How do you feel about the Crusades?
>>24076817
Needs to happen again
>>24076817
They were pretty good I guess.
I'm not religious but I can still see the appeal.
literally masterminded by genoese and venetian merchants
christfags sure do enjoy dying for their jewish masters
>>24076817
Well intentioned, and a just war for their times
By our moral standards today there was a lot of senseless slaughter, especially in the albigensian crusade, but overall they were a good thing
>>24077435
I never thought of it that way.
>>24076817
It proves that humans are driven by more than the desire for wealth and power.
If you were solely interested in loot and land, why attack the holy land in particular? There are plenty of other rich targets, you could have used those resources to improve your standing in the local area or raid some other place that wasn't suspecting it. The fact is soldiers and resources from all over europe were focused on this place because many genuinely believed it accomplished something greater than earthly matters.
Slaughtering the population of Jerusalem and other antics were immoral but don't let that cloud the bravery and strength of the crusaders.
>>24076817
The word crusade is pretty cool.
>>24077435
Yeah in a way, the Jew's couldn't keep the mudslimes out because of their vast numbers, Christians helped because it was holy land where Jesus was born and raised.
>>24077528
>you will never ride on horse into a slaughter fest of muslims
>>24077528
>plenty of other rich targets
Where? Outside of the Italian peninsula, everywhere else was poor or ruled by only recently civilized barbarians until you reached Constantinople or Turkish/Persian territories, both of which the Crusaders ransacked.
>>24077528
>murdering people because your religious leaders tell you to is a good thing
>b-but when islamic terrorists do it to us they're pure evil!
what a fucking joke
>>24077638
They stole Jerusalem, Christians were merely taking it back.
>>24077638
Rightists all operate on the same logic, whether they're Islamic suicide bombers or /pol/ keyboard warriors
>>24077619
Trade networks sprung up all over Europe during the viking era. A single medieval ship could easily carry 100 tons, or about 200000 pounds of wool, candles, iron and steel tools, wine, grain, cheese or whatever you can find.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110628231215/http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/medievalprices.html
Even with something cheap like oats at 1s per quarter (100 lbs), that is 2000s, a laborer is paid L2 a year tops (40s). Either that or you join the king in one of his wars and curry favor at court so you can put more pressure on one of your neighbors and take their land or something.
>>24077638
>>24077700
>the "right wing" meme
I directly stated that slaughtering the population of Jerusalem and other antics were immoral.
It is possible to disagree with something but still admire the effort put in.
>>24077528
Except for the fact that they were promised guaranteed entry to heaven if they died in combat? That's gotta be worth more than wealth and power right?
>>24076817
It inspired Kingdom of Heaven, so that's pretty cool.
>>24076817
literally ISIS.
>>24078496
so you admire ISIS then?
actually on second thought I've read people on /pol/ defending them and saying they wished their people would act like that so who knows
>>24076817
Speaking as a Muslim, the crusades were pretty cool.
It was when Christianity and Islam ruled the day.
Nowadays, Christianity is kucked, and Islam is barely hanging onto a thread with ISIS.
>>24076817
First I thought it was Christians doing wrong. Now I don't know. Muslims took Europe and the Christians wanted it back. So I don't know if it was right or not.
This is what i feel
>>24078703
>Islam is barely hanging onto a thread
>this is what Muslims actually want us to believe
Islam is doing pretty good. Over a 1.5 billion adherents and it's the fastest growing religion in the world.
>>24078801
Christianity was definitely not a mistake.
It's the entire reason for civilization. The Romans were absolutely brilliant in how they transformed the brutal religion of Judaism and culled it with a loving man-God. It put God on the same level as man, which made it easier to eventually dismiss religion (since God was now considered an "equal").
>>24078879
>Over a 1.5 billion adherents
>le "Islam is the fastest growing religion" meme
Maybe as an outsider.
But I actually go to Friday prayer every week, so I know the ACTUAL state of Islam.
The religion is dying. Of those 1.5 billion muslims, very few even pray.
>>24078926
>I go to Friday prayer, so I fully know the changing demographics of a world religion
>>24077638
I love the idea of white Christians cleaning Europe of Muslim invaders.
I don't like Brown people coming to my home on their own will trying to destroy it.
If ISIL stayed in the middle east only then would your comment have substance. Try again regressive pussy.
>>24078974
I think it's fairly safe to say that the foundational units of a religion are tied to the state of its monastery.
Hopefully, this isn't a new discovery for the people in this thread.
>>24078668
I don't admire their goals but I admire the fact they are basically holding their own against the proxies of 2 superpowers. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Imagine the nazis started mass producing jet fighters in 1941 instead of 1944 and there was a real prospect they would win the war unless we developed our own soon. Would you be willing to admit they have accomplished something important?
Or would you say "mr president, the top scientists, airmen and generals begging you to start funding our own jet fighter program are just nazi sympathizers, we must never under any circumstances admit that the nazis have done anything better than us"?
