I know many people have been wanting to increase moderation and enforce the rules on /v/, but it had become more and more clear everyday that we can't save it with these. The board moves way too fast to begin with, meaning mods can't keep up at all. When the mods actually try and do something it doesn't work. The Redditors just don't learn their lesson and continue to funpost whenever they can. The mods are simply too lazy at this point, they don't want to do anything because it's too much work for them.
We need to make /v/ a much smaller board, too many posters have flooded it with shitposting, off topic threads, and Japanese game threads that end up getting derailed by calling everyone a pedophile.
At this point now, there really are only a few possible options left: either you purge /v/ for a week or so and try and monitor where the Redditors go to funpost, or you split /v/ in half in order to reduce the traffic to the boards. Either way, /v/ can't keep operating like this anymore. It's getting to the point where even normies are getting fed up with it.
delete all the video game boards
sick of seeing this banal anti-art vomit everywhere
I usually dislike splitting boards but this is the one case where I'd agree.
That, or fucking start moderating /v/. And I mean actually, really start moderating it and just let the faggot tears flow when their off-topic shitposting gets trashed.
we need a /vj/ for Japanese games and a /vw/ or just /v/ for Western games
Nintendo stuff goes in /vj/
PC stuff goes in /vw/
Sony stuff I guess gets split between both?
>>350928
Create a board for underage b8 to pander to /v/'s main audience
>>350944
/jp/ is supposed to be for Japanese game I believe, mainly touhou though. But I don't think that quite worked
>>350950
No one uses /jp/. Some people have been advocating to turn it into a Chunni board
>>350961
I laughed at your post because you are a joke
And like all jokes they are ment to be laughed at
>>350948
Yeah that would be western /v/
>>350936
We have been asking for increased moderation for almost a month now and nothing has gotten done. The mods don't want to do it because it's too much work for them. Spitting or purging is really the only way now. In fact now that I think about things, just turn /jp/ into Otaku Gaming. That way you get Japanese games of all kinds in there, and just make /v/ into western gaming
>>350962
We don't want you funposting on here Reddit. Go back to r/4chan where you belong
Hiro, instead of making two new boards, why not make all Japanese gaming shit/waifu threads go to /jp/ and rename it Otaku Gaming? Current /jp/ serves no purpose anymore thanks to /int/. And simply rename /v/ and western gaming
>>350967
Look at this autistic loser get assblasted for being called out on this stupidity
Seems I hit a nerve
Want to talk about it?
>>350977
No you're just butthurt your little clubhouse might get split. What afraid you cna't post your e-celeb threads or shill your Star Wars Battlefront game?
>>350977
Hey frendo! You seem to be on the wrong website. But no worries! Reddit is just a few clicks away
/v/ is moderated. If you want change do your part and start using pic related more.
>>350928
That board nowadays is invaded by normalfags and kids. It's basically like facebook or twitter with the difference that they're anonymous and can post politically incorrect things.
Proof of this is that a lot of faggots get triggered by pictures with japanese art style and keep spouting shit like "weebshit" or "animeposter", like it wasn't the norm on 4chan years ago.
There's no way to save that shithole and what's worse is that the cancer is slowly spreading in other boards.
>>351003
You realize that never works correct? and even if they do its only for the occasional porno thread that gets spammed. The mods seem to delete threads they don't like, while keeping shit like e-celeb threads alive
>>351009
So far its contained in /v/. Most other boards seem fine with it. Even /pol/ doesn't mind. /v/ is where the majority of the kids and Redditors go to
>>350928
Eh, I don't care if there's a split or not but I don't see how it will help. I'm not a mod but seems like you're just telling them instead of mowing one 2,000 square foot lawn they need to mow 2 1,000 square foot lawns. I don't expect the traffic on the two boards to change much in total. If anything you'll get a surge of posts when the boards are split and months of one board trolling the other and which board is better fights.
Anyway, I think one way to help clean up /v/ is just banning people on mobile devices from making threads. Too often in a shitpost thread the image is a mobile screen cap of a site or tweet and/or the link is for the mobile version of a site. It won't solve everything but it would help.
