/pol/eft here (Redpilled,non-cuck leftists,You know a leftist that wants out of the echo chamber that is most of readdit, and atechan /Ieftypol/, or just a leftist who browses /pol/ out of preference)
If we get rid of the meme shit Cuckservatism, the anime-nazi-bullshit, and the fascists edge lords too young to vote, there are quite a few classical liberals, or disenfranchised leftists.
We /pol/efts have a place, a home here, we need to reclaim left from Muzzi worshiping Free speech hating Buzzfeedian leftists, and i ask for the alliance of the right wingers to help, surly you want a competent enemy, and not the pile of degenerate cuck bullshit the media has dragged the left to.
Waiting to be called Pinko
Common /Pol/efts
>>81576990
El oh el shitty Querfront bullshit
You should get fucked with the racist scum just for being this retarded
>>81576990
>Begging for help
>not a cuck
Wew
>>81576990
Union Democrat here.
Bernie was Hitler-lite.
We need legitimate Hitler.
Americans need to clarify how much black lives matter when they actively try to destroy America by targeting the police.
>>81576990
Why would we want to get rid of memes?
>>81579055
Your really not helping, lets avoid dictators in general eh, no hitlers or stalins.
>surly you want a competent enemy
>>81579233
Oh dutch, weed booze trannies and memes.
>>81579449
fucking emu's.
>>81579670
Never forget the war of Great Emu War of 1932
>>81576990
Im voting Trump faggot
>>81580648
I love how it says commanders and leaders
>>81580749
Better then hilary, ill give you that.
Thread not ready to die.
Still waiting for those /pol/efts
404 please
>>81576990
paper beats stone
>>81582706
Go 404 yourself first.
Keep it breathing
>>81576990
>classical liberals
>leftists
Classical liberals are what libertarians call themselves in Europe.
>>81584020
Not really, no, not at all.
Libertarians are a stones throw away from Anarcho-capitalism, a fate worse the communism.
ITT
>left wingers confusing themselves for libertarians
>right wingers confusing themselves for authoritarians
They are independent.
I myself am a right wing libertarian.
>>81584020
>falling for this meme
>>81584228
>south east asian replies for europeans
No. Fuck off, emuy. The leaf is right.
>>81584326
Well i am a Libertarian left, these terms are indeed not exclusive to one wing.
But it gets messy when you add in Anarchism Anarcho-capitalism and libertarian (As a stand alone ideology) they may appear free socially or economically but that is far from the reality.
>>81576990
>i ask for the alliance of the right wingers to help
>We /pol/efts have a place, a home here
>surly you want a competent enemy
>LARPing this hard on a cambodian knitting forum
>>81576990
I am with you bro
>>81585929
Knew the Norskis were good people
>>81576990
I am among this number. However, there is nothing wrong with anime or LGBT. Obviously the subversion of legitimate issues by focusing on identity politics is a negative thing, but gays have just as much right to be here as anyone else. The /pol/tards calling it degeneracy are free to do so, just as we have a right to call them faggots and ignore them. Still, disenfranchising allies because of identity issues is dumb.
>>81580648
Pls explain meme. How did the emus win with no lives lost on the other side?
>>81587856
We gave up, our machine guns could not kill enough.
i'm a semi-nazi but half of what i read and think is leftist critiques of capitalism, neoliberalism, and globalism
i agree with the critiques, i just don't agree with the utopian end state. hierarchy and tradition and etc. are all inevitable and good things. i honestly don't see how adorno doesn't support that.
>>81576990
>/pol/eft
Not bad. But all the cool kids are alt-thing today. So why not go with alt-left?
http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/01/introducing-the-alt-left/
>Then there are the ones who stick around. Seriously though, who are the AltLeft anyway? Who are we? I would say that the majority are white people who hold a lot of typically leftist views on economics, the environment and some social issues, yet at some point realized the new left had become hostile to any white person even slightly reluctant to act as a scapegoat for everybody else’s problems. No self respecting white person would want to be associated with a movement that trashes their heroes, their culture, their history, denies their achievements . . . a movement which seeks to destroy their civilization and erases their identity. Hell, besides all that, a lot of cultural marxism has become so freaky that most normal white feminists and gays are probably weirded out by it.
>>81588943
Jesus Christ, I hope your government never accepts mass immigation of 'refugees'.
Leftist? Why? There haven't been any left presidents that did the country any good. Anyway, conservatives are more fiscally responsible...in theory.
left right left right left right, liberal, conservatiive.... You realize reason doesn't take side? And you take side? What does that makes you? A fuckinf ideologic retard. what a ideologic retard? SFW, MUSLIMS, LEFTSIT, RIGHTIST, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, CHRISTIAN, MORMON, MORRON.... WHAT ELSE DID I FORGET?
flag noted
>>81576990
>classical liberal
>leftist
i'm confused, conservatives are basically classical liberals, it's just semantics of terminology
>>81589463
That's probably where I fit in. I just think of myself as an old fashioned socialist/social democrat.
>>81580648
Can this meme go away? This fucking war was literally NOTHING compared to the Great 4 Year War.
It's been said the Tanzanian military had to mobilize 1,000,000 troops to monitor the situation.
>>81589463
I like it.
>>81576990
>We /pol/efts have a place, a home here, we need to reclaim left from Muzzi worshiping Free speech hating Buzzfeedian leftists, and i ask for the alliance of the right wingers to help, surly you want a competent enemy, and not the pile of degenerate cuck bullshit the media has dragged the left to.
No. You tried to destroy us and now that you can't you want synthesis.
>>81589726
It was leftists who won WW2, and leftist economics that powered the Allies, from the conservative UK to the more "Progressive" US of its era are why we won the war, in desperate situations far left economics can turn a nation around.
But for the more peaceful times, a semi regulated capitalist economy is best.
>>81589463
I know of the Alt-left, but in this context /pol/eft works better, i would call myself Alt-left, but the goal is to overtake mainstream left, and make the SJW type, that "Other" fringe group again.
>>81576990
I Lurk /pol/ daily. I think its probably 50/50 her with ALOT of fucking Shill posting. I mean shit Hillary is no True Democrat. I consider myself old school An-Syndicate/Laborer Party
The underage basement dwellers masturbaing to anime and screaming for a hot pocket dont trigger me lol
No Gods No Kings
No Slaves or Masters
An injury to one is an injury to all
o/
Join the Syndicate
>>81582942
underrated
>>81579055
>Union Democrat
Unions are shit man, what job do you do?
