How do we save 4chan?
Mods need to throw out more permanent bans.
Encourage qualityposting. Discourage shitposting. Also, less memes.
>>374069
Stop trying to "save" it, you make it worse every time you do and it doesn't need it in the first place.
>>374069
Right click>save as...then you pick a name and voila. You saved 4chan.
Go back in time and kill moot before he makes it
>>374280
Fuck off Carlos.
>>374083
Ban people for posting shitty memes for one would be a huge step. Word Filters would help a lot as well. We need to drive the /v/ermin from Reddit and Facebook off of here, at least most of them
>>374069
In case you need any instructions on how to save 4chan, check out the enclosed instruction book.
>>374302
Ban people who say this shit.
Facebook, Reddit, and Tumblr are incredibly diverse.
Facebook has little microchosms that basically do /a/ better than /a/ does, like DemolitionD's facebook page. The only crime Facebook commits is being so large that your grandmother is also on it. I got news for you. If you weren't such a bitch you could unadd your grandma and stop reading the shit she posts.
For absolutely every board on 4chan, if you take the corresponding reddit board, you'll find better discussions, fewer trolls, and general being on topic. Compare >>>/sci/ against http://reddit.com/r/science for a really easy cherry picked example, but you'd be harder pressed to find an example that wasn't true.
Tumblr has its social justice warrior side but it also has a conservative neo nazi side. The vast majority of tumblr is neither. It's a drawfag side full of industry professionals shitposting their sketches. If you're a fan of /a/, /co/, or /v/, you'd be a fool not to go to tumblr. Tumblr is where content comes from these days. 4chan's content production is completely stale and tumblr is making new shit left and right. We bitch and moan about how shitty Undertale is, sure, but when's the last time 4chan's pumped out a game? Katawa Shoujou is a Visual Novel and there's debate as to if VNs even count as games on /v/.
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4chan's exclusionary culture made sense when the internet was small, but it isn't anymore. "go back to" is a tired forced meme.
>>374426
Agreed completely. I expect one guy to reply to your post a ton to make it look like an army is disagreeing with you, though.
>>374426
> If you're a fan of /a/, /co/, or /v/, you'd be a fool not to go to tumblr.
/co/ and /v/ maybe, but most producers of /a/ content use a variety of sites to distribute their content in which Tumblr is a small minority.
>4chan's exclusionary culture made sense when the internet was small, but it isn't anymore.
4chan's exclusionary culture makes more sense than ever now that the internet is so large that a miniscule fraction of Facebook can overwrite the existing culture of any board in the disastrous event that it becomes popular.
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>>374426
Hello Mark.
>>374426
We need 4chan to go back to what it was supposed to be: An image board dedicated to anime and video games as a primary interest. Side boards like /pol/ and /his/ are fine though
>>374437
Bullshit. 4chan's exclusionary culture only makes it easier for that to happen.
Your solution is basically. "Uh oh, all the elves are dying. Let's start killing elves to fix it!"
>>374461
>that
I must have lost the context of the discussion at some point, because I'm not sure sure what "that" is. The death of 4chan?
What we need is for people to produce more OC and not keep using this place to "funpost"
>>374465
Yes, basically. When you've got a small site that is easily influenced by other sites the last thing you want to do is make it smaller. Optimally you try to bring in new people and shape them as you see fit.
>>374470
But that's clearly not working at all.
>>374426
We need a massive revamp though. A board for drawfags, a fanfiction board, we need more shit like that to bring in more creativity
>>374471
Because we have been doing it half-heartedly. This is due to all the stubbornness from foolish people who would prefer not to add to our numbers.
>>374477
So, sadly, we already have /i/.
We could use a board for fanfiction though. That'd be pretty hilarious.
Or better yet we could stop banning writefags.
>>374471
I'm basically parroting shit I've heard from other people, but over time I've heard more and more loudly that the transition from "lurk more" to "go back to X" basically heralded the death of 4chan.
