I feel like I'm not valued at all. I am completely disposable in the eys of society just look at all the breast cancer shit, when prostate cancer kills more men and if you complain or day ask what's in it for you, you are called a whiny baby, loser, manchild etc this society gives no rewards for shouldering burdens, and expects men to just shut the fuck up and accept a bad deal well no, I wont. insult me all you like, it's not happening. why should I marry a woman who already has children? why should I marry someone who divorced the last man? why should marry a girl who sleeps with literally 20+ men (this is the average here apparently) I am just expected to be miserable so some whore can profit off my back, while a the same time being told I'm useless, not needed, have no value, no authority, nothing. and look what happens? men are doing this in droves and the family unit is all but broken down. we have over 60% divorce rate it's absurd. and the other 40 isn't happy marriages. and when my wife leaves me I have to pay, for the rest of my life. I mean seriously, I'm at the point where I just don't care any more. why give back to society when it doesn't value you? there's a gigantic mental health crisis here, for males. males are killing themselves at a higher rate than trafic accidents. and nobody cares. because they're men. they are expected to just shoulder everything alone and not complain, and why? for nor reward? decades ago you worked 9-5 it sucked, but at least you could come home to a wife who loved you, and you were respected at the head of the house. now your wife works, resents you, your work isn't needed because the state takes care of it honestly just fuck it. fuck families and wives and children. fuck it just let the whole thing burn and you see there's hundreds of thousands of men saying the exact same thing, and... nobody cares. nobody listens. everyone says we're losers, babies, there's no compassion
Just drop out, do your own thing, and remember to turn down the roasties when they come after your bux at 30. You're under no obligation to be involved with a society that doesn't value you, any more than you need to be to secure food and shelter that is.
>>24252921
the truth is even back then in the 1950s unless you were good looking women still resented their "family man" beta provider husbands and it wasn't some utopia lmao
>>24253073
earth is actually hell
>>24252921
> muh epin slut maymay
You need to get out more and stop being such a pussy.
I can't wait to see your hamster rationalize this one away.
>>24253128
>10 years old
M8 tinder didn't even exist then
>>24253128
>non measurable, non-verifiable "statistics"
>>24252990
>to turn down the roasties when they come after your bux at 30.
Why do you think a loser is somehow going to get significant amounts of money after 30? No one is going to promote a loser, he's not going to get into a good career, he's not going to last more than a year at a single job due to office politics. There's no way to win unless you have a good life already.
Wait, most women have slept with 20+ guys? How is that even possible? I can't get one gf but they get 20 Chads? I just don't see how that's realistic.
>>24253261
Uh... what? If we're talking about college age chicks, that's barely 2 guys per year since they became sexually active. Of course they'll get A LOT more dick in college so if you're talking about someone of marriage age (post-college so mid-late twenties) it's going to be more like 30+.
>>24253208
> i-it c-cant be true, i-it d-doesnt agree with m-my biases!
Kill yourself, nigger.
>>24253296
I knew they get a lot but I never actually thought about it like that. Goddamn. I guess there's no point in trying to get married anymore.
>>24253353
How is 3-4 guys per YEAR a lot?
>>24253261
>>24253296
>>24253353
>>24253368
Fuck this worId.
>>24253368
There's no more connection or loyalty or attempts to have an actual lasting relationship. Is sex supposed to be meaningless now?
>casual sex amirite?
>>24253449
>Is sex supposed to be meaningless now?
I don't know, I've never had it.
>>24253449
4-6 months per relationship isn't enough for you? What do you even do for more than 4-6 months in one go? Even a university semester lasts barely that much?
>>24253484
>>24253449
Also you have to take into account that she might have a 6 month relationship then fuck 2-3 guys on the rebound, then have 1 year relationship, then fuck 2-3 guys on serious dates when trying to find the next bf, etc. It's not all the same kind of relationship.
>>24253261
almost all human statistics are Pareto-distributed. It's not a stretch at all to say that the top chads are having 80% of the sex that goes on in the world.
>>24253261
I'm op I come from new zealand apparently the sluttiest country on earth
this is borne out in the stats, and in my anecdotal experience
the women here, it is not uncommon to hear of 50+ partners. and I knew one girl who in all seriousness told me she was pushing 200. now I didn't really believe here because seriously, but her friends told me it was legit, and then my brother was friends with her a few years from then and he said in the time he knew her she had slept with at least 15 men (around 3 months), so I tend to believe her.
>>24253484
>>24253505
Do you seriously get emotionally involved with someone that deep and expect it to end in a few months? What's the fucking point of having a relationship then?
>>24253618
>What's the fucking point of having a relationship then?
Now you're starting to get it!
>>24252921
Now you get it.
Nobody cares about you. Not women, and not even your fellow men. Many of them would slit your throat under the right circumstances. It shouldn't be this way, but it is, and it will never, ever, ever change.
>>24253618
Women get emotionally involved with a purse in a shop window dude.
>>24253601
New Zealand is the sluttiest? Fuck, I just started talking to a qt grill from there. I guess it's all over then.
What's the least sluttiest country? Does anybody know?
>>24253719
Is it the fat camwhore?
>>24253719
probably like japan, or some middle east country like yemen
>>24253699
Why can't I just accept this and stop caring about dumb human shit?
Fucking societal programming.
>>24253737
>>probably like japan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHOHOHOHO UHUUHUH
>>24253746
Most of it just comes from others attempting to shame you, but that's really just society collectively trying to get you to contribute to it so that this farce can continue on. Once you realize that these people are idiots who are just regurgitating lies that they've been force-fed their entire lives, it becomes much easier to ignore.
>>24253737
>japan
HAHAHAHAAH HOLY FUCK
dude Japan has one the highest rates of cheating in the world. Men there have become so dissatisfied with dating that a lot of them have given up on it.
Women there are literally told to find a guy that earns a lot of money and marry him. Western girls are told this too but not in such a blunt manner.
The japanese waifu dream is dead dude.
>>24253719
India, according to this map;_;
>>24253734
No? She's not fat. And not a camwhore.
>>24253787
NONONONONONONO
NO GOD PLEASE NO
>>24253261
I had a shy, socially inept gf that suffered from depression and anxiety.
She, just this year, had three relationships in college. Three different people for a shy, depressed girl.
I know another girl that's both ugly and stupid. She had three boyfriends in a month, could of had four but turned a hit down. She's since had a long string of bfs after that too.
Women live life on literal easy mode. They can make friends and relationships on a whim.
Me? My last gf was a year ago. She was on and off with me for four years and was my only long term relationship. Every girl I've asked out has said no or was already dating some guy. Life is stacked against you mates.
>>24253778
God, no wonder there are a vastly growing number of Herbivore men and why their population is dropping, hopefully when they perfect VR, Japanese men can peacefully walk towards extinction with their waifus
>>24253928
That's not why, it's because Japanese women don't want them. Men didn't give up, women did, because they can just get money from other sources (selling themselves to rich Chadamotos from a young age for purses and fashion accessories even, and later on they get a guaranteed position in society due to feminism), and they can get sex/love from male prostitutes who offer boyfriend experience (basically gay bodybuilders on steroids who dress/act like boy band members). Same shit goes for Singapore, Hong Kong, now China, all Asian capitalist countries - women are incredibly easy to brainwash into consumerism.
>>24253551
>enjoy casual sex without emotions
>a very positive step for sexual/mental health
I don't understand people. That sounds more like a positive step for developing sociopathy.
>>24254026
That's what they mean. You have to be a sociopath to fit into modern society. Otherwise you're going to have shitty sexual/mental health.
Oh you thought those were absolute categories, not relative? Lol.
>ITT:
>women are shit
>society is shit
>Chad gets all the women
>you have to be crazy to like living in this world
>nobody is pure
>but a lot of us can't just walk away from this shit
I'll just sudoku, thank you my family
What about for women? It sucks for women too.
1. Now women can't just stay at home and manage the family unless they marry a well off man who ALSO agrees to her staying at home. Now women are expected both to work full time and bring in a middle-class income AND clean the house AND cook wholesome food AND clean AND raise the kids AND take care of the in laws AND be available for sex AND not get fat AND Always look cute. Doing everything I listed while working full time is impossible. Doing it while staying home or working only once or twice a week would make being a good wife much easier, and happier.
2. 99.9% of men watch porn now days and are not even ashamed. It's considered a natural thing for a man to get off on transvestites and anal instead of it being weird. Now a young woman looking to save sex for marriage is considered a prude. Men now expect women to do gross and painful things like anal, rimjobs, pegging, water sports, etc. And now men are brain washed because porn is pretty much illuminati controlled to make men docile and weak. So men don't have the energy or desire to actually be leaders and men and talk to women, thus destroying the family structure, by destroying the head.
3. Women are constantly bombarded with images telling them they are too fat and disgusting and then images telling them to love themselves
>>24254155
ITT retarded feminist who has no idea what real world and real men (not Chad) are like. You're presenting a ridiculous caricature of men and the world that's not even worth responding to seriously.
Also look at things like tinder. Now good women don't even have value to men. Why take the time to get to know a nice, loving, wife who will love you forever but is saving sex until marriage when you can instead find 10 girls in your vicinity that will screw you within 30 minutes of meeting you?
>>24253328
>it must be true, it agrees with my biases!
see how retarded this line of reasoning is?
get the fuck off the planet, and hurry.
>>24254198
I'm not a feminist. I think that the feminist movement has good intentions but is controlled by things like the illuminati in order to destroy the family structure. I think women should stay home and men should work.
>>24254155
Damn this is good bait but I'll bite
1
literally no man expects this anymore. Most of us now just assume you're useless and can't do any of that shit aside from bringing in 40-60k a year so we do it ourselves.
2.
>Illuminati porn conspiracy
confirmed retard. Women are told to have tons of sex and that its okay to fuck a ton of bad boys and get it all out of your system.
3.
Men are told to lift,lift,lift,lift and if you don't you're useless. Only reason why you have images telling you to love yourselves is because most of you are incapable of bettering yourself and should be content with your overweight body.
There is literally nothing wrong with wanting to improve your body for the sake of being more attractive. Quit being a whiny slut
What is living then? Is living defined by you or by everybody else? What is happiness defined by? Is it defined by whats in your life or by how you live your life? Outside influence or inside?
I've learned nobody cares and if they do they aren't worth your time. If you want something you go fucking get it. Don't take the path of no resistance otherwise its just not worth it in the end. Its not just about the journey its also about the destination. I've always skipped the journey to go right up to the destination yet felt missing. I felt it was worthless and didn't matter that I claimed my prize because there was nobody to share it with nor was there any merit to having it.
Your value comes from yourself. Your value comes from your life experiences and your choices. You don't need others to validate your existence. This is what makes you a man. A man fixes, a man creates, a man does. Nobody fucking tells you you are important but you know damn well without you nothing would work. Be proud of your penis. Stop letting the outside influence you telling you its worthless.
>>24254231
Then fuck off, if you don't contribute to the family you're a part of the problem.
>>24253128
>median number
>>24254155
>3. Women are constantly bombarded with images telling them they are too fat and disgusting
Women don't wear makeup for men. Women wear makeup for other women. Much of the so-called bombardment comes from women in the first place.
>>24254239
>>Men are told to lift,lift,lift,lift and if you don't you're useless.
