Why the fuck are people voting for Bernie? Holy shit liberals are so soft minded.
>>24485141
If you need the bux gotta vote for kuks
everyone else is worse
>>24485141
Nobody's voting for him though. He can't even lead his own party's polls.
>>24485141
Lel, I'm not voting, just shilling so you people sweat all the harder
>>24485172
This. I could finally become part of the NEET master race and say goodbye to life as a wagekek.
>>24485141
Because all the Republicans are fucking Nazis and Hillary is a corporate shill.
Neetbux paid for by the rich Jews
i am never, ever going to vote republican because i am poor and the right wing has this neurotic hate and disdain for us so fuck them. no right winger is ever going to help me get out of the hole i'm in
They don't understand economics or political issues. Trump is nowhere near my first choice but he's better than Sanders. They also believe Bernie can actually make things free by taxing the rich and shrinking the military. Even if he cut the military substantially and rose taxes astronomically we still couldn't afford his plan.
If I could choose I would pick Gary Johnson (Libertarian) > Rand Paul (R) > Jim Webb (D) Jill Stein (Green Party).
>>24485230
Stop wasting money on shit. Republicans are CONSERVATIVE because they CONSERVE their money.
University students are jumping on the bandwagon of his promises for free shit, but he's just there to make Hillary look good/distract attention away from her scandals. Bernie will never release a budget or tax plan with real numbers because his promises are not fiscally viable.
He will simply lose the primary as is currently forecasted, or drop out of the race and endorse Clinton before then.
Bernie doesn't have a chance in hell of winning. Anyone who says anything different is delusional. Bernie is the Ron Paul of 2016
>>24485141
because fuck obamatrade
>>24485300
>conserve money
Oh great, that money'll be real useful, sitting there doing nothing
>>24485230
The War on Poverty hasn't done shit. We haven't moved anywhere with those fucking programs since we started them. In fact, they've ate up more and more of the budget and they just keeping growing each year. Also, take a good look at what caused you to be poor. It was most likely irresponsible decisions or your shit head parents.
I swear my number 1 pet peeve is having kids when you shouldn't have them. Sorry this was just something I wanted to type out. Not directed at you.
the neetbux jew is confirmed pres
get used to it wagekeks
>>24485172
>>24485212
a vote for bernie is a vote for a lifetime of neetbux
>>24485461
poor people on BUX like welfare queens should be sterilized if they want to continue to receive bux. or pay them 20grand to get voluntarily sterilized.
>>24485454
Well dipshit if you're fucking poor spending that money frivolously ain't doing cuntjuice
>>24485560
well its either the bux or a shit min wage job that gets you just about the same distance as the bux does..
>>24485619
shh
your wagemasters don't want the word getting out
>>24485230
and the liberals will keep throwing you pennys to keep you in that dependent hole
>>24485297
>doesn't understand economics
>is a libertarian
>doesn't even understand the basic principles of Sander's policies
>>24485619
At least you can improve yourself and get more money if you keep working.
I highly suggest reading Carnegies Gospel of Wealth. Then you'll understand
>>24485676
gibs me dat tbqh
>>24485685
>can either stay home and be not as stressed out and get bux
>or have to get myself up every single day to bust my back working some bumfuck outdoor labor job and barely break even, not banking any money at all and having nothing left but bitterness and hate
hmmm
>>24485676
>>doesn't even understand the basic principles of Sander's policies
so you think 'tax rich people more so i can give free shit to my voting base' isn't a basic principle?
>>24485676
>tax the rich a super uber amount
>further regulation in multiple fields
>raise minimum wage
>raise taxes even more
>give everything away for "free"
I don't really pay attention to him because he's kind of a fucking moron.
>>24485739
b-but if you work really really hard you too could be a millionaire one day :^)
>>24485685
>you can improve yourself and get more money if you keep working.
Indominus kek
Just keep working and maybe one day you'll be able to enjoy your life once it's almost over
>>24485739
>you can still get nix while on a low paying job
>you can get better jobs later and even more money
>just do it
>>24485796
For what it's worth, I went from minimum wage to twenty five an hour in just about a year
>>24485775
>stop taxing me! How am I supposed to live on 600,000 instead of 1.2m???
A soft mind can't understand opposing viewpoints.
>>24485889
>i squandered a year of my life struggling to get above minimum wage
>i think this reflects well on the current system
#stockholmsyndrome
>>24485970
if you attack the rich you are literally a nazi
>>24485141
I think it's a tough choice this time, senpaitachi. All of them suck really bad, with Donald Trump being the worst though, and I rather drop dead than vote for Hilaryand i'm a female
>>24485889
And how much time does the boss man expect you to surrender in exchange? 40 hours? 50? More? I'm sure there's nothing more fulfilling you could be doing with that time.
>>24485988
If that's how you feel. What will happen to you NEETs when us workers stop working? There's only so many bux to go around you know. We'll all starve eventually. Either that or a debt war will break out.
>>24486043
Actually I work part time at thirty hours max
>>24485141
People are retarded
Bernie will better my interests and the interests of those around me. I'd vote for at most a Rand Paul of a Kasich(even though he's a retarded fundie) if I were rich, but as I am not, they have nothing to offer me. Trickle down economics don't work, and anyone clearing less than 100K voting republican is a fucking retard
loling at all these so called free thinkers drinking the supply side kool-aid. keep drinking keks im sure eventually the capitalists will let you into their club.
>trump will be president in your life
Thank you God
>>24485970
That's not my argument at all. Bernie wants to hike tax rates so high that the rich will want to leave. The solution to the problem is shrinking the government and taxing everyone a flat rate. I actually believe in equality - I'm sure you do too :^) - and I want the rich, poor, middle class, megarich, etc. to all pay their part. I want that part to be equal.