If you tell me to lurk more (and eventually explain the prevailing community standard to me if I repeatedly insist on putting my cluelessness on parade) I might actually try to respect the culture.
If you tell me to "go back to Reddit" (or Tumblr, or Gaia, or wherever) I'm just going to assume the culture police is made completely of retards.
>>374483
Again, underage faggots are the reason people say this. The shitposting is just out of control
>>374481
/i/ needs a massive revamp. We need to promote it as THE place for drawfags to show off whatever they want.
>>374426
>Facebook, Reddit, and Tumblr are incredibly diverse.
No, they aren't. 99% of their content is stolen from other sites, just like ebaums.
>Facebook has little microchosms that basically do /a/ [..]
Do you think we care about what happens in Facebook? I got news for you, Chad (now you're going to damage control telling me to >>>/r9k/), we don't. The crime Facebook, Reddit, 9gag, whatever, commits is that they spread their cancer here.
>you'll find better discussions
No, you won't. They hide posts with a certain amount of downvotes, that's why it looks like they have "decent discussion", as you said.
>"go back to" is a tired forced meme.
Not everything here is a meme, newfriend. We don't start blaming a site for no reason, go fucking lurk before posting. "Boogeymen", as your kind like to damage control, don't exist. I bet you also think 4chan is for shitposting, eh?
>4chan's content production is completely stale
Guess why? Because Redditards keep shitposting here, contributing to absolutely nothing!
>>374454
>and video games as a primary interest
Nice try, /v/irgin. /v/ was only added in 2006.
>>374565
>No, they aren't. 99% of their content is stolen from other sites.
Tumblr is full of people who produce OC. A lot of it is reposts, but then, it's not like /a/ produces even a fraction of percent of what gets posted, since it all comes from Japan.
Before Tumblr became the world's biggest pillowfort it was a content hosting site that could be linked to on 4chan like any other.
>I got news for you, Chad
Go back to /r9k/.
>Because Redditards keep shitposting here, contributing to absolutely nothing!
The shitposting of others can't stop you from producing OC if you actually want to do so.
>>374069
Doesn't really need saving
>>374574
>The shitposting of others can't stop you from producing OC if you actually want to do so.
Which is why we need shit like a real drawfag and fan fiction board.
But the Redditor problem is real though. They literally do nothing but shitpost.
>>374565
And for a while /v/ was good. It was only after GamerGate happened /v/ went to shit
>>374574
Talking like a true newfag. Well meme'd my retard friend, well meme'd.
>>374622
He's right, though. The amount and quality of artwork and other OC created in Tumblr greatly outstrips all of 4chan combined.
>>374661
Its true sadly. We need a real drawfag board
The people need an incentive. From hereon out people without a gf cannot post.
>>374678
>There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the people you call "redditors" actually come from reddit.
I went to r\4chan one minute ago and look what I found!
If you actually want to fix the site, the mods and Hiro need to double back and try and kill the shitposting culture thats grown. Basically, they need to tell 30 - 50% of the userbase to fuck off
>>374608
>Which is why we need shit like a real drawfag and fan fiction board.
We didn't used to need one, so what's the deal?
Thought I have noticed that those general threads that everybody hates seem like they produce more OC per capita than the rest of the board.
>>374622
>well meme'd
I can't figure out who you might be talking to other than yourself.
>>374688
That's you though.
>>374688
>r\4chan
it's r/4chan
>>374690
Because no creativity on here anymore. Having a drawfag and fanfic board would help a lot
>>374741
>Because no creativity on here anymore
Except, there is tons. They just get drowned out by all the memespouters and shitposters.