Funny thing is you can lift lift lift for the rest of your life and you're still not going to look like you're supposed to look as a man because you're not taking steroids and haven't had the surgeries they did.
>>24254231
desu being at home all day is really boring for anyone who isn't a total retard or a turbo autist. even my fucking dog wants to go run around and do stuff during the day.
>>24254345
That's what the poolboy is for silly :)
>>24254239
Because women aren't taught to cook anymore. I wasn't. I have to teach myself. I wasn't even taught to clean. I had to teach myself. Because of a very real conspiracy to make men and women gender equal and unisex slaves who just work work work and don't think and don't question their placid slave lifestyles. Women are taught to sleep around because it contributes to destroying the family structure. I never said women shouldn't sleep around: BOTH men AND women should save sex for marriage.
Furthermore, when I go on sites like buzzfeed or Reddit, women are complimenting all ranges of body types of men, from skinny to chubby. Men only want one body type, and that one body type is Kim Kardashian. Even women like Kate Upton are called fat/ overweight. I work out regularly for the sake of being attractive, but I will never look like a model. I am at a healthy weight for my height, but that's not good enough for men. I have thick thighs and a curved belly and to men, that is considered nauseating and disgusting. So I have to either starve to get a thigh gap and/or get plastic surgery. Just to be considered passable by the majority of men.
>>24254345
Nah I'm home literally all day. For the most part I'm not too bored. I just sit around doing art and shit for money. It's not bad as long as you have a goal.
>>24254371
>>Furthermore, when I go on sites like buzzfeed or Reddit, women are complimenting all ranges of body types of men, from skinny to chubby.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YES THIS IS WHY THERE'S GONEWILD, GONEWILDHAIRY, GONEWILDBBW, GONEWILDAMPUTEE, GONEWILDHEADLESS AND WHATEVER THE FUCK AND EVERYONE IN LADYBONERS IS THE EACT SAME GUY
FUCK YOU
FUC KYOU
PIECE OF SHIT
FUCK OFF
GO AWAY
>>24254371
>The majority of men don't like me!
ALL women don't like me. The projection in this post is so thick I could vomit on your tits.
>>24254255
Then I don't want kids. I am at work 9 hours a day. I commute to and from work 1 hour a day. Who is going to watch the kids those 10 hours? A baby sitter or nanny who doesn't love them? My elderly parents who can't run and chase after them? A daycare which is disease ridden and filled with caregivers that don't give a shit about your kids? A school system that has gender neutral bathrooms so my daughter has to pee in the same room as men? An after school system that pushes my kids to be transgender? Friends who tell them drinking and marijuana is okay even though they are essentially mild lobotomies to make you lose control over your brain? So either only I raise them and stay home, or no children.
>>24254155
>1. Now women can't just stay at home and manage...
Actually the average westerner has never had as much buying power, ease of access to clean housing, running water toilets and bathing, etc. It's never been easier or more affordable for women to stay at home, and the average woman can dedicate her life to things significantly more interesting and engaging than women even 60 years ago. Women simply want to do 'everything', this is a common call of feminists, for women do to able to do everything they like... even though they're usurping the male role, introducing the impossibility of maintaining chastity, robbing children of mothers and emotional safety at home, etc. etc. All driven by women.
>2. 99.9% of men watch porn now days and are not even ashamed...
The mass production and consumption of porn is a biproduct of the sexual revolution that women sought. Women are still able to make voluntary sex or even seeing certain arrangements of pixels on a computer screen something that a female judge can throw a male into a male-only prison for (women can access all higher social institutions, but are protected from equality at the bottom). A bunch of women were able to get a PUA guy kicked out of my country because they disagreed with their views. The men who are victims of pornography are victims because of women. Men are also forced to consume pornography rather than being victimsed by predatory women in the environment women have created.
>3. Women are constantly bombarded...
Women are portrayed as beautiful and sexy to sell products to women. Women have so much power that they could easily stop this in a moment, but women WANT to be sexy, they WANT these images in media because they see themselves wearing the products depicted. Men are not responsible for these depictions, women are. Men are victims of these depictions, living in a culture saturated with female sexuality and celebration of female sexual power.
>>24254371
>
Furthermore, when I go on sites like buzzfeed or Reddit, women are complimenting all ranges of body types of men, from skinny to chubby. Men only want one body type, and that one body type is Kim Kardashian. Even women like Kate Upton are called fat/ overweight. I work out regularly for the sake of being attractive, but I will never look like a model. I am at a healthy weight for my height, but that's not good enough for men. I have thick thighs and a curved belly and to men, that is considered nauseating and disgusting. So I have to either starve to get a thigh gap and/or get plastic surgery. Just to be considered passable by the majority of men.
>literally like 3 belly gf threads on /r9k/ at any given moment
The type of guy most women like have good facial aesthetics, are /fit/ and have clean skin. Nice try though. It's almost like there's a general standard you should work toward or face the consequences. It works for both genders yet women have more leeway.
>>24254419
>Then I don't want kids
Ok? Everyone who has a brain and isn't filthy rich doesn't. What of it?
>>24254266
Men prefer women with makeup on. Look at how those viral images of porn stars who actually looked majority decent without makeup on we're called hideous, disgusting, etc by the majority of men!
>>24254401
Women like stupid shit. They like my looks, they like my job, they like my cat, they like my money, my stuff. When they are interested in me its always about those things. Is shit.
I like a girl for who the fuck she is and the choices she makes.
>>24254419
Well you are a keeper. Whens the first date?
>>24254371
nigger men want kim kardashian
most normal white guys just want shy nerdy girl next door type who likes them back
>>24254431
Wow it's almost like most pornstars have severe addiction problems that grossly affect their skin or something
Christ you're retarded
>>24254431
>>Men prefer women with makeup on.
Of course not, makeup is disgusting and should only be used in the context of loving monogamous sexual roleplay where she's roleplaying a whore.
>>24254448
>>24254463
Most guys want a variety of things. This is the single most "problematic" thing for women... because they can't imagine they're wasting their time trying to look like each other.
>>24254215
Is this pasta?
If you think anyone here can actually have sex with a willing female you're in the wrong place.
I remember this girl said she liked me and would be my gf except that I didn't 'do anything'
I couldn't really understand what she meant. we got along, worked together, had fun, kissed, etc. but she didn't want to be my gf?
and then finally I understood. what she meant was that at the time I had no clear job ambition for the future. we worked in a supermarket together, and instead of liking me for who I was, she refused to go out with me because she thought I wasn't making making, or waasn't going to make, the amount of money that she wanted
I couldn't believe this. I liked her for who she was, and I thought she liked me. but in the end it didn't matter who I was, I simply did not make enough money
from a male perspective, I cannot unnderstand that. I couldn't give two shits how much money a woman makes. it's irrelevant to who she is. but for her, it was the only thing that mattered
OP you mistake is that you've internalised the 'myth of male super agency' that women sell us in order to make us disposable worker drones. Women love to encourage men to sort problems out, to be heroes, to invent new technologies, or to be Alpha males... because these things serve women. They promote the idea that you as an individual male have lots of power or potential for power if you on try. That men have been the shapers of history. Most men believe this because they like to repress an awareness of female power, but women have ALWAYS have more power than men - many early feminists promoted this idea that women were ORIGINALLY the ones in power but that men somehow usurped this power and controlled women for most of recorded history. Once again, this is a form of manipulation - the power that women 'originally' had in 'the matriarchate' is the power that women retained always - the power over sexuality, the power of reproduction, the power to conceal or obscure paternity, the power of inherently superior social access and status. These are REAL forms of power, and the power of women as a collective is generational, while the power of an individual man is incredibly fleeting.
So you've internalised this idea that if you simply complain and petition, that if you point out how you're being unfairly treated and that women are even hurting themselves somehow, that you can shape society. The reality is that women aren't going to give you anything. Stop being a system debugger for gynocentric forces. Simply work for yourself and don't try to beg those in power to give you a few rights, it's pathetic and hopeless.
>>24252921
>28
>male
>not married
>nobody thinks I fear commitment
>Just told "It's not worth it"
Farrell only works if you only know male and female from a 1950s stereotype of men and women which isn't even represented inmedia any more.
Are you that MRA that had a meltdown in the other thread yesterday when a feminist kept showing you up?
>>24254543
Yeah, this is pretty much the reason why my ex left me. She was rich and we could have lived on her parents' free money forever, but no, she had to have a guy with a good career despite never wanting for money in her life.
>>24254567
>This is just a MRA perspective.
Every time you insult someone you create another person who hates feminists.
>>24254345
I want to stay home when I have kids. Not before.
>>24254396
Gone wild is literally all skinny women. Gone wild chubby has like 1% of the views that gone wild does.
>>24254401
ALL men don't like me either because I am interested in understanding and exposing the truth.
>>24254424
I didn't deny that feminism is the cause. But everyone gets all uppity when I associate feminism with the illuminati
>>24254425
Yeah but those belly threads are not the norm
>>24254429
Yeah and now the majority of people have not been raised by parents but instead by daycares and schools. And now they are not able to have families. Women and men have grown up only seeing mom and dad maybe 45 minutes to 1 hour a day. When they do see mom and dad they are too exhausted to parent. Today's adults have grown up under the care of the Internet, tv, indifferent teachers, indifferent daycares, and now they are lewd, weak, not self-sufficient, violent, etc. they weren't raised by parents but by a broken world and in broken homes.
>>24254600
>Gone wild is literally all skinny women. Gone wild chubby has like 1% of the views that gone wild does.
>>24254600
>ALL men don't like me either because I am interested in understanding and exposing the truth.
>1%
>ALL
Fuck off.
>>24254600
>ALL men don't like me either because I am interested in understanding and exposing the truth.
Every had a boyfriend?
>>24254600
>I didn't deny that feminism is the cause. But everyone gets all uppity when I associate feminism with the illuminati
It's absolutely retarded because 'feminism' takes place in various forms all over the world, and has done so since the start of time. Feminism is an expression of women, that's why its ideas resemble the mentality and psychological tricks of women. There's no evidence of an Illuminati, and what does it say about women that they could so easily be manipulated even if this was the case?
>>24252921
everything you say is true but /r/theredpill mgtow is an annoying internet community
>>24254600
Holy fuck all you do is move the goalposts.
Just face the fact that women have it easier from a social perspective except for extremely high and low ends of the spectrum( slave workers and things such as high end CEOs and Presidents).
>>24254631
No, a penis monster is a disgusting creature that only wants sex. I have long accepted that I will never have a real relationship, and I only have sex with fat old men for money.
>>24254645
>Feminism is an expression of women, that's why its ideas resemble the mentality and psychological tricks of women.
Nailed it.
/thread
>>24254669
>Just face the fact that women have it easier from a social perspective except for extremely high and low ends of the spectrum( slave workers and things such as high end CEOs and Presidents).
What are you talking about, anon? Even female slaves in Africa and Ancient Rome were treated significantly better than male slaves.
>>24254669
How do they not have it easier at the high end though? A single word is enough to get promoted out of fear.
>>24252921
You inhabit a niche within your species. Both you and I like most unfit specimens are meant to die without passing on genes but since we're allowed to live for now we might as well game the system and abuse this world for as much as it's worth and damn everyone else. Game the system and deprive everybody of happiness and wealth. It'll be fun, trust me.