Leftist here. I don't browse leftist boards either because I don't need to. I read history, I read the news, and I form my own option.
I come here to argue with idiots, because it's the only place I can do so without getting banned.
>>81589726
Your glorious faggot 50's displayed higher taxes on the rich, more infrastructure projects and much lower wealth inequality.
>>81590210
Common goal, common enemy, fight them, togther then fight us.
I hate red pill now. Lets all take a #ShillPill.
>>81590330
FUCK YOU NIGGER
I work at the power plant. 4th generation Laborer. You fags just do not understand how much Unions actually raise the standard of living for everyone cause of the Right to Work bullshit that gets projected here with the other hard right bullshit
>>81590411
Same. It would still be good to have a place with other left non-sjws though.
What do you think about nationalizing resources?
Oh shit, the chaos, what have i done to dearest /pol/ ???
>>81576990
>mudslimes want to kill you for not being a barbarian
>leftists want to steal your money for working harder than the average person
>conservacucks want to control what you do with your own body
FUCK all of you
>>81590448
You are going to need alot more Slavoj Žižeks then.
>>81576990
>Redpilled,non-cuck leftists
?????
>>81589947
This is basically the same as me, i would say i'm just a classic socialist.
>>81590316
The IWW hasn't been relevant for a century, move on
I'm sceptical of all the 19th/20th century approaches to socialism. the world has changed greatly, even the hammer and sickle is mostly irrelevant to workers in the "first world", a computer and phone would be more relevant.
>>81590485
>Right to work is bull shit
What's wrong with right to work?
My cousin's been in like 5 different Unions because he jumps around different jobs, and he gets nothing, all they do is steal money from his pay check.
Please explain why that's not bull shit.
>>81590743
No I understand, but its kids our age that dont understand what Unions in general were. Hell I think the internet is the one thing that levels the playing field, can actually achieve the closest to TRUE anarchy on the Internet.
>>81590640
Yes, do you have a problem with the Liberation of the working class?
Wow i sound like a commie sometimes, glad i can say this with my free speech that i value above all else, and should be infinitely value as a leftist..... fucking leftybuzzfeediacucks
>>81590229
>but the goal is to overtake mainstream left, and make the SJW type, that "Other" fringe group again.
I think you'd be better to distance yourself from the old new-left completely. Look at the alt-right. I didn't imagine even 5 years ago that you'd have kids identifying with the anything 'right'. If you're right on contrarianism, and I think you are, we'll likely see many more kids taking the anti-establishment line (remember the establishment love PC, multi-kult BS). Plus it sounds edgy. Kids love edgy.
>An injury to one is an injury to all
Take your internationalist bullshit and spin on it.
>>81591037
To be fair, you shouldn't feel embarrassed to express any view on this board. There are flat earthers, sexless loners who think sex is one of society's main problems and evolution deniers here.
>>81590946
Right to work literally give no power to the workers to barter as on (Union) to their employer. Hell before Unions and Laborer laws, every day was bring your kid to work day, you could work all day long, you could have terrible conditions, unsafe work places, and people got tired of that shit.
IDK how it is in Germany, but here in America when youre in a Union, youre in it untill you retire. You join and learn a trade, like I have been a Carpenters Apprenntice and Learned how to carry Hod like my father. Now whenever a gvt or comercial contract goes out, and a contractor comes in to hire people out of the hall, and they need a Hod Carrier, the BA will call me out
How is that so fucking bad?
>>81591109
>Look at the alt-right. I didn't imagine even 5 years ago that you'd have kids identifying with the anything 'right'.
This gives me hope, the explosion of the alt-right gives me hope that the left will develop something similar and call out the neoliberal sjw pc bullshit for what it really is.
>>81591489
We need a leader. The Alt-Right didn't have much steam until Trump made his Mexicans aren't bringing their best speech.
>>81591489
>>81591109
Well maybe your right, a united separate movement may break it.
There is a huge disconnect between Media and the people, this disconnect is our goal, we need to build a collective force behind it.
>>81591489
>>81591600
you autists need to realise most of us were just like you.
>>81591600
Yes this is another problem, lack of leadership. The alt-right has Trump, and a large amount of content creators on youtube that are extremely popular.
>>81591489
left/pol/ claim in their FAQ to be the non-sjw left. But any racialism, any criticism of islam, of anti-fa even the suggesting of differences in innate ability triggers them hard. They're also mostly internationalist shits too.
>>81591450
I'm American visiting family, I live in Illinois, and Unions seem corrupt.
I haven't dealt with it myself, but my cousin, who's done work as a substitute teacher, delivery driver, and a couple other odd jobs, says he gets fucked cause he always has to pay Union dues despite never wanting to. I also heard about some buildings being burned around St. Louis cause they didn't use Union workers, but I'd have to look it up.
>>81591805
They tend to be a bit on the commie side, i find myself liking well regulated capitalism, over straight socialism, as that should be left for times of need.
>>81591109
>internationalist bullshit and spin on it.
Not that guy, but hold up now. I get it that you don't want to be in any way responsible for, or in any way beholden to, motherfuckers from Away. I can understand that, it speaks to me as well.
But how can you deny the fact that we're all pieces of one great machine? Life is sustained only by a great network of cross reliance between different species. We humans have an exceptionally rare opportunity to work together as an entire species and overcome the bonds of our planet. This is the only method that doesn't end in our species extinction.
I would absolutely be fine with a Socialist economic system (Worker ownership over the means of production) if everything else was fashy as fuck. Full on nationalism, closed borders, traditional values.
It's sad to see socialist thought has drifted so far left and begun to include so much other (((intersectional))) bullshit like feminism and social justice autism.
>>81591684
We need a equivalent of cuckservative for lefties that refuse to condemn the left's sacred cows of multi-kult and PC.
>>81591722
I'm never joining the alt-right, I'm opposed to right wing philosophies in the first place. /pol/ is wrong about a lot.
>>81592025
Classcucks
>>81592025
also, more memes.
>>81591778
It's primed for a leader, tons and tons of anti-sjw leftists on reddit. Most young white males who are leftists at this point hate SJWs.
