Is there any interest in a /leftypol/?
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/pol/ is too right wing and anything considered 'leftist' is shilled and shitposted too hard.
Can we have a gommie board pls Mr Mook?
>we can't outsmart on arguments the opposition
>better have a new board for us instead of stepping up our game
>>452833
you already have /int/
>>452840
>/int/
>gommie
try to make a thread like that on /int/ and you'll get btfo
that's not right wing
that's reactionary dope
>>452838
It's not so much the case of left vs right. It would be more about another perspective. Like it or not, a lot of /pol/ are on autopilot these days.
>>452844
I like how you try to argue when you are wrong by using /pol/ in the first place.
Go have a hobby or something.
>>452842
just how pathetic are you to get btfo by a reddit containment board
>>452852
>reddit containment board
>>452846
Like lurking the /qa/ section of a Mongolian knitting forum?
>>452833
no, go back to 8gag
>>452838
Logical arguments don't work with /pol/ types. Logic is just algebra of facts after all, and any facts that can't be used to support /pol/'s agenda are dismissed as being invalid or part of a SJW conspiracy.
>>452838
Keep telling yourself that.
>>452949
"facts"
Please make a /leftypol/, or at the very least: a news board that is politically neutral
Plenty of people argue on /pol/ already, but we dont want a board for arguments with the majority of the userbase disagreeing with us, we want a board where we can cirlcejerk just like stormfags can.
>>452959
You have a neutral board, it's called /news/.
Also a /leftypol/ would be far slower than /pol/.
Its true, you can't talk left on /pol/. And who gives a fuck if its sort of slow; look at the fucking cooking or travel board for Christ sake.
>>452958
Yes, even studies in peer-reviewed journals are rejected based on the idea that the scientific establishment are controlled by SJWs. Which means youtube videos are the most credible, objective source on any issue.
>>452981
"studies"
>>452986
>being this "much" of a massive "faggot"
>>453007
literally you
>>452833
Yes
>>452833
I think this would add some good contrast to 4chan and help get rid of the stereotype everyone on 4chan is a fascist.
I would be a frequent poster at least.
>>452833
I second this, primarily for the massive hurt it would cause /pol/s tender, tender butthole. Kek, those faggots can't stand criticism.
Any leftist discussion on /pol/ would be shitposted to oblivion. /leftypol/ is needed to actually bring some other forms of political conversation to the site. I'm in favour of this.
>>452833
How would you have a leftypol? Just ban any right wing opinions from the board? That's the only way you'd be able to prevent it from becoming another /pol/.
>>453044
>implying there are no leftists on 4chan
>>453044
>implying banning /pol/ would be a bad idea
>>452833
>make this board
>day 1
>/pol/ shitposts, shills and raids to oblivion
>actual users fuck off because it's a shitfest
>the board becomes /b/
>>453066
how progressive and tolerant!
>>453070
one of the very first goals of the board will be to show 4chan that liberals are not leftists
>>453036
>"can't stand criticism"
>wants a board where anyone disagreeing with him is banned because he can't handle the bantz
>>452833
Grow a spine faggot, if you can't take the banter and people challenging your world view to the point you have actually make an effort to defend it through critical thinking.
You want a goddamn hug box, fuck off to some other site if that that's the case.
I support this
What you stormkike faggots need to understand is that we arent SJWs. I mean for fucks sake every three days we have a thread saying "Idpol is breddy shit rite guise?"
>>453082
>wants a board where disagreeing is banned
nobody wants that. people just want a board that is not a nazi masturbation fantasy
>>453085
This is exactly why we want our own board. Do you honestly think that the faggots on /pol/ wont be attacking the board every five seconds? It will be like a moth and a lightbulb.
>"You want a goddamn hug box, fuck off to some other site if that that's the case"
With our own board we can actually answer any questions people might have instead of being shot into oblivion because we are "fucking kikes"
Besides, half the time /leftypol/ cant stop arguing with itself so i doubt that it will ever become a hugbox
You have your /leftypol/ and le funny images of dead pinkos laughing at skyscrapers over at the chan that shall not be named
>>453096
you first
>>453098
some ones a bit spooked
>>453100
>it's the spook autist
>>452833
Yes, all we need is to create a second echo chamber for militant fucks from the other end of the political spectrum. We don't have enough internet activist breeding grounds yet.
>>452949
>logical arguments
>pol
Looks like you have been memed. Stay mad.
>this board gets made
>it becomes another board to blame whatever on
As if /pol/'s mere existence doesn't cause enough butthurt around here. This idea is fucking stupid and such boards exist elsewhere, anyway.
>>453091
If you can't maintain a thread without it being overrun and causing you to give up. Then you sure as hell don't deserve your own board.
>>453085
You wouldn't know what a hugbox was if it came up and fucked your mouth
>>453240
i'm your mother's hugbox
If a leftypol does get made, it'll just be taken over immediately by /lgbt/ and /co/. It would also attract a large amount of people from Reddit.
>>452986
You're just proving my point. You think some random guy on Youtube is more credible than scientific consensus just because you agree with what he says.
>>453044
Actually enforce the "keep /pol/ in /pol/" rule and ban any /pol/-tier posts from other boards. That's the only way for it to function as a containment board.
>>453070
By /pol/'s own logic that they apply to immigrants, /pol/ should be banned. We've given them plenty of time to integrate, which they have made no attempt to do, so it's time for them to go.
>>453082
More like wants a board where any leftist or liberal opinion isn't immediately overwhelmed with shitposting.
>>453245
I don't see how that's a bad thing, if it can be a containment board for those types. /lgbt/ is tired of being used as /leftypol/.
I agree with /leftypol/ just to provide balance too /pol/ who dominate the narrative on 4chan.
Also debating actual politics on /pol/ is fucking tedious as fuck because you will just be actually shitposted off the board with >>>/reddit/ or SPOT THE SJW or Stormfront image dump spam.
I honestly don't get why the right wing get to have their own board because they shitposted /int/ to death with AMIWHITE shit.
>>452949
This desu.
>cite medical sources or statistics
>/pol/ tells me it's a leftist conspiracy
>>452833
this is a bad idea.
i mean one of the main reasons /leftypol/ on 8ch was created was because of the fact that /pol/'s mod's were nazis and decided to censor shit
4chan's /pol/ never tried banning leftists because they're not fucking stupid
>>453363
>4chan's /pol/ never tried banning leftists because they're not fucking stupid
Despite that, it's impossible to have left wing discussion on /pol/ because you will just be shitposted off the board by stormfags.
I think a trial /leftypol/ for a few weeks is a good idea.
>>453363
Why ban people when your users can drown them in ideology
>>453319
By /pol/ logic you should be banned. You have to go back.
>>453044
Tough one. Active moderation I guess. If the mods got ban-happy they'd ruin their own credibility.
>>453511
except this isnt /pol/ bucko
>>453521
Back to le reddit
>>453522
And now we see the classic response of telling someone to go to reddit when you have no more good arguments to make
Well done
>>452833
>tfw left leaning on /pol/ and don't give a shit
If anything the majority will remain on /pol/ just to troll. You're pretty much asking for mods on /pol/ to censor left-leaning arguments just to redirect them to a separate opinions board.
>>453511
Yes, because /pol/ logic is that anyone who disagrees should be silenced or ignored, because it's not free speech if it's "shilling" or "promoting degeneracy".
>>452838
calling each other cucks is outsmarting them?
>>452833
No, fuck off back to your containment boards /b/, /lgbt/ and /mlp/ you worthless faggot.
How about better moderation in /pol/ instead?
We should be able to have a Bernie Sanders thread that isn't full of people shitposting. If you start a Gundam thread on /a/, it's a discussion between people who enjoy Gundam. If someone came in there and started saying "lel fucking gundacucks and your shitty mecha trash" then they would be promptly banned.
>>453729
And in turn pissing off the userbase, making them salty enough to pack their bags and leave for another board? Another site entirely? No, the mods would be committing suicide if they did this
>>453729
>If you start a Gundam thread on /a/, it's a discussion between people who enjoy Gundam.
>>453059
KEK
at most you can say he was authoritarian center
>>453723
>/mlp/
>leftist
>literally have a nazi horse oc
I agree with you though, OP is a massive thin-skinned faggot
>>452833
no fuck off
/pol/ is for political discussion, if there aren't enough lefty fucking shits there to make you feel like you have yet another leftist safe space on the internet, then too bad
there are already a decent amount of leftists on /pol/. legitimate discussion of the economic left is had (the board worships the national socialists of nazi germany for christ's sake). discussion of socially left things are brought up, but almost everyone on the board, even the economic leftists, just doesn't support it. but that's not the fault of the board, or reason to create another one.
>>454066
would also like to add that all the posts ITT saying how leftist discussion is just shitposted to death on /pol/ (which is probably just one guy samefagging considering there aren't that many posters ITT) likely hasn't even used /pol/.
>>454067
It's a fast board, with lots of different discussions. If you only see shit posting it means you probably only open shit posting threads.
Lefty /pol/ would either become a Communism circlejerk or just become Bizzarro /pol/
Either way, Probably shouldn't happen, the great thing about /pol/ is the fact that people of different political opinions can bitch at eachother about which side is the most correct.
>>454134
It won't.
/leftypol/ on 8ch is just endless fighting between anarchists, marxists and reformists, it is definitely not a circle jerk.