>>24253601
OFC nobody is talking about the men who have sex with 20-200+ women to make this possible but okay lol women are whores. epic maymay
>>24254433
Only if you want to get a farm and grow food to prepare for the disasters and military state coming up soon.
>>24254543
Well how are you going to afford marriage and a family when you make only $8/hr? You'll pay the bills with hopes and dreams? Did you truly want to marry her or did you just want to enjoy her for who she was a couple years then break up?
>>24254591
And if that money runs out? What will your kids inherit? Hugs and kisses?
>>24254629
That's a rhetorical statistic.
>>24254631
No
>>24254689
Talking about modern day senpai. Female slaves are treated worse from what I know. Not like that matters though since they're still a fucking slave and may as well be dead given how bleak their existence must be.
>>24254715
>Talking about modern day senpai. Female slaves are treated worse from what I know. Not like that matters though since they're still a fucking slave and may as well be dead given how bleak their existence must be.
Which slaves are you talking about? Give a specific example and I'll show you how females are treated significantly better. This is human nature we're talking about here.
The lowest status you can possibly have is to be a lower class MALE. Being a female means inherently more status.
>>24254693
Work in a high end company sometime and you'll see. Typically most men are workers while women are middle management or some shit because of fear promotions. Men are almost always on the top.
>>24254705
>>And if that money runs out? What will your kids inherit? Hugs and kisses?
I don't understand what you're on about. She had all her life set up for her, from a high paying position where she didn't have to do anything, to political connections etc. That shit never runs out.
I calculated I could live my life for about 60 years on one yearly salary that she had back in college that her dad set her up with btw.
>>24254733
My great aunt was forced into an abusive child marriage when she was 8 years old
>>24254594
It actually is. Only MRAs obsess over the same exact talking points, using the same statistics that fall flat when questioned, then deny being an MRA because you already know your reputation.
>>24254768
>your
Uh huh.
>Men are 97% of combat fatalities.
>Men pay 97% of Alimony
>Men make 94% of work suicides.
>Men make up 93% of work fatalities.
>Men make up 81% of all war deaths.
>Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.
>80% of all suicides are men.
>77% of homicide victims are men.
>89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.
>Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women.
>Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.
>Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.
>Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.
>Males are discriminated against in school and University.
>Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
>60-80% of the homeless are men.
>Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
>One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.
>40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
>Male fatality rates are vastly higher than women's
>Male privilege
>>24254733
Look into the Rwandan slavery or any other kind of modern slavery. Women have less physical work but are usually raped and mutilated which is worse, at least in my opinion. Men are "lucky" enough to just get outright killed by their slavedrivers if they disobey. Some women get lucky and become warlord fucktoys though.
>>24254745
Did he have enough to pay that amount to you and her for life? With a good quality of life on that salary? And what about your kids? Would they inherit a large amount or would the fantasy end with you?
>>24254755
He said modern day, retarded faggot.
>>24254794
Do you really have a hard time understanding what it means to be wealthy and how normal people live?
>>24254802
That was not that long ago
>>24254702
>nobody is talking about the men who have sex with 20-200+ women
we have several chad threads here every day, even though it's completely pointless.
Women control when and with whom sex happens, and also respond extremely well to social pressure. It makes much more sense to focus on them, rather than trying to shame a sociopathic narcissist into relinquishing his harem for the sake of some awkward virgins.
>>24252921
Where the fuck do you feel this imaginary pressure from? Women don't care what robots do, meanwhile even robots loathe women over age 20 for being old and past their use by date for marriage. An older, single man is a cool bachelor who can date young girls. An older, single woman is unwanted and unappealing who looks pathetic if she tries to date young men.
>>24254905
>An older, single man is a cool bachelor who can date young girls
stop perpetuating this myth
>>24254905
>An older, single man is a cool bachelor who can date young girls
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>24254715
men are currently being worked to death somewhere in the world right now, the worst women experience is being a sex slave
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/07/world/la-fg-china-slave-labor-20110908
society will never pay as much attention to labor slavery as they do to sex slavery,
Humans are biologically programmed to care about women, children and alpha males, but not the beta male. We are considered animals by most people, if we try our best to look "normal" we can pass for a beast of burden but if we are unusual in any way then they can't view us as being part of the tribe.
>>24254905
>implying cougars aren't highly valued by younger men for being kinky and experienced
You're either over the age of 45 or socially retarded even by /r9k/'s standards
>>24254953
Not every guy is capable of it, but every guy has the opportunity to be impressive when he's older. Women literally just can't, she can have a great career, lots of money and work out all the time for a great body, but youth in itself is what made her valuable. Her time is up and she will just seem pathetic if she's not married with kids.
Or if you're saying it's not seen as cool- you know damn well that anyone who hates on a guy for sleeping with hot younger girls is a bitter, jealous old woman and every guy laughs at them for that.
>>24255005
This is so laughable I can't even respond anymore.
>women have no attachment to the people they fuck
>they are apparently attached to a bunch of random French people
>>24255077
I'm genuinely interested if you have an argument telling me otherwise. I'm sure your disagreement is just a knee jerk reaction to me implying that women have it hard, because every man loves to gloat about women hitting the wall. This is something I've learned directly from red pilled men, including /r9k/.
>>24255380
It's just sociopathic collectivism, it's perfectly normal in today's world. If you're not like that, well, good luck lol.
>>24255459
I have many arguments, yes, but you're either too stupid, or too malicious for it to be productive to present them to you. You obviously have no empathy and short of personal experience you'll never have, you're unable or unwilling to consider them. Now fuck off.
>>24252921
Holy jesus god. The size of that post gave me a shiver of anxiety down my spine.
>>24254779
MRA confirmed.
In this comment:
>Ignoring that warlords are men, and that both workplace deaths and combat deaths are attributable to roles in which women aren't hired or are outright denied (combat)
>deliberately trying to hide the fact that 91% of custody arrangements were DECIDED WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE FAMILY COURT SYSTEM.
>Deliberately excluding the gender of killers who take men's lives (protip, men)
>Ignoring the context of sentencing, the crimes that men are charged with vs those women are charged with
>Hiding the fact that breast cancer kills younger than prostate cancer, and that female related cancers cover a larger area of the body.
>Redundant assertions such as "Male fatality rates" after making the cause of male deaths.
>Dubious non-statistics.
>>24254848
>rather than trying to shame a sociopathic narcissist into relinquishing his harem for the sake of some awkward virgins.
He is literally the cause. You can't blame women for the fact that wealthy men use their money to pursuade some women for sex, which reduces the market for other men.
>>24254985
>Ignoring the fact that 200m chinese women simply weren't born because of sex-selected abortion. It's better to be worked than not even born.
>>24255483
If you had arguments you'd say them, and I still have no fucking clue what you actually disagree with. Are you a bitter woman who doesn't want to admit the truth, that guys don't want us when we're old? Are you a bitter man, who doesn't want to admit that anything sucks for women at any point in their lives? Are you an optimistic person who thinks older women are pretty cool and shouldn't have any trouble getting laid?
>>24255556
>shouldn't have any trouble getting laid?
Wait, scrap that, it's not really what I was trying to say but I was typing fast. Should be 'any trouble being genuinely wanted', particularly in comparison to their youth.
>>24255483
Yeah, it's the same dude who had a meltdown in another thread, I think. basically, men have to be the victims and questioning that infuriates him.
>>24217137
>>24255547
>both workplace deaths and combat deaths are attributable to roles in which women aren't hired or are outright denied
Because they are bad at them.
>>24255644
It's hard to be good at something when you are socialized from birth to avoid those roles/jobs, that you would be bad at them, and that even your physical strength is unnecessary and inherently incapable of doing that job despite mounting and massive evidence to say otherwise, that women have done these things despite a lifetime of socialization which didn't prepare them for this field.
>>24255547
Your logic is flawless.
>80% of suicide victims are men
>Deliberately omitting the obvious fact that the people committing those suicides are MEN.
>>24255704
>your physical strength is unnecessary and inherently incapable of doing that job despite mounting and massive evidence to say otherwise
Post some of this evidence.
I'm quite sure that biology disagrees with you.
>>24255556
>>If you had arguments you'd say them
Why?
>>24255547
>Ignoring that warlords are men, and that both workplace deaths and combat deaths are attributable to roles in which women aren't hired or are outright denied (combat)
the wage gap will be 100% closed when women are ready to close the grave gap.
>Deliberately excluding the gender of killers who take men's lives (protip, men)
oh because being second class citizens, left to fend themselves and for some, forced into violent crime is another male "privilege", right?
>Hiding the fact that breast cancer kills younger than prostate cancer, and that female related cancers cover a larger area of the body.
i don't recall mentioning either breast cancer or prostate cancer. but please don't tell me you're trying to assert that women die younger than men.
>Ignoring the context of sentencing, the crimes that men are charged with vs those women are charged with
how about the female child rapist who just got convicted but sentenced to zero jail time. think that would ever happen to a man?
>Redundant assertions such as "Male fatality rates" after making the cause of male deaths.
this isn't a valid combination of words in english
>Dubious non-statistics.
which ones, pray tell? i have citations that you will no doubt ignore.
>>24255710
>80% of suicide victims are men
Deliberately excluding the fact that women attempt suicide at a much higher rate, but men own and use guns at a much higher rate, which correlates with the fact that literally half of ALL male suicides are men shooting themselves.
But still, men do actually kill themselves more often, I don't deny this (I'm just calling you out on your deception) Men's depression is a result of hoe patriarchy pressures men to preform to their increased expectations and perception of value. People think that the world depends on men to be masculine and powerful, because women are useless. In turn men are fed expectations to be superior to women, but men are humans and don't always meet those expectations.
Toxic masculinity hurts men.
>>24255851
>Deliberately excluding the fact that women attempt suicide at a much higher rate
>women fake suicide attempts for attention
>>24255851
>Men's depression is a result of hoe patriarchy pressures men to preform to their increased expectations and perception of value. People think that the world depends on men to be masculine and powerful, because women are useless. In turn men are fed expectations to be superior to women, but men are humans and don't always meet those expectations.
No, the problem is that the vast majority of men are masculine, but are given absolutely no recognition or reward for being that way.
>>24255724
>Post some of this evidence.
Let me guess, you've never been to a gym? Because if you went even once, you'd see the evidence immediately. Girls lift less than 1/2 of what guys lift on every single exercise.
>>24255878
That was what I was implying.
I was under the impression the post I replied to was saying that women are told they are weak, when evidence suggests they are not.
>>24255851
>but men own and use guns at a much higher rate
men kill themselves even more frequently in japan, and they have no access to guns. it has absolutely nothing to do with guns and you're being intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise.
>Men's depression is a result of ... patriarchy
do you know what the word "patriarchy" even means? it means fathers being the head of the household.
on any given day, men are 4 times more likely to kill themselves than women.
but men are 11 times more likely to kill themselves than women in the 12 months following a divorce. and women initiate more than three quarters of divorces. how the fuck does that have anything to do with patriarchy?
your theory is fucking retarded.
>>24255724
the fact that two women completed ranger training. If women were biologically incapable of that (Having the same standards as the men) then that simply could not have happened. women are coal miners, firefighters, etc. If it was biologically impossible, they'd simply not be capable of doing so.
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/coalMine.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0711/acoal.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/women-graduate-army-ranger-course/
http://work.chron.com/woman-fireman-15474.html
>>24255844
>the wage gap will be 100% closed when women are ready to close the grave gap.
