And theres a billion chinks. Yet they only have 3 nobel prizes in the hard sciences category (ignoring nobel peace prizes).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_Nobel_laureates
Australia has more nobel prizes even though we arent known for innovation. Why?
>>81512771
Systematic western racism against chinese accomplishments (insecure whitemen syndrome)
>that picture
There were loads of upside down sciences to study but not many were the normal way up
low genetic creativity
over half of them are still impoverished peasants
strong social conformity to never think outside the box
>>81512771
IQ doesn't say anything about how good they are as creative thinkers, which is where Europeans tend to exceed.
>>81512771
China heavily manipulates stuff like "average" IQ and GDP growth to make them selves look good. So take that number with a grain of salt
IQ =/= Intelligence
It is however extremely fucking important
>>81512771
probably not enough funding for important research, I mean they send their rich kids to fucking australia for university and get absolutely robbed blind by them
>>81512771
They also claim not to be descended from neanderthals and early homo sapiens, but from homo erectus, instead.
Because pure chinese genes cannot be poluted by dirty africans.
Which has been proven to be bullshit, of course.
literally most inventeions of the western world were perfomed by chinese slaves
>>81512771
Chinese average IQ is probably close to 95. The thing with the Chinese is that they think cheating is such a natural part of life that there are literal riots in the streets when an institutions doubles its watchers during entrance exams to find cheaters.
>>81512771
What if I told you that the Chinese cheat on and steal from everything, including IQ tests?
>>81512771
Communism, and a rural society, relatively un-industrialized society before that.
They probably cheat on their IQ tests like every other test they take.
>>81512771
Asians are the niggers of the East. Do not listen to race-traiting anime faggots on here. Even Japs are gorillas.
>>81512771
isn't this because they only test people from shanghai?
There is no such thing as IQ. If any of us were given an Australian aboriginal IQ test, we would fail it - by dying. Humans adapt to whatever the environment demands. Aboriginal Australians can fucking hear a lizard scurrying underground 15 feet away. Chinks are good at passing tests designed by Chinks for Chinks to measure Chink intelligence. It's all adaption.
Shows what fucking communism does to a country.
wasn't it because they have less deviation from the average? in average they are smarter but we have more geniuses
>>81513250
actually IQ does equal intelligence
but it doesn't equal creativity which the Chinese lack
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/27/rspb.2009.1650
Standard deviation is lower? IDK
>>81512771
iirc its skewed in favour of coastal regions/cities which are more cosmopolitan and developed.
Thanks to maoism peasant values have persisted to this day in most of china, which is why baby girl killing and shit still persist and ghosts and skeletons are banned from media.
China would honestly do better if broken into smaller nations. I mean look at Singapore, HK and Taiwan.
>>81513379
>we wuz innovating coolies and sheit
>>81512771
culture stems from economics, and china is a statist, disgusting, corrupt maw of madness based on fraud, lying, murder and theft.
>>81513657
that's bullshit
there is no difference in standard deviation
Chinese simply lack genetic creativity
see
>>81513661
>>81512771
Chinese used to be innovative and invent new things.
Now they just copy everyone else (Europeans and Japs) and act like degenrates.
Fuck em.
>>81512771
Which means that they are lying about their IQs. Their accomplishments do not match their claimed intelligence.
>>81513661
It equals non-retardation, not intelligence.
>>81512771
I'm sure that's accurate just like their GDP.
>>81512771
Communism and when you look at the Asian bell curve, although the average Asian is smarter than the average white. There isn't much variety. They cluster more around their mean while whites end up being genuises and dumbasses more often leading to their curve to be more flat than the Asian one.
>>81513546
>>81513546
>>81513546
Fucking this.
You can't trust any self-reported numbers from China, you morons.
Not in research papers
Not on test scores
Not on crime stats
Fucking nothing.
>>81512771
because they are incapable of original thought.
>>81512771
theyre gona pick up pace i reckon
>>81512771
Because there are no Nobel prices for coping existing shit.
Who's reporting the average IQ? Is it the same people who claim someone in India hasn't eaten food or water for 70 years? Or the 256 year old person in China with no birth certificate.
because china's IQ measurements are acquired by the Chinese government which has a long and undisputed history of brazenly lying to make themselves look better.
>>81513657
I've heard people say this so much but I've never found an actual source for it.
>>81512771
Because they're lying and the western liberals are believing them because they hate themselves. Trust me, I've been there. The average chink is dumb as fuck. I say again. Dumb. As. Fuck.
They're lying.
>>81513972
We can easily pin this pic to a lack of the free market, the soviets we were the same
>>81512771
Just maybe IQ isn't the actual driver of invention and innovation.
It may help people to excel in understanding of these things once created, but ultimately IQ is about pattern recognition which is not the same as creating new patterns.
>>81513972
The J-20 is flat out stupid on that chart. It's not really similar to the F-22 outside of meeting certain 5th gen aspects.
It's like saying a HK416 is identical to an M-16 when the internals are fundamentally different.