>>454052
OP isnt thin skinned, we just want a place thats able to have a genuine discussion of theory without threads immediantly being derailed because we are "fucking joos" and free from Hotwheels fucking our shit up
>>454062
>implying /pol/ isnt a Nazi hugbox that protects them from da joos and niggers
>>454167
>>454171
/pol/ is absolutely not a Nazi hugbox, the only people who think this are those who don't actually use the board and just believe what everyone tells them about it. There is a universal feeling of nationalism for our nations, that much is common in almost every poster, but there are considerably less NatSoc posters than there were a few years ago. Nowadays /pol/ is mostly lolbertarians and neocons.
Gommunist killer 20million people . Jews, kurds, kazaks and russians ...
Why would somebody endorse this?
>>454176
there just weren't enough people browsing at the time you made the thread to keep it afloat and shitpost free. the board just doesn't respond well to leftism all the time. this isn't an exclusive behavior to /pol/ though. i'm sure if i went over to /v/ and started a thread about how much i love like phone games or some casual shit, or /mu/ and how i just can't get enough of nickleback, or go on /a/ and start a thread about how much of a masterpiece naruto is, legitimate in my intents or not, i'd be called a faggot and a viraller and my threads wouldn't go well either.
none of this changes the fact that /pol/ is for politics. there doesn't need to be a board for every school of thought. leftist ones are no exception.
>>454179
This post gave me cancer
>>454178
Nice meme
>>454180
eric simply eric
>>454179
You can't have a board for politics without debate, and you can't have debate without an at least somewhat civil discussion. Which is something hard to come by here on 4chan.
And I maintain that it is almost impossible to reason with someone who has decided that your opinion was false even before you stated it - and this include leftists as much as right-wingers. You can't have one thread implying that the refugees are a threat to the western civilisation (to put it mildly) and another one discussing the International Revulution and structural racism without an hefty dose of shitpost.
>>454183
okay, so if you can't have a debate without at least a bit of civil discussion, what's the point of this proposed board then? you say it's hard to come by on 4chan, but if you were to make another board for this, that would completely isolate both sides, eliminating all possibilites of debate ever happening. it would make /pol/ into a bigger circlejerk, and create yet another internet leftist circlejerk, which we don't need on this site. why? there is no point to that, and only serves to be detrimental.
>>454184
The thing is, and I'm going to get trouble for it, I don't think any discussion can arise without heavy moderation (removing insults, removing low-quality posts, etc...) And that's hardly 4chan's culture.
I think it's better to have a space for discussing between like-minded people - there are many debates between leftists themselves and also between right-wingers. With, of course, the interdiction of raiding other boards strictly enforced.
>>454191
at that point i would just recommend going to a different website. as you said, that's not our culture, anons typically don't react well to being censored. i don't think the potential debate between various shades of left ("95% tax is best!" "nu uh faggot 99% or go home", and so on) is worth making a new board for. it's going to end up a circlejerk, and that's something to try to avoid.
>>454178
they were Russians who cares
>>454051
but he was a leftist
>>452838
Aannd /thread.
>>454244
spamming people and calling them SJWs is not the same as outsmarting them
>>454257
that thread was legendary
We already have a board for retarded communist teenagers.
>>>/trash/
>>452833
Do you know why /pol/ doesn't have any leftists or communists on it?
Because people on /pol/ actually care about politics enough to know communism doesn't fucking work.
Communism and socalism are trap ideologies for collage kids who think politics is trendy.
For the record, we do let National Socalists post because they understand how to make a functioning socalism, but for the most part /pol/ in recent years has been libertarian and conservative.
>>454599
>>Because people on /pol/ actually care about politics enough to know communism doesn't fucking work.
0/10
>>454605
Provide me one example of communism working on a very large scale.
Don't give me the whole "BUT M-MUH COMMUNISM IN MUH HEAD HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED" or "B-BUT THIS ONE PLACE IN AFRICA WITH 20 PEOPLE IS COMMUNIST" either.
>>452840
/int/ is just /pol2.0/ literally because /int/ (and /his/) have the shittiest mods in existence who don't do their fucking job.
/lit/ was the closest to /leftypol/ but ever since /his/ any left discussion has been heavily cracked down upon on that board and /his/ has already become /his/tory themed /pol/ revisionism and thinly veiled race bait threads.
>>454609
This is /qa/ /pol/faggot. I'm not going to get into an argument with an ignorant /pol/faggot who won't ever pick up a fucking history or political science book.
>>454151
8ch /leftypol/ is whining about identity politics, throwing huge swaths of Socialist thought out the window because it doesn't mesh with Gamergate faggotry and mods who ban literally anyone that disagrees with them on any topic.
i discuss lefty shit on /pol/ all the time and don't get blown the fuck out because i'm not a retard that makes bait-tier posts and can't back up their arguments.
it's not your views it's your constitution, in other words git gud and /pol/ won't seem so intolerant and scary.
yes people will hurl insults, this happens on every board don't be a bitch.
i bet you're one of the guys who makes a bernie thread and cries when /pol/ calls him a big bad commie, only attempting to back up your claims with rick&morty edits.
>>454617
Yeah nice try /pol/fag.
I've posted LITERAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES on /pol/ and what do you get? "LOL PSYCHOLOGY SCIENCE", "LOL BIOLOGY SCIENCE", "LOL ANTHROPOLOGY SCIENCE", "LOL SOCIOLOGY SCIENCE".
The idea that /pol/ reacts to reasoned arguments and evidence is so hilariously bullshit it's not even really worth considering. /pol/ is so reactionary and anti-intellectual the board doesn't even believe in climate change.
>>454612
8/pol/ does the same shit, it comes with the territory of having user created boards and a global mod team that only cares about cp, leaving the the board owners and their hired goons to moderate how they see fit(seems a lot like reddit from my angle, their non legacy boards like /vvv/ and /xpol/ are pretty good thou)
>>454626
because you likely posted biased sources, or sources from pseudoscientific fields that can be easily discounted(like psychiatry/psychology)
why does it always have to be about convincing people? can't you just discuss a topic without trying to change someone's mind?
>/pol/ is so reactionary and anti-intellectual the board doesn't even believe in climate change.
>the board as a whole doesn't believe in climate change
>not a fringe minority that /x/ told to fuck off
I bet you think the flatpill fags and fringeposters are /pol/acks too.
>>454639
>because you likely posted biased sources, or sources from pseudoscientific fields that can be easily discounted
Yeah, scientific journals are bias for /pol/ because they disagree with stormfaggotry and /pol/faggots preheld beliefs.
>Fields that disagree with me a psuedo-scientific
Says the /pol/faggot that probably holds up racial theory.
>not a fringe minority that /x/ told to fuck off"
Yeah, right, why literally every climate change thread on /pol/ is just denialism and NWO shitposting.
>why does it always have to be about convincing people? can't you just discuss a topic without trying to change someone's mind?
Funny, when us lefties are discussing things ourselves, who comes marching into our threads with low tier bait like "COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED", "MUH HUMAN NATURE", "POINT OUT COMMUNISM THAT HAS WORKED" and then we get Bolsheviks are wall street jew image dumps until we have to leave because it's impossible to continue discussing things in the thread.
The idea that /pol/ has rational and reasoned discussion is absurd.
>>454701
>Yeah, scientific journals are bias for /pol/ because they disagree with stormfaggotry and /pol/faggots preheld beliefs.
pseudoscience is going to get laughed at by anyone that thinks critically, biased sources on the other hand will only get you people that agree with your biased opinion. which is it you're doing? not posting facts, or posting politically charged 'scientific sources'
>Says the /pol/faggot that probably holds up racial theory.
making a lot of assumptions there aren't you?
>Yeah, right, why literally every climate change thread on /pol/ is just denialism and NWO shitposting.
because everything on /pol/ turns into NWO shitposting? the tinfoilers are very vocal over there, learn to ignore them or bow down to your newfound loominati overlords and get good at making paper cranes.
>Funny, when us lefties are discussing things ourselves, who comes marching into our threads with low tier bait like "COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED", "MUH HUMAN NATURE", "POINT OUT COMMUNISM THAT HAS WORKED" and then we get Bolsheviks are wall street jew image dumps until we have to leave because it's impossible to continue discussing things in the thread.
so, you're afraid of having your ideas challenged by things you consider 'low tier bait'? if the bait is so low tier why not refute the central point and tell them to fuck off?
>The idea that /pol/ has rational and reasoned discussion is absurd.\
truly coming full circle now, see>>454617
>>454743
Not the guy you're replying to, but I feel compelled to point out that the 'tinfoilers' are off topic on /pol/ and should be sent to >>>/x/. It's like you're stereotyping all of /pol/ by misrepresenting the worst crossposters from other sites and other 4chan boards as the normal way of things.
>>454746
I'm a lot more /x/ than /pol/ and more left leaning than most of /pol/
/x/ doesn't like dealing with /pol/ either, stuff like climate change and "banks/jews/globalists/sekrit club of the week are secretly pulling the strings" are 100% /pol/ material.
/x/ remains for paranormal and truly out there conspiracy theories that involve the paranormal(flatpill, nephilim shit, etc), but mainly for the spooks.