Non sequitur
>oh because being second class citizens, left to fend themselves and for some, forced into violent crime is another male "privilege", right?
Literally toxic masculinity. Women on the streets are statistically less violent than men in the same position. It's what happens when men are raised to accept violence as part of their being, when false assumptions about testosterone dominate the household.
>i don't recall mentioning either breast cancer or prostate cancer. but please don't tell me you're trying to assert that women die younger than men.
Wow, lying this hard, really. you said ">Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's" PLEASE try to tell me you meant some other wildly gendered cancers.
Also yes, women do die from breast cancer younger than men die from prostate cancer. are you saying that you're calling me out on this? are you saying that I'm lying?
> think that would ever happen to a man?
A woman who was sentenced to 8 years in prison for pretending to be a man by the SAME EXACT JUDGE WHO SENTENCED A MAN TO 4 YEARS FOR MOLESTING 25 CHILDREN AND ANOTHER MAN 6.5 YEARS FOR RAPING FOUR CHILDREN AND IMPREGNATING ONE.
Still, here you go
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/current-events/judge-didnt-sentence-wealthy-child-rapist-to-prison-because-he-might-get-hurt
>>24255844
>Males are discriminated against in school and University.
>Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
>60-80% of the homeless are men.
>Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
>40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
>>24256100
>Males are discriminated against in school and University.
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/01/10/politics-and-feminism/the-shameful-truth-about-our-treatment-of-boys/
http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2013/04/23/the-secret-war-on-men/
>Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/us0808/8.htm
>60-80% of the homeless are men.
http://usich.gov/population/chronic
>Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
http://www.ovaconline.org/OVAC/09/OVAC_FY10_Approps_Request.pdf
>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
http://www.australianpaternityfraud.org/PATERNITY_FRAUD_STATISTICS-AUSTRALIA_OTHER_COUNTRIES-STUDIES_DNA.aspx
>>24256100
>40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V75-Straus-09.pdf
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
http://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/pages/12_page_findings.htm
>>24255872
le inherently masculine meme.le men should be rewarded for having benises.
>>24255878
Bu that evidence, thought you mock, supports me. Women are told to lift less because muscles are unattractive on a woman, Men are told to work out and challenge their strength without limit, while women are told to sculpt abs.
There is no proof that any women has to lift smaller weights. If you know what a workout is, you know that we limit our bodies, our bodies don't limit us. We don't have a magical weight limit, only what we push ourselves to do.
>>24255935
Without patriarchy, men wouldn't see themselves as needing to be the most powerful, the most important, the most default of humans. Men would not be valued based on their abilities and would be reduced to a woman's level in society and thus find value in himself beyond his accomplishments as a man.
Men would be able to be okay with not owning a wife. Men would be fulfilled within themselves, not by their pride and achievements.
Patriarchy is a systemic structure in which men are deemed the default human and women are men's vessels for their children. Patriarchy dictates that men are the ones good at everything while women's capabilities rarely exceed childbirth and childcare (Not even at a professional level, just purely a womb and tits which is why professors beyond high school and child psychologists are traditionally men)
>>24256100
>>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
Holy fucking shit.
>>24256184
>what is sexual dimorphism
>>24253208
>stupid frogposter that has nothing to the contrary
>>24256085
>Non sequitur
almost as non sequitur as responding "Ignoring that warlords are men"?
>Women on the streets are statistically less violent than men in the same position
if only men could sell their bodies for sex, instead of having to fend for themselves...
>Wow, lying this hard, really. you said ">Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's" PLEASE try to tell me you meant some other wildly gendered cancers.
what is cervical cancer
what is testicular cancer
>Also yes, women do die from breast cancer younger than men die from prostate cancer. are you saying that you're calling me out on this? are you saying that I'm lying?
you tell me, did i? i'm reasonably sure that all i asserted was that men die younger than women, and women have 15 times more funding into female-specific cancers.
>>think that would ever happen to a man?
>A woman who was blah blah blah blah...
so your answer is basically "no, it wouldn't"
>>24256184
>Without patriarchy, men wouldn't see themselves as needing to be the most powerful, the most important, the most default of humans. Men would not be valued based on their abilities and would be reduced to a woman's level in society and thus find value in himself beyond his accomplishments as a man.
>Men would be able to be okay with not owning a wife. Men would be fulfilled within themselves, not by their pride and achievements.
>Patriarchy is a systemic structure in which men are deemed the default human and women are men's vessels for their children. Patriarchy dictates that men are the ones good at everything while women's capabilities rarely exceed childbirth and childcare (Not even at a professional level, just purely a womb and tits which is why professors beyond high school and child psychologists are traditionally men)
Holy shit these mental gymnastics...
Want to know my theory for why men are 11 times more likely to kill themselves in the 12 months following a divorce?
How about because the woman he loved has left him, has taken his children and is now fucking another man, and he has to go to work so he can afford to pay for her to do it.
Now, tell me, is that more likely to be the driving force behind post-divorce male suicide or is it some extension of your bullshit theory about the "systemic structure in which men are deemed the default human..."?
>>24252921
If you really love someone you don't need some commericalized ceremonial obiter dictum to prove it to them
I can't fucking believe how hard you idiots are letting yourselves be trolled by this patriarchy poster
>>24252921
Holy shit guy ever heard of paragraphs?
>>24256141
>http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V75-Straus-09.pdf
I knew you would try to coax this over on me. There is a reason nobody aside form MRAs try to use the Murray A. Strauss' pet CTS scale. It is dishonest and debunked over and over.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=198004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_tactics_scale
https://debunkingmras.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/debunking-the-mens-rights-movement-x/
(To address the "Women as aggressors" picture)
>Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's
okay, addressed that earlier.
>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
The problem with these figures is obvious. The participants are not a random sample of the population. On the contrary, they are a group of people who have doubts about the paternity of a child or children. The main thing we can say on the basis of these figures is that about three-quarters of people who have some reason to doubt paternity will find that their doubts are unfounded.
http://insidestory.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/
cont...
>>24256210
you tell me, did i? i'm reasonably sure that all i asserted was that men die younger than women, and women have 15 times more funding into female-specific cancers.
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/mortality/age#heading-Four
fucking liar.
>so your answer is basically "no, it wouldn't"
Another lie as I adressed head on by provinding a direct example after that. lolololololol
>if only men could sell their bodies for sex, instead of having to fend for themselves...
even non-prostitutes are less violent.
>>24256245
Men are statistically better off than women after divorce. you are directly refuted.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/25/divorce-women-research
>>24256400
>you tell me, did i? i'm reasonably sure that all i asserted was that men die younger than women, and women have 15 times more funding into female-specific cancers.
>fucking liar.
which part? i thought everyone knew men died younger than women?
>Another lie as I adressed head on by provinding a direct example after that. lolololololol
the question i asked was whether you could see a man getting off a child rape charge with a conviction but zero jail sentence. in what way was my question a lie?
>Men are statistically better off than women after divorce. you are directly refuted.
in what way is that refutation? are you denying that men kill themselves 11 times more often than women in the 12 months following divorce?
>>24256130
>Males are discriminated against in school and University.
http://ideas.time.com/2013/02/06/do-teachers-really-discriminate-against-boys/
>Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
I agree but boys are also taught values that girls aren't. Parents believe in boys futures more than girls.
>60-80% of the homeless are men.
I do not plan to contest this. More homeless are men, especially since women who are about to be homeless are more likely to be in an abusive relationship or pimped.
>>24255547
>MRA confirmed
Okay two things here
1. Shut the fuck up you dumb whore
2. What is wrong with being a men's rights activist?
>>24255547
The Chinese abortion thing is not because of any parental sexism you dolt. It's because the parents are forced to choose a child that can help them when they get older.
Blame the Chinese government and not the people. They are victims. Of course you wouldn't know anything about being a victim though.
>>24256488
>1. Shut the fuck up you dumb whore
About 90% sure it's a dude...
>2. What is wrong with being a men's rights activist?
The idea that men need any kind of advocacy or support directly contradicts the central thesis of feminism; that women are always the victims and men are the evil oppressors.
Some people, like Erin Pizzey, who started the first women's shelters some 40 years ago, believe that there's actually a financial incentive behind feminists promoting the narrative that women are always the victims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3TtOpfWsFA
>>24256447
which part? i thought everyone knew men died younger than women?
You do know that graph is proving me right? Literally up until 50 women are dying more. I know what you tried to do, you tried to conflate all cancer with gender specific cancers, when clearly gender specific cancers affected women earler than men (There is not even a category for men 25-49 dying of prostate cancer compared to it literally being the biggest category for women in that range)
So thaNKS.
>the question i asked was whether you could see a man getting off a child rape charge with a conviction but zero jail sentence. in what way was my question a lie?
To which I linked to a case where a man rape his daughter and got no jail time despite being convicted.
>in what way is that refutation? are you denying that men kill themselves 11 times more often than women in the 12 months following divorce?
Liar, no I am not. I am denying your cause, that women are the successors of divorce while men are left homeless. Instead, men are more likely to be better off after divorce financially.
Your reasoning doesn't add up. now you're trying too hard. hahah. I'm slaying here.
>>24256532
It's funny how people think that laws are actually there to keep society running or whatever, and don't realize they exist purely to preserve an already existing power structure. First you get power extralegally, then you make laws so no one else can get it.
>>24256532
That's no man, just a giant bleeding vagina.
Know the difference soldier.
>>24256549
>"I'm slaying here"
>being smug about "winning" an argument over the internet
>being this cringe
Thanks for reminding me that I've spent to much time on here with faggots like you. I've had enough internet for today.
>>24256532
>who started the first women's shelters some 40 years ago
AHAHAHA no. Erin Pizzey is a delusional woman who thinks evil feminists are everywhere. She made a shelter which turned into the most widely known org in the UK. women's shelters existed long before her
>>24256596
I'm actually a really nice person, and I approach real life feminism and honest dicussion with sensitivity and empathy, but after years of MRAs and such ilk using arguments as a form of abuse, lying to and about me as if unleashing years of male rage on someone who dared challenge their victimhood.
I found that the only way to properly address such a hateful person is to be equally aggressive and smug, so that they can't do what they planned and gaslight, abuse, demonize me until I go away and revel in their victory.
If I am really brutal in my comments, you can't so easily paint the narrative that I brought feels to a facts fight and got trampled like I know MRAs love to pain the picture
"Muh feels" "Feminists don't cite anything, they just cry rape" you know that this is the narrative you wanted to paint, but I made it difficult for you on purpose. You're brought out of your comfort zone of abusing a feminist's kindness by degrading them for trying to address your gish galloping and poor research.
>>24256549
>you tried to conflate all cancer with gender specific cancers
truth be told i wasn't talking about cancer deaths at all, and i challenge you to point out where i did; all I said was that men die younger than women. cancer is one of the reasons, sure, but also workplace deaths, combat deaths, suicides, homicides, all are slanted towards killing men.
according to the plot more men die younger than women, assuming we're talking in absolutes over a lifetime. but sure, if you reduce the sample to just people under 50 there's a tiny amount of bias towards women (it looks to be in the order of maybe 100-150 extra women per year than men). i wonder how much of bias is due to the fact men are dying in droves due to suicide?