>>81512771
They are smart, but the vast majority is not educated well because they are poor. So they can't really do anything with their intelligence.
China has a education systems that destroys creativity and motivation.
>t.Chinaman
>>81513250
>>81513661
afaik they have never released anything resembling average/median IQ stats of a nationally representative sample
it is always a sample of Shanghai or Beijing which gives you skewed numbers considering they have significantly higher education, wealth etc. than the median Chinese citizen
>>81512771
chinks are sub human
also in reality, the average chink probably has an IQ around 95. they only report the top end chinks who attend university and such. chinks are very well known for cutting corners and cheating at everything.
>>81513972
Also the J15 is a licensed clone and AGAIN its internals avionics and body are different. This is triggering the shit out of the /k/ in me.
You might as well say koreans and japs are copycats because of the F15K and F15J...
>>81513212
someone gets it
>>81514369
The point is that they are copying the frames you dip. China still hasn't even cracked 1st gen stealth yet so of course the J-20 won't be similar to the F-22.
>>81514123
true, if it ain't that it's cuz they lying, that whole not creative shit is bullshit
if they have an average iq bigger than ours with the same deviation their best should be capable of finding amazing mathematical padrons and also be capable of using that to create new physics theories, especially when they are more than 1 billion
it just proves even more that IQ proves nothing.
high IQ should only be reserved for a limited amount of people, not billions.
there is no way to calibrate the brain, its far too complex for us to understand how talent plays a role in everything we do
>>81512771
They cheat, their retarded written language takes up a lot of mental space and they aren't as intellectually curious as whites.
More interested in stuff which can make them money fast.
>>81514517
>>81512771
>average IQ in China is 105
>implying the Communist Party is honest
There are some very smart Chinese Americans, but they are not a representative sample. I think everyone knows that the IQ tests of China are not representative either, and do not include lower caste farmers and such. The main problem with China is cheating and corruption. Chinese culture is toxic in many ways. A big reason why smart people of Chinese descent do well in America is that they adopt American values like not lying and cheating. Finally, although East Asians seem to have higher math IQ;s, that is about it. We also don't know about the distribution of personality traits. Just like it is absurd to think that all races have the same intelligence traits, it is absurd to think all races have the same personality traits.
>>81513646
Brought them from British oppression to superpower in 100 years. Not bad!
>>81514702
Their engines are straight up garbage as well (though to be fair they but them from Russia).
My father went to China about a year ago and was able to see the J-31 conducting takeoffs. It's a flying furnace. Nothing amazing about Chinese military technology.
They fell a few decades behind the West cause of Mao although they are making up ground rapidly, so I suspect that
The Nobel Prize is also by and for the most part for Westerners, I'd expect some pro-Western bias
>Statistics taken from Hong-Kong and Beijing.
Mainland China probably has an average IQ of 80.
>>81512771
I find this doubtful given they're poisoning their country with rare earth element waste.
>>81513972
I was actually convicinced that the Chinese would be a worthy rival to the west, but now theyre just a meme country. I was looking forward to another superpower rivalry, because I know that such rivalries spur innovation, even it does threaten global stability. Just imagine what America would be without the USSR. Now the chinks ruined that dream with their incessant IP theft. Honestly Id be embarressed if my country was known for stealing technology, but I guess most Chinese people dont give a fuck.
>>81514513
Even if they did, it wouldn't prove anything. Take an average white kid, train him the way chinese parents would, he will almost surely scote 105 on an iq test. And he won't be any closer to winning a nobel prize
>>81515167
>pro western bias
Lmao, it's an sjw award handed out by swedes
>>81513212
This. You expect me to believe average IQ in Hong Kong is only 3 higher than mainland China? Top kek
Whites invent and forget.
Asians copy and remembers.
Blacks do neither.
>>81514968
Just look at how many Chinese people are classical musicians. There probably more top asian musicians than European musician at any point in history, yet we dont have an Asian Mozart, Beethoven, or Claude Debussey. Theyre just good at performing music composed by European composers, but they dont excell at creating new music.
When you have that many people, and they all look the same. There's a thing that crops up called groupthink. It's why China will never become anything other then what it is now. A superpower in China.
>hey goyim, you're more creative than those chinks
>your aryan genes will always win out, don't strive to be like them, just believe in yourself
>goyim, look how many Nobel Prizes you have
>Einstein, Friedman, Krugman, Wiesel, the list goes on
>just keep consuming Chinese products, that's all they can do, manufacture
>don't bother with those jobs, study sociology goyim, use your knowledge to benefit Jud--I mean, humankind
>>81512771
The reason why China does shittily is probably because asiatic verbal intelligence is below that of whites, but their visual intelligence is high enough that it covers that up in iq tests.
>>81513661
In my opinion creativity IS intelligence, it's the highest form of intelligence
>>81515308
>I was actually convicinced that the Chinese would be a worthy rival to the west
But why?