>>24486065
>What will happen to you NEETs when us workers stop working?
automation is already killing jobs
just look around you at all the machine kiosks replacing workers
only by destroying the current system can we usher in the era of the machine-backed utopia
>"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."
https://www.rt.com/news/318088-robots-wealth-capitalism-hawking/
>>24486144
but lefties dont believe in "that" kind of equality.
Everybody is equal, but some people are more equal than others :^)
>>24486115
You're wrong. Dems want to raise taxes for everyone. I also believe trickle down doesn't work. We need to lower taxes for everyone.
>>24486036
Tits or gtfo
(Your comment was not original)
>>24486170
literally quoting reddit
>>24486144
>flat rare taxes
Ben Carson pls go and take your grain pyramids with you
>>24486191
We need to actually do something with the budget. I'd consider voting right wing if their platform included things like healthcare and less fucking military funding
>mfw sending poor fucks off to get their shit fucked up and keking va funding when they get back
>>24486065
We are on a path headed towards a civil war in this country. The poor vs the rich/police. Economy is headed for another recession by 2017 according to our best economists.
I have no problem taking what I want and killing whoever attempts to get in my way. Cant wait!
>>24486144
A flat rate tax is insanely retarded because the diminishing marginal utility of money
Not even Friedman thought that was a good idea
>>24485141
>IT'S DA LIBURAL BOOGEYMAAAAAAN !!11!11!!!!!!1!
Jesus Christ, sick of this obnoxious shit. Focus on the issues, not the over represented tumblr blowhards.
>>24486251
literally
C L A S S C U C K
>>24485141
Hillary will win anyway, you all know it to be true.
>>24486265
don't wait; start training now
>>24486253
>Ben Carson pls go and take your grain pyramids with you
Nice counterargument bro. Low, equal tax rates across the board is literally the best option.
>We need to actually do something with the budget. I'd consider voting right wing if their platform included things like healthcare and less fucking military funding
I believe we need to cut military funding and end universal healthcare. Private health care is not only better, it's more cost efficient for the person who is not a leech.
>>24486189
I don't think anyone actually believes in a flat rate tax because it's retarded
>>24486326
Get this: people actually do
That's what's so insane about all this
>>24485141
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/22/america_has_never_recovered_from_ronald_reagan_thats_why_bernie_sanders_is_so_important/
>ITT people who only know tip of the iceberg tier economics they learned in HS try to argue against each other
>>24485141
I'm a liberal because I care about my fellow man :)
>>24486368
Liberal here. Please don't link Salon. Thank you.
>global warming caused the paris attacks
The fire rises comrade.
Is Bernie a National Socialist?
>>24485141
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/when-america-was-great-taxes-were-high-unions-were-strong-and-government-was-big/407284/
>>24486368
Salon is leftist site that can barely comprehend basic centre-right idea. They're literally all retarded lefties with a boner for Socialism.
>>24486326
>>24486338
Why is it retarded? I need good counterarguments. Ad hominems are not good counterarguments by the way.
>>24486317
Do you have anything to back that flat rate tax assertion? Where has this ever been properly implemented? How much more or less income would this generate? What % would be taxed? I can see how you could think this way from a moral perspective, but a flat tax rate is silly on paper.
>private healthcare
>cost effective
If you're able to afford great healthcare. If you want private healthcare, cool. But there should be a universal standard single payer system for all Americans. Our healthcare system is currently a cashcow joke for everyone involved
>>24486380
Welcome to 4chan, my friend. Enjoy your stay.
>>24486400
No. Natsoc actually works whereas his vision of socialism will put us another $18 trillion in debt.
>>24486189
What you are suggesting doesnt and has never worked in the history of economics, thats why.
>>24486424
>A flat rate tax is insanely retarded because of the diminishing marginal utility of money
>>24486170
Well who's gonna repair the machines?
>>24486457
the machines, you fucknut
>>24486317
um, except for the VA, we only have private health care in this country. and we only have private health insurance except for medicare which is means-tested and therefore very not universal.
>>24486265
Good luck friend. I'm gonna be the dumbass who tries to reason and build my own village
>>24486399
>>global warming caused the paris attacks
What happened is that there was years of drought in Syria. This led to millions leaving the rural areas to the cities. They could not find work, and the regime didn't care about helping them. This caused increased instability that was waiting for a spark.
>>24486457
The new people in the tech sector that the job opened up for
>>24485172
we call these the beta bucks, the beta keks
>>24486400
kinda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0
>>24486265
>wants to be a badass looter who kills everyone on sight
>gets heart palpitations from walking up a flight of stairs
>>24486472
Then who's gonna be operating on those machines? Or what about designing even more efficient machines?
>>24486441
nazi germany used a complex money laundering scheme to hide its incredibly high debt and the illegal rearmament
>>24486441
>No. Natsoc actually works whereas his vision of socialism will put us another $18 trillion in debt.
He's going to SAVE us money.
Most of the 18 trillion dollar number comes from expanded Medicare for all money. That looks like a big cost, but it is acually a cost saver. People don't have to pay for their current insurance at all, and instead get single payer subsidized healthcare. This will save individuals several thousand a year.
We are already spending more than 18 trillion on health-care, all Sanders is doing is changing the way it's paid for. And it will be more efficient while also covering everyone.
>>24486549
the machines will become so complex that they will be able to repair themselves and operate autonomously
>>24485141
I'm voting for him in the primary. he my be a cukk, but at least he's male
>people take trump seriously
>>24486502
>no work = slaughtering people becuase their pedophile prophet told them to
>>24486575
But then they'll all just crap out eventually. There will always be a need for human labor. You just gotta look hard enough.