>>24078897
I suppose that's an alright argument, but it did overtake a bunch of other cultures that we now know little about
it spread to far, too wide imo too
there are regions in japan, india south africa and even Philippine and many other non-european contries where the majority are christian rather than the native religion
>>24079016
Sure, but going to only one or even a handful of those monasteries means jackshit when forming conclusions about the religion as a whole.
That's like me going to one restaurant, and concluding, based on the conditions and service there, that the entire worldwide chain is dying, relative to other restaurant chains I haven't visited.
That's retarded, anon.
>>24076817
A small resistance against the long process of Islamic invasion.
>Reminder that by the time of the crusaders, Islam had conquered what was before half the known (christian) world
>>24077665
and...who did the Christians steal it from? You are a mongoloid.
Entirely justified defensive expeditions against Muslim incursions.
>>24079164
Do we really need to go back to the tribes of David? If you don't believe and want to go back to Mesopotamia it shows neither. So..?
Answer that one yourself, you regressive pseudo intellectual .
>>24077638
The crusades were a reaction to muslim jihads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ENPy0mqOE
>>24079184
More like:
>we got our asses kicked EIGHT straight times and since we won the crusades, we'll pretend we weren't trying in the previous fights
>>24076887
Underrated post, this, except where Christians and Muslims totally kill each other off
>>24079295
Muslims and their apologists can't even justify their bullshitting. All they can do is...
>"Christians did it too!"
Fucking idiots.
>>24079295
/thread
don't be a fucking retard
>>24079346
>Israel still exists
>Muslims can barely invade their own territories
>West taking and using up all middle eastern resources
>Regressive pretends Muslims won something
Do you think really think just because they don't get exterminated they are succeeding?
>>24079346
I guess the Muslims must have been really not trying when the Europeans raped the shit out of them for centuries after the Crusades.
>>24079184
that doesn't really justify the crusades though, it mostly just says "we might be bad. but so are they"
>>24078974
>"I, as an inside source, cannot produce an accurate statement regarding the sorry state of my religion. You should read another clickbait paranoia fuel article about Islam, written by people who know fuck all about Islam, to get the real picture."
>>24079464
Heard you talking shit, m8.
Rightfull reclamation of the saracen occupied holy land
God wills it
>>24079774
Quit defending your pedophile warlord death cult. There are so many valid critiques and arguments in this thread, yet you create a straw man.
Save face Yousef, even the liberals are sick of your cult.
>>24076817
Completely justified
>>24079706
Crusades were retaliation to reclaim what was taken. I dont know what moral system you subscribe to, but this is pretty much ok in most of them
>>24079843
>barely sacked a city that you outnumbered and had no resources
I bet you think running faster than a fat person is an accomplishment too.
>>24078974
In my country, the % of muslims who go to their weird Church to pray to their weird God on Friday is comparable to the % of catholics going to the true Church to pray to the true God on the true day (which is Sunday, despite Saturday originally being the correct day).
I would love to participate in that thread by my ADD is so bad that I can't recall the crusades in the correct order. It's all messed up in my head.
They had good reasons for the first one. If christians had blocked the road to Mecca, the muslims would have done the same.
>>24079970
>>24079906
>this lone buttblasted kike shitting up the thread
The JIDF aren't even quality checking their shitpost quota nowadays.
Who /Mount & Blade/ here?
>>24080026
>ad hominem because I am getting BTFO
Still waiting for one of you to address a valid point made in this thread. There are plenty.
>>24079931
retaliation after 200-400 years?
What a bunch of retards.
Read Runciman: a history of the crusades.
pretty good dlc, but I preferred the Shivering Isles
I don't like christianity at all but the crusaders were badass because they killed alot of people
>>24080057
I was refuting the guy saying you can't derive conclusions about the overall state of a religion from the comments of a member, you fucking mong...
>>24080119
Greentext and call me a mong all you want, it only furthers my point. By your standards this is a legit rebuttal.
>>24080207
can't tell if you're trying to rustle their jimmies or if you're really this needlessly bellicose.
>arguing about events 1000 years ago
>autism/10
If you lived back then, you would all be thrown off a cliff, fags.
>>24080356
Sorry are you lost, chad?
>>24080249
This is a thread to appreciate the lore of the crusaders. Regressives come and try to justify Islam. I don't care how autistic I come off, these people need to be put on their place.
>>24079464
>I guess the Muslims must have been really not trying when the Europeans raped the shit out of them for centuries after the Crusades.
I don't even think you understood my post, you dumb crusie.
My point was that you brought up a standing army in all those fights, and got your asses beat. Stop pretending like you were helpless. You lost. Admit it.
gg tbqh
>>24081054
>Stating subjective interpretation as fact, declaring yourself the victor
It's ok anon, one day you will win the internet!
>>24081116
dumb crusadey misinterpreted my post again!
gg tbqh was for the crusades, not our discussion.
>>24080356
Would probably be the better solution desu
I live on a different continent and give zero fucks, it's am event that happened, nothing more. I don't circlejerk over it because I was never involved, I would never celebrate any war if I was not fighting in it myself, it's disrespectful and self centered as fuck.
