Why is everyone against making new boards?
Isn't that how 2ch works? What's the problem?
>muh slow boards
So what? What's wrong with that?
Some people want to have few big boards so that they can shitpost with abandon. Not that creating new boards is always a good idea though (see: /aco/)
add a jerkcity board
I wish he'd make a cartoon board where we could talk about actual cartoons instead of capeshit for a change.
Fragmenting the community, moot said it multiple times already.
>>349007
The community is already fragmented. The problem is they're forced to live together. See
>Linux vs windows vs Mac
>Console wars on /v/
>Indie games, e-celebs, etc
>TV vs Movies
>cartoons vs capeshit
I'm not saying we need hugbox and circlejerks. But I don't see how letting people discuss what they want without having shitposter interjecting and derailing hte threads would be bad.
Also slow boards would mean threads that usually die fast would get a chance to live longer simply because some onethat is interested in the topic might see the thread days later. This is impossible with fast boards.
>>349007
moot was a fag and I don't miss him
>So what? What's wrong with that?
Nothing. The reason people are getting mad is because they're newfags who don't understand that imageboards aren't twitch chat. Making boards and slowing down the posting pace fucks with their ADHD addled brains and they can't handle it. They want their "board culture" to override where their content should go.
And we know it's not fragmenting anything because both 2ch and Futaba have tons of boards for even niche topics (unlike us, who only have two, and MAYBE arguably 4 with an overly specific focus), and those are incredibly popular and active without fragmenting the community. And we've managed to keep a general content philosophy on most boards so that a variety of things can be discussed on each board. Rather than making shit insanely specific like a cat board, a dog board, a board about gardening, etc.
So the only complaint is from newfags who either need to have the board go lighting fast so they can focus on it and LE EPIC FUNPOST XD or board culture faggots mad that their content has to go to a different board, because the other board of anonymous people was like family to them!
>>349007
There is no community. It's like referring to the entire Earth as a community. This place is huge, and it just keeps getting bigger.
>>349026
>So the only complaint is from newfags who either need to have the board go lighting fast so they can focus on it and LE EPIC FUNPOST XD or board culture faggots mad that their content has to go to a different board, because the other board of anonymous people was like family to them!
The less people use a board, the less people will use a board. Creativity and fun come from scenes, mixing cultures, and having other creative people with differing ideas around, not tailor made platforms for niche interests just because people can't get along. 4chan's not a chat, but it's not an archival forum with high posting standards (rule 6 isn't fooling anyone) where everyone is writing out essays and guides meant to last forever in searchable formats, either. It's an in-between, it's meant to be active, but not live. The problem is that if something is fractured to the point of being inactive, then there's no point in using 4chan over a traditional forum, in fact, it'd be worse.
>and those are incredibly popular and active without fragmenting the community
This is straight up ignorance. For instance, the sparse mahjong threads on /a/ and /jp/ alone have more posts and traffic than the entire mahjong BOARD of 2ch. Cats might be an even better example. /an/'s Cat Generals and other threads about cats have more content than, again, the entire Cat BOARD of 2ch.
moot himself talked about not wanting to fracture other boards, and the importance of critical mass (citing wakachan as an example), and while board culture can be an excuse to shitpost it's also an good reason to do something of worth. So just saying "LE NEWFAGS XD' doesn't really cut it.
tl;dr- ur a fagget and you should learn to share space before demanding safe space
>>349035
Okay, how about I tell you my story. I'm currently subbing an /m/ related anime so when I finish an episode I make a thread there. /m/ being slow means even after 3 or 4 days people notice the thread and go download the torrent.
Now if /m/ didn't exist and Imade this thread on /a/ it would last what one or two hours? So the people who don't browse all day every day would never even see the thread and never go get the episode.
Now this is just one example, but my point is that faster boards kill a lot of threads that sill deserve to be discussed even though they're not as fast as others.
Also think about how Pokémon discussion was on /v/ before /vp/ was created.
>hey guys how about a Pokém-
>FUCKING AUTISTIC MANCHILDREN GAY FURFAGS etc.
See, people are more prone to shitpost about what they have in front of them.