>>81591895
LOL Well not that Im from the STL area or anything. Businesses dont get their shit fucked up if they hire Union. Its Corrupt but for the working class, not like Gvt Shills corrupt for the Corperations and Wall Street.
Also if he is in Illionis and making union wages 18-24 dollars an hour with beneifits and he bitches about paying 7 dollars a day in dues, He should quit and give the Union job to people who wait in line for it.
>>81576990
Too bad.
>>81592208
If you are opposed to us so much then why are you here on /pol/
We should make these threads a regular thing tbqh.
>>81592001
The alt-left may be the place for you. Though it tends to be more socially progressive.
> Charles Krafft Is a White Nationalist Who Believes the Holocaust Is a Deliberately Exaggerated Myth
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/charles-krafft-is-a-white-nationalist-who-believes-the-holocaust-is-a-deliberately-exaggerated-myth/Content?oid=15995245
And Millennial Woes on the alt-left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ_sjCPqNEs
>>81576990
Classical liberals are virtually guaranteed to vote Republican or third party and despise Leftists.
Fuck off back to cripple chan, you stupid commies.
>>81591600
Your shitheads have had almost a decade to become the dominant force on your side, if you were going to do it you would have done it by now. You jackasses can't even meme properly, you're not going to do shit.
>>81592454
Because there is no other place with similar traffic to discuss politics without a points system or censorship.
>>81592507
Agreed. Are we calling this the alt-left?
>>81581001
I thought you were a traditional Democrat? Most of your kind are licking her clit. You better start
>>81592673
Define alt-left
>>81592454
this place is funny and I like the shitposting nature of /pol/
most leftists IRL are uptight normies and I'm pretty shut-in anyway
>>81592454
>implying /pol/ is alt right
the alt right is degenerate as fuck controlled opposition with zero principles of any kind besides basic edgelord-tier opposition to feminism and social justice
Its basically just disagreement and opposition to leftist principles without attacking their ideological foundations and arguing from a well-read and principled standpoint with an established set of solutions (aka any other far-right wing ideology)
>>81592673
I'm not sure if we should use the term alt-left, it sounds like a blatant ripoff of the alt-right.
>>81592732
Anti-SJW leftists. Very simple.
>>81592725
lol no, Clinton is a neoliberal warmonger
I was disappointed Sanders endorsed her but he wasn't even that radical anyway. Should've endorsed Stein
Are all lefties in favour of globalism/international proletariat etc or just the (((lefties)))?
>>81592819
Agreed, and it's already been taken.
Give me a min.
>>81592454
>/pol/
>purely alt-right
Tell that to the canucks.
>>81592829
Yeah but what does that mean? You're defining yourself by what you are not. That tells me nothing. Define SJW
>>81576990
I think classical leftists pay more attention to issues revolving around class/imperialism/greed than identity politics and all the crap the new left/college twats think leftism is.
I try to stay out of politics but if I had to lean towards an ideology it would probably be socialism.
>>81592732
Right, nationalistic tendencies as well.
If you see your nation as of primary importance and SJWs piss you off, but you're a leftist otherwise, you belong with us.
Red, green and nationalist is the way to go desu.
>>81589475
We don't, we stick them on islands in tents, force them to live in their own shit and piss and have laws allowing us to arrest pussy journalists who complain about it, you should try it sometime! Maybe use the Isle of Wight? Or, if things get really bad, you could even try Ireland?
>>81592576
This
Trump is actually for the working class, I dont like him cause he's a fucking faccist tho
Shillary sat on the Walmart Board of Directors, and her husband consistantly sold out the middle class.
mfw I dont know who Im gonna vote for. I fucking hate her, he is a walking meme, Jill Stein has the right words but dosent get how shit really works, I cant vote for Libertarian's cause they are anti-Union although I agree on all social issues with them
fucking elections
>>81592673
So you are just DNC shills who want to subvert our movement now that we have made it popular. Thanks for reminding me why i should never compromise and that every leftist needs to be put into an oven.
>>81592937
Look it up yourself retard, the word is used all the fucking time. It's your fault that you don't know it.
>>81592886
well since we tend to have a more traditionalist worker mindset of leftism how about something like traditional-left? trad-left? traditional-socialists?
>>81592976
What if my Nation is just the part of my state I can drive to in a day?
>>81593025
>republican
>for the working class
>>81576990
EAT SHIT AND DIE UGLY SOCIALIST
>>81593032
Not what I said at all, end your life as soon as possible.
>>81591975
>But how can you deny the fact that we're all pieces of one great machine? Life is sustained only by a great network of cross reliance between different species. We humans have an exceptionally rare opportunity to work together as an entire species and overcome the bonds of our planet. This is the only method that doesn't end in our species extinction.
Maybe so but we can't go with the current system of some people working for the advancement of the species and others leeching. Putting our own nations first does not mean kicking the shit out of and exploiting other nations. But the current leftist approach of 'internationalist or no deal' is fucked. The only way they can do that is drag us all down the the level of our weakest chain first. Why throw away the progress we have when it makes realisation of something socialist that much easier?
>>81576990
Do as I say pol.
>>81593041
It's a word that has a million meanings jackass. I'm demanding Yours. Mine is probably different.
>>81591600
>>81591778
Why the fuck would you want to be like the alt-right?
>>81592976
Literally this.
>>81593097
Whatever fine, just as long as it's not a "no borders we're all humans" type philosophy.
>>81592994
>green
I do like the idea of eco-socialism. Not the meme "lets live like hippies on a commune" but futuristic, low pollution/high tech socialism.
Star Trek, basically.
>>81593128
How about i end yours instead. Leftist cucks get out of /pol/ and take your smelly muslims with you.
OUT OUT OUT
>>81593215
>>81593215
Not what I was saying.
>>81593204
It does not have a million meanings, get your shit together.
>>81592998
Ireland wanted a separate country just for terrorists who hate the UK so the refugees would fit right in.
>>81592976
Nation and culture are also separate from race. That's an important distinction.
Culture helps define a nation.
To those on the left, race isn't a part of culture, you can be African American and still be American.
>>81576990
so you're a socialist who wants to blanda up with nationalists
have you considered national socialism?
>>81593255
>no borders
Immigration is caused by capitalism to depress wages and sow discord amongst workers. With full employment and no "competition" that leads to resent (taking our jobs etc), immigration becomes far less of an issue. Frankly I'm neutral on immigration either way
>>81593280
>leftist cucks
you capitalists are the TRUE cucks.