>>351016
That's another solution people have been begging for a while now to get. What I suggest is to move Japanese gaming to /jp/ and just keep /v/ as a western gaming board.
Can you guys just go back to leddit if you want a hugbox? thx m8s
>>350928
Other than porn/gamergate/sjw fear mongering/and other off topic threads, what's wrong with /v/?
>>351029
You just summed it up perfectly in terms of what's wrong. Don't forget the Redditors, normies, e-celeb threads, spam of games that we already have 10 topics on, all that shit
>>351021
At this point, there's literally no difference between /v/ and reddit.
>>351029
they called my favourite game shit :(((
>>351033
>Redditors
Stop it. It's been 5 years since the great reddit panic. There's no way to know for certain who is a redditor and who' s not. It's just a worn out boogeyman.
>normies
I don't know what that even means really. Most of /v/ is "normal" and is in school or works.
>e-celeb threads
We've had AVGN and spoony threads for nearly a decade. They're allowed.
>spam of games that we already have 10 topics on
I agree but I don't really mind it too much either. Of course a popular subject will be discussed a lot.
>>351019
>people
your headmates don't count as people lmao
why can't you dweebs keep your shit in one thread?
shaking my head to be honest, brah
That GG shit killed /v/. You can be in denial an say that it didn't happen all you want, but if you were there during that time you should have at least noticed how many people from other sites were posting on /v/.
/v/ didn't fight them at the time and they didn't left. Now it's their board and there's nothing we can do about it.
>>351067
>everyone who opposed the retarded faggotry of gg was an infiltrator from another site
Fuck off
>>351073
I didn't say this. I still don't even know what all that GG shit was about and I don't even care. That it attracted people from other sites is a fact though.
>>350928
I really don't think a board split would be helpful at this point. Particularly I don't think a western/japanese split would be healthy at all- it would just validate the anti-weeb posters, attracting more of them to the site and creating a rift in the community. The western board would become even more insufferable meaning that decent weebfolk would be unable to discuss western video games on a decent board.
Maybe just try to encourage people to use the other 2 video game boards that already exist? Like threads for big new releases (eg. Fallout 4) could be sent to /vg/, thus reducing traffic on /v/ and making it easier to moderate
>>351141
Its not going to work. Weebs want their weeb thrads and westakeks want their westakek threads. You NEED the split i'm sorry to say. And enough of this "community" bullshit. moot was an idiot for even trying to push that. That's why we didn't get boards people wanted, because he was all about "muh community"
>>351067
Agreed. GG really killed /v/. Again it can still be saved, but you have to move the weebs out and onto /jp/
>>351166
The commuinity with the weebs and the westakeks is damaged beyond repair. Westakeks HATE anime and Japanese games with an anime art style with a passion. They label anyone that likes those games pedophiles and they derail those threads. A split is the only thing that can save /v/ now. No amount of increased moderation and enforcing the rules will do any good
/v/ needs thread IDs, it would cut down on shilling and people screaming "shill" likes its some kind of bogeyman
>>351176
That would piss a lot of people off. People on here value their anonymity, and having ID's breaches that. However I do agree. But the main problem is mobile posting, which should be banned period
>>351174
This is something I find annoying about /v/. Its full of these westakeks who start screeching the instant anything even remotely weeb shows up despite 4chan being made for weebshit
>>351298
They're from Reddit and Neogaf. They've always hated it. Reddit's gaming subreddit is a known cesspool for western games and Neogaf despises anything Japanese. Sure you got the old fags still, but it's getting harder and harder to get your voice out
>>351141
>>351166
>>351298
I really don't think it's as bad as you claim. In fact I'm gonna take a quick look at /v/ right now.
>top thread is SMT
>>>/v/317032498
>no shitposting
>200 post blaz blu thread
>>>/v/317010015
>no shitposting
>300 post fucking disgaea thread
>>>/v/317020108
>no shitposting
>200 post fire emblem thread with anime style OP
>>>/v/317028164
>no shitposting
Also it just makes no sense considering tonnes of games that are popular in the west are made in japan and have varyingly japanese styles- where do you draw the line? Do we disallow capcom, konami, from and nintendo games from /v/?
