Out of the following categories which do you guys value most to least
Truth
Freedom
Happiness
I guess I am pretty basic when it gets right down to it because I hold " happiness" as the greatest good. I think these other things are mostly inconveniencing. When I read Brave New World in high school, all I could think was how great it would be to be born in that society. Similarly when I watched Brazil, the endingwhere he loses his mindseemed like a decisive victory for the protagonist to me.
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Freedom. I always feel horrible when I can't be free to do what I want. I'm not implying that I want to murder by saying that either. It's just if I can't be free then I can't be happy or know the truth. Ironically when given total freedom I spend most of my time in my bedroom but there is freedom in that. Whenever I am in public I feel tied down because I have to follow social rules and I can't be free to act how I want.
>>24300528
Okay, you may not be viewing this question in abstract terms. Are you saying you'd rather take on the discomforts of a free existence than be happy 100% of the time because you are on a steady diet of soma?
>>24300612
I thought you just meant in general. But yes I would rather know the truth and have freedom then be happy all the time. Happiness is meaningless without some sadness to compare it to. It just becomes your natural state and you will eventually feel nothing from it.
>>24300671
I still don't think you get it senpai. You feel happy not "nothing". I am not arguing against your position but you are acting like the repercussions and circumstances of how you experience this unadulterated truth/freedom/happiness matters. The question is only if your personal value system puts "truth" and "freedom" on a higher plane than "happiness". Its a pirely moral question, how the happiness/freedom/truth manifests is of secondary importance
Most: Truth
Middle: Freedom
Least: Happiness
Truth
Freedom
Happiness
In that order. Life is shit.
>>24299984
Truth
Freedom
Happiness
I don't care how awful and uncomfortable it might be, I want to know what's right
Fun fact: truth is far from being the unquestionably top quality.
For instance, falsifiability (not being not even wrong), unambiguity, and consistency are significant contenders for a bigger virtue than truth.
>>24301010
Well I guess with all things equal I still prefer freedom.
>>24299984
Happiness
Freedom
Truth
>>24301144
(That said, it is obviously TFH for me as well.)
>>24299984
It ought to be
Happiness
Freedom
Truth
but it's actually
Truth
Happiness
Freedom
Truth
Happiness
Freedom
happiness without truth is illusory, and freedom without happiness is not worth it
This question depends entirely on whether someone requires freedom or what they perceive to be the truth to be happy.
True freedom is impossible unless you move somewhere nobody will ever care what you do, and that doesn't sound like a good life at all. The truth is something you can only ever have if you're a really good spy or investigative journalist or something, and no matter what, if it is inconvenient to whoever your rulers are they will probably want to kill you.
Happiness, however, can be accomplished by learning to be content with what you have in life. It's best defined as a freedom from desire. Failing that, you know, just do drugs. I feel we are already living in the Brave New World, but the assholes forgot to give us the drugs that make it bearable.
It must be truth, above all. When a man lies, he murders some part of the world.