>>349035
>This is straight up ignorance. For instance, the sparse mahjong threads on /a/ and /jp/ alone have more posts and traffic than the entire mahjong BOARD of 2ch. Cats might be an even better example. /an/'s Cat Generals and other threads about cats have more content than, again, the entire Cat BOARD of 2ch.
Doesn't this mean that a /mahjong/ and /cat/ board deserve to exist then?
>>349043
>Now if /m/ didn't exist
The people that use it would be on /a/ or /jp/
>So the people who don't browse all day every day would never even see the thread and never go get the episode.
That's what a torrent tracker is for? Also, threads on /a/ last a lot longer than a few hours if there's anything to them. it can take over a day to reach bump limit. For instance there's an anon working on encoding the older HunterxHunter series and his work is quite visible because he posts in those threads.
>Also think about how Pokémon discussion was on /v/ before /vp/ was created.
Fair enough, but that's also because it was a niche enough interest that had too much presence, same issue touhou had, same issue bitcoin on /g/ had (which is why we have /biz/). /vp/ isn't the best example to point to of a quality board split though (smogon, rp, genwunners, and literal fucking play-by-play posts in romhack threads, etc. They do make nice drawings now and then though).
I will say, that I think the following are good guidelines for making new boards (because I think for the most part hiro has done a good job in the ones he has created)
1. The topic is niche but incredibly popular (ie, pokemon)
2. The topic isn't just going to go away, it has to be lasting popularity, not a fad (pokemon)
3. If something is still niche, and popular, but also probably just a fad then the board made to accommodate it needs to be able to hold other topics and also be sustainable long term when that topic fades out of popularity. An example of this would be touhou, which /jp/ was basically made for (among other topics not /a/ related). Touhou isn't nearly as popular as it used to be but the board still does well because it has things like Kancolle, Love Live, and idolm@ster to replace it.
4. The board has some feature to it that other boards don't (/f/ , /trash/ , /r9k/ etc)
>>349060
>that's what a torrent tracker is for?
Yeah, that's why I said that's just one example.
Like, take an anime only a few people have watched or a manga only few people have read. Make a thread on /a/ and it will die in a few hours.
But what if someone else wanted to discuss that anime/manga but wasn't on /a/ that day?
>/vp/ isn't the best example to point to of a quality board split though
I was about to say that myself in my post. But that wasn't my point anyway. My point is that being in a separate board, people ren't going to go out of their way to shitpost. So if I'm a /v/ shitposter I likely won't go all the way to /vp/ to insult Pokémon.
>>349065
>But what if someone else wanted to discuss that anime/manga but wasn't on /a/ that day?
That just falls to the nature of the ephemerality of the image board format. Things can simply be missed.
>>349070
Yeah, I guess you're right.
>>349035
>This is straight up ignorance. For instance, the sparse mahjong threads on /a/ and /jp/ alone have more posts and traffic than the entire mahjong BOARD of 2ch. Cats might be an even better example. /an/'s Cat Generals and other threads about cats have more content than, again, the entire Cat BOARD of 2ch.
2ch is the largest and most active forum in the fucking world. You're probably thinking of Futaba Channel which is, in current times, a lot slower than 4chan.
>The less people use a board, the less people will use a board. Creativity and fun come from scenes, mixing cultures, and having other creative people with differing ideas around, not tailor made platforms for niche interests just because people can't get along. 4chan's not a chat, but it's not an archival forum with high posting standards (rule 6 isn't fooling anyone) where everyone is writing out essays and guides meant to last forever in searchable formats, either. It's an in-between, it's meant to be active, but not live. The problem is that if something is fractured to the point of being inactive, then there's no point in using 4chan over a traditional forum
The greatest moments in 4chan's history comes from when it wasn't as active as it is now. Just because something is slower does not mean it's less interesting. Or that nothing is happening. The idea that something has to be happening every single second or it's dead is a modern invention because people have an attention span the size of a gnat's dick.
>tl;dr- ur a fagget and you should learn to share space before demanding safe space
Nobody's demanding a safe space. My homeboard was /b/ of all places. The thing is that these new boards all serve a variety of content that people want. They wanted a /his/ board to talk about history and the humanities for years. When I first got here in 2006 I've seen people bitching about it. It's not like anyone is demanding a safe space. But cramming too much together is no good.
>>349007
moot was a dumbass though, what the hell does he know about anything?