It's starting to look like the people who want this split are actually posing "westakeks" trying to get weebs off /v/
I really don't think another board split is desirable much less necessary
>>351383
It's needed. You're lucky you found those, because most threads are shitty western threads that are off topic. We need this split
>>351510
>I have no counter-evidence or substantial argument but you're definitely wrong because I say so
noice
>>351533
>I can't have my Reddit 2.0 so I'm going to bitch about it
Noice
>>351543
I'm not even bitching, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong. You're the one that's bitching
There's literally a weebshit thread always up on /vg/.
Use that if you need a fucking hugbox
>>351547
There's a lot fucking wrong. You're just so used to Reddit you don't even see it
>Splitting /v/ in some cirlcejerk boards
>Ever
NO WALL!
LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT AND STOP TO BE TRIGGERED!
>>351560
Yeah and let you Redditors keep ruining things? No thanks
>>351581
>>351556
Keep screaming about the reddit boogieman. I can't recognise reddit because I have never used the site, but you sure seem to know a lot about it
I'm not saying /v/ is perfect- it could definitely stand to be slower and more moderated, but a board split is not the answer. Maybe you should stop getting triggered by people who like different things
>>351600
Mods won't step up and they sure as hell don't want to do the work. /v/ is way too big to be moderated. So yeah a split would be great
>>351600
>says people get triggered from different opinions
>gets triggered when his opinion is called shit
Kek
The shitposting about feminism/SJWs takes way too long to be deleted or is not even deleted at all. This is up for over an hour already: >>>/v/317067147
>>351647
This should have been deleted in 6 minutes easily. I hate SJW's but I know shit threads when I see one
>>351636
The difference is I'm not advocating that we take drastic measures to prevent my being triggered. I'm not advocating that opinions I don't like should be banned or moved to a new board, I'm advocating the exact opposite
Hiro where are you? We got so many threads talking about /v/ and Reddit
>>350928
/v/ has been split a few times already.
We have /vg/, /vr/, and /vp/. These boards are arguably better than /v/ because these boards stay on topic while /v/ gets butthurt when you even mention generals which is ironic because /v/ is just one big shitty general about spouting uneducated opinions about video games and condemning anything they dont like as "Reddit."
And that second point is also ironic as fuck because /v/ has THE highest amount of Redditors. I know people like to cite /co/ and /tv/ but /co/ has more Tumblr users and the Reddit fags that go to /tv/ usually only go to that board.
Here's why /v/ is so shit. It isnt just because outsiders post there. /v/ is way too welcoming to outsiders, underageB&, and "normies."
A lot of other boards dont openly welcome retards like /v/ does. There is no amount of moderation that can fix a board that is in this condition. In fact, it only made it worse because the mods will come from the same board and just shit on anyone that DOESNT act like a complete tool. You remember 2012-2013? Those were shitty years for /v/. It was actually worse then than it is now because of all the shitposting.
Now, WHY does /v/ attract retards? I honestly dont know. Maybe it's because the mods dont publicly ban people enough. Maybe it's because whining about things you dont like is encouraged instead of just ignoring it and playing the games you do like. Maybe it's because Reddit fags keep trying to make epic shitposts so they can be the next pic related.
I dont know because I dont go to /v/ much because if I want to talk about a specific game I just go to /vg/ instead.
Trying to discuss a certain game on /v/ just gets you a bunch of teenagers screaming at you because the game is on a console they dont like, or on a console at all, or exclusive to PC, or on Steam, or some other arbitrary bullshit that no one gives a shit about.
>>350928
>splitting a board that has already been split 3 times
Are you retarded? Splitting /v/ has never worked and will never work, might as well bang your head against a wall
>>351725
>giving birth to three boards better than the original
You forgot the rest of your greentext
Parts of /v/ can be salvaged, the board as a whole? No fucking way.
/ev/: eastern video games
/wv/: western video games
>>351706
Nailed it right on the head. You can only save /v/ now by dividing things up
>>351731
Just move all Japanese games that have an anime artstyle to /jp/ and leave /v/ for western games
>>351791
>Just move all Japanese games that have an anime artstyle to /jp/
No.
Would 2hu be allowed on the eastern board?
