Explain why religion is good without Fedora memes
Also don't give me none of this
>YOU'RE JUST A LEFTIST THAT HATES CHRISTIANITY BUT LOVES TOWLHEADS AND THE ZIONIST THAT CONTROL MY LIFE AND ME FAT
I'm talking ALL religions. I'm not defending fuckin Judaism and Islam.
>>24385035
all religions but christianity is bad
christianity is good because you go heaven and get the grace of god
>>24385356
That's literally what every religion says with their own.
>>24385035
teaches hope/faith in times of darkness for one thing.
beats defeatist depressing bullshit like here, on r9k.
>inb4 hur dur its just delusional thinking
so is thinking everything is shit
>>24385388
except they are all wrong and I'm right
>>24385035
religion is not good. it's just superstition. call me a fedora, i will forget about it in 10 seconds, but I'll be right for all of eternity.
>>24385035
God shall come to reap the sinners.
>>24385602
amen brother of christ
>>24385035
>Explain why religion is good without Fedora memes
W-what? I remember when 4chan hated on religion and had a clear atheist point of view. Now it's the other way around?
This isn't the 4chan i grew to love
Thread downvoted (saged) desu
t. reddit/r/bestof4chan
>>24385035
When religion is used as politics it's fucked up. But I don't have any qualms with it as a personal belief, or a way of connecting with other people and giving your life meaning. I think humans have a pretty deep need to calm their existential fears and believe that life is worth it, so it's no surprise to me that religion is so prevalent.
>>24385035
By nature people are sadistic and sociopathic, but if you can brainwash them into thinking they will be punished for bad deeds they won't do them as much, simply out of fear/self interest. Christianity is probably the best of the current popular religions imo but I'd rather see a new better one created, or just see Christianity changed to take out the pointless and weird shit.
Read Plotinus.
>>24385388
Christianity is the most valid.
>>24385668
Lies aren't needed to accomplish that.
>>24386143
Christianity is absolutely true.
>>24385035
It's good because it helps you idenitfy people who are easier to manipulate. The more gullible, the better.
>>24385035
If we speak scientifically, it is impossible to determine whether or not many of the base constructs of religion. Base constructs meaning just the existence of a non-corporeal being, etc. Nothing about it making the universe, or being inherently good.
As to why it is good, statistically religious people are happier. Most religions don't go round murdering, and it doesn't do much harm anyway.
It helps to control the ignorant masses, who would be ignorant anyways without religion.
>>24386643
Forgot the word exist in that first sentence, whoops.
>>24386643
>If we speak scientifically
Except science is wrong
>It helps to control the ignorant masses, who would be ignorant anyways without religion.
Wrong.
>>24386700
Science is a train of thought based on observational analysis.
It does not conflict with most christian denominations, except for the evangelicals, who are incredibly hypocritical and terrible self-centered people.
Also, most people are really, really stupid. And I mean this in the nicest way possible.
It has nothing to do with religion, choosing only religion just offers an easy way out for those incapable of learning how the natural and spiritual interact.
>>24385035
Religion keeps people in line, guides people in how to act, and gives weak people something to live for.
>>24386802
>Science is a train of thought based on observational analysis.
Which is inherently wrong to do.
>>24386840
It also includes caveats for the instability, unpredictability, malleability, and general unknowability of reality.
So it counters for the fact that reality is probably not real.
>>24386875
No it doesn't, it falls apart under any of those circumstances.
>>24386907
Applied quantum theory.
>>24386926
Falls apart. Science is a joke.
>>24386934
I realized I haven't asked how it falls apart, care to entertain me?
>>24386840
Then why don't you stop typing on that computer that was constructed on a foundation of wrongness.
Religion brings inner fulfillment and a desire to make the world better for everyone. There's also a sort of kinship between religious folks that can't be replicated
>>24386963
Read the Idealists. Or even better, stop being a mindless empiricist.
>>24386964
What a poor argument. Could you please leave this discussion to big boys?
>>24385035
Depends on the person, but on average, it leads to someone thinking more positively about life and themselves, and good things naturally happen to such people. There are also health advantages to thinking positively. You are a better off mentally and physically.