>>24486534
That's pretty based, one thing I hate about American libertarians is their hard-on for open borders.
>>24486585
We're living in a near exact replica of 1930s Germany. Nothing you do can stop it.
>>24486599
It is true that there will always be a need for human labor, it is not true that that amount of human labor will be 40 hours * the number of people able to work.
>>24485783
>image
>implying a libertarian would ever lick a boot
>>24486586
That's an incredibly simple minded way to look at it desu senpai. You should become an FM talkshow host
I hope Trump doesnt win because im latino and I want to live in the USA some day
>>24486628
With the decrease in hours, wages will increase and even out naturally. We just need people to fucking work until we get there. That is why NEETS are the anchors of society
>>24485230
Youre supposed to help yourselfdipshit.
Thats difference between libkuks and conservatives. You think everyone owes you a living and the government should protect you.
Conservatives take responsibility for themselves.
>>24486429
Flat tax rates have been implemented in multiple countries, some have even repealed it. Under that tax policy many have shown excellent economic growth. Now the only problem I see with this is that many countries were taxing quite a bit.
Sorry bud but 2 out of 3 Americans is overweight or obese and I can't comprehend on why that should be on my tax dollars. Universal healthcare is stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for your lifestyle choices.
>>24486492
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/hospitals-by-ownership/
>>24485230
Is this b8?
Comment not original enough
>>24486688
boy does that link not mean what you think it means
>>24486673
Then come here legally Enrique.
>>24485230
We can't have Ron, but we have the next best thing
>>24486326
I actually do, though, because it makes sense and it's fair
>>24486684
>the government should protect you
>the government should protect you
>the government should protect you
you are absolutely right about that, actually. the government owes its constituents
>>24485141
society has become increasingly low testosterone and entitled
He wants a greater good for this country. Republicans are almost like Nazis these days.
>>24486709
what about it makes you think it's bait?
i'm being honest, i really do not believe that the right wing will help anybody but already-well-off people. am i supposed to just be a kuck and go "duuurrrr it might fuck me over but it help duh rich folk who make murica great again"
im not going to kuck myself by voting republican
>>24486712
That link explains ownership of hospitals. Some anon claimed that except for the VA we all have private health care. State run hospitals are not private.
>>24486688
There are plenty of things your tax money goes to that you probably don't want it to go to. But healthcare is actually productive. I'd also like to see if universal healthcare would lower obesity rates by any noticeable amount. And what countries are these?
>>24486721
Makes sense at a very basic level. Wouldn't it be more fair to implement a communist government?
>>24486732
The government doesnt give a shit about you bud. Have fun with your no knock raids and police state.
I don't even care about liberalism but anything that consolidates youths into a stronger voting block than boomers is something I'll support. Liberalism is a necessary evil to keep us from making the same mistake as our gen-x parents.
They are fucked right now because they were an apolitical generation. I won't let my peers fall to the boomer vampire hordes.
>>24486780
Democrats have done a fine job of making their cities safe and desirable utopias where everyone is happy and has a stable job, right?
See: Detroit circa ~1920
>>24486864
instead of moving the goalposts, why don't you explain to me why i, being a white poorfag, should vote for any republican and why it would benefit me and my family.
>>24486796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax#Eastern_Europe
>>24485771
Last time I checked his base wasn't poor people
>>24486904
Dems only care about black poorfags
>>24486904
Because they believe keeping jobs in America so you can work and not be a poorfag
>>24487003
now explain to me why the shitty minimum wage jobs with no regulations, can fire anyone for any reason so you have to kiss ass etc would help me any more than neetbux would
>>24486922
>Eastern "Europe"
>>24486922
>tfw suggesting we model ourselves of Eastern Europe
I'm considering registering to vote for the first time just so that I can vote for Sanders.
How does one go about getting NEETbux?
>>24487003
Says the CEO who just outsourced your entire department so his paycheck is higher for cutting costs.
Not that really matters since he's rich enough to live exclusively off capital gains nowadays.
This and other 2n mendment, red blooded 'murican bullshit is how they get the middle class to vote against their own interests.
Bernie sanders is the only candidate who gives a shit about middle class america and elevating people but watch trump win because nation of retards
>>24487042
why are you looking for an explanation on 4chan instead of looking up your own stuff and voting whoever you want to.
>not realizing that who you vote for does nothing and everyone who you can vote for is for big companies even if they say they arent.
>>24486904
Democrats give you neetbux to keep you dependent on their system and their vote so you don't even have a chance of amounting to anything in life. Republikeks also have a lot to answer for but are the lesser of the two evils for supporting individual liberty. Anyone who votes based on party affiliation shouldn't even be allowed to vote to begin with but that's beside the point. Dems are like the political leaders in communist governments, they reap in all the rewards of being a higher-up with little to no regard whatsoever for anyone else.
Democrats let spics flood in to get more votes and those spics take up all the low level jobs nobody else wants. The issue is those shitty low level jobs give experience for higher positions and since they're all sitting stagnant by the poor undocumented immigrants it just gets harder and harder to actually find work. Dems have the worst and most submissive foreign policy of the two parties. Dem cities have the most crime rates and crumbling infrastructure. Then you have their intentional destruction of the western world through cultural marxism and the sort but I don't feel like going on about that.
>>24485300
They are out of touch and don't understand how much money unemployed and mimimum wage people actually need.
>>24487156
>intentional destruction of the western world
okay, this is where i start to not take you seriously and think you're some tinfoil hat stormfag
is this real or just a big /pol/ maymay? i can't even tell
>>24487167
thinking you can just take money from richer people and give it to poorer people with no repercussion.