>To which I linked to a case where a man rape his daughter and got no jail time despite being convicted.
i thought you said he was sentenced to 4 years, you know, when you said:
>SENTENCED A MAN TO 4 YEARS FOR MOLESTING 25 CHILDREN
so i didn't read the article. but i just went back and read it, and i think it's interesting to note that in the last line a defense attorney is quoted as saying it's something he has "never heard of" happening. which kind of proves my point.
>Liar, no I am not. I am denying your cause, that women are the successors of divorce while men are left homeless. Instead, men are more likely to be better off after divorce financially.
literally when did i say men are worse off financially after a divorce? i said they die more, and i provided a theory as to why that is. it had nothing to do with being better or worse off financially.
>>24256703
>If I am really brutal in my comments, you can't so easily paint the narrative that I brought feels to a facts fight and got trampled like I know MRAs love to pain the picture
m8 you aren't "brutal" in your "arguments", you're just cringey and pathetic. Shit like this:
>lolololololol
>So thaNKS.
>now you're trying too hard
>hahah. I'm slaying here.
is just weak and pathetic. Kind of like most feminist men. And it certainly is evidence that you brought "feels to a facts fight"
For whichever anon was mentioning the disparity in focus on cancers.
>>24256618
typical feminist ad hominem. it's hilarious how fast feminists will turn on their own as soon as they dare point out the flaws in their narratives.
watch how quickly it will happen to Cassie Jaye...
>>24256734
No, see. I'm brutal in that I'm not trying to make you look good. In an argument, we are supposed to assume good faith, but see, you assumed I am a liar, and I, instead of playing good faith, called you out on being a liar. I am not assuming that you weren't aware of the facts. I am saying that you know what I linked, but you aren't acknowledging the existence of that which counters, refutes, and questions your point in the hopes that r9k is unaware of the information available. you are linking this as a matter of fact while fully aware that you're being uncritical of them.
I know how y'all work. I'm done pretending that you mean well when you lie.
>>24256810
>you assumed I am a liar
Projecting much?
Literally no-one has called you a liar. You, on the other hand, have used the word at least 3 times, including "fucking liar". And it looks like every time you've accused someone else of lying you've been wrong, too.
>>24256756
I addressed that already, you are both hiding the ages in which the deaths occur. Cancer research on that which kills people at a much later age and with absolute certainty only men is less focused on than cancer which focuses on the 25-49 group and affects both men and women (Women more)
As well, general cancer research uses breast cancer research funding, and without S G Komen's publicity stunts, people would be just as unaware about breast cancer as any other form.
>typical feminist ad hominem. it's hilarious how fast feminists will turn on their own as soon as they dare point out the flaws in their narratives.
watch how quickly it will happen to Cassie Jaye...
>Implying I owe anything to either of them.
Everyone please be aware that a mentally ill feminist is plaguing this thread. She's known on r9k and uses specific terminology that marks her out. She was in a thread yesterday posting stats about 'murders of prostitutes in the netherlands' and was throughly called out and her sources were exposed as dishonest and manipulative but she kept responding long after everyone else had gone home.
Don't expect to get a resolution. This person is crazier than most feminists.
>>24256845
>I addressed that already, you are both hiding the ages in which the deaths occur. Cancer research on that which kills people at a much later age and with absolute certainty only men is less focused on than cancer which focuses on the 25-49 group and affects both men and women (Women more)
You haven't addressed the image I've posted. What relevance is age when it comes to fighting cancer? 1,009 deaths were expected for 2011, 921 deaths from breast cancer yet in this example alone, breast cancer is getting almost 3 times the amount of funding, and this just one aspect of government funding which doesn't even include charity funding (where it's likely the difference is even greater). This is an example of female privilege, their issues being treated as significantly more important.
As the image says, breast cancer represents only 0.2 percent of all new cancer in men.
You're incredibly desperate to whitewash this reality. There are multiple major charity events every year for breast cancer in Australia and they receive vastly more attention than anything for men.
>You do know that graph is proving me right? Literally up until 50 women are dying more.
Not true, look at the whole dataset.
Up until age 25, boys and men die more than girls and women. Therefore by your own logic, men die younger than women.
>>24256852
Thanks senpai, I was starting to realise it was a total waste of time.
>>24256852
>about 'murders of prostitutes in the netherlands'
Oh holy shit, is that the same person who claims to be a 38 year old prostitute who fucks herself with horse dildos and eats her own shit? If it is, it would explain everything.
>>24256845
Oh I'm this poster >>24256898 and I'm going to add...
>you are both hiding the ages in which the deaths occur
I'm not 'hiding' anything. The image I've posted doesn't mention age. I notice that there are comments above where you're calling people liars and accusing others of bad faith. I've JUST entered the thread, posted a single image and you're accusing me of "hiding" things. This image is years old and hasn't been altered.
>>24256836
If I am wrong, I welcome learning. I came to my position through arguments and learning.
>>24254779 is an implication that feminists are just lying. Otherwise, it would be less presumptuously cast with a woman drinking a cup of male tears and ending with >Male privilege.
You assume feminists are always lying, bad faith, trying to silence men with crocodile tears, and never being able to link an argument or make a rebuttal. memes like "Muh soggy knee" "NAFALT" "NAWALT" "Muh feels" are built on the idea that feminists are underhanded liars who don't actually have anything backing up their arguments, and never supply links or rebuttals.
>>24256908
Do you understand how insane you appear? I was in that thread and you were accusing random people of being that prostitute just as you're accusing me of it now... you confused a bunch of people because they hadn't read the prostitute's comments but you were assuming they were her. You're making this up about horse dildos and shit-eating.
You're severely damaged as a person. Stop now before you hit the cliff.
>>24256703
Look, buddy, im going to tell you something here. I want you to think about it.
You are posting on some backwards ass site on the internet.
The "MRAs" you are fighting are most likely baiting you. Only complete fucking retards take every post on 4chan seriously.
This site is not for you, I suggest finding another place, anywhere else, to conduct your war on MRAs.
Really, i'm not saying this to be mean. You clearly are not thinking rationally though.
And 2bh I think you are dead fucking wrong. I just see no pint in arguing with you.
>>24256929
Pretty much all of the stats are regarding men posted there are accurate and these facts get no attention.
Do you understand that people like you radicalise men and turn them even more against women than they already (rightly) are? When MRA's start seeing how hopeless and powerless they are even to beg women to give them a hearing without being attacked... they go dark knight mode.
Women are using feminist to steal billions of dollars worth of job opportunities from men.
>>24256950
So basically it is you?
I have no clue which thread you're talking about btw, I just saw Netherlands and assumed it was the same insane whore.
>>24257002
No, I am not the prostitute.
>>24256852
I was not called out, bring up the thread if it's archived. I was well ahead in that argument tyvm.
>>24256898
>You haven't addressed the image I've posted. What relevance is age when it comes to fighting cancer?
Thigns which hit people when they are younger are more well funded than that which gets to people when they are much older. This is ageism.
>>24256904
Oh, okay. I see now. sorry about that. It still refutes the narrative that the poster was pushing.
>>24256927
Sorry, I thought you were someone else who was in this thread. I didn't mean to call you a liar if you genuinely weren't the one looking at my link.
>>24256958
I literally read the research papers I link and look for arguments against them. Maybe I should go back to arguing on le reddit.
>>24256970
If you're going to turn against women because they question the victim complex, then it's better now than later. Those stats are almost all being contested, some to be outright lies while most to be misrepresentations of reality and half-truths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ZmJuQqT9Q
Roasties get out.
>>24257069
>Maybe I should go back to arguing on le reddit.
Maybe you should find something better to do with your time.
>>24257018
>Thigns which hit people when they are younger are more well funded than that which gets to people when they are much older. This is ageism.
It has nothing to do with age. The funding (government and charity) is greater for breast cancer because of public awareness and support for this specific cause. The average person doesn't have any knowledge of when these cancers appear or kill people. The campaigns for breast cancer don't even mention age. Their whole focus is on WOMEN.
It works because women have more social access and both men and women care more about women (the same reason it was young single men sent to die on fields in WW1 to protect adult women and men, when they could just have easily sent adult or young women). A campaign for a men's issue is barely cared about by men, let alone women. This is male disposability and it's the reason feminism is a success, because feminism is a form of social aggression against men who already inherently lack social status and power as a collective and as individuals.
>>24257071
That is beautiful.
>>24257093
Awareness was generated by specific campaigns. I can agree that it's not fairly distributed, but contributing factors are:
-young, high profile women were diagnosed with breast cancer or a bad BRCA1 strand which increases the risk of breast cancer to over 80% (Angelina Jolie for instance)
-Breast cancer is a highly visible, socially powerful issue. A man's prostate cancer s something he can keep hidden for years, and doesn't affect him visibly. Breast cancer treatment is instantly noticeable.
-S G Komen is a high profile organization responsible for the majority of breast cancer awareness despite investigations noting that they do very little actual funding.
-BRCA1 research also leads into pancreatic cancer research. Pancreatic cancer is the most deadly once diagnosed.
> when they could just have easily sent adult or young women
That's dishonest, nobody sent women to war because they didn't think women could actually fight.the protection of women argument is also dishonest because women are only protected or captured because of their fuckability or uterus.
Women as people have historically been seemed as unimportant. an individual woman is not deemed important, a useable vagina is.
>because feminism is a form of social aggression against men who already inherently lack social status and power as a collective and as individuals.
No, feminsim is an attack on a hierarchy built on traditionalism and psuedoscience. feminism is an attack on gender. Feminists don't deny men can suffer, but when you're using men's suffering as a way to evade the perception of men as being better than women which reinforces power dynamics that perpetuate gender itself, its different.
>>24253787
State of South Africa at the moment. Fucking purple.
>>24257281
>young, high profile
Jolie seems to have come out about her breast cancer AFTER the image was made. Assuming for the sake of argument that you were right, the question is, why is anyone that concerned over Jolie and her breast cancer rather than whatever famous male actors are dying\suffering from?
>S G Komen...
This is conspiratorial thinking, that an organisation apparently limited to the US and with "vey little actual funding" is somehow responsible for this massive worldwide breast cancer awareness. Even if for the sake of argument we assume this was the case, it doesn't explain WHY such a conspiracy would work. Here's a suggestion - it works for the same reason that EVERY major women's issue gets more attention than issues men face, because women have greater in-group preference, have greater social access and standing among both men and women, etc. It's the same reason the "white ribbon" campaign in Australia is such a success, because parasitic, mentally ill women\men like yourself get swept up in the power of getting attention and funding by exploiting this desire in men to protect women, and women's willingness to neglect or attack men.
>BRCA1 research
What is your source for this? If you put massive amounts of research into certain things, you're bound to have secondary benefits in terms of research. This isn't the issue, it's why breast cancer is a huge thing around the world while men's health issues are neglected.
cont...
>>24254231
This.
Here's a brain teaser that you will never get an answer for:
Jewish and Asians are some of the biggest players aside form blacks in the oppression olympics...
yet Jewish and Asians in America are the wealthiest, most successful individuals, moreso than whites.Jews control the media while Asians control the campuses.
Where is all this SJW shit coming from? OH SHIT! Don't worry, our new world order will take care of that pesky free thought. Just relax and let your mind free. Now watch some Jewish media, and go to your campus to learn about how that Chinese majority is so much better at you in everything but is still so very oppressed by whitey.