>>351805
Yes, and VN's and Japanese mobile games
>>351799
And care to explain why it's better to leave them in /v/ where they will be shitposted to hell and anyone talking about the game be labeled a pedophile?
>>351827
If you can't handle the bantz get outta the 4chains
>>351827
Because that's where they belong. Shitposters should be banned either way
If we cave to the shitposters then it just validates them, attracts more to the site, and the board becomes even worse.
>>351791
/jp/ would never accept that shit. You're retarded. I don't want to share a board with idolfags and other stuff which has nothing to do with videogames. And why only games with an anime artstyle? All Japanese games should go to /vj/ and leave /vw/ to be just a rotting carcass full of shitposting.
>>351827
>And care to explain why it's better to leave them in /v/ where they will be shitposted to hell and anyone talking about the game be labeled a pedophile?
/v/ doesn't need more boards.
If you don't want to be called pedophile don't go to /jp/
/jp/ doesn't need the /v/ userbase, actually no board needs /v/ userbase.
>>351901
It's too late for that; modern /v/'s userbase is spilling to other boards and worsening the quality of discussion. They need a purge.
I don't think modern is just modern /v/'s userbase but new users who don't know and don't care about 4chan culture.
Just leave /v/ the way it is and make /vj/. Don't delete the old /v/, don't involve /jp/, just create /vj/.
>>352148
That is modern /v/'s userbase in a nutshell.
>>352521
Just make /v/ into Western Gaming, that's all you gotta do. And then like you said move all Japanese games to /jp/. Of course /jp/ might throw some bitch fitting but they'll get used to it pretty quickly
>>353164
You're going to have to make a 2D/Random and an /idol/ board to accommodate the rest of the people who are going to have their discussions pushed off the board due to that. Remember that the majority of the discussion on /v/ barring the latest AAA Western shit is about Japanese games. Moving all of that to /jp/ would result in no space for their other threads.
>>353173
Actually i'll balance out quite nicely. Most of /jp/ love anime games. Idols would go to /cel/ the celebrity board
In the end none of this would have happened if GamerGate happened started. Most of the censoring was about Japanese games getting censored. Western games were totally fine, even though they were getting more and more progressive over time. Going after Anita and Zoe was a bad fucking move. Anita would never have gotten her series funded had faggots not given her so much negative attention.
Then when moot started cracking down on GamerGate talk((which may have been the result of his then Gawker girlfriend forcing him to do it, who it was later found out was cheating on him the entire time)).
The point being is, GamerGate drew in a massive crowd from Reddit and Facebook who never fucking left because they viewed /v/ and /b/ 2.0 and loved to "funpost" while having "serious" conversations on Reddit. it was moot's fault for firing a good amount of moderators and bringing in new ones who either didn't care or were so bad at their job they were fucking up all over the place
>>350929
This. Just ban all video game related discussion from 4chan. This is a Chinese cartoon imageboard, not a video game imageboard.
praying for a Hiro response
>>351612
>/v/ is way too big to be moderated. So yeah a split would be great
>0.5 + 0.5 + (userbase overlap) = less than 1
Where would that extra moderating power appear from? Out of thin air or your ass?
If /g/ wasnt a thing it would make sense to give mustard race their own board
>>353246
>which may have been the result of his then Gawker girlfriend forcing him to do it
Fuck off with that shit. It was being cracked down on because it was clogging up the board and was completely out of control. Like half the threads on /v/ were Gamergate bollocks.
Eastern westenr split would be one of the worst possible cases with discussions being highly restricted and impossible to moderate whatever idiotic rules you may come up with.
All /v/ needs is keeping up its moderation and the users actually reporting for bannable offensive.
Please Hiro chime in soon
>>353691
You do realize that increased moderation and reporting threads does nothing now right? /v/ is way too big to be moderated fully, and the normies and Redditors won't report threads at all. Admin intervention is needed
ITT: People who don't frequent /v/ bitching about /v/. /v/'s problem isn't people playing western games, it's autistic neckbeards of all stripes. Splitting /v/ into two boards would just exacerbate its problems, and you'd have one board that was constant bitching about e-celebs and journalism, and another one that was constantly crying about censorship and posting inane waifu shit.