Not that you need religion to achieve that. But you need something, or else you're r9k till the grave.
>>24387008
Thank you for the recommendation, even though it probably wont change me, as logic is what I hang onto to stay sane, it sounds like it is worth a read.
>>24387008
>I can't explain myself, so I'm going to tell you to look elsewhere. This way, if you fail at doing my research for me, I can say you're just too stupid to understand.
>I've been called out as a hypocrite. Better resort to ad hominem.
>>24387082
>as logic is what I hang onto to stay sane,
Science isn't remotely logical.
Idealism isn't a book.
>>24387099
Fallacy.
>>24387118
The way you it was typed read like a book title, I do apologize, I'm rather tired.
Religion was what built the state. States built laws. Laws provided the structure and security to a practice the arts and sciences. The arts and sciences help provide meaning and comfort to our frantic little lives.
Like it or not religion is inherent in humans. Even if we discard our old customs they'll just be replaced with novel new ones that fill the vacuum the old ones left.
>>24385035
It's good for promoting moral behaviors among unintelligent people, who would behave in ways that are not beneficial to society otherwise.
>>24387118
>Science isn't remotely logical.
Is that so? Then what are the grand methods we should use instead to develop technology?
>>24387163
>the state is goo
>>24387192
Science makes infinite assumptions.
Why is technology good?
>>24387166
But slavery is wrong.
>>24387211
What does that have to do with my post?
>>24387210
>Why is technology good?
Why do I need to answer this if you already believe technology is good? And if you don't believe technology is good, why are you using it right now?
>>24387232
Threats to make people work = slavery.
>>24385035
for people living in shithole countries, religions like christianity can provide a sort of moral code that their friends and government won't provide. other than that, it's not really good or bad. unless we're talking islam in the middle east, which just gives brown psychopaths a justification for shooting eachother with RPGs
>>24387248
No, forcing to work people without pay = slavery you moron.
>>24387233
Are you stupid? Do you think before you speak?
>>24387248
It's not to make them "work" but to prevent them from engaging in too many violent behaviors by establishing absolute moral guidelines.
>>24387210
>Why is technology good?
Oh god, you're like those kids who keep inanely asking "why" to anything you say.
>>24385035
>it makes people happy
>it holds society together
If you're logical you can understand that religion is good for people whether it's correct or not.
Sense of community is mint.
Ever been in a huge cathedral during a mass?
Shit's electrifying, this huge mass of people congregating for the one purpose, to pray to someone they all think exist solely based on faith.
>>24387305
Immature name calling isn't a reason.
>>24387340
>kids
I'm older than you
>OMG WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING ME!!!!!!!
>>24385035
for buddhism, read up on mindfulness meditation. countless benefits, increases pain tolerance, helps with anxiety, builds more connections that don't have to do with the primal threat detection center in your brain that leads you towards false positives and paranoid thinking.
for christianity, i don't know. i believe i have lived a self-centered, cowardly, weak life of a man who refuses to defend himself for so long, that i find it easier to fabricate reasons as to why i'm not putting in the effort. to put it simply, i have become womanly, subversive, i let out my inner jew, not a person but a collection of ideas, nonstop constant discourse, a shadow of a man ready to lie down and die. i have had several encounters with some secrets of alchemy and i have found the truth: i turned into a giant fucking pussy and its all my fault.
this short narrative i have outlined i believe you will be familiar with. christ descended into the bowels of hell after he first died.
>people don't recognize the "empiricist drivel" troll
>>24387377
>like those kids
Learn reading comprehension.
>>24385035
Keeps people in line. Plus it adds meaning to life. Whenever I think about the future of my life I always think why bother. If I could bring myself to believe in religion then I probably wouldn't be as depressed.
>>24387414
Why do you desire meaning? Have you ever thought that you should step back when something doesn't make sense?
>in shitty public speaking class today
>girl gives persuasive speech on why Christianity is good
>mentions something about scientists finding some religious thing in atoms and something shaped like a cross
>"God is the glue that holds us all together!"
