This misconception that moe shows are a recent thing needs to stop. I was watching them years before you even knew what anime was.
When one of them actually caught on in the west (K-ON) I immediately knew we were in trouble because annoying people had now "noticed" moe and were going to start spreading their bullshit.
My question for you is this: What is the answer to my question?
>>531144
>What is the answer to my question?
Yeah Haruhi basically invented moe years before K-On! and ruined anime for good
>>531170
No, Haruhi was never seen as a moe show. People liked it for the bait and switch where it's actually this crazy thing about God and aliens.
>>531179
What about Lucky Star? Can we blame Lucky Star?
>>531182
I was thinking about it and I believe Lucky Star actually is the show that caused the word moe to catch on in the west. Yet, I don't think it's often targeted for hate.
>>531182
>blame
Are you implying this trend of adoration for cute things is or has been a negative phenomena within mainstream media?
>>531144
Don't give them any attention, OP. It's just the kind of casual from /v/ who just got into anime because of an action show being angry because he isn't the only one being pandered to.
"Moe anime" is in a sense not real, and does not exist. That's because the idea of "moe anime" that most people have is a jumbled collection of misconceptions, hysteria, neuroses and rumors that doesn't actually describe anything real. If you were to believe some of these people, K-On's characters are in elementary school, there is a male protagonist, and the show is full of fanservice.
And then people complain shows like K-On make up the majority of modern anime when in fact it's just a couple of shows a season. People who don't even watch anime complain about "moe anime" day in and day out without even knowing what it is. That's the power of memes.
>>531279
Pretty much. Certainly, there are shows about young girls in school who don't do a whole lot, and there have been for many years (I don't know where it first started, but I do know it's been around a lot longer than people think). But most people have no idea what those shows are actually like.
I don't think the phrase "cute girls doing cute things" even started getting passed around until K-ON.
>>531291
It's a bad phrase because it gives a misleading impression of these shows. They aren't doing "cute things" per se, they are living out daily lives and pursuing specific activities. Some shows lean more towards drama (Hanayamata) and some are really just comedies (Nichijou).
>>531304
True, it annoyed me from the start. I always preferred slice of life because it was a good description, but people stopped using it for some reason.
>>531310
There is no damage that needs controlling.
>>531311
Sure thing dumb manchild
>>531313
It's my job to fight against degeneracy on 4chan
>>531316
Nobody asked you, kid.
>>531316
>fight against degeneracy
>on 4chan
You might as well be fighting to make water not wet.
Anime turns boys into pussified nu-males and gives them unrealistic ideals of beauty.
It also makes them develop despicable fetishes and in worst case turns them into traps or fags.
Anime is mainly a problem ruining japanese population turing men who should work or start a family into worthless NEETs.
Moe might have existed for decades, but it has never controlled fans s much as now.
There is also a separate and younger problem of waifuism, which started as a joke, but has now grown into full blown mental discorder, tons of anime each year are made just to sell merchandise to horny otaku and so they can fight which blank personality bimbo girl is the best.
Anime and especially moe fans deserve no respect.
>>531324
>moescum playing the victim
Classic, you have completely taken over the board and now you act oppressed.
>>531325
>degenerate thinking 4chan is his safe space
>>531144
>no facial features besides bug eyes and a line for mouth.
People find this attractive?
>>531331
>Anime turns boys into pussified nu-males and gives them unrealistic ideals of beauty.
>It also makes them develop despicable fetishes and in worst case turns them into traps or fags.
You are extrapolating way too much from idiots on 4chan.
A psychiatrist who once studied (Japanese) otaku concluded that they are sexually ordinary.
>Anime is mainly a problem ruining japanese population turing men who should work or start a family into worthless NEETs.
Japan's low birth rates are due to many factors, some of them common to all industrialized nations. A small minority of hardcore otaku are irrelevant, and people who get really into otaku culture are nerdy in the first place, not average joes who fall from grace after being exposed to Lucky Star.
Being an otaku also doesn't mean being a NEET. NEET means someone who isn't employed or studying.
>There is also a separate and younger problem of waifuism, which started as a joke, but has now grown into full blown mental discorder, tons of anime each year are made just to sell merchandise to horny otaku and so they can fight which blank personality bimbo girl is the best.