>>454743
>pseudoscience is going to get laughed at by anyone that thinks critically, biased sources on the other hand will only get you people that agree with your biased opinion. which is it you're doing? not posting facts, or posting politically charged 'scientific sources'
Again,
>Peer reviewed Scientific journals are bias because they disagree with my preheld reactionary beliefs.
Why should I trust /pol/faggots who still hold up 19th century racial theory over thousands of PhD holding scientists?
>making a lot of assumptions there aren't you?
Yeah, because you /pol/fags spread your shitty racial theory bullshit everywhere and the vast majority of threads on /pol/ are related too it in one way or another.
>because everything on /pol/ turns into NWO shitposting?
Yes. NWO, Jews, "SJWs". All terms for the same shit.
>so, you're afraid of having your ideas challenged by things you consider 'low tier bait'? if the bait is so low tier why not refute the central point and tell them to fuck off?
Or how about we've already answered this a trillion times before and you faggots just ignore us and march in with the exact same fucking low-tier bait over and over and over and over again because you just want to derail conversations.
Wow "Communism doesn't work because of human nature" Haven't heard that before, that is a totally fucking unique concept.
>truly coming full circle now
Yeah, I'm going to believe a /pol/faggot pretending that /pol/ actually has reasonable discussion over the hundreds of experiences I've had and pretty much every other left wing person on 4chan and 8ch /leftypol/ has had.
>>454754
>Why should I trust /pol/faggots who still hold up 19th century racial theory over thousands of PhD holding scientists?
I'm saying you shouldn't trust any source with any bias, and if you're posting biased sources prepare to get blown the fuck out.
>Yeah, because you /pol/fags spread your shitty racial theory bullshit everywhere and the vast majority of threads on /pol/ are related too it in one way or another.
>more assumptions about my personal beliefs
>Yes. NWO, Jews, "SJWs". All terms for the same shit.
SJW refers to something very specific, but it does play into that and for the most part I agree.
>Or how about we've already answered this a trillion times before and you faggots just ignore us and march in with the exact same fucking low-tier bait over and over and over and over again because you just want to derail conversations.
then ignore what you consider bait, seems to work for the rest of the webiste.
>Wow "Communism doesn't work because of human nature" Haven't heard that before, that is a totally fucking unique concept.
I've genuinely never heard that, but probably because I don't talk about communism much.
>Yeah, I'm going to believe a /pol/faggot pretending that /pol/ actually has reasonable discussion over the hundreds of experiences I've had and pretty much every other left wing person on 4chan and 8ch /leftypol/ has had.
>outright admitting you're 8gagger trying to expand your hugbox
I'm now done arguing with you, take this as a win or a loss I don't care, get fucked. 8ch is just as bad as leddit and you people should not be given an inch, 4chan will never be your hugbox you communist faggot.
>>454610
If you can't even defend leftist politics why do you want leftypol?
>>454630
/a/ there is ok, it still has the same reddit-y problems and the user base is arguably newer, but at least the mods give a shit and aren't total retards like the rest of the site.
>>454746
If it's political, it's /pol/-related, even if its a conspiracy theory, the alternative is having some guy choosing which beliefs are acceptable and which are not on the POLITICALLY INCORRECT board.
>>454774
Yes, the us leftists are totally shaking in our boots over "Isn't human nature" or "lol u just say communism has never been tried" strawmen.
Oh my god, how have we ever thought of those before. 200 years of philosophical thought, political science and sociology down the drain, /pol/fags have completely debunked one of the single most influential social movements in human history with their totally original ironclad statements. How could us Socialists be so wrong? Praise the free market and 19th century racial theory is absolute fact, I've seen the light, Socialist never thought of human nature, despite the founding fathers of Sociology were Socialists. Fuck me, How could we never have thought of human nature, that Capitalism a system 250 years old is the obvious status-quo for human history that has stretched 40,000 years.
>>452833
It would get memed to death for the first month or so but it'd at least be some good popcorn, even more so when /leftpol/ becomes a new boogeyman.
never the less I think it would be a good addition to the website
>>454599
>>454609
>all leftist political philosophies are idiotic because no successful communist country has ever existed
You do realize this is as nonsensical as claiming the failure of the Third Reich as proof that we should never elect right-wing candidates? Oh wait, of course you don't, because that would require you to have the slightest bit of self-awareness.
>>454767
>I'm saying you shouldn't trust any source with any bias, and if you're posting biased sources prepare to get blown the fuck out.
By /pol/ logic, even objective scientific research is biased (against the outdated pseudo-scientific stuff they believe in) and therefore should be discounted. To them, disagreement is a form of bias.
I think we all know the way to fix /pol/ would be a minimum character count to bump a thread.
>>455001
fuck off you retarded 8gagger, nobody is going to make you a hugbox.
that /hiki/ board sure is working out well, so's that star wars board.
fucking off yourself.
>>452833
Leftists are deluded. It's only natural for them to be shunned by polite society.
>>455136
They are literaly ignoring basic biology and social science.
3 times I have tried to engage debate, 3 times I've been told that I'm a stupid millennial, a Jew, a communist without addressing my points which were that:
1) races are equal
2) nationalism can bring us dangerously close to WW3
3) America is becoming a third-world country by any relevant statistics
4) Europe is not being invaded, all experts and all stats are confirming this.
5) 90% of their news articles come from right-wing version of the Gawker Network.
Your entire ideology is based on the lie that races are not equal. Plus, as a faggot myself, I am NOT inclined to engage with people who think I should be (I quote) "fed to wild animals".
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams
>>452833
You have plebbit already
>>455001
third reich was leftist
>>455149
>I am NOT inclined to engage with people who think I should be (I quote) "fed to wild animals".
It's pretty clear, 4chan is not for you, anon.
>>452833
>>/b/
>there are people on 4chan who unironically are leftists
Please kill yourselves
All political views are welcome on /pol/, we don't need another political board.
As this thread has proven, right wingers are just triggered by fucking left wingers even existing and just spew non-stop lies and bullshit.
Why the fuck did Moot REWARD fucking Stormfags spewing bullshit all over /int/ with their own fucking board, which they used as a staging ground to chase and shitpost everyone they disagree with off 4chan?
>>452833
>/pol/ doesn't have any rules about what your beliefs must be
>you can be left wing or right wing if you want
>/leftypol/ would have exlicit rules about what your beliefs must be
Kind of shows how the left is full of whiny faggots.
>>455573
Oh fuck off, as we have said numerous times, try post left wing shit on /pol/ and get shitposted off the board.
/pol/ for all intents and purposes is /rightypol/Stormfront/
We would have no fucking problem having discussions on /pol/ if we didn't out threads filled with lot quality bait, shitposts and image dumps, but alas being shitposted off the board has been every single one of our experiences.
>>455576
>stormies on /pol/
oh, this meme again...
>>455576
Then try tumblr or any other website on the internet. Hell, hotwheels has a /leftypol/ just go there.
>>455610
that's like equating barneyfag and the ponespammers to the whole of /v/, get better arguments.
Why would you want one, anyway? There are a bunch of places on the internet you can be a leftist scum.
>>455619
There's plenty of places for you stormfags to post your bullshit. Delete /pol/ then.
>>455634
>muh stormfag boogeyman
>>455618
>>455636
Fuck you /pol/fags are such fucking liars. Do you honestly think I can't just look at /pol/ right fucking now and see that 90% of the threads are fucking right wing ultra-reactionary bullshit?
I honestly don't get how you idiots can lie so much with a straight face
>>455636
for something to be a boogieman it cant exist
are you saying there are no significant similarities between /pol/ and stormfront s?
>>455643
are you serious
>>455643
Could my problem be that you /pol/fags shitpost over every single fucking board on this website, derailing literally every topic you faggots post in, that your anti-intellectual dumbshit and pathetic thinly veiled superiority complexs have become the norm for discussion on 4chan, so now you can't even fucking discuss history or philosophy or media or science without it devolving into aggressive try-hard edgy right wing edgelord shit?
Could it be that you /pol/faggots are constant pathological liars and will pretend your innocent little angels in the same fucking thread you faggots are literally shitposting /pol/shit in?
That you're a bunch of hypocritical children, who claim you care about free speech, but then try to shut down anybody that opposes you through your boards users fucking actions? That you constantly spread dox raid shit on /v/ against fucking women because "Waaah they criticized vidya games" that you fuckheads attack even youtube channels that disagree with your fucking pathetic bullshit narrative and try drive the users off the internet?
You /pol/faggots are the most deluded, hypocritical, bullshit fucks on the internet. My god learn some fucking self-awareness.
>>455650
crimea river i guess
>>454936
topple
>>455651
love how /pol/tards do shit like this and then go
"well if ur so confident in your claims then debate us; we're totally open to it"
>>455062
I have no idea what you're talking about, 8gag is literally only good for baneposting.
>>455136
Yes, I am frustrated when people insist that any scientific research that they disagree with is some kind of SJW conspiracy.
>>455195
Nationalism is typically a right-wing concept, and the "socialism" that they engaged in was largely aimed at reducing the rights of workers and destruction of unions. Not to mention that actual leftist socialists were one of the main groups sent to concentration camps.
>>455573
No, the rule would be "no /pol/ tier shitposting", not "no contrary views".
>>455636
The "stormfag boogeyman" was literally made up by /pol/ themselves as a scapegoat to blame whenever /pol/ memes get spammed on other boards.