>>24387414
Religion was very useful back then but now everything it did can be replaced by something else, you can find happiness without religion.
>>24387397
>anything i dont like is trole
>>24387452
Wrong, happiness only exists with absolute truth.
>>24387449
Both of you are subhuman.
>>24387396
also you don't have to interpret god's punishment literally as a bearded sky man shooting curses at you from the sky for jerking off constantly to pornography. take into account death grips and premature ejaculation and the inability to talk to women without going into pure flight or fight mode. i feel pretty damn smote some times.
that and old testament god is more of a fan of flushing entire civilizations. tell me you aren't worried about global warming.
>>24387484
And where can "absolute truth" be found?
>>24387396
What's a good book to get into Buddhism?
>>24385661
yes, thats because lately good christian values are under attack. We are witnessing what happens when a society gives up on the moral values religion has. No one is friendly to their neighbors, more and more people are turning into faggots, men cut their dicks off, women sleep with 100 guys before the age of 25, single mothers are praised and family values are gone. Why should we advocate for the destruction of society as we now it?
>>24387516
Through an absolute being.
>>24387553
And how is somebody suppose to find that?
>>24387484
>Wrong, happiness only exists with absolute truth.
[Citation Needed]
>>24387452
You are talking to a robot. The only thing that would make me happy is getting a girlfriend and even I know that wouldn't keep me happy for long.
>>24387440
Without meaning there is nothing. Its not about things making sense. Its about purpose. If I could believe in religion it would give purpose to my life.
>>24387647
Well there's clearly something, so there must be meaning.
Ever wondered why there is rarely any Arab porn?
/thread
>>24387527
Awakening the Buddhist Heart by Lama Surya Das
Siddhartha by (?) Herman Hesse, maybe Steppenwolfe, is an alright introduction
I also really enjoy a lot of audio lectures by Alan Watts
to be honest family, this whole atheism meme with fedora-tipping, trench coat-wearing dweebs really bothers me as an atheist. Why would anyone believe there's some wizard that controls everything?
>>24387577
When he grew up his mommy told him there was an absolute being, and his mommy wouldn't lie to him you fucking faggots.
>>24387799
Nice fallacy.
>>24387527
if you're just looking for one though the first one is the best crash course
>>24387693
But porn is good, the world would be a better place with more arab beauties getting railed on camera
>>24387829
Nice job dodging the question and only addressing the reply to the question.
>>24387693
>there is rarely any arab porn
that's like triple haram dude. graven image, pre-marital sex. also why would an arab jerk off to arab porn? you're literally masturbating to proof that your religion doesn't work. total boner kill. that's why osama had a big stash of white women porn.
>>24385035
1h32s
Watch the whole thing if you care to, it's good.
>>24388297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg&feature=youtu.be&t=1h30s
Forgot the link, here you go.
>>24385035
Good and bad are quite the arbitrary notions though...
Anyway, I'd say that as long as it can give some people a reason to live and contain others, it ain't that bad... Not talking about extremism and assholes.
In the end, the problem ain't religion, it's the assholes who think that they have to shove their religion to everyone's face.
Sometimes believing in a magical being up in the sky will help you power through some shit in life. Someone to talk to. Also, praying acts kind of like a placebo.
Muslims call modern day Christians "crusaders" after 900 for the same reason people shit themselves over the confederate flag. Because Christianity is the same goddamn group as it was when the Crusades happened and no amount of backpedaling, hypocritical, self-congratulatory bullshit about how you are kind (or are) homosexual and wouldn't personally protest outside of abortion clinics yourself, doesn't change the fact that people wildly misconstrue the bible to suit their own fucked up agenda and the church NEVER calls those people specifically out on their shit.
The answer isn't secularism within each denomination, or peace between all three major religions, it's to stop painting religion in general as, at best, "As good as it is bad, sometimes, let's just focus on the good because it helps me stay on good terms with my friends and family."