>>24076817
it was the backlash against Muslim sggression
What can you say. Just humans using religion as an excuse to kill each other.
>>24081942
>Just humans using religion as an excuse to kill each other.
So what you're saying is that humans have a natural inclination to kill each other?
>>24081963
Yes, it would seem that way.
>>24078926
>The religion is dying. Of those 1.5 billion muslims, very few even pray.
we can only hope
>>24079011
supported
>>24076817
I wish the muslims would have won.
Women are so much more pure and traditional under islam and this whole SJW thing would not have happened
>>24076817
Pretty based, lots of mudshits died.
Wish they'd launch a modern crusade and completely cleanse the Earth of those goat-fuckers. Too bad the west is a bunch of pussies now.
>>24082710
all lead by that tribal tribe we don't mention outside of /pol/
>>24082710
Shame they have to walk around covered in tarps and the men rape them then stone them to death for being raped, eh?
>>24082756
No, that's justice and insurance from roasties.
>>24082756
>implying this happens in all muslim countries
>>24082736
Protip: you're the pussy, not them.
>>24082916
>>24082736
>Too bad the west is a bunch of pussies now.
You guys do realize the "pussy west" unleashes air strikes every day on ISIS, right?
If anything, it's muslims that are being pussy. If they all had 20% bravery, we wouldn't stand a chance.
>>24082916
he syas the west is full of pussies, and he is right
and presumably he is in the west, so he's a pussy, and you are right too
wow, lets all have a group hug
>>24076817
I feel that they go against everything that Christianity stands.
>hurr the Muslims were violent too
Well you can enjoy hell with them.
Unless you don't actually believe in the Bible. But then, I must ask, why are you supposed fighting for "Christianity"?
>>24083004
*Christianity stands for.
>>24082756
I hate when normalfags act as if women are equal to other humans. They are property. This isn't hard to understand. If you had anot her man's penis in your blanket, would you still want it? No, you'd burn it and tell the guy to stop fucking with your blankets.
They fucked up badly after the first Crusades.
>>24079114
I lived in Saudi Arabia for 15 years. Less and less people care about their religion every year. I knew some kids who didn't even pray in High School.
>>24083004
>why are you supposed fighting for "Christianity"
because at least it teaches morals, including a strong hierarchy and leads to strong nuclear families
>>24083157
So you're fighting for something you don't actually believe in. What a meaningful life amirite?
>>24083228
I would fight for hierarchy over egalitarian enforced equality
but islam doesn't suit me because it is very anti science and against what I consider to be natural morality, e.g. amputating the opposite hand and foot of someone who will not convert, crucifixion, death death death, etc
I'm still a lobertarian, but think hitler was a breddy cool gai
>>24083004
Modern regressive Christianity at its finest. I am ashamed that you deny teachings in our faith and ignore the ugly side. Your kind tries to relate Christianity to people who want nothing of it. You are toxic and you deserve the same punishment as any other pagan or heathen. I am ashamed we share the same faith, you disgust me.
>>24083157
>/pol/acks aren't actually Christians
now the Jew hating makes sense, real Christians would follow the teachings of Christ such as love your neighbor, forgiveness and all that whilst the majority of what /pol/ does is hate and spite, essentially the devils work.
>>24083305
Those who falsely preach in his name, will suffer for eternity.
Death to the modernist scum poisoning the pure way of Christianity.
Death to the heathens that pray to the sun.
>>24083305
Christianity has always been against murder and war. You're delusional
>>24076817
The lives we took we saved in the future ruled by western societies logic and good christian morality. Our only regret should be that we wasn't able to kill more muslims.
>>24083494
>good Christian morality
>based on murder
No, and Jesus would be appalled that you would say such a thing.
>>24083494
>The lives we took
>/pol/fag think he is a crusader
lmao to be honest
>>24083118
This. Funnily enough I am listening to Asadullah Ali Al-Andalusi (spanish convert to Islam) where he is talking about the rise of atheism in the Muslim world, including Saudi Arabia. He partly blames the grandeur of a secular West in making the youth attracted to atheism, plus the refusal of many Muslims that atheism is even a problem in their countries- with the result a failure to create a counternarrative against secular liberalism that is being promoted by the West
>>24082674
Secular "muslims" are pure scum. See: France, Netherlands
>>24083314
you should read what the revered priests of the past, such as Martin Luther, and several popes, said about the Jews
or even what Christ himself said. "They are of their father, the devil."
"Those who say tthey are Jews, but are not, but do lie, instead they are the synagogue of Satan"
look it up if you want
and /pol/ isn't one person, there are many who claim to be actual Christians, I don't though
>hate and spite
isn't it rational to hate people who hate you, and wish to destroy your entire people?
what sense is there in loving people who wish to parasite off you, or do you harm?