Drawfags already have /i/ and /ic/, they just need to actually post on them. A fanfic board is retarded and too small of a idea. If its really needed, it should either be a general writefag or creative board. A fanfic would be pretty small and probably end up being just generals
>>374753
Most don't because they'd rather use tumblr. We need a legit drawfag board that actually encourages people to share their art
and actually a fanfic board would work. Have threads for different settings, fetishes, etc etc
>>374760
Drawfags aren't really the creativity the site needs. Sure they would help, but they really aren't the biggest thing needed. What's need is everyone to stop fucking regurgitating the same thing over and over again and stop making thousands of different variations of the same fucking meme
>and actually a fanfic board would work. Have threads for different settings, fetishes, etc etc
>and probably end up being just generals
I just said thats a nogo, we don't need another general board. Generals don't encourage creativity, they encourage circlejerking. A writefag board would end up being 10x better than fanfic one, because it wouldn't be nothing but generals and 12 year olds writing their really cringe sex fictions. A good board needs variation, otherwise it stagnates
>>374688
/r/4chan is 4channers on reddit. Try again. I'm looking for redditors on 4chan, not 4channers on Reddit.
They are NOT one and the same.
>>374766
Boards need an influx of outside content coming in, being examined, being remixed and modified, and then being abandoned.
/a/ works by having a new anime come out, and then people talk about it.
/mu/ works by having music come out and then people talk about it.
/sp/ works by having a sportsball thing happen and then people talk about it.
/pol/ works by having something political happen and then people talk about it.
A board designed to create the content is going to fail. What the fuck do you get for creating content on 4chan? Nothing. People don't want you to get any fame for making shit. You're not even supposed to post with a name on this website.
OC is circlejerking.
>>374795
>/r/4chan is 4channers on reddit. Try again. I'm looking for redditors on 4chan, not 4channers on Reddit.
>/r/4chan is 4channers on reddit
That's fucking cute anon
>>374799
You just went there, proving that you're a 4channer that went to reddit.
I mean, unless you're this weird metahipsterhypocrite who calls other people what you yourself are, I guess, but I didn't consider that when I made the first post.
>>374805
Learn to differentiate between posters, you fucking newfag moron. I'm not the same anon.
>>374807
Yes you are.
>>374810
>18 different ips
>only one person could be responding to me
Fucking moron. If you want to make samefag claims, atleast learn how to differentiate between posting styles. Stop posting and lurk moar
>>374812
I don't need you to confess to convict you.
You've lost. Bailiff! See them out.
No u
>>374565
I've seen very little OC worth a shit out of this site in years, /g/ is basically an rss feed for bloggers and big news sites, all of /int/'s staple content is mostly stolen from Krautchan, Ylilauta and literally Reddit.
And you're part of the problem, wannabe oldfags who shit on everything while bitching and moaning about bogeymen and memes they don't like and contributing nothing substantial are easily as cancerous as the redditors and facebook tards they whine about constantly.
>>374880
>muh OC
Fuck off.
encourage everyone to LURK MOAR!!!!!!!!! as a sticky
>>374426
>Websites with millions of users from a vast range of background and internet experiences are diverse
Well, no shit. So is 4chan, it's a large website with a large userbase spread out across 60+ boards. If you can't handle it when others make general statements about facebook or reddit, don't make general statements like "4chan's content production is completely stale". If you believe that you're clearly not looking in the right places, much like you think the users here aren't on facebook, reddit etc.
>Facebook has little microchosms that basically do /a/ better than /a/ does
/a/ users use facebook, who would have thought it? The culture represented on such pages comes from here. Granted, it can develop and become its own thing to whatever community uses it, but it's never going to be better than /a/ itself, the key reason being that facebook is a shit platform. The comment sections are awkward to read and lend themselves to posting image macros in an attempt to getting the most likes rather than having a discussion. Also, I don't care for people's real names and shit; I don't understand why keeping your personal and internet live separate is such an alien concept to some people. "The only crime facebook commits" is about as flawed as you can possibly make the beginning to a sentence.