>implying they arent backed and supported by these richer people to begin with
>>24487167
You don't need money. Just become a mountain man and take potshots at normies.
>>24487156
>>24487214
different anon here, I don't think it's "intentional" so much as it's just a symptom of an industrial society going into the final phase of it's existence (self-destruction)
>>24487214
Have you ever actually spoken with someone who agrees with cultural marxist ideals, regardless of what they call it? They hate their people. They hat their country. They've been brainwashed into hating everything the west stands for and believing that social justice through killin da crackas is going to finally bring world peace.
http://youtu.be/y3qkf3bajd4
>>24486557
This is true, it would help with debt and save thousands of lives. It's a damn shame that Americans are too brain washed to realise it.
>>24487293
i dont even know the term cultural marxism you're talking to an 18 year old who barely passed high school. but i think that the crazy outlandish sjw/literal communists only represent a very small amount of leftists
>>24487293
>that persecution complex
>>24487293
Is it America? That nigger isn't wearing sunglasses I don't get it.
>>24485230
mate, the Democrat party is seen as the party of the poor. Dont you think they have a stake in keeping you poor so you keep voting for them?
>>24487354
>the crazy outlandish sjw/literal communists only represent a very small amount of leftists
agreed, the rest are just useful idiots.
>>24487042
>>24487148
Ok listen here bux, i managed my own grocery in a small town for ten years. I only ever had to fire one kid who abused a customer. In addition to that, I never cut their pay for my own benefit. I even cut my own pay to give extra money to them. The fuckers still wanted more, even when some employees were earning more than me. I eventually sold the store. Within a few months, all employees were at minimum wage, most quit, and the store folded. You people simply cannot be pleased.
I used to like him until trump came in because he wants to end Citizens United
He's a kek in other regards though
But Trump is amazing because he doesn't give a shit and doesn't take contributions
>>24487416
well if there were more people like you, the world would be a better place. but most business owners are greedy bastards
>>24487440
I won't deny that. But if you all can't put yourselves in another's shoes and understand their job, then you don't deserve your job
>>24487354
Cultural marxists are the puppet masters and the rest of the lefties as >>24487401 said are the useful idiots they use to further their goals. It's a ploy to destroy the west through multiculturalism, political correctness, constricting rights and the establishment of overbearing governmental presence to enforce it. You should watch the video I linked sometime.
>>24485650
Ha I know the guy that made this image
He was showing it to me when I was hammered over messenger and I was like "yo that's mad cool"
Honestly id vote for Rod, image creator extrordinare in 2016
>>24487519
anyone using the term cultural marxist can be safely disregarded as a tin foil hat wearing alex jones fan from pol.
>>24487519
but why? what is the purpose of such a massive, behind-the-scenes cultural warfare operation like that? if its tha jews, why are they doing it? if it's not them, then who is it and why?
that's the type of thing that i think is a conspiracy meme by happeningfags
>>24487568
It started with da joos at Frankfurt but the Soviets actively used it against the US it during the Cold War with lasting effect. Again, see the video I linked. People can claim whatever motives they want, the reality is nobody knows. All they know is that it's a very real thing and it's getting progressively worse.
>>24487519
dude you are hilarious
>>24486036
>Donald Trump being the worst
but he's literally the only candidate actually talking about what's actually happening in this country
the rest are just spouting populist nonsense and promising free shit
how can you be this dense?
>>24487728
no Trump's fucking retarded and he's dragging the entire Republican party down with him
...which is pretty much what they deserve; they've been on this road since 2008 and Trump is pretty much the inevitable conclusion
>>24487354
>I don't know anything
>but here's my opinion
lmfao
>>24487728
trump panders to richfags, bernie panders to poorfags. the haves will never know the struggle of the have not, you know how it is
>>24487758
>no Trump's fucking retarded and he's dragging the entire Republican party down with him
What the fuck are you babbling about?
What Republican candidate is better than Trump? Black doctor? Bush 3.0?
How can you actually have this opinion?
>>24487777
>trump panders to richfags
LMFAO have you even listened to a single word he's ever said?
Trump deliberately and constantly makes the point that he's so rich that he doesn't have to answer to anyone, including other rich people. How the fuck can you think he panders to the rich? He is a rich person, he doesn't have to fucking pander.
>>24487808
right, he's rich and always has been, so he only cares about his own kind
>>24487780
okay grandpa settle down
>>24487833
>right, he's rich and always has been, so he only cares about his own kind
Liberal logic, everyone.
>>24487780
Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio
>>24487842
So you don't actually have an argument or an opinion of any kind, you're just repeating whatever will get you the most likes on facebook.
Pretty smart way to decide the future of our country desu
>>24487849
>quotes my post then uses ad hominem without explaining anything
>republican't logic
>>24487856
>Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio
Except that neither of those people are going to win a primary...
Do you have no idea how politics works? You may as well be supporting your grandmother.
Younger people don't vote in primaries and once the primary season comes on by, you can bet Hillary will pump tons of money on attack ads for Bernie Sanders. If you actually think Bernie Sanders is even going to get the Democratic nomination you're a fool. People would vote for Bernie because he promises them free stuff, and fans the flames of hate the inferior feel towards the superior. It's not yet the time for a Bernie Sanders. Make no mistake, a time will come when a candidate like him will win, it is written in the fabric of Democracy. Once people find out they can vote to take money away from those who have it and to give it to themselves, they will vote to do so. I don't know when it will happen, but it will happen before we die assuming old age.