Why I don't want to post on 8gag.
It's a site run by actual pedos.
It's got an actual pedo board.
The majority of the site is Dark Enlightenment shit.
Majority of the userbase are fucking outright violent sociopaths.
It's servers are unstable as fuck.
8gag's leftypol is socially right wing and reactionary as fuck.
leftypol's mods are a bunch of reactionary cunts who will ban you for
- Espousing any form of Feminist theory
- Accepting Racism is a real issue in society
- Being pro-any level of gun reform
- Criticizing Gamergate on any level
- Disagreeing with any part of the MRA/AvfM narrative
- Accepting Social theory has moved on at all since 1883.
Why the fuck would anyone want to post on 8gag at all is beyond me.
>>455665
>I am frustrated when people insist that any scientific research that they disagree with is some kind of SJW conspiracy.
>"stormfag boogeyman" was literally made up by /pol/ themselves as a scapegoat to blame whenever /pol/ memes get spammed on other boards.
>>455670
Yes, your point is?
>>455665
third reich WAS leftist
>>455659
well if ur so confident in your claims then debate us; we're totally open to it
>>455665
>the rule would be "no /pol/ tier shitposting", not "no contrary views".
these are the same things to you though, creating a hugbox for some crybabies that can't handle /pol/'s hostility will bring nothing good to this site.
>>455699
Oh please, we've debated you morons a trillion times and we always just get bullshit anti-intellectual crap in response.
I mean, my god, people in this very thread alone think Nazi germany was left wing.
Fucking kek.
S U P P O R T
/pol/ is full of reactionary cunts who won't allow any opposition to their moronic politics.
Give us a place to discuss leftism (not liberalism) without idpol (muh white race, muh mens rights).
It would be a huge positive to the site.
>>455744
>give us lefties a hugbox instead of fixing /pol/
It would be cool if we had /right/ and /left/ and /pol/ was refounded as a place free of circlejerking.
But /leftypol/ would be just a containment board, and I fucking hate 8gag's /leftypol/ even though I'm ML, so I don't agree with this idea at all.
>>452833
No. I used the cripple chan /leftypol/ for about a month and it was shit. It would be a useless board woth no traffic anyway, if you want to be a commie, just got to /pol/
>>455696
>if I repeat it enough times, that makes it true!
>>455701
No, /pol/-tier shitposting should be banned on ALL boards except /pol/. That's the only way for /pol/ to function as a containment board. As part of the agreeement, /leftypol/ won't be allowed to shitpost their memes in other boards, either.
>>455752
How do you propose we fix /pol/?
>>455837
you are the only shitposter here
Why do leftyfags shitpost like crazy and proceed to pull the victim card?
>>455848
I'm not the one that goes into other boards spamming "anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" and telling degenerates to kill themselves.
>>452981
It's strange that you would state this, because /sci/ disregards any studies that contradict its baseline views. For example, the multitude of peer reviewed studies done in China and around the world regarding the toxicity of fluoride even in the small amounts present in artificially fluoridated water (as well as water sources with a high fluoride content).
The reality is that both sides of the spectrum are illogical and suffer from confirmation bias regardless of the veracity of the arguments put in place to counter their views.
>>455976
At least we take responsibility for our shitposting and don't blame it all on the stormfront boogeyman.
>>456264
You dont blame it on stormfront for the same reason Obama doesnt blame leftists
>>456291
So you're claiming we're actually secret stormfronters engaging in false flag activities?
>>455702
>National Socialist
>Socialist
>>455667
4chan /leftypol/ will probably be the same thing. Just accept that you're not wanted here, on any imageboard, on any board whatsoever.
/leftypol/ would need a lot of moderation to prevent trolling, so why not start moderating the already existing board /pol/ instead?
>>456303
>secret stormfronters
>secret
nope
>>455702
Nazi germany was left wing
What form of leftism would be enforced on /leftypol/?
Who would determine which opinions are "left-wing"?
>>453319
What defines a "/pol/-tier" post? Please be specific.
>>454174
>/pol/ is mostly libertarians and neocons
Maybe a few libertarians lurking around, but very few neocons. /pol/ is packed with the full gamut of alt-right ideologies - libertarians, nationalists, reactionaries, racial preservationists, Christian traditionalists, and other such types. You'd be hard pressed to find mainstream conservatives, and neocons don't even have a presence.
>>454066
what piss next to him looks old af
>>457151
/pol/
I am all for the idea, not only because I vote left and like communism myself, but mainly because it would strip /pol/ of their unique role in being the only POLITICS board, which pisses the nazis off, which again in turn is pleasing.
Also there would be a space for good discussion as it is the case in /his/. Remember that the advocates for the white supremacy from pol flooded the discussion whether to create /his/ and said it would not be possible or beneficial. They lost there. They just want to push their nazi-glorifying agenda and shut other arguments down.
I only posted an english translation from a german left-wing-artist and the mods deleted it within one minute. They also not interested in any discussion which confronts them with other ways of thinking.
>>452833
/pol/ isn't the right-wing board, it's the politics board. It just so happens that the majority of the users are right-wing.
What, would conservatives be banned?
Shit idea.
>>452838
>we can't outsmart on arguments the opposition
Because obviously the way ideas win on /pol/ is on their merit and logic.
>>452833
Have you tried /reddit/ ? I heard that it's pretty lefty and you don't get flamed for posting your shit there ;)
>>453729
wat
wat
the fuck are you on about ?
>>457272
>/pol/ is a politics board
its called politically incorrect for a reason
Maybe we should have a Politically Correct board
:^)
>>457775
/pol/ is always correct
>>455149
>1) races are equal
In what regard? In terms of rights to be given? Physiologically? Mentally?
>2) nationalism can bring us dangerously close to WW3
As can socialism, or democracy or anything that falls within the realm of mankind's ability to not be perfect and there being more than 1 nation on earth.
>3) America is becoming a third-world country by any relevant statistics
The poor are literally better off than any point in history in this country according to every single statistic and barometer. This is the greatest time to be alive when weighed against the entirety of human history bar none. Have fun with your isolated cases like NHS cases gone wrong in the UK or people dying in waiting rooms though, just keep their occurrence rates in perspective.
>4) Europe is not being invaded, all experts and all stats are confirming this.
Clarify your use of the word invaded. I daresay it has been used as a lazy mans memeword for "demographic shift" is occurring at "exorbitant rates" which will lead to conflict.
>5) 90% of their news articles come from right-wing version of the Gawker Network.
Any thread i've ever seen citing shit like infowars etc is almost always asked for a "real site" and they are usually followed up by huffpo/nypost and in the case of foreign links they are generally mainstream news sources.(This of course excludes the breitbart spam that has been going on for what 5+ months now)
You should be fed to wild animals because you are too lazy to sufficiently back your convictions and beliefs and instead roll over and complain to whatever ear will hear you.
>>452833
/pol/ was originally meant for political discussions of all types. It just so happens that there aren't nearly as many hubs of far-right discussion online as there are hubs of far-left discussion; this is because it tends to be more socially acceptable to be a far-left extremist than a far-right extremist.
4chan offers people with extreme far-right views a place to express them anonymously, without all the risks involved with attaching a name to these opinions, especially since some countries (read: Canada and most of Europe) have laws against "hate speech", which is really just another way of saying that they support the suppression of free speech.
People with far-left views typically don't have this problem, because their views are seen as being more socially acceptable, and well, legal. There are some oddball cases like Russia where you can get in trouble for supporting gay rights, but for the most part, you can safely attach a screen name to your far-left views without any negotiable consequences.
Me, well, I don't really fit anywhere on the political spectrum. I'm a believer in free speech and individualism, but I don't blindly follow the dogma of either side. I do lean to the left in some ways, but not in all.
What's my point exactly? We don't need /leftypol/, because /pol/ isn't intrinsically a right wing board. It just so happens to have a very far-right userbase. If you want to discuss stuff with other lefties, I dunno, try Tumblr or Reddit.
>>455149
/pol/ consists of retarded mouthbreathers but not because of the reasons you posted
>>457789
>laws against "hate speech", which is really just another way of saying that they support the suppression of free speech.
clueless amerilard
>far-left views typically don't have this problem
far left ideas are even less socially acceptable.
youre probably confusing them with liberal democrats.
>Me, well, I don't really fit anywhere on the political spectrum. I'm a believer in free speech and individualism
enlightened special snowflake, M'sir i tip my headwear to you
>It just so happens to have a very far-right userbase.
it just has an army of unironic shills.
its not about opinions, its about an agenda being forced, thats why oldfag /pol/tards left the board several years ago.
>>452833
No.
And I say this as a strongly left-wing social democrat. The nature of /pol/ isn't fitting for completely serious political discussion and the nature of 4chan means it will always be centred on US politics (do you want your right wing red or blue?)
Besides, the left wing isn't quite as exploitable for humor, especially not politically incorrect humour.
>>452838
You'll just be shitposted into oblivion, this isn't really a valid explanation for why /pol/ is so right wing. That can be explained by a variety of other factors, but the lack of competent left-wing arguments is way down there on the list.
I do argue with /pol/ though, it's a good way to play with ideas and develop counterarguments even if you'll never get someone to concede defeat.