And don't even try to tell me that /vj/ would somehow be better than /vw/. I've seen the games y'all like (Fortune Summoner, Neptunia, Akiba's Trip, Senran kagura etc.) and I know you'll buy any old shit as long as it has kawaii loli waifus pasted all over it.
Stealth-split /v/ in half.
Description:
Default behaviour is you click / open /v/.
Behind the scenes, on the server, you are sent to one of 2 or more virtual /v/s.
This is completely invisible to you on your end.
Now, of course, preventing people to be on the other board would be very shitty, so there'd be a link to send you to the other board at the top somewhere, similar to where the text boards links used to be. (;-;) RIP
Advantages? :
After about a month, the populations of the boards will equal out.
Threads will be slower, leaving space for actual discussion and content to be created.
Easier to moderate.
Disadvantages? :
You will need to grow some patience and wait for a month, you know, like literally every single time any new board or feature has been added in the entire history of this site.
>>351067
/v/ was dead way before that.
It died 2010 onwards due a massive influx from another imageboard (forgot the name now, fuck), reddit and youtube.
In fact, I am sure some game forums even came here too. But that has steadily been happening since as far as I can remember back to 2004. Hell, even Myspace Videogame forums mentioned /v/. (since we basically owned the VGF and had 2 mods running that shit, it was a secondary go-to when 4chan was shitting itself)
Even when this site was known about by half the internet communities in 2003-5, it was still fine.
The reason 2010 period was so bad was because it pushed the population numbers way beyond what could be reasonably managed with so few mods and janitors.
If you don't scale staff with population, it all goes so shit regardless of community.
>>351178
That'd be great, this site started off with pro-identity fags anyway. Bring it back and make people defend their posts. All the weak anonymous cowards will fuck off and hide again.
Anonymity only became a "treasured" thing when moot caved to world2ch faggots in 2005-06, nobody else cared for it.
>>354012
And /vj/ would be way more on topic considering most westakeks just shitpost and spam shity memes all day
>>354095
How about this: encourage more weeb games on /jp/ but don't disallow them from /v/
That way the triggered autists crying in this thread can go to their /jp/ hugbox and everybody else can carry on as normal
Just delete the entirety of 4chan and be done with it.
>>351706
>because these boards stay on topic
The bigger part of /vg/ generals discuss everything else but the game their general is based upon.
/vp/ is mostly "I want to fuck pokemon" instead of talking about the games.
Can't say much about /vr/ as I don't go there that much.
>>354095
I don't care how classy and relaxing the atmosphere in your restaurant is. If you're only serving shit on a plate, then the restaurant is shitty.
>>351003
how do I go about getting the delete and archive option?
>>354172
/jp/ doesn't want /v/tards
>>353246
Not really, the problem was tolerating vidya tits and shitty weeb pandering games.
Invited faggots who do nothing but post vidya girls all damn day and claim waifus like faggots
>>351706
Pretty accurate.
With that, I don't think a split would be effective. Sure, /vp/ worked because it's only about a contained franchise. /vg/ is for generals so of course it stays on topic (don't go that much there though). /vr/ is very slow and I think it attracts older people, therefore more mature on average, so it goes well. But splitting /v/ between western and eastern is just too general. Both are really vast fields, so they will just become two mini-/v/. You will still have shitposters who derail threads.
The only way to fix that shithole is, maybe, a better moderation, tighter, to remove shitpost and thread derailment. Maybe after a while of strict moderation, the board will become slightly slower, but if it doesn't work, then the board is beyond saving.
The biggest problem being shitty console wars, and we can't make different boards for pc gaming, xbox, sony and nintendo (also, that would be a problem for multiplats). /v/ is shit because video games have an awful community, we can't do anything about it.
>A split wouldn't work because we already did it before
>/vp/ is just a containment board
>/vg/ is the same
>/vr/ is muh special snowflake board
It's time to do a BETTER split.
Something that's not useless shit.
Make four new boards. One for PC, one for Nintendo, one for Microsoft, and one for Sony. Keep /v/, people can discuss multiplats there if they want.
>>354277
Most of the sane guys on /v/ are the ones that like Japanese games like Senran Kagura and Fire Emblem. It'll be an easy move, and it doesn't' require you to make another board
>>351706
If /v/ is so welcoming to outsiders how come no one wants to use the board and would rather use the spin-offs?