>>374426
>>374963
>if you take the corresponding reddit board, you'll find better discussions, fewer trolls, and general being on topic
There are great discussions on reddit that get voted to the top of a thread, but the vast majority of discussions on the vast majority of threads are complete nonsense, much like here, much like any website that's ever been or ever will be. reddit discussions tend to be more informative for people not already knowledgeable about a given subject area because upvotes provide an incentive for people to spoonfeed others. This doesn't make them better, it just makes them more inclusive since more people can follow along. I've had great discussions on /sci/, /lit/, and /his/ here, but, thankfully, have never felt the need to dumb down what I mean to the language of a five year old to appease the jury. It's true that boards like /sci/ also have a their fair share of low quality posts, but mainly because it covers such a broad area compare to subreddits. Specialisation usually improves discussion, so threads here with a specific premise tend have a similar quality of discussions to the best of reddit, but I agree that reddit is probably better for discussing science.
Comparing 4chan and tumblr for content creation is comparing apples to orange. Comparing discussions is one thing, but artists like to receive credit it for their work so it's natural for them to put it on a blog rather than post it anonymously on an imageboard. This also makes it easier for people to find a backlog of their posts, make requests etc. Content created for 4chan and content created for tumblr are not comparable because if an artist is making something serious they'll probably post it somewhere they can receive credit - tumblr, deviantart, et al, - but content created for 4chan is made for others to post without receiving credit. It's made solely for the community, whereas things on any non-anonymous website are made partly for receiving credit.
>>374426
>>374964
You're correct that tumblr now produces a lot, but the site is still mostly reposts and a lot of the OC is shit, but the smaller volume of OC here tends to be more entertaining (at least to me). Are you giving tumblr credit for making Undertale rather than the dude who made it? If the credits said "Hugbox Studios" like Katawa Shoujo's say "Four Leaf Studio", then fine, but they don't, they say "Toby Fox". Also, /vp/ is making a game right now, and an incredible amount of work has gone into it from a lot of people.
4chan has an exclusionary culture as a a counterbalance to the fact posting here is simple and there are no consequences to make low quality posts unless the community shits on you for it. "go back to X" is not a meme, it's more about telling someone that their post is considered low quality on 4chan than it is about telling someone their post is considered high quality elsewhere.
Sorry I went on such a ramble, but I think the issue here is a lot more complicated than you're describing. There is no tl;dr, go back and read that fucking shit.
>>374882
OC is good, it helps you live.
If you are here for nothing but high-quality on-topic discussion... well I guess how optimal 4chan is for that depends mostly on the topic.
>>374966
You can't both blame Tumblr for making Undertale and not give Tumblr credit for making Undertale.
>>374966
>go back to X is not a meme
Go back to Millhouse.
>>374970
When did I blame Tumblr for making Undertale? I actually like Undertale, and I'm not the only one, there's a /vg/ general for it.
>>374069
Ban a random 90% of 4chan users, let the remaining 10% post for 24 hours.
After a day remove the bans and randomly ban 90% of the users again.
Repeat forever.
>>374981
Most people have dynamic IPs.
>>374984
What makes you think that, particularly in other countries besides America?
>>374985
Because a static IP is something your ISP can Jew you for.
>>374986
Oh and also mobile internet. Sadly the number of people browsering through their phones seems to be very high. And even if you have for some reason a static IP, they can always just jump to their phones if they feel the need as they have no standards to begin with.
>>374987
NEETs don't have phones.
>>374984
What does that matter, everyone is banned except 10% of the users
changing your IP isn't going to unban you
But I was just joking anyway
>>374992
Are you fucking stupid or what?
>>374981
So, just ban mobile posters from posting? Seriously, banning mobile posting would be the simplest and most effective way of removing pretty much the vast majority of low effort shitposts
>>374426
>Compare >>>/sci/ against http://reddit.com/r/science for a really easy cherry picked example, but you'd be harder pressed to find an example that wasn't true.
I don't know how good /sci/ is but that subreddit is utter shit. Unlike most "gb2leddit" shitposters on 4chan trying to fit in I've actually given reddit a try and I do honestly hate it there. Even the small (<20k) subreddits are extremely terrible to browse and even worse to participate in.
There are better places to get discussion from than 4chan, but it doesn't include reddit.
>>374994
I agree that it would be good, but it won't fix everything.