>>349077
>The greatest moments in 4chan's history
Were made that way because they are history. Anything of note today will be regarded in the future in the same way we regard things of note in the past.
This is of course ignoring the simple fact that 4chan's userbase is always growing so naturally anything interesting that happened in the past would have done so at a point when there were less users.
>The idea that something has to be happening every single second
Is exactly contrary to what I said:
>it's meant to be active, but not live
>>349100
>Were made that way because they are history. Anything of note today will be regarded in the future in the same way we regard things of note in the past.
No, not really. Because now there's no time for threads to last long enough for anything worthwhile to form. On slower boards, yeah, but /a/, /b/, and plenty of others haven't done a thing in years. If anything /a/ has gone from watching shows vaguely designed for adults to watching shows about little girls. And /b/ has become porn rolls and rate my cock: the board.
>This is of course ignoring the simple fact that 4chan's userbase is always growing so naturally anything interesting that happened in the past would have done so at a point when there were less users.
And compare those to slower imageboards and textboards that still have such threads made routinely. It's all about hitting the right middleground. You want active users, yes, but you don't want so many that everything gets crowded out and where the only shit that gets attention is cheap bait because that's what people will spot the most and rush towards, flooding everything else worthwhile out. So, given the amount of people that use 4chan, it is time to spread this shit out a little bit. And the extension has done more to damage 4chan and make it more like a chatroom than anything else.
>>348984
This. There is nothing wrong with boards being slow. Quite the contrary since it allows discussion of less popular subjects. Some people will say they're afraid of hugbox boards, like splitting /v/ by platforms. People are going to act retarded and antagonistic whether you quarantine them or not. At the very least we can relegate shitty opinions to nothing more than spillover.
>>349110
>On slower boards, yeah, but /a/, /b/, and plenty of others haven't done a thing in years
That's... quite wrong, quite.
boards.4chan.org/a/thread/133495469
Awful lot of threads made in the past three years to be posted in a thread about classics. Maybe it's because people enjoyed them?
>>348984
There is nothing wrong with slow boards, but there is no need to fucking artificially create that environment but splitting everything up with a unneeded amount of boards. We don't need a
/ar/ -anime retrro
/ss/ - seasonal shit
/a/ - shoenen shit
/ms/ - moeshit
/sma/ - seinen mananime shit
There is no need for this shit, other than because people are whiny little faggots who can't deal with the fact there is people they don't like and want their own little faggot safe space and also dislike not getting what they want. There are tons of reasons why this shouldn't be done, but I think the best reason is because, people think they are entitled to them, as such they shouldn't be made and they should learn to deal with the other faggots
>>349820
>artificially create
I don't know how to tell you this, anon, but websites don't occur naturally to begin with.
>>349192
>Awful lot of threads made in the past three years to be posted in a thread about classics. Maybe it's because people enjoyed them?
Well, /a/ is actually pretty fucking garbage now. They went from discussing stuff like Lupin III, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, and other mature anime into /mlp/: Anime Edition and now watch shows for little girls. So, I really don't care about /a/'s idea of "classic" because the board is a steaming pile of shit now. The bar for "classic" there is so low as to not even be worth mentioning, really.
>>350036
> and other mature anime into /mlp/: Anime Edition and now watch shows for little girls
>mature anime
AHAHAHAHAH
>>>/reddit/
The reason /a/ talks mostly about moeblob, is because they don't treat it like some sort of magical story telling medium, they treat it as entertainment. Which is what it is
>>350036
Except the little girls shows now, specially the harem shit is all Japan is airing nowadays
>>350051
You're right. Anime is shit anyway, I just said mature because it is comparatively mature and some of those were like any other cartoon that can be enjoyed. I only ever watched a few shows on and off when they were on TV. Not really a fan of weeb shit to begin with.
>The reason /a/ talks mostly about moeblob, is because they don't treat it like some sort of magical story telling medium, they treat it as entertainment. Which is what it is
No, it's just a show for little girls. It's pathetic is what it is. Sure, maybe as a novelty you can laugh at it, but to watch it consistently? Then you're probably not all there upstairs, my man. /a/ is shit and that's that. There's no saving it any more than an MLP fan can justify enjoying and finding entertainment in a cartoon aimed at little girls. If you enjoy it, then fine. That's the nature of 4chan and have your fun, but don't sit there and lie to me and yourself that it's anything but utterly pathetic.