>>455149
>1) races are equal
Trying to argue this on /pol/ is just silly, if the serious racists don't get you the meme-team will.
>2) nationalism can bring us dangerously close to WW3
There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. (WW3 isn't particularly likely anyway, nationalism isn't a monolithic entity and some types - Scottish and Catalan - if anything serve to reduce the risk of war.)
>3) America is becoming a third-world country by any relevant statistics
'Becoming'
There's the pedantic case that America as is too powerful to be 'third world' (It's the sole real superpower), but in terms of treatment of citizens I'd grant that as mild hyperbole.
>4) Europe is not being invaded, all experts and all stats are confirming this.
See reply to (1)
>5) 90% of their news articles come from right-wing version of the Gawker Network.
Very valid point, although most people get their news from shitty sources. (Myself, I barely care about the news and get most of it, amusingly, from /pol/, then untangle the spin to find something close to fact.)
>I am NOT inclined to engage with people who think I should be (I quote) "fed to wild animals".
Learn to handle the banter or I'll eat you myself..
>>452833
What the hell would be the point of /pol/ 1 and /pol/ 2? Just post on /pol/ if you want to talk about politics. This is like claiming you need a MOBA board because they are treated too harshly on /v/, or asking for a closed-source software board because /g/ won't stop "shitposting" at you.
>>453382
You mean it's impossible (read: difficult) to post lies on /pol/. Unless you back up your argument in some way people will criticize it. Stormfags have almost entirely left /pol/ for 8ch, you can tell because they take themselves extremely seriously. People disagreeing with you does not automatically make them Stormfront users.
It sounds like the "shitposts" and "shilling" you're describing are actually friendly people joking around with you and other viewpoints challenging your own. Your only complaint thus far has been "they disagree with me, I need my own board."
>>453906
>Another site entirely?
What's the harm?
Not all users are good users, shit users should be driven away.
>>457815
>it's impossible to post lies on /pol/
>>454599
>they understand how to make a functioning socalism
Invade other countries to grab enough natural resources to keep your pyramid scheme going, then blame your total economic collapse on defeat in the war once you run out of small countries to invade and the big ones kick your ass, instead of accepting you had an inherently flawed economic system?
>>457821
stop arguing ideologies
>>455576
Because you left wingers have proven yourselves and your ideologies incompatible with the human condition.
Leftism is basically the manifestation of impotence and jealousy.
>>457832
china is socialist.
>>457839
and you wonder why /pol/ laughs at you, retard
>>457272
>unique role in being the only POLITICS board
lmao what
>>457765
Reddit is pretty mixed. It's not really left-wing, there's just less blatant neo-nazi shitposting than /pol/.
>>457832
>Jealousy
By dismissing it as jealousy, you're just showing your opinion that those who do have less deserve to have less. Not everyone agrees with that, especially when that inequality is due to unfair circumstances.
>>456919
>Tell me specifically what defines a "Nazi masturbation fantasy"
these SJW fucks think that anything that isn't activly part of an effort to get rid of white people is a part of a "stormfront conspiracy"
>>457918
next you gonna tell me that the U.S. won a war after WWII
>>452833
>Is there any interest in a /leftypol/?
Yes there is.
>>459019
>le smiling gommie
>>459020
>stalin is a communist
nice meme
>>459024
Oh, I'm sorry. Was it not """"""true communism"""""?
Was it one of the many different slightly altered brands of communism?
>>459026
The story goes that leninists believed a stage of state-capitalism is neccessary in order to transition to socialism. Stalin, having no interest at all in communism, took advantage of the state-capitalist mode the ussr was in and used that to be a totalitarian dickhead. This trend is repeated all over the world. The moral of the story: don't trust authoritarians.
>>459029
or more shows that /pol/fags have literally no fucking clue about History.
Stalinism was EXPORTED, any country with a Socialist movement was quickly hijacked by Stalinists with the full backing of the Stalinist Comintern who supplied them aid, KGB assistance and material goods.
There was only one model of "Socialism" even tried really on a large scale in history and that was Stalinism, everyone else that tried to do something different got buttfucked by right wingers or Stalinists.
Saying all Socialism fails because of ONE MODEL of Socialism is retarded, it's basically like saying that all of Capitalism will fail because 19th century protectionism fell too Globalization and countries that try to be protectionist in the 21st century (Venezuela and other developing nations) get buttfucked by global market forces.
I literally don't get why right wing morons can't fucking pick up a history book. Yes, a bunch of countries with the same system failed, but what the fuck does that have to do with all of Socialism especially when Stalinism was a fringe ideology even within Socialism outside of the USSR and Asia?
>>459105
purge yourself, trotskyist scum
>>459105
One of the best examples of protectionism has to be the marshall plan. A way to cuck other countries who owned debt from european countries after the war.
I won't enter details but that turn upside down the modern world for some south american countries who got dictators in power who were allied to Kissinger and now have debt themselves.
/pol/ does not have a monopoly on ideas.
/leftypol/ deserves its own place on the motherchan.
/leftypol/ please
>>452838
first post best post strikes again
>>452833
>Can we have a gommie board pls Mr Mook?
pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afq6Bm_mq3Q
commie board now
gas the ruling class
>>459156
>brainless /pol/tard can't read
lad
I support this idea
It's obvious 4chan needs a leftypol.
Down with the classcucks.
>>459164
thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis
4chan leftypol plzzzzzz
>>459157
>braindead SJW can't think
knew it
>>459170
>hurr! :'(
shhh no tears, only dreams now
>>455667
i shall not rest until karl marx name is cleared
1848 4 lyfe bitch
>>455576
>we
dude it's been you samefagging the entire fucking thread
>>459170
Says the man who thinks the whole world is run by the joos and that some ones religion matters in any way compared to the fact they own us via wage slavery and subsidizing the value of our labor into 1/10th it's total value.
Shut the fug up you classcuck.
>>459175
>le paranoia face
I am deeply interested
Solidarity forever.
>>455667
>8gag's leftypol is socially right wing and reactionary as fuck.
ok, so how the fuck would 4chan's be any different? being socially left wing will never be popular on 4chan, and you don't need a new board to prove that. just use a different website, it's not like the internet is short on liberal hugboxes or anything.
I literally haven't used 4chins in 6 years.
Bringing /leftypol/ on to the board list would bring me back to 4chan.
>>459148
no need my man, you are free to take your ideas to /pol/, the politics board, anytime.
>>452833
You have one already, next to the furfags and horse fuckers.
>>>/trash/
>>459186
>Conflating centralism and leftism
How typical.
>>459178
there's definitely something fishy going on near the bottom of this thread. thread's relatively slow, then all of a sudden a bunch of support posts, all similar to each other in structure, come out of nowhere within the span of half an hour. stinks of samefag.
>>459199
take your meds /pol/, it's just that people are linking this thread in other threads
>>459191
And totally have them shit down, misinterpreted, and saged, by reactionaries and stormfags.
Face it, the reactionary right-wingers have a monopoly over /pol/
>>459199
Nothing to do with this board being hidden and suddenly a post from /g/ brings here right? Monopolist asshole, /pol/ is not the only or the preferred place to talk.
>>459197
honestly, /trash/ wouldn't be a bad place to start a leftypol general if you want one so badly. i'm assuming that if you didn't get your own board, /pol/ wouldn't shitpost in the thread (please don't false flag us) and you guys could circlejerk about refugees and marx in peace there.
>>459203
these posts were not the posts i was referring to
>>457789
>People with far-left views typically don't have this problem, because their views are seen as being more socially acceptable, and well, legal.
Violently and/or radically overthrowing society as we know it, building new and radical institutions from the ground up and declaring war on the bourgeoisie is legal, and socially acceptable broheim? Pop that bubble you're livin' in.
>>459204
1. how am i supposed to know that someone redirected /g/ here?
2. talk about what? politics? yes, /pol/ is the only place to talk about politics on 4chan.
>>459205
>not the posts i was referring to
Link them
>>459205
thats actually a good idea. We could use /trash/ as a mother board untill we get an actual /lpol/
>>459209
Implying it is true, the only way you know that is you being an admin.
FUCK YOUR CORRPUPT BEHAVIOR ON 4CHAN
>>459213
Nice false flag. NO.
>>459210
this is the worst post i've seen all day
you're a neckbeard on an anime imageboard, you aren't revolting against shit
>>459220
>implying I have a beard
Authoritarian shit off you go.
>>459176
says the "man" who wants a special board just for him because /pol/ was too harsh on his boipucci
>>459205
>Trying to shove us into some marginal arena.
Fug off, man.
>>459221
after you, gommie
>>459221
>anyone who opposes my hugbox is a scary authoritarian
>implying /lpol/ won't be an authoritarian shithole where only leftist ideas are welcome
you're just like that tard begging for wizchan-lite, he's loving his board ;^)
>>459223
Not him but /pol/ is ''Politically Incorrect'', who do you think it attracts the most? Edgelords. Going there to argue is like going to /a/ to argue against japanese animation.
>>459224
you could have something, or you can have nothing, you're only spiting yourself here.
>>459228
this
>>459228
I think the name is more or less a joke.
>>459229
What is half of nothing?
>>459228
how is being extremely pro-establishment "edgy"?
>>459233
But it isn't anymore.