>>24487758
How is Trump "fucking retarded? for someone so "fucking retarded" he sure does a great job at manipulating the public. Ask yourself, who is winning and has been winning since August? Trump is saving the Republican party. Priort to Trump, what was the main difference in the Republican party and the Democratic party? By making it acceptable to actually differentiate themselves from the left when it comes to social issues like immigration and the racial question, trump is saving the party. Without Trump the Republicans were destined to shift more towards the left as the Overton window slided to the left due to the radicalized youth who will soon grow up to become the next generation of voters.
>>24487856
Go to bed Yeb, it's over.
Also Rubio is an anchor baby lightweight and shouldn't even be running which is why his numbers are tanking.
>>24487898
One of them will be winning the primary
You're out of touch if you think Trump is actually going to win
>>24487856
Jeb Bush is the only one who hasn't been vocally super retarded lately.
That's going to lose him the primary, though.
>>24487879
I don't have to make an argument. You wouldn't listen to a reasonable, well thought out response anyway, because you're living on another planet. I think you're an idiot and it's fun enough to poke you with a stick and watch you respond with something inane and amusing.
>>24487917
>One of them will be winning the primary
This is totally delusional.
>You're out of touch if you think Trump is actually going to win
He's so far head of the other candidates in polling and media coverage that they may as well not exist.
Look, you can pretend that Bush and Rubio are some sort of force majeure, but that's a personal delusion. It does not reflect reality, where politics actually occurs. So good luck with that worldview.
>>24487950
>I don't have to make an argument. You wouldn't listen to a reasonable, well thought out response anyway
Nice excuse, faggot.
>>24487962
Have you followed the previous presidential cycles at all?
Rick Santorum, Rick Parry, and even Newt Gingrich and almost Trump-like numbers at one point before the primary cycle actually started.
If you're so confident Trump is going to win the primary I suggest betting money on it using Vegas
>>24487917
"Trump will never run!"
>runs
"Trump is a democrat plant, he'll never make 10%!"
>makes 10%
"A few crazies doesn't mean much, he'll never make 20%!"
>makes 20%
"R-remember guys, democrat plant!"
>makes 30%
"Haha, d-dem plant guys! G-guys?"
>makes 40%
You don't seem to recognize the pattern here. Everything he says people shout "Trump is DONE! DOOOONE!" and then his ratings shoot through the roof.
>>24487994
>and
= had
>>24488009
No one said trump will never run
He ran last cycle also
I don't know the other parts because I don't browse /pol/ or Reddit. But I was not surprised when Trump was leading the polls
anyway the same reply for the other guy applies here also >>24487994
>>24487910
>By making it acceptable to actually differentiate themselves from the left when it comes to social issues like immigration and the racial question, trump is saving the party.
How the fuck is that ever going to win an election? The candidates are all just pandering to the primary voting demographic (i.e. crazy old white people). That shit isn't going to fly with everyone else. It's just like the tea party candidates losing to democrats in solid red districts; Trump's just too dumb to understand that this is harmful in the long run.
>>24487917
I'm guessing Jeb is going to be Romney 2.0
>>24487962
>He's so far head of the other candidates in polling and media coverage that they may as well not exist.
Someone wasn't paying attention in 2008 or 2012.
>>24487984
I'm giggling at you while waiting for a program to finish running.
Oh look it's done now, time to check the results.
Stay butthurt, fgt.
>>24488061
Except he didn't run. He waited because he knew the magic nigger charm would've completely worn off by now and there was no way he'd win in 2012. This election is different in that everyone knows he's the people's choice and if the establishment jews them and chooses someone like Yeb or Carson shit's hitting the fan. Trump's main strongpoint is being unkekable by the media which the others didn't exactly succeed at.
is trump the american rob ford?
>>24488172
Oh I thought he ran because he was topping the polls back then also and then he publicly announced that he was not running for president
>>24488064
How is being almost completely identical to the Left going to save the Republican party? As much flak as Romney got for the 47 percent comment he was completely right. Most people will vote for their party regardless of who the candidate is. You should know as well as I that the voter turn out rate hovers around 50%. The goal of the Republican party is to inspire those who would never vote in an election to get out and vote Republican. How can the Republicans hope to stir people into action by being a slightly more conservative Democratic party? Trump is doing a good thing by "radicalizing" the right by taking hard line and not pussy stances on things like immigration and creating a cult of personality around himself that inspires others to support him. There are many choices the Republican party can take as to the direction they can go to radicalize. Perhaps one of libertarianism, or nationalism? But to appeal to "moderates" is a plan that has no chance of succeeding as the Overton window, again, shifts further left due to the SJW generation. As the younger grow up, they will inevitably vote left. And the moderates of that generation will simply be the left of today. That left that thoroughly despise the right of today, even though in practice they are not so different. What hope do the Republicans have as the young grow up and demographic deplacement happens? If they refuse to capitalize on the white majority by appealing to white interests, they will be doomed. Minorities ALWAYS vote Democrat. It's suicide by not focusing on immigration (the legalization of 11 million democrat voters) and other such issues.
>>24488172
>This election is different
...yeah, the Republicans are at an even greater demographic disadvantage than in the last two elections, and Trump has permanently alienated entire segments of the voting population that the Republicans needed to win.
>>24486144
literally the dumbest argument ever
nobody is fucking equal boot licker.
>>24488467
>How is being almost completely identical to the Left going to save the Republican party?
You don't win the presidency by being totally out of step with the majority of the population.
>There are many choices the Republican party can take as to the direction they can go to radicalize. Perhaps one of libertarianism, or nationalism?
Sure, there are plenty of amusing ways to flame out and fade away into irrelevance.
>What hope do the Republicans have as the young grow up and demographic deplacement happens?
None, but going full retard just accelerates their demise.
>If they refuse to capitalize on the white majority by appealing to white interests, they will be doomed.
kek, George C. Wallace didn't win either
>>24485141
>Why the fuck are people voting for Bernie?