>>350056
And that means you HAVE to watch it? There's no other options to entertain yourself? I don't know about you, but if TV only aired MLP all day, I wouldn't watch it because "it's all there is!". I'd do something else. Or are you just addicted to anything Japan shits out in cartoon form and can't help yourself from watching it?
>muh splintering the community
Such a bullshit concern troll.
These people are faggots who worry that, given options, everyone would leave their hugbox because it is shit.
These are the people who are VERY SERIOUS about board culture.
>>350065
>I just said mature because it is comparatively mature
No, it really isn't. The shit you listed is really no different to watching CGDCT
>No, it's just a show for little girls. It's pathetic is what it i
I might of agreed with you, if it wasn't for the fact the main audience for those shows are adults and are made for them, unlike MLP
>>350076
How about this instead, we shouldn't cater to moronic retards who think they are entitled to a hugbox board
Reluctance to create new boards is precisely how so many boards became such shit. It's a huge captive audience and a short ten pages of threads to dominate. How many of you had to leave a board because it became so shit? Was it a big board, or a small board?
>>350092
/vr/ is a example of a great board, and its got a good sized, passionate user base. /vg/ does decently, though it has its issues. /v/ needs to be purged big time
>>348984
I don't think it's "everyone" at all. It's at most one or two triggered sperglords who can't handle it for a variety of reasons.
>>350097
>/vg/ does decently
>circlejerking and a chatroom
?
>>350091
They're very different. Take a look at the one on the left vs the one on the right. Anime in the past was more like the one on the left, as were the other three animes I gave examples of that I've personally seen. Yeah, it's probably for teens, but lots of people watch cartoons meant for kids. Take adults who watch Looney Toons or other cartoons in the past. No worse than any other entertainment and I could see a guy watching it.
What's the shit on the right? That's what a male teenager or adult is watching? Why? Do you identify as a little girl? How do you find entertainment in something so girly and childish? And if you say it's for the porn or whatever, then why not just watch/look at the porn of it rather than the actual show?
>I might of agreed with you, if it wasn't for the fact the main audience for those shows are adults and are made for them, unlike MLP
No fucking way. That's either complete bullshit, which I'm pretty sure it is, or the state of "adult men" is so fucking pathetic that they get entertainment out of such MLP tier bullshit. So, is MLP also correct when they say it's also targeted towards adults, so it's totally cool that they love it?
You both watch shows for little girls. That's all there is to it. /a/ could at least defend itself if it watched shit on the left there. But whatever the fuck the shit is on the right or the one thing that's just a head sliding around dressed as a tomato? There's no defending that.
>>350108
We need another board to contain y'all's autism.
>>350108
I remember that pic.
>>350108
Anon please, you couldn't bait any more obviously, but on the odd chance your serious I'll give a half decent reply
The ratio of 'mature' anime and moeblob/SoL has more or less always been the same. The only reason you think its not, is because your a faggot who has probably only recently watched anime and only watch what reddit suggest. Which is also why you probably think that "deep, mature for a mature person such as myself" doesn't get made anymore.
>What's the shit on the right? That's what a male teenager or adult is watching? Why? Do you identify as a little girl? How do you find entertainment in something so girly and childish? And if you say it's for the porn or whatever, then why not just watch/look at the porn of it rather than the actual show?
Because you are a ADHD driven faggot kid who is incapable of enjoying entertainment and thinks everything needs to be deep, mature and meaningful
Pull off those faggot glasses anon, because most of the mature animes aren't really that deep nor mature and if anything, are less mature than CGDCT because its very rare for a kid to enjoy a show were literally nothing happens, but its something adults normally enjoy a lot
>>350134
>The only reason you think its not, is because your a faggot who has probably only recently watched anime and only watch what reddit suggest. Which is also why you probably think that "deep, mature for a mature person such as myself" doesn't get made anymore.
Yet I just said I don't even go to /a/ and don't really enjoy weeb shit at all. So, no, I never claimed anime was deep. It's all gay faggot shit to me. I just find it very funny that you claim /a/ is anything other than shit when it clearly watches shows that don't even try to hide the fact that it's made for little girls. You're no different than /mlp/ for that reason. Also, quit being a newfag. Calling everything Reddit isn't cool or an argument.