>>459228
then maybe you should make a bid for a srsbuisiness politics board, making a breeding ground for any one ideology to fester on indefinitely is a bad idea.
isn't that sort of what /news/ and /his/ are thou?
pic related why /pol/ is rightwing now, once they're sick of whoever wins this election their views will change.
can't say the same about stormies and 8/pol/ thou, because they're actually a rightwing hugbox(and creating a leftypol here would just make the stormies foothold in /pol/ even more cemented).
>>459228
I have asked this before, but why did moot name the board ''Politically Incorrect''? I thought he didn't like these people and yet he gives them a board with a name they'll love?
>>459238
True, it gained his own reputation and now is an unusable circlejerk.
>>459242
yeah seriously, it is unusable. Try posting anything that isn't pro-establishment.
LEFTYPOL STRONK
>>459239
>implying
>implying
>implying
You are defending a board (pol) and impeding a new board (leftypol). You want people to go places were they will get banned.
If you won't use it, good, we will.
>>459241
i use /pol/ and i don't love the name. it's a funny joke but it gives off the wrong idea that /pol/ is ONLY for being politically incorrect.
>>459244
I did, that is why I SCREAM OF ANGER AGAINST THE IDIOTS WHO DON'T WANT LEFTYPOL
>>459242
disagree
>>459246
I am defending the established board we have because it isn't a leftist hugbox.
I am impeding this new board because it will only serve you(leftists) and will quickly become a cancer to this site(much like /pol/ is now)
fighting cancer with cancer is never the answer, and this thread is further proof that leftys just want to make everything a safe space for them and them only, please off yourself dumb 8gagger.
>>459241
Because the stormfags along with the robots swarmed the other boards when /new/ and /r9k/ got the boot ages ago. moot gave the board that name because he accurately concluded that nothing was going to stop a remade /new/ from becoming an echochamber. It took a while considering you did have SOME political discourse for a few months, but /pol/ has been in it's current state for years now and nothing short of a massive population shift is going to change what it has become.
>>459244
trump is antiestablishment and he's /pol/'s favorite candidate by a long shot. there's also a shitload of people who are voting for either bernie or trump just so that the establishments take a hit. you just gotta lurk more to see them, they're not as loud and on the surface.
>>459247
blatantly untrue, /pol/ is rightwing now and the memes are just too much for you, limp-wristed bitchboy.
nut up or shut up, learn not to feed trolls.
>>459251
You don't want other kind of people around you? THEN DON'T USE IT THE FUCKING BOARD.
Daily reminder.
I've also been lurking stormfront since 2001 so I can confirm what's written.
>>459256
no, I do want other kinds of people around me that's why I don't want your leftist /safespace/
you sound mad, calm down and actually read my posts.
>>459251
implying 4chan hasn't been cancer since chanology.
>>459257
part 2
>>459259
>i'm leileilei oldfag
back to sevenchan
>>459260
This has nothing to do with my post.
>>459262
shilling ideologies through spam
just on two sides of the spectrum
>>459253
>nothing was going to stop a remade /new/ from becoming an echochamber
How about trying to do some moderation on the board? moot was such a lazy piece of shit when you think about it. Moderation is needed on all boards.
>>459264
>not wanting hugboxes to permeate on 4chan makes you a neo-nazi
>>459256
how can you not see why the proposed /leftypol/ would become just as much of a circlejerk as you think /pol/ is? it would be the same thing, and make /pol/ worse too.
if you separate leftypol and /pol/, this creates NO room for debate (don't give me any of that intraparty shit, that's not worth a new board). right wingers on one board, left wingers on another. it is inevitable that they will devolve into two circlejerks. rename /pol/ from politically incorrect to politics and be done with it.
>>459265
You are promoting racist ideologies and defending pol's neonazis.
We ought to have a board that appeals sanity and your authoritarian shit is obvious shilling.
By the way. BEWARE ANONS, this brigade is reporting each of our posts so we have harder captchas to prevent us from posting faster!
>>459269
my questions still stand, why the fuck do you care what stormies do?
>>459272
and here it is everyone, the oh so tolerant and progressive left wing in the flesh. opinions tolerated, but only when they don't hurt my feelings or ruin my victim narrative.
>>459268
Yes you do.
Stop defending neonazis and their hugboxes.
>>459251
I've been browsing /pol/ since the late days of old /new/ and consider myself largely to be a right-leaning centrist. Let me tell you right now: if you think that /pol/ is any place for varied political discussion anymore, you are kidding yourself. You won't get banned on 4pol like you will on 8pol for not holding a far-right enough opinion, but your thread WILL get derailed and spammed before any hope of moderates and party-line opposition can chime in.
It's a fucking mess. You can claim it's not a hugbox, but /pol/acks are VERY KEEN on shutting down opposition. Hell, you don't even see that many libertarians on /pol/ anymore: most of them got eaten up by the stormfags in the same way I described formerly. If it doesn't follow the hivemind, it gets swarmed. The swarm may not bring anything logical or factual to the table, but it doesn't matter: the original comments get buried and it turns into stormfag circlejerking once more.
No amount of delusions are going to make /pol/ a place of political debate: it's already filled itself with populations that are hostile to exactly that. Might as well just accept the reality of the situation and give the opposing parties some degree of refuge. Hell, if 8leftypol is anything to go off of, /pol/ will still likely leak its way in and force the board into a state of constant debate. I
>>459277
Because you are so tolerant right? Why don't you want to let other board? Is not because you are tolerant but because you are an intolerant asshole.
>>459277
That's not what leftism is about. Workers owning the means of production isn't about feels, it's about getting compensated for labor.
throwing my vote in for a leftist politics board. please consider this, hiro.
>/pol/new/ used to be filled with Stalin fags and Ancaps
>Everyone hated Christfags (that deusvult faggot)
>Now /pol/ is just catholic stormfaggots
>>459289
>economic leftism can be discussed on /pol/ if you don't start a thread like a baiting retard.
Bullshit. If that worked without getting flooded to hell with memes and meaningless babble we wouldn't be organizing a /leftypol/
>>459291
>catholic stormfaggots
hitler hated catholics
>>459291
>deusvult faggots
>actual christians
ayy lamoooo
>>459291
>stormies
>real catholics
kek
>>459292
as far as i can tell from this thread, one guy tried once, his thread got shitposted, and then never tried again.
>>459293
yeah but who cares? The point is that that is what they are. The most cucked combination possible. Just blind submission to all authority.
>>459289
>economic leftism can be discussed on /pol/ if you don't start a thread like a baiting retard.
Except it will literally just get swamped with "muh gommunism" and "muh cultural/racial subversion" garbage until all parties actually interested in debate leave. Trust me, I've tried. I've brought statistics, facts, theory, the whole deal. Didn't matter. Nobody in those threads bothered to read anything posted: they saw someone in support of something even roughly relating to the left and proceeded to do their damnedest to shut it down in the quickest, intellectually bankrupt manner possible.
I know there are those who still have faith in /pol/ being able to make a recovery as a political discussion board; I should know, I was one of them for the longest time. Let me tell you right now, short of more than half of the current population of the board up and leaving, the anti-intellectual attitudes of /pol/ are not likely to change.
>>459299
>victim complex
>>459300
thanks for proving how futile it is to debate with /pol/fags, jackass
The only responses we'll get on /pol/ are responses like that. Half-assed anti-intellectual memeing.
>>459300
>denying the truth
>>459302
there's nothing to debate about with your post, you're "demanding" hiro give you a board, when he doesn't have to do anything and you can't really do anything back at him for not giving you a circlejerk. there was no memeing in my post, just pointing out what i see.
>>459293
How laughably inaccurate.
>>459304
that always makes me sad and angry at the same time
>>459305
You want to silence any dissent, so who's the authoritarian here? You.
>>459278
stop thinking /pol/ is a neonazi hugbox.
>>459281
this is mostly on point, and /leftypol/ on 8ch is arguably a failed experiment, they're always trying to shut down dissent in much the same way our /pol/ does.
what happened to not feeding trolls? a bunch of stormies shitting up your thread? hide their posts and attempt to salvage discussion, don't beg for a board where 'dose scawy stormfegs wont oppose us ;-;'
>>459304
This entire thing could be flipped on the left if you replace the names in the second one with like statist, bootlicker, bourgeoisie, etc.
>>459311
>stop thinking
That is all you want, so NO.
Is not up to you to decide who has a board and what race is good or bad.
>>459311
>stop thinking /pol/ is a neonazi hugbox.
>>459310
all i'm saying is that the proposed board is unnecessary, you just need to not get your fee fees hurt and not feed the trolls on /pol/ and you can talk about whatever you want.
>>459314
>Is not up to you to decide who has a board
>the OP asks us if there should be a board or no
and tons of people ITT are going with no
>>459314
>Is not up to you to decide who has a board and what race is good or bad.
you're right, and it isn't up to you either ya dumb leftie, stop the race-bait and accept the fact hiro will never give you a hugbox.
>>459318
>tons of people
You mean your spam brigade, or how many proxies you have. We know.
Is about how many DO WANT a board, you authoritarian piece of shit.
>>459321
>You mean your spam brigade, or how many proxies you have
and people called ME paranoid earlier, apex kek
>>459320
Stop spamming these threads and go back to your dungeon bitch.
>>459321
this. There are clearly lots of people that do want a board. THAT is what matters. Fucking /po/ will have waaaaaaaaay less posters than /leftypol/ will have based on the interest demonstrated here and on /g/ today.