>>81593106
>/pol/ack believes left means Commie
>/pol/ack is poor, post commie Conservative nation.
>/pol/acks need social democrats, and other left wing capitalists to fix nation.
Sit Poland, sit, keep shit posting
>>81593448
BLANDA UPP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDMGu-xi30
RACE MIXING IS GOOD
>>81593362
Yes it does, it has nuance. To you it probably means "agressive white apologist that has turned on own people" to others it probably means what it literally says now fucking define your God damned terms or fuck off back to college comp. and get your shit out of my political inquiry
>>81593278
>using a fictional society as the example of how you want to shape your reality.
Holy moly, you people shouldn't even be allowed to ride the bus with normal people.
>>81593517
>leftists trying to educate us
Get them out of here! GET OUT! OUT OUT OUT!
>>81576990
Definitely disaffected former democrat here.
Union senpai (coal miners way back, related to Bill Blizzard), co-op farmers, etc all in the senpai tree.
Had to switch to vote for Trump this time.
I want a party that isn't trying to white guilt me or genocide me like the dems but isn't a bunch of shilling evangelical pandering Israel dick suckers like the GOP.
None exists.
>>81593653
Or maybe it was an example so that braindead retards like you could understand too?
>>81592281
Classcuck is something else I think. I like left-tards cause their ideas are impossible in practice, but it needs to be more descriptive. cuckservative is perfect as though these people claim to be conservative they are completely cucked to the globalist agenda and bow to PC. The left-tards that need be opposed by the alt-left claim to all about the workers and anti-capitalism, but support many of the elements of neo-liberalsim that shit on the workers, namely mass migration and the idea of keeping certain things taboo.
>>81593448
No, and i have considered it, too many conflicting ideas, Social based ones mind you, not necessarily economic, Libertarian social Mindset, and Natsocs just dont work
>>81593675
You're literally advocating cuckoldry, and remaining a slave to your bourgeois cuckolding master.
Pathetic.
>>81587262
That's what moral absolutist Communists say, and that's not what a lot of us agree with. Go the fuck back to /b/ you fucking degenerate.
>>81593603
fuck off you despicable fucking leaf, ugh get away from me, disgusting
>>81576990
my dubs prove the Soviet Union was based af
>>81593517
This.
Economic Libertarians are up in arms whenever the Government so much as steps a toe on their lawns, yet they bend over and pull down their pants when a rich enough corporation comes through.
>>81592363
>Businesses don't get their shit fucked up if they hire Union
But it's ok if they don't?
>with benefits
Without, he doesn't get shit.
For his substitute job he had to pay into teacher retirement, which the shit heads in Illinois waste, and he wouldn't get anything out of it anyways.
>>81593851
I agree with him
>>81593898
do you actually have autism?
>>81593803
>natsoc doesn't work
Maybe if the socialist part wasn't so full of cucks it might be made better but no just tear down the nationalist aspect of it as well.
you are really lost mate i can see why you ended up here on /pol/ it's like being a virgin because you put your dick half way in.
>>81576990
>flag
>>81594004
Did you even look at the flag?
>>81590330
Carpenter Foreman.
$50 an hour plus ~ $20 in annuity, pension fund, Healthcare, vacation pay etcetera.
I got like $6 an hour going into my annuity alone.
Compare that to some rat scab making $12 with no benefits making some kike rich.
Also, building codes and actual science means untrained rat scabs like those filthy chinks and spics can't into commercial building projects.
>>81593803
Just spitballing, but what do you think about hard-left? We're really just leftists without the pussification and fatal idealism.
>>81593775
You faggots are using fictional societies as a standard to shove your bullshit, but I'm the retard.
VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA
Socialism is a fucking meme, kiddo, get over it. There are children who have an easier time coming to terms with Santa being fake than you niggers accepting that socialism is bullshit.
>Inb4 state capitalism
You can't keep making that excuse when the next 10 models of socialism collapse.
>>81594066
Good point
>>81593976
look the Teachers Union is in no way a model on how Blue Collary Laborer Unions work.
The fucking AFL-CIO is the worst Union in North America.
They literally act like they support Union values and build scab houses, shop at Walmart, and drive a Honda.
The Teachers Federatioin is a Union of Shills, I feel sorry for your bro. If he wants to work out of the Laborer hall, I know someone
>>81593832
Yes we are all such good friends to our corporate overlords here on /pol/ aren't we lmfao pull the other one it squirts whiskey.
I was right you are just DNC shills pushing the same /leftypol/ shit as always.
>>81594021
NatSoc is specifically nazi ideology, it is not just socialism with nationalistic tendencies.
>>81592798
That's no the alt-right, that's Milofags
>>81592566
>alt-left
its finally happening.
>>81594235
You more than likely don't even know what socialism is. Also it's pretty fucking hard for a single socialist country to exist in a world that is controlled and dominated by neo-liberal capitalism.
>>81594212
You're nihilists who will inevitably destroy western civilization with your perception of moral absolutism. You're fedora-wearing atheists who think you out smarted everyone by "herpderp God is dead", while ignoring the actual purpose, and contribution religion has had on civilized society.
Lastly, you're Communist faggots who need to fuck back off to /b/.
>>81590613
Unions literally built America, while niggers picked cotton and the Jew busted unions and got rich.
>>81594265
>>81594265
Our teacher's unions are totally fucked too. There's more than one, divided loyalties and no power. Divide and conquer.
>>81594235
No one has used fictional society as a standard.
I don't advocate socialism. I advocate social democracy which has led to the most succesful and happy countries in the world.
Now kill yourself you fucking idiot.
>>81594446
Maybe someone cares about your opinion.
>>81593653
Capitalists do that all the time with Atlas Shrugged.
>>81594571
This. The Nordic model without the naivety about immigration is the ideal system in my eyes.
>>81594571
Yes Finland, the Norsk buddies always on spot!
>>81582942
Hey that's pretty nice
>>81594300
>Nazi
Opinion Discarded
>>81594662
>"Dictatorship of the proletariat
>Doesn't work in a factory
>Isn't a proletariat, and would not get along with proletariat
>>81594509
What pisses me off is I was sitting in my Reganomics Class at a Public School, and my teacher started in on that non-union shit. I called him out and everyone just stared at me, but he quit
Looking at OP's pic, I think we should migrate to Librechan.net
>>81594133
Doesn't sound bad anon.