They said the same thing about Japan 30 years ago, except Japan actually went a long way to excelling in certain fields which backed it up. And when they were criticized for anything (usually some type of plagiarism) they just worked harder, or gave up on it.
China has done nothing except do their usual sweatshop style manufacturing, build empty cities overnight and export their citizens around the world making everyone hate them for their less than zero social skills and rudeness.
>>81513212
This, they take the average IQ from elite schools in Shanghai
>>81516263
then i guess you're not very creative
>>81514875
this
>>81516170
>hey goyim, be like the chinese
>look how smart they are
>they're IQ...so high!
>be like the Chinese goyim
>go back to the manufacturing jobs and working in hellish conditions
>don't work white collar jobs in social sciences, finance, and politics, those jobs are for the benefit of the Jude---I mean...um....
I can green text, too, Jew faggot.
>>81513833
>genetic creativity
you realize this is literally eugenics right
chinese society at the moment trains their young to be good at specific things, and really none of these things fosters innovation.
>>81512771
WE
>>81512771
>The average IQ in China is 105
It's sure showing lel
>>81513443
Cheating is a natural part of life and human nature. You take any advantage you get or you lose and die a shit. Fuck fairness. There's no actual fairness in the real world.
>>81514369
>It's like saying a HK416 is identical to an M-16 when the internals are fundamentally different.
>>81516370
Proofs?
>>81516263
We don't have a way to quantify it. IQ tests give hard data.
>>81515308
>I was actually convicinced that the Chinese would be a worthy rival to the west
They are a much more insidious enemy than the USSR. Instead of building waiting behind a wall with thousands of tanks they come to your city and force you out buy buying all the property
>>81516713
You can't "cheat" in real life, to survive and thrive you need to develop actual skills and acquire knowledge.
>>81512771
Protip: Nobel Prizes aren't won by people with average IQs.
Look at distribution about the mean.
>>81512771
chinks cheat
>>81512771
the average IQ in the USA is 1.8, if you remove nigger
>>81516561
I think this is why the Chinese are heavily involved in Genetic engineering. They must know of the Chinese lack of creativity, and now theyre trying to catch up with the west by genetically engineering their population. Think about it, we have European Jews, creative Aryans, and even their own intellectual elites who migrate here because theyre sick of Chinese comformist and anti innovation culture. We may not have have the highest IQs, but we do have alot of innovative people in the west. And innovation breeds more innovation.
>>81516496
We're talking about the Nobel Prize, retard. Chinese don't win it even though they contribute heavily to society, only "white" Jews win it.
>>81516713
>>81513443
No, I think Chinese culture is definitely the reason why it lags behind in many ways. Cheating is accepted. Have you seen the data on scientific cheating in China? It is a couple or orders of magnitude greater than the US. When there is that much corruption in the science being produced by a country, then you have problems.
In the US colleges, Chinese nationals cheat at astoundingly higher rates too. Now, most don't cheat, but enough do that a dark side of Chinese culture is undeniably revealed.
>>81516934
That's more honest than the snake in the grass kikes
>>81517325
What
>>81512771
>sample size: a few thousand of china's elite's children
>>81512929
This is actually unironically true.
>>81516263
Creativity does require intelligence, but creativity itself isn't just intelligence. I would say it's a combination of one's raw intelligence, life experiences, knowledge, and personality.
>>81517343
They probably don't win because they're too busy committing industrial espionage nowadays
>>81512771
The Chinese cheat on tests and in research just steal ideas or are lazy fucks and have their collaborators do most of the work. They don't have much Nobel Laureates because the research they do is rarely novel. Seriously, fuck those cheating bastards.
>>81517384
>>81517061
Proofs?
>>81512771
Asians are discount humans
>>81512771
Do you honestly think those scores represent all of China? They probably only checked the upper classes of Beijing while deliberately ignoring sweatshop workers and farmers.
Do you know why their schools seem so good? Because the party only gave out exam scores from Shanghai. You can bet if you go to a poor area their schools are South America-tier.
>>81517343
Oh, so you really are a god damned moron? Got it.
>>81512771
.50 renmenbi is added to your account
http://chineseculture.about.com/od/thechinesegovernment/a/The-50-Cent-Party-Chinas-Paid-Internet-Commenters.htm
>>81512771
Culture has a lot to do with it. Critical thought and innovation is not valued in Chinese culture to nearly the extent it is in Western culture.
Creativity has as much do with scientific breakthrough as intelligence.
>>81517777
Proofs?
>>81512771
Genetically East Asians are more intelligent, hence why they built some of the First Civilizations in the world. HOWEVER, the recent downfall of communism and the adaptation from rural survivalism to modern urbanization in Chinese culture hasn't taken full swing. When it does, I fear they will take our place as the top achievers, next to Japan and Taiwan.
>>81517848
CHINAH NUMBAH WAHN!
>>81512771
They can't innovate because their intelligence is more like a computer's than a human's. It's also why they have no emotion or regard for human life.