>>24083477
killing in war isn't murder
>>24083529
>I know jesus personally, and I just asked him, and he told me he's breddy dissapointed
>>24083529
not murder, you faggot, killing that is justified is not murder
>>24083740
They do have a religious duty to lie to the infidel in order to subvert his society
What really gives away the 'moderates' though is the fact that they never condemn or demonstrate against the radicals, this is tacit approval or the extremists acts
>>24083882
The bible is against ALL killing you degenerate.
Maybe if you read it you'd know it.
>>24083924
even killing of animals?
even killing someone who is actively trying to kill you?
do you even differentiate between the Jewish Testament and the Christian Testament?
The Jews were ordered to commit genocide of many tribes, the Christians were not
>>24078926
is Islam becoming like Judaism, in that there are many "nonpractising Jews" who aren't religious at all but still identify with the culture?
>>24083997
Killing of animals no, killing of humans yes.
>>24083882
Jesus was Jewish.
Do you hate him because of that?
Besides people make mistakes, Jesus also made mistakes.
>isn't it rational to hate people who hate you, and wish to destroy your entire people?
No, I'm not saying you have to like them, but hating them because they have been misled is unreasonable.
>what sense is there in loving people who wish to parasite off you, or do you harm?
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
G-d will judge them eventually.
>/pol/ isn't one person
That is true.
>>24076817
germany here. im fucking ready. dont even have to travel for this one at all. neat.
>>24079354
>this much autism
>pic related
>>24084089
you didn't answer all my questions, i really must press you for an answer to them all
>>24084100
>No, I'm not saying you have to like them, but hating them because they have been misled is unreasonable.
oh mr moral and ethical wants to tell me what I have to think and feel?
don't you hate bad things? like disease? and criminals, especially violent ones, and fraud, I hate that, and the pisstake that is fractional reserve banking, where they can lend you $10 but only need to have $1, where does the other $9 come from?
>Forgive them for they know not what they do
you still seem to be under the impression that I'm a Christian, or fully buy in to the Christian moral code, I don't.
Also, it is not necessary to hate someone/something in order for it to be rationally the correct response to exterminate said person or thing. e.g. nobody hates bears, but we wouldn't accept them living in our towns or cities.
>>24079184
Am I missing something? When the fuck was Rome sacked by Muslims?
>>24084124
they're even creating a target rich environment for you, how considerate. of course, those that opened the gates are the ones that bear the most responsability, since the crimes of the invaders could not have happened without the traitors opening the gates
>>24083882
If you want to murder in the name of God, join ISIS.
>>24084306
>oh mr moral and ethical wants to tell me what I have to think and feel?
I just don't understand why someone would devote that much energy into something so negative when it could be better used constructively.
You asked for my opinion and I gave it, I wasn't berating you and your snide response is uncalled for.
>don't you hate bad things?
I certainly don't like them, but I don't worry or act negatively towards them.
>criminals, especially violent ones, and fraud, I hate that
They only do want they know or think is right, had they been born somewhere else under different conditions perhaps they would behave differently. I believe that they are not evil just misguided.
> like disease?
I don't hate disease, it is indiscriminate and has no sentience. It would be a waste to hate something that has no control, however that doesn't mean I don't support medical advancements against it.
> it is not necessary to hate someone/something in order for it to be rationally the correct response to exterminate said person or thing
Just because something is easy to do it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. See: Stanislav Petrov.
It would be easy to kill all the bears, does that make it right to kill all the bears? no
The Crusades probably hurt Europe at least as much as Middle Eastern Muslims. It was a horrible idea.
Sometimes I see that motivational pic posted that says "Crusades: We got dealing Muslims right the first time." But I think it would be more appropriate if it said "Dracula: He got dealing with Muslims right."
I like to namedrop the Children's Crusade at any applicable time.
>>24085221
what god is isis? Is that one of the egyptian ones? The sister of assiris?
>>24085415
>I believe that they are not evil just misguided.
can you prove that though? Or is it just a belief? A faith based position?
>They only do want they know or think is right
no anon, some people do bad shit on purpose
>Just because something is easy to do it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do
you miss the point, perhaps deliberately
if someone is trying to kill you, even the Buddhists will agree that you are honor bound to kill them
pacifism has no evolutionary benefit
>It would be easy to kill all the bears, does that make it right to kill all the bears? no
you know that that is not what I said
I said you don't have to hate someone, or somthing, in order for it to be wise or prudent to kill it
I also said that we wouldn't(or shouldn't) accept bears into our towns to live with us, they are dangerous powerful animals, with no human type ethics.
>>24085469
whats that?
>>24085554
The traditional story is that some French kid had a dream about Jesus and started preaching that he was told he could convert the Muslims peacefully. Somehow, he rounded up a couple thousand peasant kids and marched them all Mediterranean Sea. Despite his promises from God that the sea would part, they ended up having to use the boats of two kindly merchants, who promptly sold every kid that got on into slavery.
Modern history tends to say it was probably just a march of peasants in general, and not the more hilarious child-horde, but it remains a fun story.
>>24085554
>can you prove that though?
I sure can't. Although there have been many examples of people who, change their life around with the help from the bible.