It's not a mental disorder. Otaku can tell the difference between reality and fiction better than anyone else.
Anime isn't made to sell merchandise, merchandise is a by-product.
Moe is not about "horniness," it's primarily a romantic emotion. You are just projecting here.
Anime characters don't have "blank personalities."
>Classic, you have completely taken over the board and now you act oppressed.
Oh no, moe has allegedly taken over a totally inconsequential off-topic hidden board (not that it actually has).
>degenerate thinking 4chan is his safe space
You must be new here. Have you even taken a look at the board list?
>>531347
>extrapolating
No, I'm not, I have read enough cases of people changing their sexual orientation of preferences from this site, I have almost fallen into it myself.
>otaku are sexually ordinary
What exactly did he mean by that? That they are heterosexual?
Of course anime is not the only cause of decline of Japanese men (there are also video games), but it is still a problem affecting their society that could start growing.
>Being an otaku also doesn't mean being a NEET
High percentage of the probably are, although on the other hand, only small part of NEETs are otaku.
>waifuism is not a mental disorder
Depends on how seriously people take it.
>Otaku can tell the difference between reality and fiction better than anyone else
Really? How?
>Anime isn't made to sell merchandise
>Anime characters don't have "blank personalities."
Not all of them, but many are definitely made to sell toys and body pillows and most girls from average waifu shows are treated as nothing but fap bait.
>moe has allegedly taken over a totally inconsequential off-topic hidden board
I have seen it, there was a much wider variety of anime discussions on this site, but in the last years, overwhelming majority of threads are waifu and moe circlejerking with a few current show generals.
>You must be new here
No, this place his just changed and people have grew up.
>>531331
>>degenerate thinking 4chan is his safe space
normalfag thinking 4chan is his safespace
>>531358
>I have read enough cases of people changing their sexual orientation of preferences from this site
>this site
Exactly.
>What exactly did he mean by that? That they are heterosexual?
That they are ordinary heterosexuals.
>decline of Japanese men
You try getting interested in marriage and children when you spend every waking hour working.
>it is still a problem affecting their society that could start growing
You are imagining it to be a problem because your anti-moe hysteria has turned psychotic.
>Really? How?
By being able to tell the difference.
>Not all of them, but many are definitely made to sell toys and body pillows and most girls from average waifu shows are treated as nothing but fap bait.
Again: merchandise is a by-product.
There are no "waifu shows" and there is no such thing as "fap bait."
>I have seen it, there was a much wider variety of anime discussions on this site
>but in the last years, overwhelming majority of threads are waifu and moe circlejerking with a few current show generals
Are we talking about this board, this site, or /a/?
If moe triggers you then don't go to /a/. Anime communities are completely worthless anyway no matter what they are talking about.
>No, this place his just changed and people have grew up.
So you are new and haven't looked at the board list.
>>531333
Yes. I wonder what fucked up shit you find attractive.
>entertaining trolls
The thread was already summed up in this post: >>531169
If you can't read the comic, it basically highlights how pervasive group conditioning is and the power of association attributed to mere names and labels. You're going to get morons who judge without experience of knowledge of the thing, purely based on their judgement of how others have or may react to the name or label, and find this appeal to the masses as a fair and valid judgement of said thing.
These individuals don't care about reality, they just want to appease their own internal narrative because it makes them feel more secure about greater aspects of their world view. It is basically a knee-jerk reaction as a form of intellectual metabolic balancing: inconsistencies in their world view can possibly result in cognitive dissonance and instead of analysing these inconsistencies, which would require effort and perhaps make one feel uncomfortable, they'd rather stick with the herd opinion and not have to worry about potential introspection.
Why anyone is bothering to entertain the what basically boils down a troll, in this thread, is beyond me. They aren't going to listen or care.
>>531333
I agree anon; we should definitely post more.
>>531377
>>531379
>>531381
>>531385
>>531390
>>531397
>want to become
Not thanks, I'd rather hug then often and fuck them from time to time.
>>531398
>not wanting to be a little girl that does those things
Wow bro.