>>81512771
Because you didn't count the Taiwanese, Hong Kong men, Singapreans, Australians and Canadians
these countries are ethnic chinese
Believing in the IQ meme
>>81517868
Those quads are proof enough imo
>>81512771
Hate to admit it, but aussies and kiwis actually have pretty original minds, while chinks are soulless drones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Baxter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughan_Jones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Getzler
>>81516937
Wrong. The smartest strategy is to cheat and steal anything you can in terms of ideas. Then combine to make your own.
>>81512929
>>81517404
You guys sound like BLM
>>81512771
Don't chinks have less variance in their IQ distributions?
>>81518290
Too bad the Chinese don't do that last part. They just straight up copy without adding anything of value, and usually end up with a worst end result.
>>81512771
In their culture, they value what we call in the West the "path of least resistance." When they employ this, it could translate to many things, most of which lead to horrible things.
It could mean they just make shit work, because their philosophy dictates they do things half-assed. Buildings, sidewalks, and roads that collapse for no fucking reason, often killing Chinks in the aftermath.
It could lead Jewish-like behavior, where they'd jew their own just to make profit, because it's easier and cheaper (and more profitable) to sell melamine-laced milk as baby formula than to actually make quality milk for baby formula. Or sell rat meat as mutton. Or harvest oil from the sewers and recycle them to cooking oil. Or make a structure with cheap and shoddy materials to maximize profit, without regard to quality.
It could lead to them just stealing technology, instead of innovating. This is why we shouldn't take in any more Chinks and educating them or putting them in positions where they can steal tech as this does nothing but enable the poor Chinks. Maybe if they can't steal tech anymore, maybe they'd actually try this time.
Not to mention any Chink with any brains in China knows they have to leave that shithole, leading to massive "brain drain"; leaving the dumb and poor communists to suffer in misery, and the commie party members to continue exploiting the unwashed commie dumb asses.
Couple that with the Cultural Revolution wiping off the little bit of morals and ethics (and innovators) the Chinks had left, prior to the commies taking over, all because they went against Mao's delusions, and you have the recipe for soulless Asian Double Jews.
>>81517365
>>81517325
He removed blacks but accidentally added in every other life-form including bacteria
Gotta say, them pseudomonads must have been hitting the books lately!
>>81512929
Nice try, Mr. Wong.
>>81517404
Lolno
>>81512929
insecure ((white)) nobel committees
>>81517404
>Jap actually defending chinks
What year is it again anons?
>>81513366
Peking man looks very Groid
>>81518114
Most of our nobel prizes were won before the intense Asian migration of the 90s
>>81512929
This is true tho.
>>81518114
Terry top shitposter.
>>81513865
>be in taiwanese restaurant last year
>table of mainland chinese next to us
>little boy climbs on top of table and pisses all over their food
>table is appalled the restaurant won't replace their meal for free
>>81512771
I think it's because invention demands high visual-spatial abilities, and I think this is tied in with the fact that the chinamen have been civilized for far longer
visual-spatial abilities seem to deteriorate in civilization, because you need to memorize more things, know more things, and you are literally better off not understanding things.
>>81513971
it seems to be right, other asian countries around them have the same thing
>>81513972
is this finally proof that Hillary sold our military secrets to the Chinese?
>>81517821
Not an argument.
>>81515407
>he will almost surely scote 105 on an iq test
Nope, he would get 120+.
We are lazy gods.
God are we lazy.
>>81519348
Theres been alot of innovation emerging from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan. Taiwan is an incredibly important country for the global semicomductor industry.
Why are you autists saying gommunism? Ussr had no top inventors?
socialism
>>81512771
>nobel jew prize
lol
>>81513972
>t. 16 year old
Every country going through industrialisation goes through a long period of making cheap rip offs while their workers are developing skills and education institutions improve.
Japan was doing exactly the same as China is doing now decades ago before it became high-tech.
You'd have to be a naive autistic retard to think the Chinese won't become a first rate technological power.
Just look at their ancient history. They developed gun powder to be used in fireworks and also weaponised it. They built the most sophisticated fortifications and siege weaponry during the medieval era. They developed logistics to supply armies that were in the several hundreds of thousands, far larger than any other armies until the modern era. They were drinking beer and piping natural gas to their towns through bamboo when most of Europe was still living semi-nomadic lifestyles.
Give it 20 years and they'll be ahead of the USA. They're a much larger population and culturally they put far more emphasis on education and personal achievement. Then all the American posters will be the 'we wuz superpowers and shiieeet' and I'll be here retelling stories of how stormfaggots unironically told us that Chinks aren't capable of original thought.
>>81512771
The REAL question is why Japan is so innovative and China is the complete opposite. Despite the PC bullshit, China's technological ability is pitiful, several steps below even Russia.
>>81517404
Maybe it's becuse china has been a poor shit country the last 200 years and just recently have the wealth to get the needed education and facilities. Resarching and investing is very expensive.