>no anon, some people do bad shit on purpose
I'm undecided. Sometimes they mistakenly do bad for a good purpose and sometimes they don't realise that the purpose is bad. However when or if they finally want to repent, is it wrong to give them a chance to do good?
>if someone is trying to kill you, even the Buddhists will agree that you are honor bound to kill them
We don't have to kill them, only subdue them.
We have a prison system for such crimes.
>pacifism has no evolutionary benefit
I'm undecided on this, fleeing has always been an alternative.
>I said you don't have to hate someone, or somthing, in order for it to be wise or prudent to kill it
>I also said that we wouldn't(or shouldn't) accept bears into our towns to live with us
I think I understand what you're saying now and you're right, I think I probably got carried away there. Although we don't have to kill the bears, it would be just as easy in these modern times to call the police or conservation people to capture the bear rather than kill it.
>>24086502
Why are you posting here if you dont know the rules
>>24086028
I hope you didn't make that up, I'm too lazy to check right now, but that IS hilarious
>I'm undecided. Sometimes they mistakenly do bad for a good purpose and sometimes they don't realise that the purpose is bad. However when or if they finally want to repent, is it wrong to give them a chance to do good?
why do you think there are NO bad/evil people?
this seems to be the effect of leftwing sociology, blaiming the victims and excusing the perpetrators
>We don't have to kill them, only subdue them.
>We have a prison system for such crimes.
better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six
Do you think animals can commit what we would call immoral acts? e.g. eating people, developingh a taste for people and becoming a man hunter?
If animals can become dangerous to people, why can't other people?
why do you assume that people only have good intentions, were you ever told that that is the case?
>fleeing has always been an alternative.
you can only flee so far, and you have to leave all your structures which benefit the aggressors
> capture the bear rather than kill it.
I agree, but I was getting at the fact that some of the world cultures are primitive, backwards, medieval peasant cultures who are aggressive and warlike. We will not do well if we import sufficient numbers of warlike people into our lands. We may not even survive if the imports have many more babies than we do.
>>24079774
That's still what's known as an "anecdote", anon.
Your limited experience with something that has a global presence isn't enough too formulate valid conclusions about the entirety of it.
If less people are attending prayer in your neighborhood, city, or even your country; that doesn't make it true for the rest of the world.
Where I live, very few people ride motorcycles. However, I'd be retarded if I tried to use that anecdote to claim that it's true for the rest of the world.
It's a different story if you have something other than an anecdote to backup your claim though.
More information can be found here - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
>>24083118
That may very well be true for Saudi Arabia, but Saudi Arabia's population is very tiny compared to total number of Muslims in the world.
>>24086997
>better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six
That is personal opinion, one that I don't share.
I'd rather die for what I believe in than to kill and live against it.
>leftwing sociology,
haven't read about it
>blaiming the victims and excusing the perpetrators
I'm not blaming the victim nor am I excusing the perpetrators.
I am giving the perpetrators a chance to redeem themselves. How can you expect a criminal to ever do good, if everyone rejects their attempts.
Like back when people treated the Vietnam vets like shit. Not saying they were criminals.
>We will not do well if we import sufficient numbers of warlike people into our lands.
It depends on what you are trying to protect, alternatives are education and denial (whilst showing them alternatives).
>you can only flee so far
Despite their many trials and opponents, the Jews have supposedly found a way into the upper echelons of society. They were too small to fight back and yet they've managed to survive.
>and you have to leave all your structures which benefit the aggressors
These beings that thrive during war generally break down during peace times, their total intolerance will be their downfall. Christians were persecuted by the Romans before the church became a major power during the middle ages.
I personally do have a limit to tolerance however I try not to choose the violent route when that limit has been reached.
>>24088494
>I'd rather die for what I believe in than to kill and live against it.
so you believe it's wrong to kill someone who is trying to kill you?
it's a good job you're ancestors didn't have that attitude or you probably wouldn't be hear now
>I'm not blaming the victim nor am I excusing the perpetrators.
>I am giving the perpetrators a chance to redeem themselves. How can you expect a criminal to ever do good, if everyone rejects their attempts.
you seem to believe that even the people who commit the worst attrocites are deep down doing it for good reasons, and are good people... that there are no 'bad' people
if you truly believe that, what evidence can you present to prove this?
>It depends on what you are trying to protect, alternatives are education and denial (whilst showing them alternatives).
your children, your families children and your extended family's children(that's what a race is, you're extended family)
>They were too small to fight back and yet they've managed to survive.
survive? they have made all their wealth through usury and predatory lending practices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBqYTgFhkcs
> their total intolerance will be their downfall
do you tolerate cake? no! only bad things need to be tolerated
>I try not to choose the violent route when that limit has been reached.
"all power comes fromthe barrel of a gun" Mao tse tung(communist china leader)
if push comes to shove, and you do not shove, you lose
saved pig, fug xddddd
They were justified
t. atheist
>>24086997
>Do you think animals can commit what we would call immoral acts? e.g. eating people, developingh a taste for people and becoming a man hunter?
I don't think animals naturally have morals, they have desires and then act accordingly.