Lots of reddit keks around
>>24485141
because neetbux
>>24488611
You can't claim to know what the majority of the population wants ideologically. To assume that it is in line with what the left believes is ignorant. You can generalize what certain demographic groups may believe (if you can figure out what they believe will be in their best interest) but you can't know what the people want as a whole, because of the silent majority. Again, most people in America are white. It is politically incorrect to acknowledge that race plays a part in politics but it is the truth. If you are going to bank on catering to a group, it should be a group that nobody else caters to, and that would be whites, one that caters to white interests. No kowtowing to blacks, no amnesty, no more immigration. Make America white again.
This of course assumes that people even vote based off of ideology, which is a contentious claim to make. It is entirely possible that the majority of people simply vote based off of the individual candidate's character, and that the policies of the candidate make no real difference in the long run. If this is the case, it is clear what the Republican party must do and that is to elect a "meme" candidate like Trump. Someone with charisma and someone who people want to get out and vote for, not another stodgy politician.
desu I'm not going to vote. I don't care for any candidates and they all just seem like they are shills for someone else. Even Trump seems like a shill to an extent.
>>24488841
>You can't claim to know what the majority of the population wants ideologically.
Well it sure as shit isn't hurr durr stormfront.
>To assume that it is in line with what the left believes is ignorant.
No, for the most part it's supported by polling.
>If you are going to bank on catering to a group, it should be a group that nobody else caters to, and that would be whites, one that caters to white interests.
kek
>No kowtowing to blacks, no amnesty, no more immigration. Make America white again.
oh god this is hilarious
>>24488868
I don't think that's a productive attitude. Politics does a lot to shape the world. It's important.
I don't exactly disagree with his policies but I don't want to vote for him because he's a foaming at the mouth SJW sack of shit, and every foaming at the mouth SJW sack of shit is lining up to suck his dick. Also hate Hilary and Elizabeth Warren isn't running. Guess it'll be Trump. At least he pisses of Islam apologists.
>>24486144
But the poor literally CANNOT pay the same rate that would be reasonable to the rich.
The poor should be flat out exempt from taxes. Anyone under 60k gross should pay nothing.
60-100 pay 25%
100+ and pay 50%.
>>24488949
Well it doesn't even matter because I live in a blue county so democrats will always win. My vote doesn't matter.
>>24488953
>I don't exactly disagree with his policies
Why not vote based on policy? That's the substance of it, not what you think of his personality or the other people who like him. Those are irrelevant.
>>24488993
Sales taxes are also highly regressive for the same reason. Poor people can't cut their consumption proportionally. Flat taxation is retarded.
>>24488949
Wonderful arguments. You've ignored the following:
>This of course assumes that people even vote based off of ideology, which is a contentious claim to make. It is entirely possible that the majority of people simply vote based off of the individual candidate's character, and that the policies of the candidate make no real difference in the long run. If this is the case, it is clear what the Republican party must do and that is to elect a "meme" candidate like Trump. Someone with charisma and someone who people want to get out and vote for, not another stodgy politician.
As for the rest of what you said
>Well it sure as shit isn't hurr durr stormfront
This is a classic strawman. We've discovered that you cannot claim to know what the majority of the population wants, because it is too large and too diverse in nature. We then went on to say that we could instead try to surmise the interests of the parts of the whole, that is, a particular demographic of the whole. The biggest demographic of this whole is the racial demographic of whites. Nowhere did I say we would be killing Jews or that sort of thing. We would be acting in the interests of whites on the whole, that is, to preserve the white majority and to stop bestowing special privileges to minorities.
>kek
Not even an argument.
>Oh god this is hilarious
Not an argument.
>>24488993
People who already take home $100,000 after income taxes already pay 29% in my state tho
>>24489165
Ah I forgot.
>No, for the most part it's supported by polling.
What is supported by polling? And how does a poll, a representative of what a slice of people believe, go on to tell what the majority believe? What of survey bias?
>>24489001
where are you, anon?
originaloriginaloriginaloriginaloriginaloriginaloriginaloriginal
>>24489165
>We've discovered that you cannot claim to know what the majority of the population wants, because it is too large and too diverse in nature.
That's what opinion polls are for.
Dude, Wallace lost, Thurmond lost. Southern strategy and dog whistle politics only work when they're subtle. Going full white supremacist was already a non starter 50 years ago.
>We would be acting in the interests of whites on the whole, that is, to preserve the white majority and to stop bestowing special privileges to minorities.
Why on earth do you think a significant number of white people would agree with that?
>Not even an argument.
No, it's me laughing at you.
>>24489222
Do you not understand how polls work? You might want to read up on statistics.
>>24485141
>Like Bernie's economic platform, mostly nationalized healthcare but the rest of it is ok too. Current system isn't working for average American or poor robot like me.
>Like Bernie's stance on NSA, government in general, taking money out of elections, etc.
BUT HE'S A FUCKING CUKKBOI.
>Obsessed with BLM, illegal mexicans, muh wage gap bullshit, feminism, "refugees" welcome, etc.
Fuck that.
>Agree with Trump on his strong pro-white, pro-American values, anti-refugee and anti-immigration stances.
>I'm not even religious but I like that he is a supporter of America being a Christian nation. Feels right to me.
Does this combination of views make me a national socialist? Lel. Also yes I realize I am retarded.
>>24489360
It's in Wisconsin.
>>24489377
You've ignored the following:
>This of course assumes that people even vote based off of ideology, which is a contentious claim to make. It is entirely possible that the majority of people simply vote based off of the individual candidate's character, and that the policies of the candidate make no real difference in the long run. If this is the case, it is clear what the Republican party must do and that is to elect a "meme" candidate like Trump. Someone with charisma and someone who people want to get out and vote for, not another stodgy politician.