And they have a hard time geting out litrature and art since it's a closed country and people have mostly been peasants untill now. Meaning they will never know or learn if they have an artistic side. And even more china has abdoned it's old culture making the country prety grey.
>>81520387
Japan was doing exactly the same as China is doing now decades ago before it became high-tech.
>>81520694
The metaphor breaks down because Japan was becoming a tech giant 30 years into it's development, where-as China isn't developing into any tech sectors, given the same amount of time into it's growth.
You can spin this like Brazil, but it's the year 2016, not 1996. China is the second largest economy, it has more than enough resources to overcome its tech limitations. But it won't.
>>81512771
Because our medical fields are actually really goddamn good you retard. We're the ones constantly finding new vaccines and shit, we're the ones inventing bionic body-parts such as ears and eyes.
Notice how almost all our laureates are in there for Physiology or Medicine?
>>81520694
And if you REALLY knew your shit, you would know that if China could develop into Tech, then US corporations wouldn't be the ones running the supply lines in China.
>>81520387
China is very technologically advanced.
>>81521562
China is very technologically advanced
Nice try, Zhao.
>>81521032
Yes they are. They're pioneering into my field of underground mining and two Australian mines are renting Chinese invented and built "top coal caving" gear which almost doubles production of a longwall coal mine. They're also getting into lateral drilling and their latest stuff is top notch but for the moment we still buy Sandvik gear because it's what we're used to.
And they've recently built the world's fastest super computer out of Chinese designed and manufactured products.
Seriously you should consider suicide for being this stupid. Japanese were building cheap knock offs before they became high tech and now Chinese are going through that stage. Next will be India or some other place that doesn't have first tier education and workforce. You can't go from building lead painted dolls to Swiss watches overnight you fucking sperg
>>81512771
communism
>>81522102
Russia was extremely innovative when it was under communism. Current China is still copying Soviet technology.
>>81521134
Calm down with the economic patriotism. I'm typing this from a Chinese-designed, Chinese-made smartphone. They have already started to take design and software at home. They have bought European firms. They just don't have widespread access to our markets yet. I bought my phone online from a Chinese warehouse. It soon is coming though, and Greece will be the entry point for Chinese commerce in Europe. It's coming to America next. Apple is going to have trouble as soon as it hits.
>>81522299
well then i dont know
>>81522299
>china
>copying sovietshit
China has 8x the production of sovietshition.
>>81522010
There is alot to admire about China. But outside of self-flagellating Westerners, not even the Chinese think highly of innovation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-overtime-how-chinas-spies-can-watch-you-at-your-desk/
>>81522338
Look. If China TRULY becomes innovative, which could happen, then US corporations will lose control of the supply chains, as Chinese firms will develop their own products.
Not every nation is perfect, the US is garbage in many ways. But don't waste anyone's time calling a pig pretty.
>>81522432
See. This is the kinds of thing China is good at. But we won't recognize China, as it is, because it's politically incorrect.
>>81522710
Your opinion is the politically correct one on /pol/, so don't bitch. Everyone here has claimed that they cheat on IQ tests with no evidence. Innovation will come after they manage to become a largely middle-class society, through liberalization of the regime.
>>81522299
>>81521032
>>81520387
Americans really are the dumbest cunts in the world. Why do they all have the self-entitlement to provide explanations to everything they know nothing about? Anyone else in the world will respond will "hmmm I'm not really sure I haven't really read up on the subject".
Americans don't accept their ignorance as a possibility. Just mix and mash everything you know about the topic into a confused and paradoxical answer. Throw in some reductionist hollywood narrative. Make sure America comes out looking the best because "muh American exceptionalism". Your country is a complete joke and nobody has had respect for it in decades.
>>81517848
>anyone who has a slightly positive opinion of china is a paid shill
sea monkeys, not even once
>>81512771
China has almost zero niggers. The US nigger population brings down our average by a LOT
>>81523139
I'm not even defending America here, and somehow your making this about America again. (And even so, your statement is actually true about us!) Still. Our narcissism doesn't make China into a wonderland for science.
>>81523057
Liberalization would fucking wreck resource-poor China. More importantly, China may never even escape the Middle-Income trap. That's why China needs to control it's neighbors. It may take tribute to push them over the hump.
And even then, that wouldn't do shit to make China into an innovative country.
This discussion is just terrible.
>>81523057
The meme map of IQs around the world (the study done by Lynn) that gets posted here on pol is wrong for all sorts of reasons. 100+ countries weren't even tested and Lynn just estimated their IQ's from other countries he thought were similar - and a lot of the "national IQ scores" were just ridiculous samplings. For example, in some cases just a single test from a classroom of 20 children to determine the IQ of an entire country.
In reality the """""study"""" was a target painted around an arrow already shot. The IQ map came out with results that exactly matched American stereotypes that Asians are slightly smarter than Whites who are slightly smarter than Browns who are slightly smarter than Blacks. For people that have been seriously exposed to other cultures they're aware that the stereotypes of who is smarter than who changes around the world and if Lynn was from another country his """"study"""" would have produced results matching the stereotypes in that country.