However some of them, I think can be taught right from wrong via conditioning.
Although I'm not sure if those are true morals as they are doing it so that they don't face punishment rather than doing it based of personal beliefs.
In short I don't know.
Cannibalism is wrong although I could understand if people did it as a last resort. Utilitarian-wise, it satisfies ones primal urge for food and it reduces competition, however, that doesn't mean they'd be morally right to do so.
I personally don't think always acting on your urges is a good way to live. It leaves little satisfaction and usually has big consequences in the long run.
>>24088825
>it's a good job you're ancestors didn't have that attitude or you probably wouldn't be hear now
Whether it's a good thing I'm here is debatable. Some people would rather I'm not and vice versa.
>you seem to believe that even the people who commit the worst attrocites are deep down doing it for good reasons, and are good people... that there are no 'bad' people
There are no bad people as there are no good people, there are just people who make good or bad decisions at the time. People can change.
>3 hour documentary
forgive me, but I am not going to watch that.
You pay banks to protect your money. When you need money you borrow it from the banks.
Are you not responsible for your money in the first place?
>do you tolerate cake? no! only bad things need to be tolerated
I don't understand? What's wrong with cake?
If you don't like cake don't eat it?
>"all power comes fromthe barrel of a gun" Mao tse tung(communist china leader)
There is someone operating that gun and that person can be persuaded. (until the robots or whatever take over)
Also I'm not communist.
>>24089132
animals have morals
they don't generally eat eachother
mammals care for other pack members
it's inherent
any group of animals that lacked certain morals, like not caring for their babies, or killing their own for food, would die out
why is eating your dead relatives wrong? It's a difficult question to answer, we just know that it is, except in an actual emergency
>Whether it's a good thing I'm here is debatable. Some people would rather I'm not and vice versa.
come on! you are the end result of millions of years of evolution and billions of years of heavy element creation in stars
you are of the best humans that have ever lived
>There are no bad people as there are no good people, there are just people who make good or bad decisions at the time. People can change.
this sounds like dogma, I asked you why you thought this was the case, can you answer that?
>You pay banks to protect your money. When you need money you borrow it from the banks
yes, 3 hours is a bit of a stretch, but it will reveal to you many things about money that you did not know
Do you know what fractional reserve banking is?
>I don't understand? What's wrong with cake?
you do understand excksdeeee
>There is someone operating that gun
yes, but it is the cpacity to do violence whioch forces others to do what you/they want them to do
indoctrinating people into identifying as pacifists is a PSYOPS way of weakening a group of people. Those that will not fight back, are easily controlled
>Also I'm not communist.
communism sounds good to start with, until you realize that there is still a ruling class with extra privileges and better provisions
I think that the idea of equality(racial, gender,orientation, whatever they come up with next) is an attack on the natural hierarchy of healthy societies. e.g. women now have equal pay, yet can still sue for discrimination
there is no proud to promote les croisades ! they was the gophadhers of the nazies this is how i feel and think about them ! the Isis of the christianity !!! with the plus fag bonus = aprouved by the majority of christians !
>>24076817
A strain on Europe, a waste of money and a waste of time.
>>24076817
All except the first one were defeats. Based Salahuddin united the Arabs and drove out the European invaders.
Crusades weren't a Christian vs. Muslim thing. They were an Arab vs. European thing. And the Arabs won.
>>24077638
this. Crusaders were basically european medieval ISIS. of course /pol/tards would support them, they tend to have the same intellect level.
a lot of fag medieval isis with a ffag dod faith aproved by the supreme authority of the chritians ???????
>>24090358
PBUH BROTHER PBUH
>>24089471
>they don't generally eat eachother
They will if they're hungry enough, cats sometimes eat their young.
>why is eating your dead relatives wrong? It's a difficult question to answer, we just know that it is, except in an actual emergency
Maybe it's because treating people like food makes you less sympathetic to them. Which makes it harder to reason with you.
And something that can't be reasoned with is dangerous/feral.
I think people who love dogs and see them as family may have a similar feeling regarding cultures that eat dogs.
>come on! you are the end result of millions of years of evolution and billions of years of heavy element creation in stars
I had no hand in any of this. Am I to take the praise for something I did not do. I am not the creator.
>you are of the best humans that have ever lived
Subjective opinion, apparently society is becoming more and more antisocial and suicide rates of males are increasing.
> I asked you why you thought this was the case, can you answer that?
I'm not sure how I can answer this.
What makes someone a good person? Someone who never does wrong? But that in itself is subjective, so eventually he will do wrong. To think yourself impervious to wrong doing is pride and pride is a sin.
Humans are prone to error however making mistakes is an important part of learning, it's how you improve.
>you do understand excksdeeee
no I don't ;p
>I think that the idea of equality(racial, gender,orientation, whatever they come up with next) is an attack on the natural hierarchy of healthy societies.
I disagree, I think the fact that people are quick to criticise without thinking of the effects that may have is part of the problem. Women calling men pigs, men call women whores.
This is evil, no that is evil. Patience and tolerance are what are needed imo.