>Opinion polls are for
See below...
>Wallace, Thurmond
We are talking about the Republican party. As I've said before, people will inevitably vote for whomever they usually vote for Republican or Democrat. There is no reason to believe that if these men's values were transplanted in some form unto the Republican party, that the Republicans would not be better off for it.
>Subtle
There is no reason at all for being subtle when you are the majority and do not have to appeal to another minority to become a majority. Again, to say that acting in the interest of a completely unrepresented demographic is "white supremacist" is foolish.
>Why on earth do you think a significant number of white people would agree with that?
Why would the majority not vote to keep themselves in the majority? It is simple, all that needs to be done is to communicate to white people that the moment they lose their majority status, they will be put in a disadvantageous position. People will always vote in their best interests, or what they believe to be in any case.
>>24489377
Opinion polls are always going to subject to a form of survey bias, you are a fool if you think a poll is sufficient to measure the beliefs of EVERYONE in a 300 million something person nation. Particularly when no information is given on those polled. It is incredibly easy to concoct a deceptive poll and deceptive results for political purposes.
>>24489878
>There is no reason to believe that if these men's values were transplanted in some form unto the Republican party, that the Republicans would not be better off for it.
Are you not aware that republicans and democrats effectively switched places during the civil rights era?
>There is no reason at all for being subtle when you are the majority and do not have to appeal to another minority to become a majority. Again, to say that acting in the interest of a completely unrepresented demographic is "white supremacist" is foolish.
Again, kek. You don't have to point out again that I'm not making an argument. I'm explicitly telling you that I'm literally laughing.
>Why would the majority not vote to keep themselves in the majority?
Because that's generally not how people view the world outside of your internet hugbox.
>you are a fool if you think a poll is sufficient to measure the beliefs of EVERYONE in a 300 million something person nation.
Again, read about statistics, confidence intervals, etc. That's exactly what polls are for. Asking every last person is redundant when you can already make a very good estimate by asking 1000 or so.
>It is incredibly easy to concoct a deceptive poll and deceptive results for political purposes.
That's not the point. Polling organizations want to actually find what people believe. If the results are biased, they fucked up and won't be considered reliable.
>>24489081
>Why not vote based on policy?
SJW politics is highly dangerous. It's tribal in-group emotion-based logic. I want someone who will support good policy based on evidence. That is not Bernie Sanders.
In fact, I take it back. I don't know that I agree with his policies. I know he favors more European style social programs, which I'm for. But he shouted that 78 cents line and I don't actually know what he proposes to do about it. Equal pay is the law already. You can only make further "progress" through legislation at this point through explicitly inegalitarian handouts.
>>24490201
>It's tribal in-group emotion-based logic.
You probably should stop participating in the retarded end of the internet. Join the real world.
>>24490256
What's this "real world"? It's people I know in person or who are friends of people I know in person who are screaming at me for disagreeing with SJW politics.
>>24485141
>tfw sanders is the only candidate who believes Net neutrality
>>24485141
Largely for his economoc policies, to be honest. I don't give two keks about the social justice side of things but Bernie
>demonstrates an understanding of cause and effect
>is sensible with budgeting
>plans to introduce a tax on high volume trading that will take perhaps 1% of their profits and funnel it into community infrastructure like schools and roads
All the construction workers I know are rooting for him. He polls at 75+% online against Hilary, which is staggering when you compare it to the deliberately misleading media coverage (they don't count our votes when reporting on polls).
If Trump lands the Republican nomination, I'll be buying a gun. Trump feeds off of exacerbating civil unrest. Bernie's public talks were interrupted by protestors multiple times; in response he hired them. He knows how to play the field and get people working together. Trump is a bag of hot air with a shitty haircut.
>>24490706
He doesn't even know what the fucking internet is. He is literally some old cunt saying what 'the hip young peoples' want to hear so he can cross "Become President" off his bucket list.
Does anyone actually expect Sanders to survive a year in office? The man is practically senile.
>>24490865
>online
don't get too excited; online polls aren't reliable
>Trump is a bag of hot air with a shitty haircut.
he'll blow his load sooner or later, and it will be on to the next unelectable windbag
>>24490898
Hes been against before even running
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPPipSJ4tGY
desu what's the point of having a president who wants to take away net neutrality and add censorship to the internet.
>>24489566
Pretty much makes you natsoc, yes. Time to choose between economics policies that likely won't really affect you or social policies that likely won't really affect you.
All I'm hoping for is Trump actually does something with infrastructure.
>>24490865
>Bernie's public talks were interrupted by protestors multiple times; in response he hired them.
Uh, you know it's a bad idea to incentivise that sort of behaviour, right?
>>24490937
I'm praying for a Sanders-Clinton ticket, but it'll probably wind up being a Clinton-Sanders ticket. Feels bad, man. I don't want to vote for Hilary but the GOP lineup is a list of knockoff cartoon villains.
>tfw Hilary is also a cartoonish villain
The Dems are in schism over this. It's an internal battle for the soul of the party, as my mother puts it. Unlike the GOP, we have our conflicts quietly and stay out of the news. It may not look like anything's happening on the surface but it's pretty bad.
>>24490986
Every legitimate protest movement in the country is cooperating under one banner right now. There's no one left to interrupt him except radicals that literally no one takes seriously.
>>24487777
Didn't trump literally advocate for higher taxation of the rich?