That's not the say that there's no difference between race and IQ, but the international IQ study that /pol/lution relies on is a complete joke.
For the autists saying Chinese can't innovate, they have to ignore that the Chinese were technologically and scientifically ahead of the rest of the world from antiquity to the middle ages.
>>81524036
All assumptions. Cool. I personally think you're wrong because the average Chinese is more pragmatic than the average American. Your Ted-x innovation muh Steve Jobs sanctuary argument will only last you for so long, especially since you're not being that innovative lately. America is already facing big social upheaval and is on a way to become more conservative and isolated in a lot of ways, while China opens up to the world.
>>81524036
China isn't great but it's improving. It'll get there. Our countries have experience and institutions to draw from and teach younger generations, China is still catching up with that.
A lot of people are ignoring the fact that Chinese culture has huge emphasis on getting education so you get a lot of people "over-educated" and aiming too high for themselves. So you get dumbasses coming here to get engineering degrees that should be doing something else. And people look to them and think "wow this is a chinese engineer?".
>>81524663
Exactly, if you want to criticize the study, you have to criticize all of it, not just Chinese results because you dislike them. It doesn't make any sense.
>>81524719
China treats it's neighbors worse than the Turks treat the Greeks. But you wouldn't know, because the grass is greener.
Also. Americans are ruthlessly pragmatic like the Chinese. IDK where you get this idea they aren't.
Finally, America's future looks rather grim. I never contended it wasn't (thanks Globalists.) But for the love of fucking god, China is like among the least innovative nations in the present. Not the PAST, like this guy says, >>81524663, but in the PRESENT. Could China be innovative in the future? Yes. I'm not even arguing against that!
>>81524959
It sure well could get there. And we would know this when private Chinese firms begin to take over the supply chain (think Samsung/Korea or Nintendo/Japan.)
Logging out. I can't believe there are people who defend China as an innovative hub.
>>81512771
IQ doesn't necessarily also imply creativity, wisdom, education, ambition, etc.
>>81513765
>China would honestly do better if broken into smaller nations. I mean look at Singapore, HK and Taiwan.
This.
City states are the way to go. Think even Europeans may benefit from city states more than whole big nations.
only 5% of asians have evolved what most would a a "soul". you don't have to be creative in an ant hill. just move your share of dirt and pick up your dead comrades for recycling by the hive.
>>81525157
They are dominating underground coal mining with their latest machinery. It is Chinese designed and built and we rent their gear. I expect them to be pioneering in many fields soon
>>81525157
>I can't believe there are people who defend China as an innovative hub.
All I'm trying to argue is that it isn't the barren wastelands filled with subhumans that many here seem to think. They are intelligent, disciplined and they have a plan. The focus right now isn't on innovation, so you can't judge them for that. They're at a different point in their history than Western nations.
>>81512771
White western IQ is not 100, it's actually 101-102, and in some studies, even higher.
In Academia, we are indirectly taught to throw out Chinese studies, because they shit out 4x the papers, most of which are shitty quality.
Now I understand this may anger the chinks on here, but nobody in the west believes your exaggerated test scores or your terribly controlled and manipulated studies.
>>81525231
IQ is a meme, it's used by psychologists to determine mental retardardation, not how intelligent you are. You can't determine intelligence on a linear metric for the examples you gave, it is multi-faceted.
>>81525718
This kind of stereotypes are just sealing America's grave.
>>81526078
That's not the point. Their goal right now isn't to compete head-to-head with top Western research. They couldn't care less what you think - they are very self-conscious. Focus on how they're buying your country and possibly your university AND your research.
>>81512771
Chinks are prolific cheaters. You can literally hire Chinese companies do college for you. Literally they will do every assignment and test for you, letting you cheat your entire way through college.
These businesses are commonly used not only in China but outside of it by Chinese people studying abroad. I forget which college it was, but after an investigation they found almost all of their students from China were cheating.
Getting a high IQ isn't hard when you cheat.
>>81512771
Pretty much all the years since the Nobel prize started China has been in civil war, war, communist purges or pure communism
All of which repress scientific research to some degree, also modern chink education reward cheating and repress innovation, the 105 figure is probably inflated a bit
>>81526078
It's still a communist country and due to this they have nationalised academia and are heavily subsidized by the government. So they have to show they are producing results. So we get in the situation where they are pumping out bullshit just to justify their wage.
>>81525718
low iq american detected who thinks souls are real
mercy has been established to exist in some mammals
>>81512771
BUT MUH ASIAN SUPERIORITY!
>>81526442
You honestly think that the Chinese don't have a high IQ? Take a look at your nearest math department. And beware that what they aren't innovating, they are buying. That's right- prepare for the next wave of brilliant Western engineers to work for them.