>>24388645
after almost 900 years*
>>24388645
It's about a building a psychic foundation for happiness in your life that doesn't revolve around debauchery, subterfuge and precisely the selfish back-stabbing behavior that has torn communities apart since the dawn of man.
as well, you can have faith and still despise the establishment. i believe in god, but at the same time i believe the whole sunday ritual of putting on your nicest clothes, driving to work, thumbing through the holy book, listening to some guy who spent all week developing his interpretation, it DEFILES the very concept of the Sabbath as a holy day of rest. maybe i'm talking out of my ass and it's all explained in the bible, i don't know. i'm also a lazy introverted basement dweller so i might have some bias there.
>>24385602
DEUS VULT brother!
>>24388952
You seem like you have at least given your thoughts some honest effort instead of just meme'ing the thread to death.
I don't see why we should necessarily give up hope that people need belief in a higher spiritual power in order to live harmoniously. Mental wellness requires control over yourself, not surrendering to the unknown. All you have to surrender to is death when it comes.
>>24388952
DEFILES is a strong word. let's call it an aggressive non-interpretation.
>>24388645
> Because Christianity is the same goddamn group as it was when the Crusades happened
Open a history book you dumb fuck.
>>24389133
Wow, of all the predictable, oversimplified blanket knee-jerk tips fedora replies you could have made, this takes the cake, at least for the day.
>>24389037
that i have
one could argue that nihilism is a surrender to the unknown. if you want you can assume that any instinctive patterns are attributed to cognitive biases all day.
on the other hand, charles darwin saw our particular brand of morality, altruism, the noble sacrifice to save the other, as the highest virtue of humanity and indispensable to our nature.
anyways, have a good one
>>24385035
Religion is not some invention imposed by tyrants, it arises naturally among group of hunter gatherers, tribes and peasants and is adopted by the elite who enforce their own versions and stamp out competitors.
What the elite is doing is not using religion as a tool, it is compensating for this element of human nature. The Roman Emperors had to adopt christianity because their followers were fanatical enough to resist intimidation and terror tactics. You see this through history time and time again, some religious upheaval creating endless problems for rulers, either heresy or religious leaders rivaling them in power. Since nearly every ruler was a tyrant in those times this might not actually be a bad thing.
I expect a king would rather his subjects view him as a literal god emperor or divine figure like the Pharaohs once managed, I expect they would rather loot the monasteries and build palaces instead of cathedrals, pagodas, mosques, temples and whatnot, only ever building their own private chapels if ever.
You might argue that it is better if the money was spent on hospitals and easing the burden of the peasants, and you'd be right, good luck trying to create such a utopia. You're not going to have much success though unless you critically analyze history and society, which you are not doing, this "hurr durr dumby religions lol" stuff isn't the way to do it, it is obviously just for your own amusement. Stop pretending to be morally righteous.
>>24389331
Wow you really think people who oppose religion as a whole *haven't* thought any of that through, at least in some capacity? Children can understand this, that a group that promotes piety is as much the sum of it's devouts as it is of it's hypocrites, and the two are often not mutually exclusive.
>Stop pretending to be morally righteous.
Stop acting like anyone did that. You might as well be one of those people that call atheism a religion.
>>24389446
No atheist thinks anything through.
>>24389173
Save your empty reply for someone else. Christianity was a massively different religion in the middle ages. Protestantism didn't even exist, you could be executed for heresy, most Christians were as anti-semetic as /pol/, and of course, the Pope could actually convince Christians to fight to reclaim the Holy Land, the absolute madmen. You may not like Christianity, and that's fair enough, but don't be a moron and pretend that modern Christianity and medieval Christianity are much alike at all.
>>24386143
Most people don't have the time or ability to think through existential crises. Even those who do end up killing themselves sometimes. It's much, much easier to find a lie to truly believe in, and in practical terms it's about the same as believing in the big bang or black holes for the average person.
>>24389776
Existential crises don't have anything to do with beliefs. They are stress from sudden life changes that are resolved when a person gets used to a new routine.
>>24389702
Okay, first off, no shit it's changed. Secondly, if it's subject to change all the time and becomes increasingly secular to fit the political climate, what is the point? Is it really so surprising that some people would interpret this negatively?
>>24385035
It gives people a reason to live.