>>531424
I don't need to fit into the newer "I want to be a little girl" meme like some desperate /a/utistic manchild. It's retarded and stems from newfags idolising moot when he went through his mini faggotry phase. It's like pretending that traps aren't gay or something. It's not amusing. ちょっとベタだから
>>531429
But traps aren't gay.
if you're attracted to them and they look girly, it's not gay because being attracted to girls is straight
>>531429
Thinking it's a meme is your first mistake. Girls are just plain better. Why wouldn't you want to be one?
>>531446
because girls are dumb
>>531444
That depends entirely on the reason WHY you are attracted to them. If it's solely because you think they look like a girl and you wouldn't be attracted to them if they took off their clothes, then sure, it can be argued that you are straight. But if the fact that they're a trap is part of the appeal, or if gender doesn't affect your attraction, then yeah, you are gay or bisexual or something.
>>531446
Probably because girls are completely fucked in the head? Sure, maybe if you could be a 2D girl, which is as perfect and sane as the artist and writer want them to be; but I can't imagine why I'd want to give myself bipolar disorder.
Just found out the Strawberry Marshmallow director did Wixoss. Gotta try that sometime. And yes I know it is obviously something completely different with a different writer, but a good director is a good director. And I like Okada anyway. And if you're about to insult me for liking Okada, then fuck you, I don't care.
>>531453
Your never gonna get a qt anime waifu with that kind of attitude
>>531144
Moe is not a new thing, but K-ON really helped spreading it across the board.
>butthurt pedos spamming the thread
How predictable
>>531627
What does pedophilia have to do with this?
>>531398
which marshmallow wud u fuk
>>531398
>fuck them from time to time
Fuck off, you pedophile piece of shit
>inb4 "it's not pedophilia... it's lolicon b-baka~"
>>531646
I didn't realize anime characters are real people now.
>>531394
LITERALLY the same face
>>531776
Are you blind?
>>531654
Thanks for proving my point
>>531842
If you think anime characters are real people it might be a good time to talk to a psychiatrist.
Moe anime is defined by the fact that there's no romantic content. No man will steal your precious waifus.
Moe anime:
>cute girls doing cute things
>no romantic content
>>531863
>>531888
Nice trolling, 10/10.
>>531646
>Fuck off, you pedophile piece of shit
Cry more faggot. Got a little sister? I'd fuck her too.
>>531947
please answer my question, inquiring minds want to do
>>531952
What question?
>>531944
>It's trolling because I don'r agree with the facts he's laying down
>>531966
No, it is trolling because you is posting retarded infographics that as on the same level of detachment from reality as the infographics /pol/tards spam.
>>531968
nah, it's accurate, reddit
>>531968
Isn't it weird that infographs are mainly posted by weebs and /pol/?
>>532015
There's a lot of overlap between the two groups.
>>531968
Moe is detached from reality, so...
>>531975
Having sex with a little girl is basically rape. I seriously hope you aren't considering this.
>>531975
美羽、千佳、茉莉とアナちゃんだと思う。
でもセックスと言わればそういう場合とは納得していることが分かったりして望むなり求めるなり感じがしたといっていたそうですよね。例えばこの状態になる:http://nhentai.net/g/118142/
愛が必要 そして楽がよい
>>532318
For those who can't read this, the answer is Ana.
>>532319
>Ana
>美羽、千佳、茉莉とアナちゃん
>>532321
Trolled.
>>532323
Acting like a retard after being called out isn't "trolling", it's damage control, manchild.
>>532324
>>532324
trolled H A R D
>>531888
>some autistic moeshitter was butthurt enough to make this
>>531144
What the fuck is that awful creature? That is not even cute That looks retarded and disgusting
>>532328
poo in loo
>>532327
Funny, I could pull out an even more autistic infographic made by some vindictive anti-weeb and you would go dead silent. Nah, you'd probably accuse it of being false flagging or something, wouldn't you? Because that's your game.
Moeshit fans ruined /a/ period.
>>532319
The artbook that image comes from predates the introduction of Ana into the series. At the end of the book he hints at in later chapters published in Dengenki Daiou that a new character (ana) will be introduced. The design on that page is actually based off Miu, in fact Ana is basically a morphed version designed from Miu with longer, straight hair.
Pic is the page if you want to read it for yourself. The Miu/Ana relation isn't mentioned in this artbook, though. He wrote about elsewhere.