>>374996
It wouldn't fix much but it would make actually fixing things 10x easier
>>374993
I'm not going to spoonfeed you on how something like that can work. Use your brain and quit getting worked up over harmless jokes.
>>374998
There are no users you can ban, only IPs and that is easy to change. Except if they don't start banning IP ranges, but then it would be impossible to control.
>>374999
If you're trying to ban everyone except 5 users, you don't actually add every other IP to a blacklist. You add those 5 IP's to a whitelist
The rest of the world can change their IP's all they want but they're not going to make it onto the whitelist.
>>375002
Okay, that probably works. My bad.
>>374426
Anon, I've dabbled into that myself out of curiosity, and I can assure you, they are fucking horrible. For starters, they all have their culture taken right out of 4chan. And no, they don't do it better, because the culture here doesn't work with facebook. They always end up being one of three things, the same as everything else, fucking spoonfeeding newfag shit, le edgy shitposting mememasters or furfaging action mal tier shit. I'm even willing to admit that I actually was a admin for a few of those Facebook pages with a few hundred thousand likes a few years ago when I decided to do a 2 year 4chan ban. It doesn't matter whether its got a few hundred or a few million, every micro-community in Facebook are outright fucking horrible for anything even remotely good and I regret using it in my 2 year ban
Please take that back. Saying reddit is good for 'good discussion' is outright fucking offensive. If by 'good discussion' you mean circlejerking and the removal of anyone who holds a opinion that isn't shared by the majority, then sure, we have something. But, if you aren't into wanking your own opinion, reddit is outright horrible for any reasonable discussion
>tumblr
No one on 4chan fucking posts art here, because drawfags are fucking attentionwhores normally and you can't get that here. If you post art for here, you have no name and that art is for the community and owned by the community. Not many people are willing to do something like draw without some form of compensation. Also, tumblr is used mainly to host art by westerners and whether you want to agree or not, but your average artfag in the east is 10x better than your average artfag from the west, so the majority of shit tumblr makes doesn't really matter. Another point is, 4chan isn't a content production factory. Its a discussion image board. The reason is used to produce a lot of content, was because it was used as that, not a shitposting meme factory
>>375002
The problem of dynamic IPs is still there, because you can whitelist an IP that won't be active in that day. It might make people to try and not turn off their PCs, which could be good, but also many will rotated IPs trying to get one that is working today. And it is questionable from what period of time you will take IPs to whitelist as to not decrease the whitelisted people to zero.
>>374976
>>374975
Go on /v/ and say that. You'll be laughed off.
This is part of why the "go back to tumblr" needs to stop. People just say it about anything they don't like.
>>375004
>drawfags are fucking attentionwhores normally and you can't get that here.
You're lucky the drawfags in the threads you browse apply themselves to art rather than attention whoring because it definitely happens.
>>375222
Go back to X is the worst shit ever because even if it does get used against people who are obviously from X, at the end of the day people just use it to describe pretty much everything they don't like. It dilutes the original accusation and generally makes everything retarded.
>>375004
>your average artfag in the east is 10x better than your average artfag from the west
You're an idiot. The average artfag from the east that transcends the language barrier, sure, but go fucking hop onto 2chan and lurk sometime. The difference between there and here is that there's more art in general. 90% of it is still shit though, same as here.
Pic related. I just grabbed it a second ago.
>>375405
You still went there. You're a redditor now. Go back to reddit and get the fuck off 4chan. You've tainted your soul. You're a cross-site goer and you are now everything wrong with 4chan.
>>374069
You can save it by stop trying to save it so much.
>>375418
well isn't that convenient for the people who are trying to tear it apart
>>374100
One person gets it and is completely ignored.
This place is worse because of "containment boards" and overmoderation.
>>374069
you know is too late
>>375881
Trying to save it doesn't necessarily mean actually having ideas and trying to implement them. It could just be that we want to talk about it because maybe a great idea might be found.
and thinking about such things doesn't mean I'll come to the conclusion that we need crap like containment boards and overmoderation. I think those are bad ideas too.