>>24257281
>>24257415
...cont
>nobody sent women to war because they didn't think women could actually fight
War was defined exclusively as men fighting. A human male against gunfire is incredibly fragile. His physical strength compared to women is practically meaningless, except for things like carrying weapons and equipment. But these weapons were developed for men to carry, when they could just have easily been developed for women to carry. Why were the wars of the first half of the 20th century defined as the protection of borders within which women are to be protected from harm? Because women exercised power in combination with the men in their lives to exploit powerless men and use them to defend their material wealth.
In the same way that men today at the bottom of society are expected to compete against one another without protections, while women are reserved white collar jobs simply by gender alone - and just as today it is primarily women who promote this in combination with men. Back then women were major promoters of the male-disposable-warrior system. The Pankhursts, major British feminists, were happy to lobby for the right of women to vote - but the same women were also happy to openly define war in defence of their right to vote as something where men alone kill and die. Early feminists (the WCTU variety) were happy to promote the segregation of prisons so women could be privileged at the expense of men. Women have had the vote for 100 years in my country - but not once in that 100 years have they attempted to seek equality when it comes to possible conscription (which did take place at points during this 100 years), or gender-segregation in prisons, or gender-disparity in prosecution and sentencing, etc.
>>24253699
>Nobody cares about you. Not women, and not even your fellow men. Many of them would slit your throat under the right circumstances. It shouldn't be this way, but it is, and it will never, ever, ever change.
>Cue Gargoyle Theme (just seems to fit that sentence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrEVnrg3Ic
>>24257281
>an individual woman is not deemed important, a useable vagina is.
They're one and the same, neither works without the other. Making a distinction is blatantly dishonest. As is the assertion that women have not been important in history. Many women have been monarchs and heads of state. Women as a class have always been shielded from combat and had their interests looked after by powerful institutions.
>>24257426
>Where is all this SJW shit coming from?
i actually have a non-conspiracy theory about the rise of social justice.
in the 1960s the single motherhood rate was 5%. now it's 50%. i think what we are witnessing right now is the social attitudes of the generations raised by single mothers finally reaching critical mass and becoming the mainstream.
masculine attributes like stoicism and taking things in stride are dying out and being replaced by feminist attributes like victimhood and entitlement.
>>24257552
That actually makes a lot of sense.
Social justice seems to be all about hurt feelings, safe spaces, and screeching and screaming about entitlement and privilege.
That seems decidedly feminine behavior to me.
>>24257415
Because Jolie's breasts were part of her aesthetic, same with most actresses. When they get them lopped off or changed, publicity happens. Also, the women are much younger. Men are older, more hidden about it, it's not known about them.
My BF's aunt got treated for breast cancer and she isn't even 50. It made a huge impact in the family. Meanwhile my grandfather had prostate cancer but he was diagnosed at 76. He wasn't concerned with it so much. It saddened me, but it didn't make such an impact because it never came up after his diagnosis. He was just him and he went to the doc a bit more often.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/pictures/celebrities-with-breast-cancer/#03
http://www.everydayhealth.com/prostate-cancer-pictures/famous-men-who-battled-prostate-cancer.aspx#05
>This is conspiratorial thinking, that an organisation apparently limited to the US
Pink ribbon campaigns are an internationally known phenomenon. SG komen and their pink ribbon campaign are widely successful purely due to marketing.
>because women have greater in-group preference
Because women are an oppressed class. This is why #BlackLivesMatter is a thing, because black people, though in positions of power, are still seen as lesser beings than white people.
Women are seen as weak, helpless, incapable of great things. Men will never be refused a high paying career because men are supposedly bad at it.
>BRCA1 research
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/BRCA1
http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/BRCA1andBRCA2.html
Pancreatic cancer
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2013/05/brca-pancreatic-cancer
http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/early/2015/05/18/JCO.2015.61.6961.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1942153/
>>24257552
It's also in the schools. Even young men are taught to think emotionally in female-dominated environments.
I remember myself how there were just some things I was taught to reactively 'hate' without thinking logically about them - guns, men in authority, religion. I'm not saying these things ARE necessarily good in themselves, but I was taught to sort of reaction emotionally to these things, not to engage in rational debate over their value - and this is really how most women think.
It can take years to 'unlearn' this approach to the world.
>>24257460
It's true that men are fragile to gunfire, but even today we have vastly negative attitudes toward women fighting. We as a society believe that women's physical bodies are incapable of challenging men to a gunfight. We adapt ideas that women cannot pick up soldiers (They can) that women cannot aim (baseless). In every single field our society rationalizes that women cannot be the best. Cooking, cleaning, caring for children, teaching, all women's chores until you become chefs, carpenters, psychologists and professors. Women are deemed incapable of improving beyond a base line of set skills and this is why women aren't as often soldiers despite women being famous snipers, etc.
>but not once in that 100 years have they attempted to seek equality when it comes to possible conscription
In my country NOW publicly supported female conscription in 1980 but was defeated by religious moralists.
NOW's position was that either conscription end (Favorable) or women be enlisted too (alternative) yet MRAs are actively trying to erase this from history by saying that feminists never challenged conscription.
Even now, women are likely to be conscripted thanks to opening the doors to combat roles.
>>24257628
You are 100% an ideologue and because of this you haven't addressed the issues I've raised.
Your personal anecdote (highly questionable) about age differences is worthless and doesn't address what I said. I pointed out that the charity campaigns for breast cancer are characterised by playing it up as a WOMEN'S ISSUE. There is nothing in these campaigns that references age, only gender. PINK Ribbons, did you see the screencap I posted? Every page is full of women.
>It made a huge impact in the family.
While I doubt that your story is true, this is an aspect of female power over men. Men are always distanced in relationships to a greater degree than women, including family relationships. This is obvious. Women have more people who care about them and their suffering. You're only proving my point.
>Pink ribbon campaigns are an internationally known phenomenon. SG komen and their pink ribbon campaign are widely successful purely due to marketing.
That's your assertion, but marketing has to play on something. Notice that the few occasions when an advertising company portrays women in an unfavourable light, they are very quick to apologise and retract. They are quick to respond to female complaints about petty things, while men are often depicted in vile ways (see the youtube series misandry in the media).
Pink ribbons aren't a success because of some magical by illuminati german industrialists, they're a success because they play up the issue as female. They used the colour pink because of its associations with femininity and womanhood.
>Because women are an oppressed class. This is why #BlackLivesMatter...
Absolutely pathetic.
>Men will never be refused a high paying career because men are supposedly bad at it.
Try this out >>24256990
>BRCA1 research
It'll take time to read those and I'm not medically trained. Please explain in layman's terms what the connection between breast cancer and pancreatic cancer is and why it's relevant.
>>24257763
>but even today we have vastly negative attitudes toward women fighting. We as a society believe that women's physical bodies...
"We" "society" believe that I as a male am somehow more disposable. Yet I and men in general are the "powerful" ones according to you. If you look throughout history, you'll notice that generally those who were put in low level combat jobs were the lowest classes of society. All 10,000 years of history shows that very rarely were wealthy and powerful elites assigned to military positions at a low rank. Very often slaves were used. Even when powerful and wealthy men were involved in the military and put themselves at risk, they were in positions of authority over others and generally had the ability to leave the job if they wanted. Conscription targetted men exclusively, and low status men especially (in Britain I believe single men were targetted - proximity to women is privilege). In WW1 Britain, there were many immensely powerful, immensely wealthy women - women who were perfectly able, in the interest of gaining the vote, to march through the streets, commit violent crimes including assault, arson, etc - these women were treated better than men the few times they were actually charged. Yet practically none of these women sought to gain the vote on equal terms. They clearly had power because without any degree of supression they gained the vote and many more privileges over men over the past hundred years, but NEVER sought a systematic equalisation in relation to the law or in regards to possible conscription.
>>24257763
>In my country NOW publicly supported...
Not in my country. 1980. What did this support involve? Was there a concerted effort? Why is it that the women's movements managed to succeed at getting various things like abortion legalised and even subsidised, contraception subsidised, domestic violence legislation, 'equality' in banking legislation, 'wage gap' legislation, etc -- but they still haven't gender de-segregated prisons, or established a law that would ban a gender-based conscription or draft in future? Show me what massive efforts they took, please.
>Even now, women are likely to be conscripted...
Delusional.
Some stats to make it even worse for you my man;
>Males account for 83% of all suicides
>Males account for 98% of all combat deaths
>Males account for 93% of all workplace deaths
>Males account for 77% of all homicide victims
>Males account for 75% of the homeless
>Males lose half of everything they own in a divorce - of which over 80% are initiated by women
>Women commit over 65% of all /reported/ domestic abuse - the number is much larger when unreported estimates are added
>Males are expected to be shipped off to war no questions asked
>Males are told to just man up whenever they're in mental distress - which leads to mass shooters, serial killers etc because despite seeking help they can't even get it
>70% of males in the US have had their genitals mutilated at birth and are told to just get over it while females are protected under federal law from it. Despite fgm removing roughly 8,000 nerve endings and mgm removing anywhere from 10,000-70,000, fgm is considered infinitely worse because women
Just a few to brighten your day. Oh, and if you bring any of these up you just need to stop acting like a crybaby and man up.
>>24257830
Basically the mutations are similar in nature and combined research could benefit both
"Testing for BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations in breast and ovarian cancer has become routine in those deemed as high risk by virtue of family history. While patients with PDAC with BRCA mutations are smaller in number, these patients are also in a position to benefit from treatment advances made in breast and ovarian cancers."
Testing for one might lead to testing for the other in people who would not be deemed at risk.
"but the fact remains that these parameters would miss the majority of BRCA-mutation carriers that could have benefited from clinical trial enrollment or genetic testing and counseling for their families. The question arises, how broadly should we be testing for BRCA mutations in patients with pancreatic cancer?"
>Pink ribbons aren't a success because of some magical by illuminati german industrialists
Lost of people advertize things we don't need.
also http://katatrepsis.com/2012/10/30/why-does-breast-cancer-research-receive-more-research-funding-than-prostate-cancer/
further reading
>>24257976
>Males are told to just man up
This pisses me off to no end. I spend my life being stoic and never complaining about anything.
But then you have feminists saying this is "toxic masculinity" caused by the patriarchy and men need to learn to let their feelings out and cry sometimes.
But if you ever dare do it, you get mocked for it, feminists wear shit like pic related, post to twitter hashtags like #MasculinitySoFragile and tell you you're a crybaby who needs to man up.
So which is it?
>>24257935
>but they still haven't gender de-segregated prisons
You're literally advocating for rapists to have access to more victims. Desegregating prison only serves to have men beat and abuse women. there is no if-ands-or-buts.
Also, nobody has been able to challenge that because military service and citizenship rules are hard-coded into patriotism. We have antiquated military rules because nobody can touch them. That's government saying no.
>Delusional.
yet it's true. by some time next year a decision will have to be made on the selective services.
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft/Backgrounder-Women-and-the-Draft
>>24258027
It's like they're trying to breed mass shooters just to further a point, but what that point even is I have no idea anymore.
>mutilate baby boys to prevent them from feeling pleasure
>constantly make them feel disposable
>start to develop mental/personality issues - anxiety, schizo etc
>tell them to man up when they ask for help or put them on tons of aspie meds that just make them worse
>pushes them over the breaking point because they have absolutely nobody to turn to
>shoot people
>"LOOK AT THIS TOXIC MASCULINITY CAUSING THEM TO SHOOT PEOPLE TO FEEL EMPOWERED! WAH WAH WAH INANE SHIT WAH WAH WAH"
>>24258027
Feminists don't say man up. The difference is obvious, you're just deliberately ignoring it.