>>532325
>>532326
>coming to an unlisted board and acting like a teenager
What the fucking point?
>>532328
>That is not even cute
Get your eyes checked mate.
>>532332
We were here long before you, kid.
>>532334
>getting trolled hard
what le h*ck duge
>>532341
>unrealistic
So you're looking at a cartoon expecting realism? Huh.
>>532341
lol, just lol . . . . . . . fugging eoic
>>532336
>this is what moetrash fans believe
Most moeshitters came here after the great 4chan turnover in 2008
>>532353
who are you le quoting XD
>>532353
>2008
The anime of Strawberry Marshmallow began airing in 2005. Even the most casual of moe enthusiasts were here at 4chan's inception.
>>532358
No
>>532359
Oh, nice comeback. Alright then. From now on, no matter what you post, I'm going to respond to it with "Wrong." Since apparently that's allowed.
>>532364
Alright, but that's not what I was arguing. The point is that we were here from the start. And quite frankly, "waifu shit" is not the same as moe. Those people are on that board for a different reason and I hate them just as much as you do.
>>532365
Yeah I know moe and waifu fags are different people, even though there definitely is some overlap.
Moe is not a new thing and it always might have fans, but they really started getting vocal in the last few years.
>>532367
I blame that on false flaggers from /pol/.
>>532361
>I don't expect children look like deformed retards
That's hilarious. Have you ever actually SEEN a child before?
>>532327
>if people don't accept all of my misinformed bullshit without question, they're butthurt and autistic!
>>532374
u're anigger L
M
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>532375
Stop shitposting in this great thread you stupid retard.
>>532376
FINALLY, someone says what we've all been thinking. Laying down the law!
MLP is a single show and involves animals. At the most basic level bronies have the same impulse as moe fans, but the only reason people keep trying to draw a connection between bronies and moe is guilt by association. They can't attack moe directly because they wouldn't be able to come up with any arguments, so they instead try to associate it with bronies and capitalize on people hating bronies.
>>532575
>all this denial
>>532583
>all of this baked alaskan salmon
>>532584
>all this big guy
>>532590
>all this for you
>>532583
What was I denying?
>>532318
>美羽、千佳、茉莉とアナちゃんだと思う。
それ、子供なら誰でもいいってことね
最低だ
>>532361
>implying cuteness isn't objective
You really want to go down that route, do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny
This makes your position even less tenable.
>>532614
Not all kids, anon. There are plenty of fat, ugly, horrible little shits out there, 2D and 3D. Only interested in the adorable idealistic ones that make the penis in my heart throb. Hence the medium bias.
I'm a man of culture, after all.
>>532907
Now to figure out why Captain Earth used this word.
>>532910
>When a character gains/uses their Livlaster for the first time a recorder is heard play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
Probably related to human growth, the fact that those characters can uncap the implied inherit and limitless power from this ability, and the relation between youth and boundless energy. That and 榎戸洋司, like a lot of Japanese writers who have been involved in writing more sci-fi/mecha type stuff, they tend to throw in a lot of "English" words for appeal. I mean, look at Eva. The title alone.
>>532934
That makes sense. I think this guy just likes English stuff in general. So many Shakespeare references in that show.
The real problem that nobody seems to complain about is the huge influx of shitty light novel anime. I'm not sure when this started, but suddenly every asshole decided they could write some awful school battle harem whatever nonsense and a bunch of them started getting anime adaptations on top of that. It wasn't Haruhi, because that show was ten years ago and I don't remember many light novel anime besides it for a while. I'm thinking it was the fault of Oreimo. It was only after that show that I started seeing all these dumbass LN premises with really long titles because the author is probably brain damaged and thinks that kind of thing is funny. Back in the day, LN anime was in lower quantity and higher quality, like Strawberry Panic and Dirty Pair. You'll notice neither of these have stupid long names.
>>533377
Cry more you little faggot or learn the language and watch whatever you want, whenever you want without having to wait on whether or not it is popular enough for people to fan translate it.
There is that much anime every season that your complaint is fucking irrelevant. Eat shit EOP.
>>533382
You sound pretty insecure. Your response has jack shit to do with that post and nobody was attacking you. But perhaps I should, you pathetic little manchild. Grow up and leave your mother's basement sometime. You'll find there's more to life than whining at people on the internet.