>>459311
8ch /leftypol/ openly invites discourse from the oposition.
While some get mocked, they do have debates with us and it is not an intellectual desert like when leftist post on /pol/ I was, literally, having a debate about sociopolitical econ yesterday on leftypol that wasn't a shitdown meme fest.
The reactionary right is always great at lying, tho
>>459319
this is the same arguments /pol/acks use to excuse their silencing of dissenting opinions though.
"we're just mocking them" "can't take the bantz" etc, it's the same tactics.
8ch's discussion is sadly a bit higher quality than ours overall, people put more care into the posts they make for some reason(this is mostly true for nonlegacy boards specifically leftypol and vvv because they aren't filled to the brim with fob redditors) so it seems more intellectual, but the intent is still the same.
8/pol/ remains a stormie hugbox, /leftypol/ remains a leftist hugbox, and they're both clammering for "control" of a dying site, it's sickening and I don't want to see that dynamic recreated here. /pol/ should remain /pol/ and if leftists don't want to get 'shut down' they should remember the old adage of not feeding trolls.
>>459330
so because accellspammer exists that means i'm spamming for having the opinion that this board shouldn't exist? this is some tinfoil shit right here.
>>459324
>outright trying to silence the dissenting opinion
/leftypol/ will never happen if you keep this shit up
>>459333
You keep pushing your agenda of spamming leftists threads.
Stop attacking any dissent by implying defending ourselves is an attack to you.
>of course you use the same old right wing discourse of "if you defend yourself you are attacking me"
>>459335
my agenda of spamming leftists threads? becuase stating my opinion and attempting to defend it is totally spamming.
>Stop attacking any dissent by implying defending ourselves is an attack to you.
that's exactly what you did though, I stated my point against your little hugbox and you lashed out at my like a kid who got sand in his knickers, get fucked.
>>459333
Implying calling every one a cuck and a "Lefttard" and shitting down every post in your autistic right wing pol board with strawmen and debunked arguments is not why this thread was created.
lul.
>>459311
You somewhat missed my point. I mentioned 8/leftypol/ because I actually have gotten an opportunity to go there and watch/post. While you'll find yourself obviously poorly received if you start a thread off with bait, if you try and bring actual coherent discussion to the table, they will engage you in an intellectually honest manner outside of a few shitposters (usually the authoritarian leftists, the mirror image of the stormfags).
/pol/ is mostly stormfags at this point. You can theoretically hide all the posts that you don't want to engage with, but then that will almost always be turned around as a way of saying "look, they don't have any rebuttal. I win." Then they spend the next week boasting about how they BTFO'd x,y, or z cuck/shill. They make threads dedicated to jerking themselves off to their victories. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum. It's not worth it. The circlejerk has hit a point where the users have fused hands to dicks and formed a massive omni-being of circulating shitposts.
Maybe things could have been different. Maybe it would be different if more of their users had actually read material that relates to their political standings. Maybe they'd be free thinking enough to accept challenges to their position rather than taking unsourced images and memes as word of God, things might be different. However, think it's clear that has never been the case for /pol/ nor will it ever be the case. It's sad really. I hate to see it in this state, but it's not a problem that can be fixed short of massive population restructuring.
>>459337
Your neonazi group has proven to spam pol first and then the rest of 4chan.
You, right now are spamming this thread shilling against having a board.
You outright try to silence everyone on this thread by bait posting, sending us to /trash/, trying to lie about /pol/, trying to shut us about the lack of proper discussion without spam in our threads.
You lie, you spam, you defend nazis doing this, you are an authoritarian you is trying to silence dissent.
>>459341
>you is trying to silence dissent.
he says, as he is trying to silence the dissent to creating a shitty new board
>>459342
Spam, shitposting, shilling against, attacking dissent.
This is /pol/, we want another board, we want a leftist board.
>>.459342
But, the point is, you come on here trying to talk down opening up a dialog for leftists and people who do not conform to right wing policies.
>>452833
Oh please fuck yes
>>459347
And what do we get right now? Shitposting and be sent to /trash/.
We need another board.
>>459346
considering hiro seems to hold at least some right wing opinions (said in his first Q&A thing that he thinks in 50 years there will be no more european or american culture due to refugees and mexicans or something similar), you might just be shit out of luck, pinko.
>>456339
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>Democratic
>Republic
So this is the new strategy? Discourage any petition to Hiro.
I still petition to 4chan's feedback >>459195
>>459338
and proving you'll just do the same in your lefty utopia isn't going to inspire the administration to create it, now is it?
>>459340
okay, so /pol/ is shit, why won't leftypol be shit too?
this thread proves you lot are prone to the same exact mental shortcomings and traps that brought /pol/ to its current state.
no political ideology is infallible, and giving one ideology a hugbox to circlejerk in indefinitely is not a good idea.
>>459352
It could also bring in more peeps to 4chan and ergo bring in more money for his advertisements and his shares in them
You know better than I do that money talks in politics, don't you?
>>459341
>/pol/ spams people so it's okay when us leftys do it
>expressing my opinion and attempting to defend it is "spamming and shilling"
You lie, you spam, you defend communists by doing this, you are an authoritarian you is trying to silence dissent
I'd like a /leftypol/ where if you responded with memes instead of proper rebuttal you get warnings and eventually a ban.
Would be great if /pol/'s sticky was relevant.
Also, /leftypol/ should have a well-sourced FAQ to curb the retards asking the same thing.
>>459359
Calling your attack a mere opinion is lying. But of course, same old bias because you don't care anyway.
"Boards are added only if we believe there is enough interest to drive quality traffic to them."
https://www.4chan.org/faq#addx
Let's prove them http://www.4chan.org/feedback
>>459361
which "attack" are you referring to?
the ones where I clearly and consisely stated why I don't want you whiny leftists getting a board for yourselves?
fuck off with the subversive bullshit.
>>459358
>bringing in leftist offsiters
i could deal with the ones already here, but holy fuck that would be a nightmare. not even because of the board itself, but the fact that they would inevitably leak out of it like /pol/ leaks out of /pol/, except that it wouldn't stop /pol/ from leaking out of /pol/, and instead you'd have two /pol/'s leaking and clashing with each other, creating even more offtopic shitposting on nonpolitical boards. this is actually another reason against a leftypol.
Why are right wing fags so triggered by a /leftypol/ existing?
Seriously, how are you so hurt by another board existing for left wing discussion?
You have your own board, whats the harm in creating another?
or is it that what really worries you is /pol/s narrative dominance on 4chan will finally have a counter?
Honestly, it's simply unfair right wing cockheads get their own board, while the left has been essentially driven from discussion on 4chan.
>>459363
Same old silence of dissent. You can't shut us all.
>>459362
This.
New bread when? We need to let the staff know that we want this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afq6Bm_mq3Q
>>459365
/pol/ is not a right wing board, /pol/ is a politics board, it just so happens to be populated mostly by right wingers. this is not because of the board's topic, this is because leftists choose not to use it. if you want /pol/ to change at all, be that change, don't whine for another board that's going to be another garbage echo chamber.
>>459369
there's like 3 threads already, i'm pretty sure you posted this one one of them.
>>459371
Dude, the board's ruined. It's literally, LITERALLY, Stormfront: The 4chan Board.
>>459374
dude it LITERALLY isn't
/pol/ isn't this big bad natsoc board like everyone who doesn't use it paints it to be. /pol/ in its current state is a bunch of midly racist libertarians jerking off. that's it.
>>459364
First of all, 4chan hasn't been at it's highest, last boss of the internet, point for many years.
At this point 4chan is the facebook of internet subculture.
Second, do you think that in any way matters to some one who is interesting in making profits? Hell no.
>>459371
/pol/ is for all intents and purposes a right wing board. As every left winger in this topic has said, it's impossible for left wing discussion too take place on the board since we just get our threads shitposted too oblivion.
>Be that change
Except us Leftists don't have a giant fucking brigade force, bots and all sorts of copypasta spam and image dumps that /pol/ has, literally all our discussion and threads are just shitposted by the vast majority of /pol/s userbase.
We deserve our own board, we got driven off /pol/, we got driven off /lit/, we got driven off /his/, it's fucking bullshit that stormfaggots get their own fucking board because they shitposted /int/ so hard the board was unusable when /new/ was deleted.
>>459376
>/pol/ in its current state
hahahahaha
>>459366
>openly engaging with people and stating my opinions is trying to silence dissent
okay guy, it's not like you retards have been trying to silence me this entire thread or anything.
>>459365
>You have your own board, whats the harm in creating another?
you turn /pol/ into an exclusively rightwing hugbox and simultaneously create a hugbox for leftists.
decreases site quality overall and leads to more infighting, and the advancement of 8gag tier hugboxery.
this would drive off any reasonable person attempting to discuss politics, especially those of us that don't adhere to the false dichotomy of left v right.
voting for a left /pol/ too, I've been here since 2003 and moot completely fucked the internet by starting /news/ then opening /pol/ that just invited the stormfags to the board which completely fucked it and from there infected the internet.
REMINDER, 4CHAN USED TO HATE STORMFAGS WITH A PASSION
/pol/tards are the new bronies, they shitpost everywhere and sperg out everytime someone says something bad about nazis or Trump.