>>24090358
>Saladdin
>Arab
He was Kurdish.
No, really-look it up.
ARABS BTFO
DAESH ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>24077700
Nice trips bub.
For what it's worth, I'm very right wing and I browse /pol/ a lot. Also, about the suicide bombers, most of us are upset because we thought we were a more civilized society. Just a little food for thought.
>>24091129
>I had no hand in any of this.
jesus moron, I never said you had somehow controlled all your ancestors and had somehow willed yourself into being
for fucks sake
NO YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BEFORE YOU WERE CONCEIVED(do I really have to say that?)
yet you still carry their genes and blood, THEYU did it, not you
yet you are the RESULT of THEM
>Subjective opinion, apparently society is becoming more and more antisocial and suicide rates of males are increasing.
because of the elites importing millions of third worlders only to our countries and trying to create a no heritage slave race with lower IQ
>What makes someone a good person? Someone who never does wrong? But that in itself is subjective, so eventually he will do wrong. To think yourself impervious to wrong doing is pride and pride is a sin.
you know that the answer is that some people do bad things on purpose
> Patience and tolerance are what are needed imo.
only bad things have to be tolerated, good things are welcomed
people are NOT equal, this is a lie, races are not equal, check google for "racial differences", sexes are NOT equal, check google, gays are not equal to normals, trans are not equal to normals etc etc etc
and NO TWO PEOPLE ARE EQUAL
it IS evil to suggest that a genius(like yourself) is equal to a retard
I got to go now
>>24092090
>talking about equality
>on 4chan
No shit nigger
>>24092496
>nigger
OOOOH OOOUUUCH, OOOH MY SENSITIVE EARSSSSES
AND NO TRIGGER ARNING< OH MY TERRBL TERRRBL PTSD
SHAKING MY HEAD FAMILY TO BE HONEST
SHITLORD
really going now
>>24076817
Genocidal mania on the societal scale.
>>24092090
>jesus moron, I never said you had somehow controlled all your ancestors and had somehow willed yourself into being
I didn't mean to imply that.
>yet you are the RESULT of THEM
I know but surely they are better than me because they made me? They've actually accomplished things where I haven't yet.
>you know that the answer is that some people do bad things on purpose
At the time it might be on purpose but later they may regret it and at that point it becomes a mistake.
>people are NOT equal
I never said people were equal,that would be a boring world. However that doesn't mean we can't work around our differences.
>gays are not equal to normals, trans are not equal to normals
>normals
I don't think that trans are mentally sane however that doesn't make them any less normal and gays, whilst condemned to hell, are only causing problems if you want them to create children.
>because of the elites importing millions of third worlders only to our countries and trying to create a no heritage slave race with lower IQ
spooky
>it IS evil to suggest that a genius(like yourself) is equal to a retard
That is dependant on the circumstances, that person may have better creativity, speed or strength. Or they may be really good at a certain topic.
Besides I'm more likely to think about things than actually do anything so just by doing something they might win.
Neither of us would be much good in a space ship however.
>a genius(like yourself)
I thought I was a moron :^)
Thanks 2beeh fame
>>24076817
>Killing another human being is forbidden in both religions
>Muslims and Christians are both all for it
Proof that humanity is fucking shit and we're no better than animals. We're worse than animals because an animal doesn't torture and devise new exciting ways to murder people en masse.
>>24092660
indeed, during the crusadesm the enemies were respected. not like fuckin abu grahib.
if you look at the art (songs, novels, paintings etc)
there is no such thing as demonization of the enemy. christians and muslims saw each other as a valid opponent.
way better than now
>>24092647
>At the time it might be on purpose but later they may regret it and at that point it becomes a mistake.
oh anon, how deluded are you, or are you a professional level troll?
if so I will rate you 3/10
regreating an action doesn't mean the action wasn't bad, or even evil
>work around our differences.
I'm assuming yuou are an americoon.... affirmative actiojn for foreign people to prioritize them over better qualified natives is an absolute travesty, the firm employing them is harmed, and for every AA hire, some poor well educated, well qualified candidate has to lose out... it is a zero sum game
>Neither of us would be much good in a space ship however.
oh yeah? who invented space ships?
was it abos? polynesians? negros? East Asioans? South Asians? Somalians? Ethiopians?
no, it was the Europeans who invented it, and we invented pretty much 95% of everything you use today... refrigeration, electricity, computers, internet, http, fibre optics, wifi, radio telephony, cars, trucks, motorbiles, planes, etc etc etc tec tetc
you is not moran
probably
we are under psychological attack
try to mitigate the bad thoughts they try toinstill in us
>>24093197
>was it abos? polynesians? negros? East Asioans? South Asians? Somalians? Ethiopians?
lots of those thing were invented by jews. this very site in which you spend your time is owned by an asian man.
without slave labour there wouldn't be the thing you call progress.
>>24093411
which of those things, specifically was invented by jews?
which of those things that I mentioned was invented by slaves?