>>81594265
Alright, I don't mind Private Sector Unions as much as the Public ones, pretty much every public sector Union covers for lazy pieces of shit that can't get fired.
Most of my family is military, and the VA literally has people that never work, and do drugs in the VA parking lot, and they can't get fired cause the Union covers for their asses.
> If he wants to work out of the Laborer hall, I know someone
I don't know, he could probably use a different job, all he's been doing is subbing?
>>81591895
My Irish grandpa carried a gun in his shoulder holster at all times, was a union organizer and our Business Agent, and fought Crooked cops and the mob to get good wages and working conditions for blue collar white family men. He was basically NSDAP, and by default hated all spics and niggers.
He was redpilled as fuck, and a great man.
There is a oil portrait of him at my local Hall.
People would literally kick the shit out of nogs and insidious commie scum for him, because they loved him, and still speak of him with admiration to this day.
>>81594612
Enjoy your moral absolutism and multiculturalism faggot, watch how that turns out.
>>81576990
Yawns.
>>81594844
>>Doesn't work in a factory
You don't have to be a factory worker. Anyone that works for a living and relies on the labour power is part of the proletariat. That can be mental or physical work, as well as the retired/unemployed/disabled etc.
>>81595117
Hahahaha have fun explaining that to the proletariat, intelligentsia faggot.
>>81594235
>Implying venezuela is not capitalist
>>81576990
Shut up you stupid nigger. Go let your government dictate every aspect of your life. Now that I think about what I just typed it might be hard to take this post seriously with an israeli flag.
>>81576990
>Redpilled, non-cuck leftists
>>81594844
You dumb cunt, if you work for a boss, you are proletariat.
>>81595038
Thats a Union man there.
My dad was a Mechanic and Hod Carrier for 20 years. Mother worked at the Powerplant 10 hours a day 40 days straight. Both my grandpa's were Electricians, one ran the powerplant and still has his picture in the control room, and my great grandfather joined the steel workers and built stoves all his life once he came here from Germany.
>>81595343
Yeah, it's an oxymoron. Redpilled and non-cuck are mutually exclusive.
I want /leftypol/ to go
and stay go
>>81595418
I'm not a communist faggot, nice try tho.
>>81595305
Lol
>>81595343
Your Winnie the Pooh image really made me rethink everything.
>>81595305
You're retarded
Venezuelan oil was owned by the government, and the government was too stupid to reinvest it. Socialism fair and square, means of production, owned by the people aka the government.
>>81595544
>muh echo chamber!!!!!!!!!!!
>i can't defend my ideas, so i don't discuss them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>81592732
People who hold of believe in orthodox, class based analysis before all the 60s pish was added to it. Generally a degree of racialism is acknowledged and cultural relativism can FOAD. Beyond that it is still an emerging idea, so can be whatever you want it to be. The alt-right didn't form from a manifesto. It grew out of web culture and dialogue.
>>81595569
>>81595544
This isn't your safe space, faggot. Back to the Trump General, you tranny fetishizing piece of shit.
>>81593099
Trump isn't Republican. The Never Trumpers have made this clear.
That's why he's going to win.
>>81595324
isn't the israeli government incredibly intrusive?
>>81594571
This.
The Nords have it all right, except for the whole refugee thing.
A near-perfect society would be in a Nordic country.
>>81593120
AYY
>>81595641
>Venezuelan oil was owned by the government
So? Angolan oil is owned by government. Chilean copper was owned by Pinochet gov. Your point?
>Socialism fair and square
By what definition?
> owned by the people aka the government.
That is just dead wrong. If you are more then 10 years old you would know that the gov rarely represents the people
>>81595648
>meme text
>tripfagging
Leftists drown out all points of view not their own.
>>81595698
>tranny fetishizing piece of shit
u wot
And I'm not a trump supporter he's not nearly racist enough
>>81595821
Underrated.
>>81593099
>Your class remarks are typical Communist bullshit. We don't bother with it because we aren't "oppressed" little faggots.
>>81595878
Thanks kiwibro
>>81595458
I let him down by not being active in my local union politics, and letting the fucking spic take over.
I hand out there checks, and the illegal ones claim 9 and pay virtually no tax. But it's still more tax than they pay rate stabbing.
The SJW race traitors and their Clinton overlords have done more damage than the GOP ever could.
Now I'm trying to save enough to move up to the free state of Jefferson, or Idaho, or someplace white.
>>81595869
>by what definition
so•cial•ism (sōˈshə-lĭzˌəm)
>Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
If you are more then 10 years old you would know the definition of socialism.
>>81595870
>implying i am a leftist
What is nationalist in your compass?
>>81595878
>ebin
pic related
>>81594860
It is bizarre to me that in America, unions are outright banned by some companies and I believe illegal in certain circumstances? That's what you get for McCarthyism.
>>81596088
*rat scabbing
>>81596113
Stefan is a cuck.
>>81592330
>>81592330
If only we could encourage the latent fascism outta this guy.
>>81595821
But then that means gommunism beats Churchill.
Which is apparently true because the UK is now a Marxist shithole.
>>81596113
>Implying that I implied you're a leftist
>>81596022
these lefty fucks always stick their long jewish noses in from time to time and attempt to subvert our community and one day they will but it wont be today.
>>81593032
This will do far more harm to the mainstream and far left.
>>81596113
Nationalism is a by-product of facism, Communist faggot. Y'all can't understand this because you're brains are consumed with degeneracy.
>non-cuck leftists
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Australia with the bantz once again
>>81596357
Your*
>>81596213
we need to harness the meme magic of kek.
>>81596275
>and one day they will but it wont be today.
Hopefully the day of the rope comes first.
Been here since the Z trial, which redpilled me hard. Not gonna let my board fall to these libshits.
Sieg heil m8
>>81596357
Its ironic that Fascism is also a by-product of Communism, Fascism would not exist otherwise,
>>81596090
But the means of proiduction are still in private hands in venezuela.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela
ups, so by your own definition, venezuela is not socialist. yikes.
>>81596382
Grouping all leftists into one demographic is like saying all rightists in the US are Bible thumping teabaggers.
>>81596113
>you have to argue with me becuase i said so.
No, now fuck off trip faggot.