>Because you are a ADHD driven faggot kid who is incapable of enjoying entertainment and thinks everything needs to be deep, mature and meaningful
If I had ADHD I'd be watching the stuff you clearly do. Because I wouldn't have the attention span to enjoy "deep" things at all. I'd just be looking for quick, mindless fun. Sound familiar?
>Pull off those faggot glasses anon, because most of the mature animes aren't really that deep nor mature and if anything, are less mature than CGDCT because its very rare for a kid to enjoy a show were literally nothing happens, but its something adults normally enjoy a lot
Did you just say that watching little girls run around doing absolutely nothing is something that adults would enjoy a lot? That's more mature and something adults would enjoy more than something that at least tries to be serious and mature (whether or not it actually is)?
Well, you sure got me. I fell for the bait. And if it's not trolling, then god damn does saying all of this make you guys even more pathetic. Does /a/ seriously believe the shit you just said? Good lord it's even worse than I thought. Go back to your f/a/ggot board and just stay there. You're not even well adjusted enough for /b/.
>>350159
>I just find it very funny that you claim /a/ is anything other than shit when it clearly watches shows that don't even try to hide the fact that it's made for little girls.
Not the anon you're replying to but I thought this would be interesting to show you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidamari_Sketch
Demographic for that series is seinen, same as the anime you listed previously (Lupin III, Cowboy Bebop, and Trigun).
Seinen targets audiences anywhere from an 18-year old to a middle-aged salaryman.
You're free to dislike shows like Hidamari Sketch, but the MLP comparison doesn't hold water.
Call out things for what you think they are, not what they aren't, you know?
Whether you think that it's even more pathetic that some of those types of shows are aimed at older audiences is up to you, I'm just here to clarify things.
Lupin III is some good stuff, by the way. They've aired a pretty neat reboot this year.
>>350194
Thanks. Yeah, like you said I still feel the same way about it, but I was clearly wrong about the demographics they target. So, sorry about running my mouth about shit I didn't know. That's what I get for talking about shit I only have a passing knowledge of.
And I'll check out the reboot of Lupin II. It goes by the same name?
>>350215
>Yeah, like you said I still feel the same way about it, but I was clearly wrong about the demographics they target.
That's fine. People have their reasons for not liking certain things so I understand where you were coming from.
>And I'll check out the reboot of Lupin II. It goes by the same name?
Reboot may have actually been the wrong word to describe it, but yeah, the official title is Lupin III - The Italian Adventure. More of that Lupin Goodness.
It's only dubbed in Italian and Japanese, though, so you're out of luck if English dubs are your thing.
Thankfully, some kind Itali/a/non has been subtitling the episodes into English, although he still has some episodes to go.
If you know where to look, you should be able to find those episodes for download or the /a/ threads itali/a/non posts his stuff in (bless archives for this, I never have as much free time as I used to have so I always end up missing the threads with how fast /a/ is these days).
>>350159
>stop liking what I don't like: the post
Anon, just stop talking about /a/ if you don't like anime.
>>350159
>I just find it very funny that you claim /a/ is anything other than shit when it clearly watches shows that don't even try to hide the fact that it's made for little girls.
Most of those "little girl shows" are actually seinen, shows aimed specifically at adult men. I find it really funny how off-base anime casuals are about demographics. Most of the shows /v/ermin like are in fact made for children, while the shows they claim are "girly shit" are made for adult men.
>>350159
>Yet I just said I don't even go to /a/ and don't really enjoy weeb shit at all. So, no, I never claimed anime was deep. It's all gay faggot shit to me.
>I think /lit/ is shit because I don't like books
>/mu/ is shit because I don't listen to music
>/co/ is shit becaue I don't watch cartoons
>/fit/ is shit because I don't work out
>/an/ is shit because I don't have pets
>/ic/ is shit because I don't like art
etc.
>>350215
Did someone on 4chan just admit he was wrong? Holy shit, this may be the most integrity I have ever seen on this site.
>>349007
What community? These days the community is a bunch of fucks who have nothing in common with each other and hate each other's guts.