Guys, just in case here is the new thread >>458932
>>458932
And we can find any lefty thread by this link
>>>/qa/leftypol
>>>/qa/leftypol
As we need a place to gather our numbers these threads seem to be our only chance. We know we are spammed, shitposted, shilled away, and I know is unfair but until we have that board there is no easy way to bring more people unless you point them here. We need to bring people over these threads to increase our numbers.
>>459382
>REMINDER, 4CHAN USED TO HATE STORMFAGS WITH A PASSION
>420chan advertisement
>>459377
hiro, do you really want to give people that consider your site the "facebook of internet subculture" a board of their own?
>>459385
holy fuck this
>>459378
>We deserve our own board,
I disagree f a m
>>459389
try not being a braindead social media addled faggot and say it again.
>>459385
>Hates the truth
>Doesn't want to old fags to come back
>Doesn't want 4chan to be great again.
MAKE 4CHAN GREAT AGAIN!
>>459383
Let's bring them from other boards!
>>459394
good idea, i'll go tell /pol/ that lefty fucking shits are trying to get a board, that'll help
>>459357
>okay, so /pol/ is shit, why won't leftypol be shit too?
Because we actually have more theory than just Donald trump memes and blaming the joos for ruining the planet.
>>459376
>libertarian
/pol/ hasn't been predominantly libertarian in ages now. It's by no means as bad as 8ch /pol/, but it's still mostly authoritarian right of one description or another. There's been pretty consistent poll data that has come out of that board periodically. While obviously not entirely an accurate representation, it does suggest that the board population has steadily lost most of it's non-authoritarian right userbase. Most of the libertarians vacated a long time ago: I debated following them. I thought too that I would stick by the board and wait it though. I'm sick of trying to make change that pure and simply isn't going to happen: it has been years now. It's not going to get better. While us libertarians probably aren't in big enough numbers to warrant a full board, there's an entire section of the political spectrum that has virtually no representation right now. In the time that it would take for the leftists to return to /pol/ to change demographics significantly, they will already begin losing people due to shitposting by the overwhelming hostile majority against their most hated minority.
>>459384
want more proof?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759563/posts
http://www.lurkmore.com/view/Invasions#Hal_Turner
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Hal_Turner
we used to collaborate with other sites, crazy I know being that the entire internet is sectarian as fuck now because of /pol/faggots and SJWs, I'm just old enough to remember it because I'm not fucking 19 like 90% of the current userbase.
>>459399
kek nice pic
>>459393
>Hates the truth
which is what? 4chan being anything like facebook? please, completely different ideologies and target demographics.
>Doesn't want to old fags to come back
oldfags don't need to come back, newfags like you need to lurk moar
>Doesn't want 4chan to be great again.
>wants hugboxes on 4chan
>wants boards that will create more infighting
>thinks this will make 4chan great again
>>459401
You are not the only one :(
>>459393
>hugboxes and safe spaces will make 4chan great again
no it won't you faggot
Yes, please.
>>459404
31 here, found 4chan in the fall of 2003, there's tens of us, how long you been around brother? not sarcastic, actually curious
>>459412
>2003
Do you remember the gore board?
>>459414
>guro is gore to these people
>>459414
it's been so long I'll probably not remember some things but I'm assuming you mean the /guro/ board right? Not my cup of tea, I used pics there to freak out annoying soccer moms on the net and screaming 9 year olds in svencoop/TFC.
>>459423
stay ignorant, friend.
>>453085
>implying pol isn't the mother of all hugboxes
>board is literally titled politically incorrect
>complain that it's politically incorrect
[politically correct] all ready exists. pic related.
go there
ITT offsite /i/nvasion.
Pic related.
/pol/ is literally bots talking to each other
What would the name of the board be?
>>459485
This may come as a shock to you, but there are people who browse both sites you know.
>>455149
>1) races are equal
denying science
>2) nationalism can bring us dangerously close to WW3
Strangely it's the globalists calling for war with Russia and Nationalists are some of the only people who want cooperation.
>3) America is becoming a third-world country by any relevant statistics
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>4) Europe is not being invaded, all experts and all stats are confirming this.
Alright this is where I know I'm being baited. Nevermind.
>>459485
Ignoring the fact that there was a call, specifically, for not raiding.
Jesus, can you guys, ever, be honest?
>wanting a SRS controlled board
>inb4 /pol/ is a stormfront controlled board
Most of the hardline National Socialist went back to their forums or cripplechan.
>>459505
/leftypol/ senpai
I'm /leftypol/ and I'm against this, it's not a problem with /pol/ per se it's a problem that board culture is not meant for serious discussion of any length.
I mean, try starting any topic on /pol/ and it will just be memeshit. Hell, even /leftypol/ turns awful on several topics where anarchists and leninsts just shitpost forever.
Also, /leftypol/ was started because 8/pol/ outright bans any dissent, while on /pol/ any independent thought is just shitposted see: >>459517
>>459505
/lit/
>>459526
>Double agent.
>>459485
I've written many posts ITT in support of leftypol and I literally found this thread by randomly deciding to check out /qa/'s catalog.
>>453085
B-but you /pol/tards have your own hugbox, why shouldn't we?
>>453102
We're all spook autists comrade.
>>454599
>National Socalists post because they understand how to make a functioning socalism
Hahahahaha oh wow
>private property
>socialism
pick one
>>459521
>Most of the hardline National Socialist went back to their forums or cripplechan.
>>454599
>Socialism
>Privatizing everything even government institutions.
Top, kek.
>>452833
This needs to be done
>>459406
WeDon't want a safespace, you, autist.
We want our own board.
We aren't identity politicizing faggots.
And we aren't goose stepping, mother fuckers, like /pol/
>>459555
a board where the mean mean right wingers can't hurt your pinko fee fees? that's exactly what a safe space is, fuck you vlad.
>>459547
thinking that the jews did it doesn't make you a national socialist, fuck off
>>459561
No a board where you idiots can't flush our opinions out with idiotic misrepresentations conflating all of leftism to stalinism because you are to retarded to pick up a book.
Or drown us out because we are lefukin kikes
see >>459547
Stop crying because you autistic don't have a monopoly on discourse.
>>459563
Lmao, whatever you say.
>>459555
>please give us a board for our particular revision of the kike tabletop rpg
/tg/ all ready exists, though
but nice trips
>>456353
>Also, this is obvious bait. How new are you?
Man, the smug ones are always the dumbest.
>>455696
>this is the level of argument that /pol/ is so proud of
And people say that /pol/ should be debated with.
>they want ANOTHER /pol/
How about no.
>>459620
Who is they?
We leftists (Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, Democratic socialists, ect ectect)
We want /leftypol/ so, you are incorrect.
>>455696
>third reich WAS leftist
I guess reading books is for Jews or something.
For christ sake, between rounding up and executing actual socialists and union leaders, Hitler fucking dissolved the SA because it was somehow vaguely too pro-labor.
>>459626
who are "we"? i see only one sperg (you) who wants it
>>459602
facts are undebatable
>>459629
hitler was a leftist and a socialist, enjoy your /leftypol/ because that's where actual nazis belong
>>459657
You're fucking retarded.
>>459680
>i want a board for leftists
>but only one kind of leftists
>>459734
>hitler was a leftist
Kill youself.
>>459756
hitler killed himself and he was a leftist
GAS THE RICH CLASS WAR NOW
>>452833
/leftypol/ for not two times four chan pls
>>453085
>pol isn't a hugbox for stormfags and assorted far-right loons
>>459773
this meme needs to die
hitler was a capitalist tool brought into power with the help of german industrialists
>>458810
>Reddit is pretty mixed. It's not really left-wing, there's just less blatant neo-nazi shitposting than /pol/.
Yes, /r/socialism is full of secret neo-nazis.
>>460021
You mean /r/superSJW and /r/uberSJW?
>>459517
>>1) races are equal
>denying science
you're right, but not for the reason you think.
race as a way of distinguishing biological traits is next to useless scientifically, since it groups people based on far wider traits (for example, a norwegian, irishman, englishman, german are all 'white' and some even go so far as to group russians, italians)
similarly with blacks (half the reason for disunity in africa is the retention of arbitrary colonial borders, whereas europe was allowed to group up beyond a tribal level to nationalism, then beat the stufffing out of one another until they reached a stable state of nation-statehood.) and the disunity (and different traits) of asians goes without saying (contrary to arr rook same, you can generally tell a japanese from a chinese quite easily), and then you have hispanics which blur the line between spaniards (some of whom are white) and south/central americans (part spaniard, but also part natives)
you could go and check the genetic makeup of people, but 'race' is a shitty way of doing it and concepts like 'the white race' 'the black race' etc are next to useless both scientifically and socially, race 'exists' as a way of grouping but the people who claim it's a social construct are more right than wrong. (it's more like sport-teams or something than an accurate biological distinguishes.)
before i'm called a SJW, i do believe in differences between people based on genetic traits, and that there is a very loose correlation with race in some traits, but i do not believe that this loose correlation is sufficient justification for 'race' based policies when one could do further research and come up with a more accurate grouping system. (to keep using sports teams as an example, you can often tell a lot about someone's socioeconomic status, etc, based on the teams they like, and support often runs in the family - that doesn't mean you should base policy on sports-teams without doing more research)
