20 women an hour that when they leave their virtual harem, their brains start to freak out from the absence of simple dopamine. It's pathetic, but serious.
>>24627296
I'm 26 and been a porn user for nearly every fap since discovering I could find naked drawings on google images just by searching my favorite vidya character and scrolling through enough pages at 14. I still haven't gotten that second false libido yet. I'm hoping it kicks in soon though. As I get older I find my libido getting weaker somehow, not stronger. If I'm stressed out I can even go as long as 5 days before realizing I haven't had a fap. It's pretty fucked up. Porn is insignifigant. There's no biological urge for having to cum in a pussy either. The body just want to cum. Porn or pussy is really irrelevant, as long as ejaculation and orgasm take place the brain gives no fucks.
>>24627310
>jacking off to a woman in front of you
you like femdom, anon? *cough* CVCK
why even give her the satisfaction lmao
It's more difficult to orgasm when I don't watch porn as I have to use my imagination or review past sexual experiences. On the other hand, these orgasms are more intense.
I love cycling through, the exploration in finding new fap material. I never watch the same video twice. I usually need to cum more than once to feel sated when I'm aroused from porn, but still quicker than laying in the dark, eyes closed trying to build an orgasm.
>>24627453
The fuck are you even saying
>watching porn
No, I masturbate to erotic literature for my fetish, play it's flashgames, and jerk it to the art.
Hell, my fetish is so master race that I don't even need my hands to fap.
>>24627475
there's a woman getting satisfaction that you're jerking off to her pictures. that's beta as fuck
>>24627507
Do you not understand what I originally said or what? Do you think I pay for any of it?
>>24627446
>porn user for nearly every fap since discovering
>not addicted
I hope the Internet doesn't go down bro, because you're going to be absolutely fucked when you realize masturbating/sex won't fix your porn addiction.
>>24627488
>I don't even need my hands to fap.
Tell me more, oh Skeleton of Radical dubs.
>>24627546
Lots of women post their nudes knowing some lonely addicted fuck like you is using them. It helps those narcissist cunts sleep at night and you're enabling it.
>>24627590
Oh, I get it, you're a faggot.
I'll delete all my porn for my New Year's resolution. December will be the last month of porn, so I'm gonna fap really good and long to AA2 and MGQ1-3.
>>24627604
Nah, I fuck actual woman. No need for imagesets. Kek.
>>24627626
>I fuck actual woman
>is posting on /r9k/
Sure buddy
>>24627646
I get a sick satisfaction from doing it.
>>24627608
After you reset your brain doing 30 days noporn, you can probably still look at anime porn as long as you don't masturbate to it. Good luck, addiction isn't easy to beat.
>>24627556
I hope the internet doesn't go down either, but porn would be the least of my worries if it did. There is no porn addiction. I doubt it even exists, but if it does and I have it then why do I not have any of the signs of porn addiction? If porn addiction is just frequently but not always using porn during masturbation and not at any other time, then how is it even a bad thing? Am I also a kroger addict if I usually get my groceries from there?
Let me guess. I'm also an alcoholic because I sometimes have a beer with dinner and because I'm not binge drinking in a club or a bar, but instead enjoying a beer with dinner at home alone that's addiction.
>>24627646
you may not realize it through your prism of misery
but this place is entertaining as fuck
>>24627728
Your brain has already associated sexual pleasure and porn. I guarantee that you won't be able to last 2 weeks with only your hand or a woman.You've already shown some of the symptoms already.
>>24627728
You're 26 and fapped daily to porn? I have a feeling I know what an MRI of your brain would look like.
>>24627468
Getting off porn has made sexual pleasure feel MUCH better for me. Like, anime ahegao face better. That was the best thing I did for my dick.
>I never watch the same video twice.
Yup, that's the epitome of porn addiction. You NEED to cycle because the entire addiction is rapidly fapping to different women getting fucked.
>It's more difficult to orgasm when I don't watch porn
That's because you're not feedng an addiction.
>>24626700
My gosh
So anti-porn guys. Is fapping to anything that arouses contribute to porn addiction or does it have to be pornography. Otherwise fapping with imagination would have the same effect right?