>>24093197
>doesn't mean the action wasn't bad, or even evil
I never said that the action wasn't bad, I'm saying that the person isn't necessarily bad, especially if they want to repent later for their actions.
>america
Don't you have to prove that you are able to sustain yourself before you live there?
I'm not not from Clapistan, I'm a Britbong.
>no, it was the Europeans who invented it,
I thought it was the russians?
>Europeans who invented it, and we invented pretty much 95% of everything you use today
I do think those achievements are under appreciated by the current generation, however I don't think it's due to brainwashing or whatever, that's just young people being ignorant. It's hard to appreciate things if you never knew what it was like without them, only a couple of hundred of years ago we didn't even have basic plumbing.
>probably
thanks
>we are under psychological attack
I doubt it but if it was really the case then there is not much you can really do. Other than teaching people, I mean the key is knowledge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df4if0gjGqU but since they supposedly "control the media" they're going to reach more people than you.
>>24093564
>which of those things, specifically was invented by jews?
physics, algebra and astronomy were actually invented by middle eastern. the most renowned scholar in the history physics is a jew, Einstein.
Mathematics and agronomy were greatly developed by arabs; only an ignorant fool (or a /pol/ sucker) wouldn't acknowledge it.
>which of those things that I mentioned was invented by slaves?
for your pc to work, you need silicon, extracted by often underpayed miners. it is like this since the construction of the pyramids or even before.
>>24093659
>if they want to repent later for their actions.
repentance MEANS admitting that what you did was bad
>Clapistan, I'm a Britbong.
ama breitbong also, I thought clapistan was a euphomism for britaon
>I thought it was the russians?
all the space resarch programs in the US and USSR come from captured natsoc german tech, and was worked on by german scientists
> that's just young people being ignorant
are students taught that europeans created nearly everything?
Or are they taught that europeans are evil and nasty and exploited and genocided the rest of the world, and any good that they did do in the colonies(such as roads, hospitals, schools, universsites etc) were just a drop in theocean compared to how much damage they caused?
seems a bit biased to me, almost as if the powers that be wished to instill in Europeans a sense of inherited GUILT, a complec if you will
kek at video
you don't think we are under attack? tell me a White country that is still projected to be majority white in 100 years, AND tell me a non-White country that is predictred to be non majority njon-White in the next 100 years
>>24093694
>physics, algebra and astronomy were actually invented by middle eastern. the most renowned scholar in the history physics is a jew, Einstein.
>Mathematics and agronomy were greatly developed by arabs; only an ignorant fool (or a /pol/ sucker) wouldn't acknowledge it.
those things
>THOSE
>THINGS
are you fucking stupid?
you deliberately looked at THE LIST of things I claimed as European inventions, then decided that NONE of those things were invented by NON EUROPEANS, then decided(in your tiny brian) to claim OTHER inventions, NOT ON MY LIST, and use that INFO, to try to REBUT my CLAIM that ALL of the ITEMS I listed on my LIST were invented by EUROPEANS
Jesus, did you even TRY to make a FUCKING EFFORT? RETARD?
I don't know much about the Crusades..
>>24093942
to be precise I'll explain to you as talking to a 4 year old. you said:
>refrigeration, electricity, computers, internet, http, fibre optics, wifi, radio telephony, cars, trucks, motorbiles, planes,
but those things could exist withou what I put on the table? mathematics, algebra, physics, astronomy. all reatly developed by middle eastern/jews, as I said in my comment.
It's not that hard to understand sir.
>>24094054
ok, I have no idea about the extent to which the claims you make are needed in the claims that I made, this is immaterial... since the science you claim was invented by middle easterners WAS AVILABLE, and the inventions I list in MY cliams WAS NOT available, my statenment is still completeltly and TOTALLY TRUE
and your claim was merely an attempt to discredit my claim without disproving it(because you culdn't)
therefore, I am prefectly entitled to consider my claim unrebutted, since you didn't even dispute a single item on the list of claims that I made
I won't call you a retard again in this post, just dishonest
>>24094054
>mathematics, algebra, physics, astronomy
and medicine
>>24094201
why dishonest? as a matter of fact the things you mentioned couldn't exist without THE centuries of knowledge that I was talking about.
you study stem i guess. your way of reasoning is narrowly scientific
>>24094631
what alternative to science do you propse to use?
the point I am making, which I am compltely sure you cannot fail to appreciate, is that the inventions I mentioned were made by Europeans
what other inventions, theories, discoveries and such, whilst you may claim them as contributary factors, you can NOT claim that because invention x required invention y, invention y invented invention x
I know that you know this
I know that you are not a COMPLETE imbicele
My statement stands, unless you cn rebut
and if you could rebut, you would have done so, instead of obfuscating and claiming prior inventions entitle you to claim the inventions on my list
given your claimed inventions, whether true or not, you still do't get to claim inventions based on your claimed inventions were invented by your group
this is elementary science, and I know you are not stupid enough to really believe that a subsequent invention is really the invention of a preceding scholar
you aren't mad, are you
>>24095158
I really should go to bed arab bro