-Crying because of personal issues is supported, not being stoic is supported
-Complaining that feminist hurt your fee fees by challenging a male superiority complex, making up bullshit about how feminists are excluding white cis men is why feminists wear those shirts.
>>24258156
>making up bullshit about how feminists are excluding white cis men is why feminists wear those shirts
well now i know you're just trolling
>>24258013
>Basically the mutations are similar in nature and combined research could benefit both
You haven't provided a clear or convincing argument here. Researching male cancers could just as easily lead to benefits to other cancers or diseases.
>also http://katatrepsis.com/2012/10/30/why-does-breast-cancer-research-receive-more-research-funding-than-prostate-cancer/
So it's clear now. Instead of taking the point about disparate funding of cancers in the context (disparate funding for EVERYTHING gynocentric), you go around googling for ways to refute the realities of male disposability and powerlessness. This guy's argument is pretty weak and...ageist, frankly, even a little stupid - for example, at one point this man says that because men die younger, there's less need to extend their lives! Even if we take what he says as valuable, what he's saying about age isn't commonly known, and it's not what drives the funding of breast cancer at 4 times the rate of prostate cancer. What drives that funding is public awareness build on the gendered nature of the disease. Government and charity funding comes from the public and the public doesn't know about this age thing, but they DO know about the gender thing - the primary way in which the issue is sold. There is also the wider context of significantly more HEALTH FUNDING IN GENERAL for women. To quote:
"Men's health ranked 36th for federal government health research funding in 2012, behind sexually transmitted infections and just ahead of parasitic infections, an exclusive analysis by News Corp Australia shows. Since 2003 women's health research received more than $833 million from the National Health and Medical Research Council compared to less than $200 million for men."
>>24258156
Why don't they complain about anything listed in >>24257976 if they truly are for equality?
They're a bunch of psychopathic entitled cunts with no regard whatsoever for anyone else. The very fact you said fee fees just proves you're a dumb cunt and need to leave. Why are you here? Why aren't you out fighting the patriarchy by spaming shitty Dr Who gifs everywhere? You aren't helping.
>>24258111
>You're literally advocating for rapists to have access to more victims. Desegregating prison only serves to have men beat and abuse women. there is no if-ands-or-buts.
Rapists have access to victims in male prisons. Male prisoners get raped all the time, and male-on-male rape is SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE than male-on-female rape.
>Also, nobody has been able to challenge that because military service and citizenship rules are hard-coded into patriotism. We have antiquated military rules because nobody can touch them. That's government saying no.
Women have challenged many many things relating to miiltary service and citizenship, and won! A handful of women in my country can get together and have a PUA guy thrown out of the country, yet they couldn't have attained SOME degree of equality before the law and regarding conscription\drafts in 100 years?
>>24258131
Right, I bet you think feminists use words like Toxic Masculinity and Patriarchy or make violent and aggressive sounding campaigns such as Male Tears and KillAllMen satire to talk about gender neutrality to incite anger in men while looking rational in arguments and making their opponents look like misogynists.
I bet you think Andrea Dworkin was only popular because she used aggressively hateful rhetoric in her writings and speeches to garner intense hatred but spoke rationally in debates and legislature to assure us that men were attacking her for caring about women's bodies.
Gotta love conspiracy theorists.
>>24258239
>>>/t/umblr
I'm willing to bet money you're one of the "fembot" shitposters.
>>24258206
All of that link was addressed before or is debunked/suspect. Feel free to shoot me links. I have my own.
I'm here because I enjoy the company of other robots. It's just unfortunate that robots are brainwashed into not being critical of the woman hate they're fed.
>>24258215
>Rapists have access to victims in male prisons.
Despite what you think, most men aren't raping men in prison. Men would be raping and assaulting more women in prison if they were not segregated. Many men in prison are there for deadly assault on women and will gladly do so again.
Anyhow, I am actually an active supporter of JDI where most of my donations go. I can actually take picture proof of the mail they send me (personal information redacted)
>Women have challenged many many things relating to miiltary service and citizenship, and won! A handful of women in my country can get together and have a PUA guy thrown out of the country
That is a different thing than conscription. Visas are not equivalent to citizenship. Not just feminists have been fighting that tooth and nail. countries don't play with that so easily as other laws/rules.
>>24258344
I don't really care who you support, you're implying that I as a male deserve to be segregated in sentencing due to my gender alone.
I've got all that i'll get out of this conversation. Any level-headed person can see that I've refuted practically all of your claims.
I have some Witcher Enhanced Edition to play.
>>24258410
stop feeding the shitposter brah
>>24258344
>Males account for 83% of all suicides
>debunked
evidence plz
>>24258410
LOL You're literally not going to get anything from me if you think we should desegregate prisons and make them extremely dangerous. there is a reason trans women fight to get out of male prisons.
the fuck is the difference? Why do you want men and women in the same prisons rather then we simply make sure prisons are equally safe for both (Which prisons are not safe at all) There is no point to being around women in a prison that supports equality, holy hell.
Prisons should be segregated, and if male or female prisons aren't treated the same, we simply address the treatment of those prisoners. There is nothing fixed by giving men (or women) a way to abuse rape and beat their preferred sex.
Do you know how many children would be born from completely captive parents who can't raise a child in that situation? I can only assume you're being vindictive here and know that the only thing gained by desegregation is more men beating women behind bars, more rape than is happening now, more abuse by prison officials ...
>>24258344
But you haven't debunked any of those. Give some proof you dumb white knight faggot. You're the type of "robot" who'd fuck over another robot just to get with a roastie whore who'll ditch you for Chad in a week anyway. You don't belong here.
>>24258524
>there is a reason trans women fight to get out of male prisons.
Yeah, the reason being that women's prisons are more like a resort.
>>24258517
Didn't claim that specific one was debunked. I addressed that one here:
>>24255851
>>24257010
Yes you are faggit ;^)
BloXXX
>>24258344
I'm interested in your opinion on why feminists and non-feminist women don't like dating feminist men?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/19/why-i-wont-date-another-male-feminist
http://www.singledudetravel.com/2015/09/why-dating-a-male-feminist-is-like-dating-a-bitchy-girl/
>>24258559
Women "attempt" suicide because they want attention. A tiny nick to the wrist is considered a suicide attempt.
>>24258534
here you go:
>>24255547
>>24256085
>>24256359
>>24256400
(link at the bottom)
>>24256549
>>24257281
(the whole discussion)
>Women commit over 65% of all /reported/ domestic abuse - the number is much larger when unreported estimates are added
debunked
>Males are expected to be shipped off to war no questions asked
An assertion, not an argument
>70% of males in the US have had their genitals mutilated at birth and are told to just get over it while females are protected under federal law from it. Despite fgm removing roughly 8,000 nerve endings and mgm removing anywhere from 10,000-70,000, fgm is considered infinitely worse because women
Look, Circulese. This is a problem that a potentially dangerous poeration is being carried out without consent on babies, but FGM is notoriously more dangerous than American circumcision.
The amount of nerve endings doesn't reduce pleasure since pleasure itself is relative. Most circumcised men can reach climax just as easily as uncircumcised men.
>>24258571
Because men who proclaim to be feminists and use it as a title are self-serving, often white and middle class, talk over women, and infect feminist communities with their POV as if a male point of view is something women don't regularly get fed every day.
Male "feminists" are terrible. This is why feminists prefer male allies and socialists.
>>24258684
>The amount of nerve endings doesn't reduce pleasure
Please just stop posting. It's also nice to see you take mgm as a joke considering the Circulese quip. You claim to be for equality and yet think it's okay to make fun of males who've had the most intimate part of their body butchered because women think it looks better?
You still haven't even answered why you're here either. What are you trying to accomplish? If anything you're just pushing people further away from whatever you're trying to do.
It doesn't matter what we do, anon. It's a bad deal either way. You either take your roasty scraps with a smile or you die and get out of the way for some beta who is actually willing to play ball.
>>24258738
I've dealt with intactivists before. you aren't new, your statistics, your disturbingly vitriol filled rhetoric, your complaints about not feeling some glorious mystical pleasure that doesn't exist.
Circumcision is wrong in that it is largely a cosmetic surgery done on an infant with no consent. That is wrong. Like all medical procedures, this can cause complications.
HOWEVER< that's where it ends. It is not comparable to tribal mutilation, sewing of vaginas, clitorectomy etc.
it does NOT take away pleasure that you could have felt. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2515674/Its-official-Circumcision-DOESNT-affect-sexual-pleasure-according-biggest-study-issue.html
There is no difference, some men even say it increased pleasure. You cannot compare your pleasure with an experience you've never had, and men who have had both experiences vastly say that it's not the case.
>>24258814
>your disturbingly vitriol filled rhetoric
again, you are literally the only one here with any vitriol
>>24258814
>vastly
Those people also had phimosis and as anyone who's had it and naturally fixed it knows, there's next to no sensation in the foreskin until you get it detached from the glans.
The foreskin contains thousands of fine touch receptors, nerve endings etc that are responsible for tactile sensation in the penis. It's like touching the palm of your hand compared to your back - you can feel all of your fingers on your palm but your back just registers one solid thing. The same applies to the penis, it's why cut men have to work so much harder to cum, they don't have the fine touch sensitivity. The glans dries up and layers of dead cells form on it effectively rendering it useless as well. I'm uncut and would say about 75% of my pleasure comes from the foreskin and frenulum - and even most of the frenulum is removed during circumcision. Why do you care so much about little girls bumfuckistan when 70 fucking percent of little boys in the US are being mutilated? What about the little boys being mutilated under those same conditions in Bumfuckistan?
There's no reasoning with you fucking people. It's no wonder somebody's resorting to shooting up an armored truck to fund regeneration since absolutely nobody will even listen or let alone help.
>>24258027
you really want to know which is it ?
its like a thousand mass shootings all happened at once and no one will ever still listen
>>24258907
>and as anyone who's had it and naturally fixed it knows, there's next to no sensation in the foreskin until you get it detached from the glans.
Nope You can have strong sensations with phimosis, too sensitive even since the head is covered and not exposed to the environment. painful to actually touch. All sensation is the same since it's literally just a matter of stretching the band around the shaft unless it's too tight.
You're changing reality to fit your narrative.
The glans is the main sensor of the dick. there is nothing to back you up that men find circumcision to be a massive loss in pleasure, contrarily, some men gained pleasure.
You are simply projecting an idea of lost feeling onto others. men who have been circumcised at birth aren't missing out on relative pleasure, they get off and enjoy it just like men who haven't been.
Some people can actually get extreme pleasure from someone grazing their back with their fingernails, kissing, etc..
>>24259058
You don't have a penis. Nothing you say is relevant. Please direct your shitposting to reddit where people may actually take what you say seriously.
And, once more, you still haven't answered why you're here.
>>24259058
The glans is the main sensor of the dick
The glans has an estimated 8,000 nerve endings. The foreskin has 10-70,000 as stated before. The glans does not have fine touch sensitivity. It can be compared to the back in that analogy - it feels pleasure but not precisely. And guess what? If you'd actually read my post you'd know it forms layers of keratin rendering it useless anyway since the nerve endings are too deep to properly stimulate.