>>81596538
>a fucking leaf
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>81596209
I just use his memes.
>>81596357
>Nationalism is a by-product of facism
lel.
Nationalism is not a economic ideology, you retard. And nationalism was formed way earlier then fascism
>Communist faggot
>implying i am a commie
I bet you don't know what communism is
>degeneracy.
another meme word.
>>81596492
People don't know Mussulini was a socialist
>>81596275
I don't know why you are so threatened by us, we are not going to take over "your" precious board, nor are we here to proselytise people.
>>81596225
Yup
It goes full circle.
>>81596639
ok bro, np ;)
>>81596731
>not an argument
And a really unfunny meme that was chewed over and over again
>>81595292
lol most of us already realise that though. The call centre has replaced the factory, mental work has replaced physical work, but the working class remains.
>>81595849
I see a bunch of fascists and state capitalists. No socialists there.
>>81596973
>inb4 that kids show gif
>>81596494
>implying Venezuelan oil isn't owned by the government
Are you literally retarded?
That's socialism, fair and square.
http://www.cfr.org/world/venezuelas-oil-based-economy/p12089
>>81596357
>Nationalism is a by-product of facism
pls explain this without using memes or buzzwords
>>81596764
Was, he shilled for Fascism though, he thought the socialists were too weak.
>>81597080
>anything owned by the government is socialism
'no'
>>81596382
>falling for the college meme only to make $35k a year in a cubicle while growing bitchtips
>working rat scab and making $40k a year to work like a white nigger with limited equipment and safety regulations
>5 years of trade school paid for by a $0.25 deduction from your wage
> $100k+ a year as a chiseled, high test aryan god who errects monuments to human spirit of endeavor and mastery over this earth evident in 1st world society
> literally making America Great erryday
>>81596787
You wouldn't understand because you are new but this isn't the first time we have tried to break bread with the left. Too many Fedoras and too much lecturing it just makes us go full fascist.
Like i said earlier you have people like Žižek who are completely /pol/ tier leftists but none of you even seem to even be aware of him.
>>81597080
State owning something doesn't mean that the country is socialist what the fuck
>>81597247
>NOT MUH REAL SOCIALISM
Wow, fantastic argument, I'm sure you can feed the Venezuelans with it
>>81576990
I don't know what a redpilled leftist is. Is it a national socialist?
The only reasons why I distance myself of leftism is
>feminazism/3rd wave feminism
>importing niggers
>gun control
>TPP
>white guilt
If it weren't for these things, I'd probably be lurking a leftist forum now.
>>81576990
>Centrist Monarchy general thread
>>81597406
I literally support none of that and im pretty far to the left
>>81597393
If it's not owned by the people, it's not socialism. Venezuela is state capitalism.
>>81597271
Have you seen anyone ITT going full fedora or SJW? How about the article I linked to, both of which condemn in the strongest terms, from the left, the white guilt BS.
>>81597500
How can you support/vote leftist parties if you support none of those?
GOING TO SLEEP, keep thread alive plz for morning.
>>81597080
>>implying Venezuelan oil isn't owned by the government
So every time a gov holds a sector of economy that country is socialist? So Pinochet was socialist too, since the copper mines were state owned. And USA is socialist too, since USA spends like 20 or 30% of annual GDP as state spending. And Angola is socialist too.
And all countries are socialist, because they have public education, they have nationalized law enforcement, they have public foreign relations and public roads.
Yes, Venezuelan oil is in the gov hands, but there is a private sector in Venezuela, wich means that the means of production are in private hands.
>>81597180
He thinks nationalism appeared with Hitler.
Its a american, take it easy
>>81597554
>NOT MUH REAL SOCIALISM
>Australian flag
Again see the definition >>81596090
>>81596764
>Meme speak is meme
>Implying I give a fuck about other "facist" government and countries (obviously you don't understand facism at all)
>Mussolini was a giant faggot
>Marxism is stupid, and contrasts entirely with my worldview
>>81597554
By this metric has anything ever been 'true socialism'? The alt-left will not be as driven by ideological purity as the hard-left. Just look at the infighting among them. No fucking wonder they can't get shit done.
>>Then there are the ones who stick around. Seriously though, who are the AltLeft anyway? Who are we? I would say that the majority are white people who hold a lot of typically leftist views on economics, the environment and some social issues, yet at some point realized the new left had become hostile to any white person even slightly reluctant to act as a scapegoat for everybody else’s problems. No self respecting white person would want to be associated with a movement that trashes their heroes, their culture, their history, denies their achievements . . . a movement which seeks to destroy their civilization and erases their identity. Hell, besides all that, a lot of cultural marxism has become so freaky that most normal white feminists and gays are probably weirded out by it.
>>81597406
Its classical leftist,
>>81596357
>y'all
opinion discarded.
>>81597657
Other options are even worse. You have to be retard to vote for cuckoomus.
>>81597677
i'm going to shitpost until 404 like any sane /pol/ack would.
>>81596357
>Nationalism is a by-product of facism
Technically speaking, it is possible to be both nationalist and gommunist.
See: Vietnam
Once Vietnam was reunified, they basically told the Chinese to fuck off.
Today, inspite of their nominally gommunist leadership, they openly oppose Chinese encroachment in their waters and enjoy open close economic and diplomatic relations with the US.
It doesn't really matter what economic policy a nation espouses, as long as its citizenry is proud and its government relatively free of corruption.
That being said, nationalism and Marxism combined tends to breed corruption, where "patriotic" rhetoric is used against those who disagree with the government's Marxist policies.
True patriots root out and combat corruption for the betterment of the nation. Marxists tend to protect their own political interests in the name of Marxism itself.
>>81597180
Can you speak at all without saying "memes"?
Nationalism to the extent it's relevant at all is inherent in facism, retard. Why should I have to explain something so obvious?
>>81597843
Yes, which is why I didn't. Voted itsenäisyyspuolue.
>>81597657
Jews control the GOP, and Wall Street, and the banks.
Hitler is the red pill, and he was a socialist. A Nationalist and a Socialist.
The GOP is the party of the rich, the owner class, and the working class has always been fucked and cucked by the rich.
>>81597771
>By this metric has anything ever been 'true socialism'?
I would say that true and genuine socialism has been attempted, but has never fully gone according to plan due to many different factors.
>>81597958
I'm not implying that nationalism is exclusive to facism, either. Try harder.