>>81526337
>That's not the point. Their goal right now isn't to compete head-to-head with top Western research. They couldn't care less what you think - they are very self-conscious.
and they're shit at it, which is partially why china remains a shithole that nobody wants to live in
>Focus on how they're buying your country and possibly your university AND your research.
chinks are buying land outside China because when China eventually goes belly up, they want to have an escape plan. China is not an open or free country, it's a place where the state has total control over people's lives. Due Process and trial by jury are two hugely motivating factors in immigration. The same was true 70 years ago when Mao originally ascended into power.
>>81526078
Nah its cool, I'm ethnically Chink but I was born in America. Seriously the culture is toxic shit and all the above comments about cheating, cultural marxism (Thanks for destroying my heritage Mao), etc is pretty much on point. I don't even want to bring up the fuckery of ground up fetus pills, escalators, elevators, etc that have probably been brought up before in other threads.
On the bright side I'm better off as an American and being born/related to current day China would be a curse more than anything else. This is why I embrace my American values.
>>81526735
>You honestly think that the Chinese don't have a high IQ?
I don't, mostly because 90% of native born mainlander chinks are liars
>Take a look at your nearest math department.
full of cheaters, that's why 90% of the STEM classes are based on free answer (as opposed to multiple choice) exams now since it's where chink cheats can be found out
>>81527057
>your entire post
B-brother?
>>81515407
IQ is almost entirely genetic.
>>81526938
I worked at a European electronics company that got bought by China, together with all of its hard-earned intellectual property. Now they're just figuring out ways to use it in profitable ways. Research can be bought, is my point. They're in all big institutions anyway, they have your research. Top kek
>>81519624
>God are we lazy.
We have it too good
These fucking white boys in this thread.
You want to join the faggot blacks and Hispanics in dispelling IQ since you can't beat the East Asians now?
The Nobel prize is a recently coined western award that coincidentally was created while western civilization was in its zenith. It means nothing to anyone outside the west. Make an award that is rewarded for achievements in the entirety of the last 2,000 instead of a little sliver of time.
Can't wait to see the rationalization of some snow niggers trying to prove their intellectual superiority here.
>>81512771
>95% are rice farmers
doesn't seem accurate to me
>>81512771
That before or after they're given the answers to each test?
>>81514463
>t.Chinaman
>sees flag
Story checks out.
>>81526078
Whites are in denial, they are starting to sound like insecure threatened niggers coming up with all the statistics and bullshit to explain their high crime rates and poverty. It's pretty startling to see, but I can understand.
That average ignores the several hundred million gook peasants. It's skewed.
>>81522299
Russia repressed a lot of scientists thanks to communism, to the point of researchers migrating to the west and getting founding for their research, the basis for the F-117 was bornt out of a Soviet exile
Also they decided to copy American products instead of developing their own, which almost stopped their industry in some fields
>>81514517
Why the literal fuck are they doing that? Is the dog already dead? Or did they just hang it?
>>81527549
what's your point? American, British and German companies do the same.
>>81527720
I'm Pinoy, bitch. Mainlander chinks are stupid shitheads and always will be, so shut your mouth unless you've had to live around large concentrations of them.
>>81516617
Ha ha stupid chinos still think Pluto is a planet
It has nothing to do with I.Q., which only makes you a bit faster in figuring out some problems (unless you're literally retarded.) It's about culture.
China has a deep history (which every Chinese will tell you to compensate for their lack of modern progress) and innovation, which died as the culture became more and more authoritarian and consolidated. Rigid hierarchical and omnipresent political matters became a brain-drain which sucked away innovation. You guys had a chance after the fall of the Qing dynasty and thousands of years of dynastic rule but then you fucked up a few times more.
The West has a culture that allows creativity and innovation to thrive. It's a sort of controlled chaos, and to be a true Westerner you have to respect this engine that made the West great. This doesn't mean you can't have legitimate concerns about too much chaos, but longing for an authoritarian government and society is just plain stupid. There is some acceptable level of degeneracy, of allowed fuck-ups that must be tolerated.
Just an FYI, IQ was a measure created by whites. Every credible measure of country IQ (yes, I look at the same google searches you idiots point to that show your 100-102 average western iqs) has the East Asians as the highest. Keep denying and rationalizing all you want, I understand the thought of Asians being intellectually superior to a bunch of /pol faggots must sicken you.
>>81512771
You know IQ is defined as having 100 as the global average, right?
>>81512771
Cause chinese gready chinks
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/fuck-blm-and-fuck-isis-philandro-castile
>>81528310
You're a fucking Filipino?
You belong in the same category as blacks. Nobody in the fucking world is aware of you or respects you. Fucking third worlders.
>>81528845
it takes a dog to recognize a dog, my entire point is that mainlander chinks are shit and always will be
>>81529153
>>81529153
Some dogs are held in very high esteem like sheep herders or sight seeing dogs. Loyal and good. Brings a lot of good to the world at the end of the day.
Others are rabid violent shits that kill little children and are seen as vermin. Only use is to shit, breathe, and sleep. No use to the world.
in case you're still delusional and too retarded to tell, you flips are the second category of dogs. Know your place.
Shitskins.