I never said you have no sensation with phimosis. The inner foreskin is what's sensitive, not the outer. The inner is fused to the glans so obviously you can't properly stimulate it. The increase in pleasure is because they were then able to properly stimulate the rest of the penis, not because they lost their foreskin. You have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. Do you have a foreskin? Have you had phimosis that you fixed without mutilating your dick? No? Then what makes you think you have any credibility?
>>24259201
>The glans is the main sensor of the dick
Meant to meme arrow that.
>>24254221
> data vs. feelings, the debate.
>>24259222
And why the board of lonely virgin neckbeards who come here to get away from you people? Are you afraid of getting shot by us? Because right now you're just making it even more tempting.
>>24252921
Is this not why you are here? So you can find others who are suffering the same way you are?
>>24256810
>In an argument, we are supposed to assume good faith
Feminism is never advocated or practiced in good faith.
>>24258027
>tfw guy
>tfw sell cheap shirts like that to dumb women
>make 80k a year by it while everyone else wage kucks for 40 k if lucky
my business is expanding fast, I'm going to need employees and a warehouse. Just a few more years and I'll retire and live the rest of my life without normies. thank you feminism.
>>24259426
how?
i thought they were made in Bangladesh by women in sweatshops for 25c an hour
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2014/11/03/feminist-t-shirt-sweatshop_n_6094722.html
>>24259254
Because I'm tired of preaching to the choir. I can debate other radfems and socialists about human trafficking, prostitution, and gender theory.
Anyhow, supposedly us feminists can't debate, we never get out of our hugbox and we don't have anything to back our theories. I'm just waiting to be thoroughly destroyed by the powerful logic anti-feminists provide.
> Because right now you're just making it even more tempting.
If being challenged means a man must assert his power in an argument with lethal force, then toxic masculinity is worse than I thought. more feminism is needed.
>>24259801
Why do feminists feel the need to shame awkward, nerdy men? There are so many articles about how the fact that men wanting to date women makes them "entitled" or "selfish".
>>24259885
they're an easy target that won't fight back
>>24259885
Stop. Feeding. The shitposter. My man.
>>24252921
Warren is based, The Myth of Male Power is a great book. Audiobook turned into an interesting interview format.
>>24253261
Mating is not a 1:1 game.
In the distant past, one man reproduced for every 17 women. Even now, it's still 1:5.
Monogamy is part of the basis of a stable, first-world society. What we have right now is soft polygamy.
>>24254026
That's exactly it. Slutting destroys the ability for a woman to pair-bond through sex. Which of course makes her a no-go for a LTR.
>>24259885
Wanting to date women doesn't make you entitled or selfish. Blaming your entitled frustration on women makes you entitled. Thinking that women owe you something is entitled.
>>24260083
Warren Farrell fucked up a ton in that book.
https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/210a9z/the_farrells_follies_series/
>>24260180
>thinking that women owe you something
Except no nerd or robot actually thinks that. They are often the exact opposite.
In the case of Scott Aaronson, he felt that his attraction to women made him a horrible person and that he didn't deserve a girlfriend, which is "scrupulous", the exact opposite of "entitled". Feminism only made it worse for him.
>>24259919
Unfortunately for you I am a regular poster here. Leaving me un-refuted means that I will eventually gain political sway. Robots will doubt their precious worldview where women are the blame for their problems, robots will become more feminist by the day. I will corrupt your space, your stronghold.
I feed off the fact that every time I argue I leave questions for robots that aren't answered. I plant the seed of doubt. While you personally might be unconvinced, some robots are going though these links to try and disprove me. They will then have to search for information regarding the subject that they thought they know.
Your viewpoint is fragile. it depends on assuming that everything you know is correct, doubt means that just possibly, the narrative you've fed them is wrong. You now have to defend that narrative lest robots doubt the narrative.
When a feminist comes in here alone and is able to cohesively argue and back up their points with heavily researched data, you have failed to defend your narrative. you have failed to keep the world in tact.
I'm breaking it
I'm cracking the bubble.
I'm forcing people to re-think the jpgs and infographs they've been fed that have been considered indisputable fact. Questioning this and not being wholly refuted means that there could be something wrong
error
you have been challenged
They're depending on you, lest they entertain the thought that the feminists have a point, and if they entertain the thought, they might try to understand other feminist points.
You can't ignore it; it's happening.
>>24254155
You can definitely be a stay at home mom on one income. You'd just have to forego conspicuous consumption, which you won't of course, because you have a cunt.
This the world women wanted. The world generations of you marched and lobbied for.
You got it. Now you bitch even more.
You wanted all the traditionally masculine power, with none of the accompanying responsibility, and while retaining your traditionally feminine privileges.
You got it. And now men are blamed as neckbearded manchild porn-addicts for the inevitable and obvious paradigm shift that everyone with an IQ above room temp saw coming.
Women try to be fulfilled and happy based on the masculine model of fulfillment, they idealized what it is to be a man and assumed that all men were happy and fulfilled to begin with, kind of like when you're a kid and want to be an adult because you think it's so much fun because you're blind to responsibility and pressure that adults face, then you grow up and realize it's not all fun and games like you thought it was.
Men didn't bust their ass in jobs they hated because it was a fucking power trip; they did it for their women and their children.
Fact is women, much like children, are happiest when a man leads them in life and provides structure for them.
But it's too late now. You're not marriage material and haven't been for a long time. You made sure that the state would enable your hypergamous, parasitic, opportunistic nature. You waste your youth throwing sex at good looking losers, sometimes obnoxious and hyperagresive knuckle-draggers as well, who spit tight game for no investment and destroy whatever capacity for romantic love you may have had. Then you marry some guy you would have laughed at 12 years before. Then you rob him blind some years later. His sons...paternity questionable at best...see this, as do his co-workers and friends.
Repeat millions of times.
What did you expect?
This is what women chose.
>>24259801
your problem is that you're probably partly autistic or something.
you've been debated in this thread and your arguments have been refuted but you insist they haven't.
it's just self-delusion and you'll eventually walk away like every other male feminist or who thought he was brilliant enough to convert us.
>>24260405
Pure, unadulturated autism.
>>24260527
Just report and move on. Literally admitting to shitposting now.
>>24260405
You're a fucking moron.
To an extent, everyone grows up being a feminist. It's forced down our throats and furthermore plays into men's natural instincts to protect women. Men love women, and we want to do the right thing by them. Feminism makes sense.
But when you start to grow up and look at the reality of the world around you, you realise there is no such thing as patriarchy in the modern day, there is no rape culture in the west, and society is in fact very gynocentric. And feminism, gosh, it sure seems to hate men a lot, and for a movement supposedly about "equality", it sure doesn't give a flying fuck about men's issues.
Feminism achieved its goals decades ago. There is no glass ceiling. There is no station in life that women cannot achieve. There is no right that men have that women don't.
On the contrary in fact, there are rights women have that men don't, such as the right not to be conscripted, or the right to genital integrity.
You are convincing no-one, and you will change nobody's mind. I've followed some of your arguments in this thread and it appears that you just literally just stop responding to people prove you wrong. It's pathetic.
>>24259885
It boils down to your looks.
If you are unattractive, you are not allowed to have the same needs and desires as a man who is.
You do not qualify as human to most women, and you do not qualify as a Man to them.
At most, you are a kind of sexless proto-human thing that just kind of meanders around doing stuff. Expressing your human desires and needs in the slightest is verboten.
This is why it is called "entitlement" and "selfishness" when a man perceived as unattractive expresses any interest in love and sex. His accusers are not saying this disingenuously, and they do not understand what they themselves are doing; they truly, honestly believe he is an evil entity, selfish and entitled. They believe this because, again, in their minds, he is a truly sub-human being, and thereby believe they are just and righteous in their shaming of him, for he is desiring and reaching for that which he, to their mind, should not even have the capacity to think about. It is disturbing to them that this thing could even conceive of such things as he himself having the love and affection of any woman.
Just as the stray dog is not entitled to a Porterhouse, the average man, the Beta Man, is not entitled to love and sex.
>>24260433
>You'd just have to forego conspicuous consumption, which you won't of course, because you have a cunt.
Actually what you'd have to forego is a good education for your child.
>Fact is women, much like children, are happiest when a man leads them in life and provides structure for them.
What makes them happy isn't the morally pertinent issue. People deserve the freedom to make their own choices, even bad ones. They're not real choices otherwise, and there is no real agency and autonomy.
>This is what women chose.
Yes, and we'd choose it again. Having self respect is so much better than being the property of someone like you. No amount of bread you bring home can compensate for having to give your life away, submit to someone and "love" them. Even being alone, sexless and childless is infinitely preferable to that.
>>24260635
>Men love women, and we want to do the right thing by them.
Then why do you think you should own us? Why do you think we should do what you want us to do, and not what we want?
>>24260718
>Then why do you think you should own us? Why do you think we should do what you want us to do, and not what we want?
Literally no-one thinks any of these things.
>>24260434
you've been debated in this thread and your arguments have been refuted but you insist they haven't.
-my case against prison desegregation went unchallenged
-My case that 91% of child custody arrangements are handled out of court went unchallenged
-My case that Alimony benefits women because divorce dis-benefits women financially (Especially housewives with no working skill) has gone unchallenged
-My case that the CTS scale isn't a useful measure to gauge domestic violence statistics has gone unchallenged
-My case that high gun ownership and patriarchy contributes to male suicide has gone contested, partially challenged, unrefuted.
-My case explaining breast cancer research has gone unchallenged, a point I made about the age gap was refuted.
-My case explaining feminsm vs man up has gone unchallenged
-My case about NOW supporting de-gendering of the draft and the reconsideration of the draft next year has gone unchallenged.
-my case further on cancer research concerning the BRCA1 and 2 gene research benefiting pancreatic cancer research is contested as relevant, remains unrefuted.
-My case concerning combat, workplace, and homocide death being attributable to masculinity and other men remains contested on basis of the meaning of patriarchy but remains unchallenged.
-the 65% DV figure remains completely undefended by the poster.
-My point regarding circumcision remains contested
-my pint that women are historically seemed unimportant as people remains contested, but unrefuted. Only challenged by an unfounded assertion.
-My evidence against the idea of males being discriminated in uni remains unchallenged.
-my debunking of the 10% paternity fraud figure remains unchallenged
-my evidence against the women as aggressors figure remains unchallenged
-various other arguments remain unchallenged.
>>24259885
Because many of you are actually exactly as bad as you are accused of, and the rest are guilty by association because you defend them.
All you have to do as a nerdy guy is be decent and communicate effectively that you are not against us. There will still be a lot of self-identified feminists who will not listen, because they've already decided you're evil. But just because all of us aren't good people doesn't mean it's some sort of feature of feminism that we're hostile to nerdy guys.
>>24260727
Do you come on this board a lot? Do you come on internet a lot?
Do you not see people saying these things, or their equivalent all the time, or do you just think I shouldn't take it seriously for some reason? That I shouldn't be threatened by it because you're not threatened by it? Well, guess what, it's not a threat against you. It's trivially easy for you not to take it seriously.
>>24259426
Which country senpai?
>>24260898
STOP IT NOW
filler text etc
>>24260712
are you the bitch I was replying to?