>>354615
/v/ is WAY too open to outsiders that's the problem. They just have been more hostile to Redditors and normies and instead they went soft on them after the GamerGate debacle. Now look at what's happened. /v/ is where you go to "funpost" according to Reddit. This mentalility must stop and soon. Word Filters, splitting /v/, whatever it takes to drive them off
>>355173
You have to be delusional to think that /v/ was anyhow different before GG. Also, I don't think that Hiro is going to willingly drive site's traffic out.
>>355191
I didn't say he's driving it off, i'm saying he needs to fix /v/ from being over saturated. A split would be quite benefifical to both sides. Westakeks can talk about Call of Duty and Dudebros games without anime/weeb shit clogging things up, and weeaboos can talk aboht their favorite Japanese game without westakeks raiding the threads and calling everyone pedos
>>355233
You'll still have games by Nintendo, Konami, SCE Japan Studio, Bamco etc. on the split board so that wouldn't help as much as you might think.
>>350929
>>353250
>>351049
>The Ellen Pao migration was not even 6 months ago.
>It's been 5 years since the great reddit panic
>>350928
/v/'s moderation is absolutely deplorable. I don't think anything needs to be done until actual good moderation is at least attempted first.
For example that stupid Fallout 4 meme that shitters forced (Todd or whatever) shouldn't have gotten as far as it did. Shitty moderation is what allowed blatantly unfunny shitposting to become a board staple for months on end.
>>355191
>You have to be delusional to think that /v/ was anyhow different before GG
It actually was. I firmly fucking remember it at least being without forced social topics.
But then again /pol/ has been allowed to migrate to any board they choose and loosely relate it's subject to a larger social issue. That's a moderation issue more than anything.
>>350928
We can't divide /v/ again, we already have /vg/
My solutions:
>Increase moderation
Speaks for itself. Lots of shitposting threads go near bump limit before being deleted, when they even are deleted.
>Force Subject like /vg/
Will cut meme threads by making clear what it's the thread theme. Makes mods more aware if a thread intention is shitposting.
>Increase /vg/ moderation so it can be a real alternative to /v/
Shitposting threads, waifuposting should be purged from /vg/.
>ID's
Just give everyone ID's to stop samefagging, false flag and shill calling.
>>355295
>ID's
B-but this will make us more like leddit. H-how will I blatantly shit up the place then?
>>355297
If it depended on me, every board would have ID's and flags.
This 100% anonymity meme is good in theory, but in practice it only attracts funposters
/pol/ is much better with ID, it's amazing how they are more civil than /v/.
>>355301
Flags make sense on /int/, /sp/, perhaps even /pol/.
But why would you want flags on, say, /a/? /tg/? /ck/? /sci/? What would they even accomplish, besides derail a thread every once in a while when someone from a meme country posts?
>>355295
>Because we already had one split that worked well, we can't have another
This doesn't follow.
IDs don't prevent samefagging.
>>351067
GG killed the site for a whole 2 months before it was remoovd.
All the Ledditors moved to 8ch, sadly so did the 2007-2010 fags.
We're now left with VERY few oldfags and shitloads of newfags
Why don't you just ban anyone who says "muh sekret club"
You would ban most of the board and clean it successfully
>>355543
>All the Ledditors moved to 8ch, sadly so did the 2007-2010 fags.
Uh, no? Most of the oldfags I've run across absolutely hate raids.
>>351049
>There's no way to know for certain who is a redditor and who' s not.
found the redditor
I don't understand how there's still so much garbage on /v/ when mods are extremely active there because of all the frequent /v/ bans on the public list.
There should be a purge of some of the userbase there.
>>357566
3 days just isn't enough. I'm guilty of foolish baiting myself and I take those 3 day bans on the chin. It's fucking nothing.
>>357567
I agree, I think ban sentences could stand to be bumped up a bit.
Could the moderation issue be fixed?
>>359318
What issue? Ban one shitposter another three comes. Problem isn't moderation but the traffic. /v/ needs a complete nuke or full nazi mods and at least 10 day bans.