>>81512771
no wonder they dont post here
>>81512771
>communism
>>81512771
I'd say this is a lie.
China is supposed to have 96% literacy rate too but I've spoken to Chinese who have said half their family can't read. And this was someone who made it to Ireland.
>>81528680
Yea and its mostly only useful as a retard identifier.
>>81512771
Is a 105 IQ supposed to be impressive to me? Good lord, how do you faggots even manage to wipe your asses correctly if you think that's a high IQ
Thinking creatively requires thinking outside of the box, questioning everything, asking the hard questions, poking the established beliefs, slaughtering sacred cows, rocking the boat and making waves.
All of the things that get you sent to a gook commy Chinese gulag where they harvest your fucking organs.
>>81531530
It's significant as far as averages go. 105 is the average jew IQ also.
>>81512771
The Chinese education system is centered around taking tests, not learning anything. But only the well-off take these things, so the statistics are likely skewed. Ask the average Chinese farmer or foxconn slave to do one of these and the results will be much different.
>>81512771
Yeah I'm sure all those peasents took the IQ test as well, oh wait they didn't because otherwise the average would be 90 or some shit.
>>81531530
Just a 5 point shift in the mean can have a huge impact on relative proportions.
For example:
>Admission to an Ivy requires an IQ of 120+.
>Chinese (avg IQ 105) are 3x as likely to have an IQ of 120+ as Europeans (avg 100).
>(Ashkenazi) Jews (avg 110) are 5x as likely to make the cut.
So, e.g. Harvard, Jews are 10% of students vs. 2% of the US pop. Asians are 15% of students vs. 5% of US pop.
Look up La Griffe du leon for more examples.
>>81513661
You seem to not understand what creativity is. It has nothing to do with arts & crafts, even less to do with "personal expression" (barf), and more to do with making connections between superficially unrelated things, i.e., depth of knowledge, pattern recognition, the ability to create deep and expansive deduction networks on the fly. Think about the process by which you decide the correct move in turn-based games like chess. You can't become good at chess by rote, you have to be creative. Same for intelligence.You can't be highly intelligent without also being highly creative. Don't conflate fast rote learners and fact parrots with "highly intelligent" people (these people are actually just morons in disguise), think more like macgyver and entrepreneurs, people who solve hard problems/puzzles, quickly, correctly, and consistently.
>>81512771
I'm glad Australia is using a pic featuring the true bantzmasters Canada at work. Its about tme you roofuckers accepted your dethroning.
>>81520115
Screencapped. You're right and in the future I will love having this pic
No wonder their immigration policies are strict.
Mfw poos have more Nobel prize winners in science then China.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_of_India
>>81515131
>China
>superpower
Lots of people making steel and toaster ovens does not a superpower make.
>>81520115
>Chinese institutions
>improving fast enough before the Great Debt Implosion of 2020-2025
Japan had a much longer history of innovating on European and American designs than China has. China hasn't invented ground-breaking stuff since the late 1400s.
>>81527441
My actual brother died mid pregnancy. As long as we're Ameribros I'm cool with that.
The mainland is somewhat of a lost cause to me at this point thanks to fucking commies ruining it but since I'm not there how many shits can I give given that my heritage was also destroyed by the commies?
>>81513840
Commies, man. Commies. Commies ruin everything.
>>81513620
>>81518628
More like, Mr. Wrong!
>>81513620
>Abos can hear a lizard scurrying underground 15 feet away
Damn. I can only do it from 10 feet away.
>>81512771
Computers are the "smartest" things in the world. They can perform complex calculations with perfect accuracy in nanoseconds and keep track of massive quantities of information. However, they have 0 intuition. While they can do things flawlessly once they are taught how to do it, they cannot produce original ideas or innovate.
Chinese are similar, relatively speaking.
>>81512771
All of your smart non-criminals move to the US where they can actually make money.
All these average IQ statistics don't take into account the difference in culture and the way kids are schooled.
You can train to do well in an IQ test, have you seen how crazy the children study in Japan?
The average is most likely inflated by this and the lax approach public schools take over here.
>>81512771
>we arent known for innovation
Don't be so humble, some of the sickest fucking shitposting this world has ever seen is Australian.
>>81519296
go away shlomo
>>81512771
Communism crushes all opportunity and all who stand out
Nobel prizes are jooeuro centric
China/Asia has been mostly disconnected from western academia except for Japan and that is because of USA
When the CCP becomes history, then you will see china flourish properly, but it will take time to undo the decades of brainwashing that crippled them
>>81513765
Every country would be better off if it was smaller.
The smaller the nation state the better
>>81512771
and regarding Australia, australia used to be the forefront of innovation because the harsh climate forces you to think of new ways to cope with it
Iit has all dried up in the last 2 decades because life is too convenient/americanised and the gutting of the economy shipping all manufacturing overseas means not many tech breakthroughs can be made here, and the dollar chasing culture has crushed most creative pursuits
Australia used to make lots of things
>>81513366