Nice quads btw
>>24490121
>believing the "republicans and democrats switched places" meme
>>24490201
>You can only make further "progress" through legislation at this point through explicitly inegalitarian handouts.
yes, they're inegalitarian
do you have a problem with that?
the evidence indicates that naive egalitarianism does not correlate with economically efficient outcomes
believe in laissez-faire trickle-down crap or believe in keynesian consumption boosting crap but if you genuinely want "good policy based on evidence" and you still use "inegalitarian" as a derogation, you must have some extraordinarily unique views on economic theory
or more likely you have no view on economic theory and you instinctively recoil against people that make you feel bad, like a goddamn animal
>>24491038
>The Dems are in schism over this.
meh, wouldn't worry about it too much
I think most people will be willing to settle for Hillary, even if they'd prefer Sanders.
>>24485141
>wants to dismantle the PATRIOT act
>wants to legalize marijuana
this is sufficient to win my vote
>>24487780
Rand Paul.
>>24485141
Because it's either him or fucking Hilary Clinton, for starters
>>24485141
He is the president American deserves and needs
>>24491285
This too
>Also wants to dismantle the privatized prison industry
>also wants to make billionaire financier cunts pay a dollar or two in taxes
What this thread needs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPh-1bsye-0
I posted this in the other thread, but might as well repost it here.
Bernie is an outspoken critic of H1B visa abuse. H1B visas decrease the pay for American tech workers like me because big tech companies can import cheap labor from India and China instead of paying Americans high salaries.
I make $175,000/year. My Indian colleague who is here on an h1b makes $90,000/year. There are more Indian and Chinese H1Bs on my floor than American citizens.
Imagine if my employer couldn't import over half of their workforce from shitty countries? I'd easily be making $250k+.
Eliminating H1B visa abuse would benefit me more than any "muh taxes" conservative bullshit would.
I'm voting for Bernie.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2916827/it-outsourcing/bernie-sanders-h-1b-skeptic.html
I just want the pot. I don't give a flying fuck what happens
>hate donald trump
>he is actually the lesser of 3 evils
>fuck this gay country, im out
>>24491771
Yeah and I might actually have a job
>>24491246
What the fuck are you talking about, inefficient economics? This isn't about "muh fair tax" or something. The variable of interest is gender. What is your perceived economic benefit of financial affirmative action for women that is attributable to basing it on gender?
>>24491854
What you dont believe that a robot managed to land a high paying programming job?
Look at total compensation on the right:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-com-Software-Development-Engineer-II-Salaries-E6036_D_KO11,43.htm
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Microsoft-Software-Development-Engineer-II-Salaries-E1651_D_KO10,42.htm
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Facebook-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E40772_D_KO9,26.htm
If you are good at programming you can make a lot of money at a young age.
>>24491771
Sweet. There's even as many French as Americans at my tech job, let alone Indian or Chinese.
>>24491771
What do you do for $175k though? That's high even by SV standards.
>tfw better at programming than most coworkers but can't into office politics
>>24487156
>trying to structure a cohesive argument
>dropping a racial slur
Well at least I can be certain you're a right winger.
>>24492043
I'm in Seattle. I work as a mid-level Software Engineer at one of the companies I linked above. I'm 2.5 years out of college.
If you can pass an interview at Google/Amazon/MSFT/Facebook it's worth doing it for a couple years just for the resume and salary boost.
>>24492104
get over itblox
>>24492134
I was Google for 3 years. I'm under 140k.
But that was long ago, before they even randomly decided to give everyone a 10% raise. Just fuck my shit up.
And I still get to pay CA housing prices instead of Seattle.
>>24492215
140k including RSUs? My number includes RSUs.
Idk man I got lucky or something. I'm not even that smart compared to some of my colleagues.
>>24486170
I, for one, welcome the coming proletariat revolution against agricorp, as well as the following techno-agrarian social revolution.
>>24492245
No, base salary. But my current employer barely has RSUs.
I could get more if I went somewhere else and they matched base salary.
My approach is not generally appreciated in industry though. Accumulation of technical debt is rewarded. Paying it down is not.
>>24492350
>Accumulation of technical debt is rewarded. Paying it down is not.
Truth
>>24491922
What? I believe you. I'm just saying that I would also have a job. I'm decent at dev with a good pedigree but I still never got anything
lol@ voting meme
>>24486502
My brain hurts now
>>24486732
The most terrifying words somebody can say are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"
>>24492705
Is that robert fisk?
>>24492868
he wants to build a better government than our current one. I guess he's just a high-stakes kinda guy.
>>24486399
why is this picture making me laugh so hard
>>24485141
wrong board, chad
back to >>>/pol/
>>24489222
Are you a fucking retard? Most of what the liberals are for aligns with the average Americans wants. Do polls no longer count to you? Are you really this fucking dumb?
>>24492705
He was repeating the position of the CIA and Department of Defense, but keep on memeing memelord.
>Sanders' summary of the position of the CIA and Department of Defense was accurate. They have been warning for years that extreme weather caused by climate change is likely to worsen instability around the world and cause security problems.
>As we wrote in January, the Department of Defense referred to climate change as a "threat multiplier" - because it has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today - from infectious disease to terrorism. We are already beginning to see some of these impacts." Those threats are outlined in a report titled "2014 Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap."
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/sanders-on-climate-link-to-terrorism/
>>24492334
it's coming comrade
>>24485141
Im not American, but I vote communist simply because I wish to accelerate the decline of my country the most. The west is beyond saving
>>24486684
Why even have a government in that case?
As a german I dont understand why you are NOT voting for him. We have everything bernie sanders wants and I would rather live in Germany than in a shithole called USA
>>24485650
>Bernie sanders
>not a lyings faggot
>>24495942
Funny, when i search for that quote online I get nothing. It's almost like Bernie never said it and this is just propaganda.