>>81597771
>By this metric has anything ever been 'true socialism
Sure. The Paris Commune, revolutionary Catalonia and Rojava are good examples, pretty close as it is possible to get given their tumultuous circumstances.
>>81597737
Apply your definition to Venezuela, then.
>>81597771
Marxist socialism? No, i don't think there was a society like that? Bastardizations of marxist socialism? Yes, there as been some
>alt-left
So what, are you nationalsocialists?
>>81597704
Actually yes, many of the things you mentioned are socialist, and as you can see how bad American education is, you see the results of socialism. Look at the test results of private school compared to public schools.
>law enforcement =/= means of production
>public foreign relations and public roads =/= means of production
>government spending money =/= socialist
>>81598162
>Apply your definition to Venezuela
If the shoe fits
>>81598060
So a work in progress? Sticking religiously to a single definition blocks pragmatism. The alt-left should be pragmatic. This is one of the alt-right's greatest strengths.
>>81598104
I wasn't implying that you were implying that nationalism isn't exclusive to fascism.
Why are you implying that I implied that you were implying that nationalism is exclusive to fascism? Did you read my post?
>>81598272
Private schools have better test results because they can pick and choose students, meanwhile public schools have to take every retard around.
in my country the best uni are the public ones, because they have standards to admit students, meanwhile the private ones take anyone woith money
Answer this. Is Pinochet gov socialist?
>>81598224
They are literally special snowflakes
>>81576990
I agree. I am a fascist and have much respect for the older left who care for the working class, and sees the plutocracy in modern leftism. Together we can overthrow the capitalist system in the west and from there we can go our separate ways.
>>81598406
So Pinochet is socialist?
>>81576990
>non-cuck leftist
Just drop the charade, you aren't fooling anyone, not even yourself.
There are only Goldwater conservatives and JFK Democrats on this site
>>81576990
fuckin straya almost got me.
needs more memes.
>>81598702
It's crazy that the first time i'be ever heaard the word cuck, was here, on /pol/. And you faggots keep calling each other cucks. I bet you guys masturbate to interracial porn everyday.
And i think blacked and cuck sites have shills here
Disagree with any of this before you claim you are somehow not a cuck OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o
>>81598832
Faggy memes. We believe in the imperialist portion of facism above other elements. Faggots.
>>81598609
alt-left needs a motto/mascot here. And maybe they're on the wrong sides.
>>81598832
Based.
>>81598911
Probably, doesn't mean Imperialists are cucks, tho.
>>81598911
What kind of Argumentum Non is that? Because a culture uses a certain term it´s gotta be made of it?
By that logic all communists are members of the burgeoisie.
>>81598497
I agree with being pragmatic, i was just stating my own thoughts on if "true socialism" has been tried. One thing i think we can all agree on is that liberalism is pure cancer.
>>81596973
>no true scotsman
>>81598575
>>81598615
>As Venezuela's food shortages worsen, the president of the country's Food Industry Chamber has said that authorities ordered producers of milk, pasta, oil, rice, sugar and flour to supply their products to the state stores
>NOT MUH TRUE SOCIALISM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/11754156/Venezuelan-farmers-ordered-to-hand-over-produce-to-state.html
>Pinochet
>copper mine
That sounds like a socialist policy, does it make the whole country socialist? No, but Chile didn't rely on the copper mines for everything did it? Now look at Chile compared to Venezuela
>Free trade, low debt, low taxes, and relatively laissez-faire economics are at the heart of the ongoing economic expansion in Chile. Long a practical and trade-minded people, the Chileans are now enjoying the fastest growing economy in Latin America, and are considered an increasingly good investment choice by the world financial community. And, as some have said, it is well on its way to becoming a first-world nation.
https://mises.org/library/chile-socialism-dictatorship-and-liberalism
>>81599218
>trying to reason with a tripfaggot
'
Oh anon.
>>81584347
Read a book you uneducated faggot, it's not a meme
>>81599280
Not an argument.
>>81599266
Liberals are giant faggots that want to create a dynamic, yet static society. Their views are inherently contradictory. If they'd fuck off, us Imperialists and you Commies could kill each other until one ideology prevailed. Simple, non-cucked violence.
Fuck liberalism.
Friendly reminder that Marx was a pretty good guy and a shitload of his ideas have been implemented in every civilized society because they're necessary for a good society and without him you'd be working as basically slaves (which you will do if you keep voting republicans).
>>81599218
>Because a culture uses a certain term it´s gotta be made of it?
No, but because a culture popularizes a obscure fetish that goes against their so called principles, and uses it in a unironic way, then yes, i think many cucks are being born here
>>81599291
>That sounds like a socialist policy, does it make the whole country socialist?
Now apply the same principle to Venezuela
>>81599624
caring about american politics. Definitely not a (((jew)))
holy fuciking shit.
>>81599452
Nobody you personally like that has a negative popular reputation in the mainstream media and academic circles will ever fit your arbitrary definition of "true socialist", just so leftists can save face and not admit that prior iterations of socialism are all complete and utter failures.
>shitpost on /pol/ regularly
>actually an anarcho-communist
>>81599624
Fuck that faggot. His ideas are cancer. Some of us aren't giant faggots that want peace and love. My ideal government is a capitalistic one that's fed by attacking, and stealing wealth from other nations. Eternal, endless conflict forever.
Fuck off faggot Marxist.
>>81599765
Wrong, because Pinochet's other policies were capitalist faggot.
Not muh real socialism fails again.
300 posts and we are auto saging.
>>81599944
You are honestly uneducated if you don't know that Marx is the most influential contemporary philosopher.
>>81600035
nope sheepsahgger i am 300 cunt
>>81599839
define socialism, and then apply the definition to your so called socialist coutries. Oh, but wait, i already know the answer:
>EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!
>EVERYTHING I LIKE IS CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>81600077
>Anonymous (ID: a/SCOay2) 07/19/16(Tue)01:43:04 No.81600077 ▶
FUCK U AMERICUNT
>>81599482
Angsty GOPer. The right is way more for a static society. They are all still living in the 1950s. Wake up bro. Left is the way to progress but it has been hijacked by SJW just like libertarians/republicans have been hijacked by christfags and nigger hating cry babies.