>>533383
>You sound pretty insecure.
I'm not the one crying over a non-issue.
>Your response has jack shit to do with that post
Read the post and the post it was in response to.
>You'll find there's more to life than whining at people on the internet.
Take your own advice and stop complaining about non-issues like an entitled little cunt.
>>533388
Shut the fuck up, you autistic pissbaby. You literally threw a tantrum over EOPs which has ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING to do with the post you responded to. And then on top of that you said some bullshit about fan translations when everything gets official translations anyway. You are genuinely fucking retarded and the world would be better off if you dropped fucking dead.
I'm kinda glad that /a/'s elitism is the way it is, holy shit those are some terrible opinions in here.
>>531182
blame 80s bishoujo, now is decades old you nonce
>>533446
>Braindead
>Elitist
Pick one.
>>533512
There's really no reason you can't have both.
I've been watching Moe since KyoAni invented it in 2007.
Look at this. This is literally every show that aired in the year 2002.
There just plain was not much anime back then. There's a ton now. Of course there's going to be more from each genre. That's how the concept of quantity works. There's like 30 things airing this season, IIRC.
Reddit is where you can have serious discussion. 4chan is just for shitposting.
>>535623
3/10
>>536106
*grabs 3 and molds it a bit*
8/10
>>535623
4chan used to be the place to discuss the latest and greatest, the cutting edge.
Now its a dumping ground.
>>537351
Oh, 4chan is certainly still a place for edge.
>>537355
FIVE STAR POST NIGGA
>>535623
The sad thing is I think a lot of 4chan users actually do this. I think they're also the ones obsessed with reddit because they're reddit experts on spotting reddits, being from reddit and all.
>>531144
The volume of now has increased over the years. It's not a niche anymore.
>>537509
>mfw you think moe was ever a mere niche
>>533377
People complain about LNs all the time, but it's just another meme. In recent years there's been more manga adaptations and more original shows than there have been LN adaptations, and not every LN adaptation is automatically bad either.
I blame One-Five Marshmallow.
I want to pound Ana in the butt.
>>531654
>If I fap to yaoi it isn't gay because they're drawings
o i am laffin
>>537635
True, but this trend of "Don't Ever Talk To Me Or My Sister's Childhood Friend Ever Again" is a pretty recent thing. I cannot think of a single one with that kind of title before the Oreimo boom in 2010.
>>533377
>The real problem that nobody seems to complain about is the huge influx of shitty light novel anime
There has ever only been like max 5 fucking shows a season being LN adaptations. People who complain about LN adaptations like as if there is a lot of them, are just as retarded as people who bitch about moe.
>>540337
It's a lot more than there has been previously. In the past, entire years would pass without any LN adaptations.
>>537522
It was only added to the 大辞泉 in 2005 and was a niche during the 90s which was not widely referred to as 萌え until the early 2000s. It also took up to 2013 to gain mainstream recognition. The concepts involved aren't niche because they are directly related to human biology and have been expressed in art for thousands of years, but "moe" as a "thing" really was a niche production and has only been accepted into common usage very recently.
Using your insinuated reasoning, you can say that pulp fiction has been a thing since the printing press became widely accessible, due to the constituent conceptual framework and practice being involved. It would be quite right to call such an argument fucking stupid in the same manner your smug greentext is fucking stupid.
The long and short of it is that you are acting smug about something you don't seem to understand at all, which is pretty typical of an /a/utistic manchild.
If you want to learn about it instead of acting like a smug retard, research the following phrases:
萌えの語源歴史
オタクの迷い道
萌え日本史
萌え現象
Why is this thread on /qa/? I think it would fit more on /a/ in my opinion.
>>531331
There's no evidence that supports these claims. All you have are correlations.
Unemployment is higher in the US than Japan and there's less anime penetration in the US.
>>541291
>replying to a post containing the word "degenerate" with anything but memes
>>541306
This.
>>540850
Face it, you got mad because someone you posted an anime you didn't recognize and tried to outweeb them. But anyone who's been an anime fan for more than a week knows you typed a whole bunch of nonsense and hoped nobody would notice.