>>81600079
>302
>>81599624
>100+ million dead in the East and even now still suffering
>cultural marxism / SJWism destroying the West soon to be mass suffering
Only a jew would think destroying the world is a "pretty good" thing
>>81599959
So the same priciple can be applied to venezuela.
>inb4 cherrypicked policies
>>81600106
Fuck off barbosa.
>>81600077
Yes, he is tremendously influential, thats why the world is a giant nihilistic shithole.
>>81600186
Marx actually has NOTHING to do with SJWism.
>>81600360
SJWism is an expression of cultural marxism
>>81600186
Literally nothing to do with Marx's actual ideology and ideas.
>>81600116
I'm not a Republican, faggot. I believe in eternal conflict, not faggy hand holding and peace.
And after 100 years you niggers still cannot find one flaw in one book that destroys your whole economic system using only logic and facts...
>>81600360
Americans need to blame internal problems on other people. They simply can't stand the idea that SJW is a product of toxic american "culture".
That is why JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS is such a big thing amoung americans here
>>81600476
>not real marxism
>not real communism
>real marxist communism has never been tried
How many times do you repeat those things to yourself throughout the course of a day?
>>81600422
"cultural marxism" is neoliberalism ans has absolutely nothing to do with Karl Marx.
>>81600528
>>81600582
Do you always get that mad when people state simple facts?
Then again, never even met an American who knew what communism even fucking means.
>>81600106
>EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS CAPITALISM11111111
>EVERYTHING I LIKE IS SOCIALISM111111111
>>81600237
No, are you literally incapable of reading the links I left you?
>Venezuela's embattled government has taken the drastic step of forcing food producers to sell their produce to the state, in a bid to counter the ever-worsening shortages.
They are literally using force to take the fruits of peoples labor, and are then redistributing it. They literally nationalized the oil industry and redistribute the profits, but because it is run by the government, and profits are not an issue, they do not require a responsible reinvestment plan, which, as you can see, the Venezuelan government did not have.
Sure, some mines may have been owned by the Chilean government under Pinochet, but they transitioned to a capitalist country, and they are prospering.
>>81600565
Americans need to utilize the military to rape the wealth of other nations, constantly fueling our own. We don't need more abstractions to moderate false peace.
>>81600582
So we can say that Portugal is a free market economy, because it's capitalistic?
HAHAHAHHA, FREE MARKET CAPITALISM SUCKS, JUST LOOK AT PORTUGAL
>But bro, Portuagl is not a free market economy
>MUH NO REAL FREE MARKET HAHAHAHHAA GET FUCKED ANCAPS LOLOLOLOLOL
>>81600625
see
>>81600582
The only thing you idiots are actually good at is denial and the refusal to let go of babby's first edgy political book that you read at 14 (communist manifesto)
Peace is a false god. Imperialism is the truth.
>>81600890
>communist manifesto
Something you've obviously never read.
>>81600731
But i am a capitalist. I am a democartic socialist.
Nice try. bro.
>>Venezuela's embattled government has taken the drastic step of forcing food producers to sell their produce to the state, in a bid to counter the ever-worsening shortages.
State intervention != socialism
>They are literally using force to take the fruits of peoples labor, and are then redistributing it.
Every state does this in time of need.
> They literally nationalized the oil industry and redistribute the profits
>redistrivute the profits
hahah, nice meme
So Pinochet is socialist?
>>81576990
Isn't that a BLM fist?
>>81600501
That's so gay. Feel bad for you.
>>81601188
Nice rebuttal.
>>81601153
Way older than that.
>>81597964
It's inherent in fascism doesn't mean its a by product of fascism. You made the claim it's a by product, which I asked to explain because it makes no fucking sense
>>81601139
>But I am a capitalist. I am a democratic socialist
>lel, they are doing socialism, but it's not real socialism cause I say so
>>redistribute the profits
>hahah, nice meme
Is this bait? They used the money from oil, to support government programs aka redistribution.
Please explain how I am wrong.
>>81600106
Would North Korea fit YOUR definition, then? They pay no taxes, everything is paid by the government, the state ("community") has control over almost all industries except the few joint South Korean-North Korean ones, largely inaccessible to the North Korean public.
I'm sure they're not true socialists, either. The masses of high school kids I discuss this have pulled out so many different versions and definitions of socialism out of their ass it hurts. Are you one of them?
>>81601627
>By-product
>Inherent
>Literally the same meaning
>>81594571
Venezuela is what social democracy in a developing country looks like.
Social democracy only "works" in countries that have amassed an insane amount of wealth through classic liberalism, are populated almost exclusively by whites and have eugenics programs.
>>81601891
>Social democracy only "works" in countries that have amassed an insane amount of wealth through classic liberalism, are populated almost exclusively by whites and have eugenics programs.
Or have massive amounts of oil, ala Venezuela before they eventually run out, or oil prices drop and they lose all their money.
>>81601664
>They used the money from oil, to support government programs aka redistribution.
And every gov uses tax money to support gov programs, aka redistribution. Is ever gov socialist?
You are so uneducated and thick and brainwashed it's hard to not laugh at your posts.
>l socialism cause I say so
Venezuela doesn't even fit your definition. You are just moving the goalposts
>>81601689
>Would North Korea fit YOUR definition, then?
lol no. North Kore is wjhat happens when a mad man gets power.
>The masses of high school kids I discuss this have pulled out so many different versions and definitions of socialism out of their ass it hurts.
Because there is no single definition of socialism.
>high school kids
>socialists
yeah kiddo, i'm sure you BTFO them.
>>81584020
100% wrong
also not an argument.
>>81589133
>poltard with an iq greater than 102
you read adorno? you are literally a tier above the rest of the filth here.
>>81602248
Isn't dictatorship of the proletariat a central point in full socialism? Or did you skip that part?
>>81601891
More like what social democracy or pretty much anything looks like when all the people are subhumans.
Finland has always been a social democracy and when we got independency a hundred years ago Finland was basically agrarian society. Not even close to a developed country.
>>81602248
>And every gov uses tax money to support gov programs, aka redistribution. Is ever gov socialist?
But not every government gets profits from nationalized industries.
taxation =/= government owned
>Venezuela doesn't even fit your definition. You are just moving the goalposts
No, you are. Venezuela fits the definition just fine.
>>81602613
Honestly can't even tell if you're serious. Yeah, pretty much every government gets profits from nationalized industries. Like Germany. And US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies
