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>Christians think this actually happened
>Modern science has shown that actually believing that this happened to be absurd
>Christians say it was allegory instead
>>81384773
>we're having this argument again
>>81384773
There must have been some serious fucking in that ark to repopulate the earth with humans and animals.
>>81384971
The story is older than religion has been passed from faith to faith for 10,000+ years.
>Hurr durr science says it's fake
This is why no one takes atheists seriously
>>81385739
No one takes the religious seriously either, don't worry.
>>81384773
>Atheist think the big bang happened
top kek
>>81384773
>animals leave the ark
>immediately start killing each-other
>only two of each animal. If one dies, the species is fuckt.
>extinct.rar
>>81386099
They just ate the Unicorn
>>81385849
Good for you. You've finally caught up with mediocrity.
>>81384773
Alot of religions think it actually happened. The flood more specifically, not sure how they specifically told the story.
>>81385929
That is the face of confused bewilderment.
>nothing ---> dot of everything magically spawns like Pikachu ---> explodes (for no reason) ---> evolves into people with emotions... for no reason
>atheists actually believe this
but yeh, a massive ark with animals on it is so farfetched
>>81387173
>he doesn't believe this
lol
>>81386742
>You've finally caught up with mediocrity.
what lol
It did happen. I sincerely believe that.
>>81384773
>atheists believe it's more logical that minerals turn into rabbits
>>81384773
wut if the ship was really big
>>81387353
what scientific proof is there for abiogenesis, big bang cosmology? Oh right you have none, you just go with what is socially popular.
LONDON HAMMER
look it up fool
I watched a video about the Nephilim a while ago by some guy (I can't remember who, but he had like curly hair and talked kinda funny/autistic like) and his videos were like decorated or something.
But point is, the evidence we have of those (what seem to be) severely malformed skull structures really convinced me that creatures of what we know not used to roam these lands alongside us humans, like giants and shit.
Wish I could find that video again.
>>81387173
apparently the keyword is "with emotions", which are oh so wonderlike and not just a moderately convoluted chemistry
>>81387496
Havent watched Soul Eater in a while. Thanks anon
>>81387818
dude the human eye
>>81387173
>>81387726
r u ok senpai?
Still more believable than We Wuz Kangz or Islam ever being peaceful.
>>81387726
I guess you don't need to believe it but trying to say believing in it is on the same level of ignorance as believing in the Ark is slly.
An unproven theory based on scientific observations and guesswork will never be as bad as "I believe this because an ancient book says it"
>cites a torah story
>calls it a christian story
I mean yeah it's all the same God but come on man.
>>81384773
And can you prove that it didn't? Nope, didn't think so.
Christians: 1
Atheists: 0
>>81387783
Why would you tip a fedora there m8? It is simply physically impossible to build a shit that could contain 2 of every animal, especially not with as many people as noah hand and in what time they lived in.
>>81387883
is as simple as an animal eye, so?
>>81384773
and everyone who decided to roll just said OK
m8...
>>81384773
>Not understanding what a parable is.
This shit gets so old. Just because you don't understand the difference between the Old Testament and the New doesn't mean it is wrong.
Grow up faggot.
>>81384773
there are dragons flying away?
>>81387964
>not believing ancient knowledge
>actually believing our ancestors didn't know things we knew now but on a much higher spiritual level
Hubris to the highest degree.
The flood did indeed happen both religions and science have evidence to prove it..its what killed the fallen angels' aka aliens' children with humans..their souls left after the flood are what we call demons today
>>81388179
are you telling me something so perfect just popped into existence
>>81384773
No we don't.
t. Christian.
>>81384773
>interpretating Bible literally
How's it going in 1200 AD man?
>>81387173
Actually when it was first proposed, scientists were antagonistic towards the idea of the Big Bang because it implied a creation [spoiler]and still does t b h[/spoiler]
>>81388258
rolling on dis
>>81384773
>but muh faith
>but it's not meant to be literally
>I'm no cherrypicking or anything
>>81388417
So you agree that people believed it literally until its claims could be proven, and big surprise, all turned out to be false?
>>81388258
>/b/
>angry christian trying to change the subject
fuck off faggot
>>81387557
>Yeah, that's totally what natural selection, abiogenesis and evolution tell us.
Get back to school, Ahmed.
Atheists are so brainwashed they believe NASAs fake pictures of the universe...THE EARH IS FLAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AND BASIC SCIENCE
>>81386099
not 2 of each. there were. according to the Bible, like 7 of each "clean" animal and some other number of "unclean" animals
>>81384773
It may be stupid, but it takes more faith to believe in Feminism and social justice than it does to believe in the word of the Bible.
>>81384773
Why is stuff like Christianity and Islam religions but not Greek mythology or Norse mythology? Isn't the concept basically the same?
>>81387923
>Kek.
Islamic golden age though.
>>81388407
but an animal eye isn't perfect, any modern digital cam is more efficient in many terms comparing to the eye. And with time these cameras will be closer and closer to the perfectness... just like the eye evolved from a simple light-catching cell
>>81388544
Nobody knows was it true or not, but as we see no miracles of God happening today can only assume that it is a parable.
>>81387173
>God --> dot of everything magically spawns like Pikachu ---> explodes (for no reason) ---> evolves into people with emotions... for no reason
how is this any better ?
dont get me wrong it makes me comfy af
but try not to use sense and logic ina thread where god is concerned
it wont fly
>>81384773
but you're here to tell them it's a metaphor OP, so everything's ok
>>81388745
i dont have pixels in my vision sorry lol
>>81385739
>The story is older than religion has been passed from faith to faith for 10,000+ years.
Yes show us all those written records of the great flood that are more than 10,000 years old
>>81388327
O.K., you tell me which stories are to be taken literally and which are not.
>>81388878
This isn't any better because it's a strawman and not really what science is talking about.
>>81385040
d-dr. j-jeckyl?
>>81388357
>actually believing our ancestors didn't know things we knew now but on a much higher spiritual level.
That's why they had such long and healthy lifes. Oh wait, they didn't.
>>81388411
Some do, especially in the US. FFS We had some idiots build an ark replica in Kentucky that was finished like a week ago.
>>81388364
>science have evidence to prove it.
Source?
>>81389073
Why do religious people think science is against religion ?
what we are talking about here is faith
so... apples and oranges
>>81388958
That's because the eye isn't digital in this aspect. I could refer to old nondigital cams which don't have any pixels too, but you probably havent seen one
>>81387173
We see the universe expanding in different directions retard
No on sees an entire species coming back from near extinction from on two animals and a fuckload of incest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz
i believe that a flood happened
i dont believe that there was a dude and a boat
>op thinks he's not actually a faggot
>>81387496
>I read this in Crona's voice and I don't know how to deal with that
>>81385739
How does it feel to be retarded
>>81389226
But anon
you think all atheists are fedora wearing virgins with acne
so whats the dealeo ?
>>81388630
So, how come all the marsupials are in Australia? Did he make a stop there on the way back to Ararat?
>>81388984
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
>>81387818
This is the exact line of thinking that caused me to abandon my atheism and lose my faith in science.
It's immoral, anti-human nonsense that will lead to the extinction of our specifically. You have all the tools to dismantle the intricate pocket watch that is the human condition yet none of the knowledge or ability to put it back together again, let alone restore it to proper running order.
All your precious "science" has ever done of note is quadruple the population of niggers, and convince entire generations of our youth that it's not worth reproducing.
>>81389407
Thanks for contributing
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
>>81389507
>a twisted retellng
gud1 m8
next ur gonna tell me jesus wasn't rly born on saturnalia
XD
>>81389457
>>81388491
Indeed. Creation doesn't imply a creator though.
Now scientists believe that the multiverse (Not the universe) is eternal
>>81388984
Epic of Gilgamesh
>Garden of Eden
>Noahs Flood
>Advice from Ecclesiastes
Sorry that its only 4100 years old.
>>81389539
>It's immoral, anti-human nonsense that will lead to the extinction
Not entierely but this
>>81389232
Maybe that's because science often contradicts with many religion (because religions are generally inconsistent, while science has to be consistent by definition).
>>81389507
>So what you're saying that the Bible is wrong and there were other survivors after all? India has a similar myth, are they also survivors of the flood?
real christian here and i believe in noah's ark. here is what actual real christians believe according to what the bible says
a pair of each KIND was put into the arc. what "kind" means? no one knows for sure, but it was probably a very general definition like canine, feline, ape, bear, different kinds of birds, elephants, horse, etc. they dont look live modern animals at all due to natural selection
Most likely noah just picked up whatever animals were around and what he thought was a different kind
animals were still all vegetarian
christians believe in natural selection. the reason why there are so much diversity today is because the few animals that came from the arch have free range to populate the entire planet without any limits. you would be surprised how quickly life takes over an unpopulated land. After the chernobyl disaster occured. the govt set up an exclusion zone where no human was allowed. after just a couple of years bears were started to be spotted, an animal that was thought to be extinct and last seen in the area during the middle ages
>>81388958
>>81388407
>>81387883
>>81387173
How fucking retarded are you that you haven't even learned the absolute basics of evolution that all children learn in elementary school?
Not believing in it is one thing, but it's just amazing how many christfags just plain do not understand one of the most basic principles of our world, and seriously think it comes down to things "popping into existence".
This is why religion still exists. Complete and utter ignorance and retardation.
>>81388745
>can't see the forest for the trees
That's proof of a creator, you faggot. Cameras are a created thing, based on another created thing known as the eye.
I'm pretty much convinced 90% of all fedoras have autism.
what if your an atheist, BUT, don't wear a fedora, dont have acne,dont have a beard, physically fit and hate trans, muslim, and non-white individuals, does that still make me a fedora tipping faggot?
>>81389107
>Tips fedora.
I wonder if religious people really believe most atheists are like this one. Also ad hominem.
>>81389653
Not an atheist bro
and you failed utterly to answer my question.
your the same as an atheist only ur on the other side of the fence
>>81389539
Entirely this
>>81384773
>DA BROBLE HAS TA BE LITTERAL
This meme needs to die.
>>81389539
> You have all the tools to dismantle the intricate pocket watch that is the human condition
No we don't. Yet.
As for white people not willing to reproduce, that's because of modern consumerism culture and not because of science.
>>81384773
What the fuck is that armored Rhino on the right?
Looks like some fucking Douglas Dixon After Man shit
>>81388630
I don't think you understand the risks of incest.
>>81389679
No.
Actually read the article
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
>>81384773
If it's indeed an allegory ( which tradition and further scriptural lecturing imply otherwise ) - then the mentioned characters in the narrative do not exist - if they don't Jesus is lying.
His life, his words are fabulation - not real.
>>81390003
Worshipping science leads to self-annihilation
Consumerism is all that's left to fill the gap that Atheism has left in people
>>81390040
>mexican
>calls southerners incestuous
toppest of keks
It pains me to see that both sides of the arguement behave exactly the same
>>81384773
I like Christianity, but taking it literally - or taking any religious story literally - is literally retard behaviour. It's all about the message not the fucking two-of-each-animal-huge-fucking-boat details
>>81389806
>animals were still all vegetarian.
You can't be serious, right?
>>81384773
>putting a couple of every one of the billions of different animals into an impossibly large wooden ship
>kangaroos, tapirs, lemurs etc. make a journey across the planet just to get into the ark
>forget about the dinosaurs somehow
>convince carnivores to not eat other animals while the trip lasts, pretty please
>the ark holds millions of tons of food to feed the billions of animals while the trip lasts
>the entire world is flooded and then the million of cubic kilometers of water just go away
>noah takes a small detour around the whole fucking planet to put kangaroos, tapirs and lemurs back into their corresponding continents
>plants just don't give a fuck about the whole global catastrophic flood deal
>fossils, lol whatever
>>81389119
Hate to point it out, but honestly many ancient people lived very long lives. It was the infant mortality rate that gave the illusion of a higher lifespan in the 20th century. Today a woman almost never dies in child birth and the child has a high chance of making it out of the whole ordeal alive.
>>81389539
Yup.
Daily reminder this abandoment of subverted knowledge is the first step to ceasarism and the religion of the blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFyI5vlkec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpof96pVx-c
Let the hate wash over you and cleanse your soul.
>>81389830
>Not understanding how evolution and natural selection work.
Man, this is why burgerland imports scientists.
>>81390308
>2016
>Having abstract feelings like faith
>"I'm so evolved as a person because I lack imagination and creativity"
>>81390247
Nice dodge Christcuck
>>81389806
More total retardation.
The mere idea of a "vegetarian feline" is laughably absurd.
All the different "kinds" you are mentioning are extremely closely related genetically which shows your complete lack of knowledge of biology. None of them have existed for more than 1% of the time life has existed on Earth. Meanwhile, carnivorism is almost as old as life itself.
I also wonder where dinosaurs fit into your ridiculous myth. The answer to that is probably about as dumb as the myth itself.
>>81389822
i thought my bait was obvious enough, maybe you are the one with complete and utter retardation lol have a think about that
>>81390003
and modern consumer culture is only possible in a godless society where there is no objective right and wrong beyond that which the state has declared illegal and even that is hotly contested.
>>81390269
So you like shitlibs infiltrating every facet of your institutions and changing things because "hurr it's not real anyway."
Good plan, retard.
>>81389927
>Saved picture.
You guys need to look at the UN logo which looks exactly like the flat earth model..do some research and you'll understand how we actually like a fucking dome
>>81389830
Except cameras aren't created in their modern form, they evolved from a cardboard box with powder, used before even learning about working of an eye.
>>81388562
Actually I do not follow the christ-god but merciful Allah
>>81390490
>christcuck
A wild cripplechan faggot appears.
>>81390523
>I was merely pretending
>>81390583
It must be liberating for you to view life so simplistically
>>81388258
Rol
This is the biggest flaws from athiests, they believe in fucking Bill Bye and Neil DeNigger FreeMason puppets.
Wake up people the earth is flat
>>81388407
>>81387883
m8, eyes like ours evolved twice, in mammals and in squid.
Except unlike mammals squid eyes have the optic nerves below the retina, not above, so have no physiological blind spot. Their eyes are literally better.
>>81390448
I know about the infant mortality rate thing, their lifespans were still shorter and a lot (A lot, a lot, ad infinitum) less healthy.
>>81390526
No, the consumerism perfectly fits godful societies like those emirates or, you know, USA.
Meanwhile, godless societies like China or USSR didn't have consumerism at all.
>>81390870
how would you go about printing a globe on paper
Even if God did exist it is a logical impossibility that he is moral or that we have free will. I would prefer to believe in the morality of man and innate free will.
>believing that dust and minerals came together to form sentient life
Im not a christian but desu that sounds equally as far-fetched as the arc story.
How the fuck did it go from raw elements to the first single celled organism??? We have never been able to scientifically prove that is even remotely possible. Is it really that hard to believe there may be something out there that set this into motion?
>>81390870
You know the UN uses that logo because they wanted a projection that didn't centre on a continent right?
The original suggestions placed some nation/region in the middle, so they switched to that projection.
>>81390750
And to you as well my humanist friend.
>>81390991
>implying Western countries aren't Godless societies
>>81384773
It did. Next time will be fire.
>>81391128
Literal autism. Once again, I am quite certain that 90% of all fedoras have it.
>>81390526
>Slavery.
>Explotation of women.
>Holy wars.
>Medical ignorance.
Somehow modern society is worse than past societies.
>>81390960
But they weren't substantially shorter, many would still make it to 65/70. Do you honestly want to be held together by bits and pieces loaded up on medication in a hospice for the last 30 years or so of your life? Is that how you would want people to remember you? A crippled and weak old man?
>>81390518
>I also wonder where dinosaurs fit into your ridiculous myth. The answer to that is probably about as dumb as the myth itself.
I've spoken to christians who believe dinosaurs were demons that some time roamed the earth.
>>81384773
It's a Jew story from jewish old testament. Why do you single out Christians?
>>81391035
You're fucking sheep. Start by looking up the NASA conspiracy..did you know Buzz was a Freemason?
Look at all the OFFICIAL NASA pics of the earth and notice how all the continents very in sizes due to poor Photoshop skills..the earth is FLAT, look it up and you'll find the JESUITS biggest lie.
EVERYONE KNEW THE EARTH WAS FLAT UP UNTIL 500 YEARS AGO WHEN THE JESUITS TOOK OVER
>>81384773
They found the boat in Turkey prove me wrong.
Well there goes the mexican intellecual meme, Paco is literally the only one ITT who understands evolution.
We've literally seen forced adapation, random mutation and combinations of both slowly alter animal species. Fuck bacteria do it YEARLY. What more do you retarded Christcucks need?
>>81384773
>atheists think this actually happened
>>81391432
Everyone on this board already hates kikes and mudslimes, yes he's singling out christians
>>81391471
you must be trolling but if you're not then you should know that the pics of the earth from space are composite images because orbit isn't far enough away to take a picture of the full earth at once, so they take photos in sections and stitch them together
>>can't see the forest for the trees
lmao
>>81391471
if the earth was really flat, why don't you focus on becoming the first person to find the fucking edge? Like rent an icebreaker or something and sail to antarctica. Go on an expedition to the edge, take some pics and come back. You'd become the most famous person on the planet over night.
Or better yet, get a badass weather balloon and put a camera on it that doesnt have fish-eye lens. Tell me what you see.
I cannot fucking believe that people still believe the earth is flat in 2016. We can prove the earth is round with science. You guys only have easily disprovable conspiracy theories. Fuck off m8
>>81391471
You're a fucking moron. You can prove the earth isn't flat on your own with a goddamned telescope and some basic measurements. How the hell do you explain being able to depart from Los Angeles to to Tokyo, then Tokyo to Berlin, then Berlin to New York and back to Los Angeles on a fucking plane in the exact timeframe that one could expect moving at a certain rate of speed? This could not occur if the earth was any other shape.
>fucking cancer
>>81391471
yep, that must be why objects disappear over the horizon at long distances, because jesuists
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
>>81384773
>the flood didnt happen
As an atheist i can only hope that for yourselt you make your suicide pleasant because after that nobody will remember your stupid shitposts.
>>81384773
The event did happen, the area around Mesopotamia and as far as Eastern Turkey were flooded when an Astroid landed near the shore where some river ran into the Mediterranean. Nowhere does it actually say that the entire planet was flooded. Those people are idiots.
>>81384773
But he's totally not sliding goyi-I mean, guys.
Oy vey.
>>81388258
ral
For any of you people interesting in reading what the delusional flat earthers have to say, go on facebook and look for a group called flat earth discussion. Its pretty comical how stupid these people are. The best part (or maybe worst part) is that there are thousands of them who all believe the earth is flat.
Did not happen once as a history...
It is an Archetype and it happens often.
>>81391409
>13 years isn't a lot of time.
Maybe for you, burger.
But they weren't substantially shorter, many would still make it to 65/70
That wasn't the average lifespan of a peasant.
>Do you honestly want to be held together by bits and pieces loaded up on medication in a hospice for the last 30 years or so of your life? Is that how you would want people to remember you? A crippled and weak old man?
Please, don't tell me you believe "muh corporations are evil, modern medicine is bad".
A lot (A lot) of once common diseases are now rare. If you take care of yourself your last years don't have to be like that, amerifat. Life is so incredibly better now for the average Joe, i don't know why you think the opposite.
>>81388984
>no amount of scientific evidence will convince me yet i challenge you to do so
>>81391232
> How the fuck did it go from raw elements to the first single celled organism???
Random luck. How else?
We have never been able to reproduce this because we're still mostly barbarians lacking tools and knowledge (in part it's because of religious lobbies).
> Is it really that hard to believe there may be something out there that set this into motion?
No, it's actually very easy to believe, but it then brings a lot of new questions (like "who created god"/etc) and it's just an endless path to nowhere.
>>81391847
>>81391820
How about you read about the concept before you make assumptions about how it works...look up what pilots say about it..do some research instead of believing the government and religions you shit on so much...it will explain EVERYTHING once you realize we live in a dome..population control, no more space missions, etc
>>81391717
>Saved gif.
>>81390991
You obviously don't know the chinese then, they are EXTREMELY consumerist and materialistic, I am saying this from personal experience, since I live in commiefornia and there are tons of chinese here
>>81391365
Well, there's certainly more religious people than atheists in the West.
>>81389670
Yea it does. DNA is a language. Languages need authors.
> Mexican Intellectuals
>>81392362
proof it's a dome? or even some arguments to slightly suggest that it might be a dome?
Moose canoe over to the Middle East all the time. In pairs.
HITLER knew the earth was flat, he's your fucking hero so maybe you'll actually go and do some research now
Bible makes more sense than any atheist argument.
prove me wrong
>protip... you cant
>>81392358
We are so close to reproducing ARN elements though, so fucking close.
>>81392468
Yes, and they speak Arabic.
>>81392362
>look up what pilots say
>mfw I am a pilot for American Airlines
>>81384773
>Inbreeding is a problem
>Breeding all the world's animals from the same mates isn't
Logic
North pole is the center of flat earth, sun is not 96 millions millions gtfo south pole is outside of flat earth sky is blue because water abover. We cannot land on the moon because we cannot get through the firmament in the sky..
There are over 76 bible verses in the bible talking about this as well as real scientists not Freemason puppets
>>81384773
We do???
t. Eastern Orthodox Catholic
>>81389351
>because i am illiterare everybody on a chinese holocaust-memorial board is too
>>81392714
No difference, really. All religions are just very successfull memes of the past.
>>81384773
>lion kills unicorn right when they get off the boat
Well that explains it
>>81392847
I read the Bible everyday. I have never seen the Bible say the earth was flat. Ever. Not once.
Have you ever used a concordance in your life?
>>81392596
The tortuous logic people employ to convince themselves their religious book is real... If this was true, it would never be night.
>>81389200
>Some do, especially in the US.
So in other words some Protestant group that branched off from another Protestant group which branched of another ect ect made out of 1000 in some place in Kansas represents Christians.
This is why I fucking hate Protestants.
>>81390666
>Merciful
>Kabar
>>81392504
DNA is only a language if you impose your retarded human centric viewpoint on it.
DNA is an organic molecule that, over billions of years, set in motion a self-propagating system of immortality by random chance and ideal conditions.
Genomes more fit for their environment replicate DNA better. We are just carriers for it.
>>81384773
Why can't people accept religion for what it is. A giant book of cultural guidelines to make society homogeneous by getting us all to share the same sense of morality so that we can fight over more important things than whether someone should be able to get their dicks cut off.
>>81392504
>Leafs.
DNA and RNA come from an interesting mix of luck and other elements that we are so close to reproducing in a lab. You don't need a sky nigger daddy to do it.
I thought you northerners were smart. You deserve Trudeau
>>81392358
These arguments are terrible. "Ranndom luck" - "a miracle and faith"
Le we are just barbarians the super science alien people of the future will figure it out with purple, radioactive dildos meme. "God works in mysterious ways, you must have faith, anon". Not to metion the God of the gaps.
Actually there are enough theories of abiogenesis around, so you don't have to resort to these.
>>81392288
>13 years isn't a lot of time.
Europeans think, that 100 miles is a long distance. Americans think, that 100 years is a long time.
Asians do not think, that 100 million is too much people, and Africans do not think ... much...
>>81393004
Their "bliblical evidence" for flat earth is are references to the "four corners" of the earth, which if taken literally, would imply the earth could not be round.
>>81393062
Do you enjoy lying?
>>81392414
Yeah, today Chinese became consumerist as well as Russians. Still it shows that consumerism isn't connected to religion, it can arise in both types of societies.
>>81392853
Yes.
Many theologians - including one canonized as saint had an opinion about it ( St. Paisios )
Seraphim Rose also talked about the theological aspects and its implications - about evolution and much more.
As a orthodox Christian if the events in Pentateuch are an allegory - a lie - then it all breaks down, it makes Jesus a liar.
>>81393190
I guess they have to ignore Jeremiah.
>>81392949
>>>no difference
Christianity: have faith in Jesus and all your sins are forgiven to you, the world shall become a communionn of love one day
Islam: let's conquer all of that shit and behead anyone who dares to resist or leaves the religio.
You guys are totally same.....
the bible is metaphorical you fuckwit.
It's just a storytelling vehicle created by medieval monks, in order to instill Christian values in the uneducated peasantry
>>81393229
Exactly. I actually became a Christian this year because I learned of the truth about evolution being a lie and the flood being real during my own study. It shook me so hard. I didn't want to believe in God at all.
It pains me to see Christians shy away from what the Bible says. Its all absolutely true.
>>81393111
Nice Joke.
>>81391373
And by fire I mean nuclear, solar and space object impact fire. Shalom.
>>81393192
No. Do you?
>>81392226
What do flat earthers believe the agenda is of us globeys?
>>81390884
>humans were merely a testing platform for the superior cephalopod physiology
i for one welcome our new squid overlords
>>81393536
Dr. Goldberg, please.
>>81393058
Do you think that life appeared from inorganic molecules? The odds of that ever happening are next to impossible. All phylum of life appeared on earth at roughly the same time.
>>81387173
>implying the dot didn't explode into an ark full of animals and people with emotions for literally no reason
>>81393572
What you stated was factually incorrect. I assume you're just speaking out of ignorance. We aren't close to replicating the functions of RNA or DNA. We barely just discovered that DNA and RNA reads both forwards and backwards.
>>81387557
>Christians claim how can something come from nothing
>what created god
>>81388258
rollin m8
>>81393062
>so close
There is absolutely no proof that life exists anywhere other than here on earth and man has never created life.
>Atheist think the big bang happened
>atheists actually believe nothing ---> dot of everything magically spawns like Pikachu ---> explodes (for no reason) ---> evolves into people with emotions... for no reason
>atheists believe it's more logical that minerals turn into rabbits
>Atheists are so brainwashed they believe NASAs fake pictures of the universe
Atheists simply fail to believe in AmunRa, Zeus, Apollo, Elohim, Allah, Uhuru Mazda, Zoroaster, Yahweh and the long list of your other manufactured entities that make beliebers feel warm and safe.
>>81384773
Actually almost every religion and culture for that matter has a great flood myth including the Hindus who have the oldest surviving religion
>>81389806
A REAL Christian? So rare to find one these days.
Hey guys, it's a real Christian!
>>81392226
People are complex. They can be intelligent in some ways, yet believe stupid things. One of my high school chemistry professors was a creationist. I could not understand how a person who job includes explaining how we can determine the age materials with radioactive decay could believe something as stupid as the earth being 6000 years old.
>>81390423
If moses was human and dinosaurs died before
humans came into existence how the hell is he going to put them on the ark you retard
>>81393953
I am too. We do exist.
Religion is a meme, however Christianity has the best system for how you should behave and treat your fellow man and family. Therefore, live like a Christian but believe what you want.
>>81394045
You're all as bad as the average pagan.
>>81388738
>Kek
BTW the kek thing isn't just fags that got bored with lel, it's fag satanists and their ignorant tools who want pain and suffering because they're pathetic shitbags. Don't buy in, watch https://youtu.be/XXRC4TfmHEs?t=15m and make up your own mind. Also look into Manly P Hall's freemason plan for 3 world wars, with the 3rd being to instigate war between islam and christianity.
>>81393847
>>81393847
>>81393847
WRONG, humans made the first artificial organism in 2014
>>81393707
>http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-ames-reproduces-the-building-blocks-of-life-in-laboratory/
O.K., o.k., it was an hyperbole. I am just excited about it.
>>81388662
>christfag can't defend his ridiculous beliefs with logic
>better use le epin neckbeard memeXXDXDXDXD
>>81394134
We're all dirty rags before the Lord. That is why we need Jesus Christ. To wash us clean.
>>81393060
>Why can't people accept religion for what it is. A giant book of cultural guidelines to make society homogeneous by getting us all to share the same sense of morality so that we can fight over more important things than whether someone should be able to get their dicks cut off.
The Middle East religions are the primary cause of nearly all worldwide strife for the past 3000 years.
Reject all the Bronze Age Middle East goat-fucker religions
>>81393747
God does not need to be created, as he exists before time. Creation requires time.
>81394143
>this guy again
i almost wonder if he's got a bot that hunts the catalog for any instance of "Kek"
>>81394173
And artificial intelligence is real intelligence right?
>>81391583
>They found the boat in Turkey prove me wrong
You made the ridiculous claim. Prove they found the boat in Turkey.
>>81390423
>implying anyone in their right mind believes it was anything more than the flood that smashed some of the early settlements in a valley
>>81394299
guaranteed replies bait
>>81393847
Yet.
>http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-ames-reproduces-the-building-blocks-of-life-in-laboratory/
>>81388258
Ok Rollin
>>81394295
Yep Isaiah 57:15. Look it up.
>>81394272
The Lord is the title that God gave to Ha Satan. By worshiping The Lord you warship Babylon and all that it stands for. You are corrupted by your religion and your politics.
>>81393663
So what's wrong? An organic life appeared from organic molecules. There could be infinite ways in which it could appear, so one of them had eventually rolled in.
>>81390423
it amazes me how anyone can believe this actually happened
>>81384773
Sooo.... what's happening there? Did a species just go extinct?
>>81394612
The odds of that happening are so astronomical it takes more faith to believe in that chance than to consider creation.
>>81391232
>How the fuck did it go from raw elements to the first single celled organism??? We have never been able to scientifically prove that is even remotely possible.
The Miller-Urey experiments in the 1950s proved that 22 amino acids were spontaneously formed under primitive Earth conditions.
Just because we don't understand precisely why these chemical reactions tend to occur the way they do does not necessarily mean Jebus did it.
>>81394733
Yeah
The Unicorns
>>81392670
>implying the Babble makes sense
>>81392596
> ... knew the earth was flat,
That Earth is round can be easily measured, even old greeks knew, that Earth is round and could calculate it's radius. You need just two angle measures, one boat mast whose length you know and know the distance between two points along the coast... (by 2 angles from 2 coast-points you measure exact distance to boat, then by mast-height hidden below sea surface you measure curvature) Metre is 1/10e6 of quarter of meridian length - because french in 18th century could well calculate that too...
Todays meteorology is too complicated for it to be a possibility that all the geostationary images, both european and american and chinese are fake while cooperated together...
Anyhow, since some time people thinked, that Earth is flat, even today they think, that the Universe is flat in 3D... A same nonsense. (Universe radius is 26 Gly, a 3D surface of 4D sphere... means that any direction you start, after 160G years you return to where you started from the other side. Hypothetically. It's interesting, because it is a proof, that Big bang never happened, and Einstein exactly this already knew. Started by an acoustic wave from a big void formless space, creating star-light from previously cold hydrogen, not water, by a Spirit hovering above that Space, not inside...)
Like in 17th century _scientists_ thought and argued, that alive beings like earthworms and flies just so "happen" from non-alive mud, nowadays they just shifted it by one octave more away, saying, that alive beings could just so "happen" from non-alive mud some very long time ago... A very same nonsense, just today it is little more remote hidden from direct testimonies...
Someone trusts the true God, even if not understanding him correctly, because Dogma is rather obsolette, someone trusts false scientists...
>>81394295
That's true in science but not in religion actually.
Big Bang states that all energy was focused in a single point, dimensions didn't exist, including time. All the energy in the universe was condensed to one tiny 0 dimensional point, and the very first thing that happened, before time existed (there was no waiting period) was that height, width, depth and time were created, and as the universe grew the temperature lowered and matter could form out of the energy due to mass energy equivalence (which is demonstrably true).
Now, if you have a god, at that point he surely had to do his little magic spell or have a thought process or wave his arms or do something, and all of these require some concept of time. In science, time is inferred from a change in entropy, it's not an absolute property, and we know it varies massively, e.g. the faster you're moving the slower you age (special relativity) and the closer you are to a gravitational well the same (general relativity) (both demonstrably experimentally true btw and necessary to control for when doing GPS calculations).
So, time as you know it as some constantly churning ticking rate is pretty much bullshit and you just think it is because you're always moving at such slow speeds you never get to experience relativity, and since entropy is always increasing you assume that time is ticking because your preceding memories of lower entropy tell you so.
In short: your god requires time to have existed before the universe, the big bang requires time to have /not/ existed
>>81394586
Don't be silly. YHWH was referred to in the hebrew as their master/lord as well in the same strokes.
I know who my Master is.
>>81394798
This still doesn't explain life creating itself
>>81394652
>Saved.
>>81394798
Jebus freaks would have a really hard time in a statistics course. It must be very hard for them to understand there are often many ways for one outcome to occur.
>>81394758
>Small odds is worse than no odds.
What?
>>81394798
I suggest you read a book called Genetic Entropy.
>>81394901
Dude, we don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That doesn't mean you can decide nothing happened.
>atheism
>morality
Pick one. All cucktheism does is create nihilism, decay the moral order and breed self-destructive degeneracy. See: Sweden.
Enjoy your muzzies, it's gonna pretty funny watching you try and tip your fedoras at the Muslim horde.
>Buh buh guys you gotta stop believin in Allah cus muh rationality and muh science. Guys please stop building mosques in my town, read this book by Dawkins and see how wrong you are!
>Dog is our best friend because it was us human who created the species called dog
Infidels will keep saying this.
>>81394901
Incorrect. God is timeless, eternal. He does not exist in time as we know it, time as we know it is merely part of his space-time continuum construct. He existed before the universe existed, and he will exist after the universe as we know it ceases to exist. As will we.
Protip: The universe had a beginning. All things that have a beginning are created. The universe was created. An omnipotent being beyond our comprehension who did the creating is actually a much more sane explanation than any other currently on offer.
>>81384773
You believe in the moon landing.
>>81394758
The odds of this exact single type of life happening are astronomical indeed, but the odds of SOMETHING (any type) happening are 100%.
>>81394904
By rabbinical Jews. Who said it was illegal to say Gods name. Yahowah. Why you think his name is Jesus when he said that he would have Gods name in his. You claim he is salvation but do not even know his name. Yahowsha (Yah Saves)Jesus cannot save you. If you keep your "faith" in him, you will surely die.
athiest fags: since your precious science is so accurate 100% of the time, look at the equation of your odds of just existing right now and tell me you dont believe in a creator. Ohh so you mean to tell me your just one lucky summa bitch?
>>81388893
>Mexican Apostates
>>81393017
Based off of the science that we know
God is stronger then science
>>81395380
Than why are we the only life? Why is there only life right here on earth?
>>81395438
>this
>>81384773
It did but it was local
Happened in the Tarim Basin. It was God
s punishment for the Sons of God (ADAM'S RACE) mixing with the Asiatics (DAUGHTERS OF MEN)
READ GENESIS 6:1-5
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/deluge.html
>>81395067
I never decided that, it is an explicit part of the big bang theory that all dimensions were created.
It's a common misconception from shit-tier non STEMmers that the big bang just blew some shit into preexisting space.
The big bang CREATED all dimensions, including time. General relativity shows us spacetime is a single fabric, special relativity shows us they are linked when you move across the t axis you stop moving in the space axis and vice versa, hence photons not aging because they move at c in space and therefore not at all in time.
There is no reason to assume the universe existed pre big bang unless it collapsed in a crunch first and is on an infinite cycle of bangs and crunches. All we know is that there physically can't have been time because there was no spacetime, there was literally just a ridiculously high energy packet in zero dimensions.
And I didn't decide this, I have a physics degree, sorry bro.
>>81395481
>Being mexican.
>Thinking that you are really catholic when your beliefs are just a mix of christianity and animism.
Kek.
>>81395172
Atheism doesn't say anything about morality is just lack of belief. You have to select a moral system; e.g. consequentialism. Which is better than your deontological shit bt-w.
>>81395492
OR god could just make the earth the round have no need of miraculous nonsense. Especially since Jesus had such a boner for people believing things without any proof, it would only make sense to have the workings of the universe be non-miraculous since that would necessarily imply the existence of some kind of god.l
>>81395561
Huh. We aren't the only life on Earth. In fact, lots of new lifeforms appear every day (bacterias, new viruses, etc).
>>81395283
You don't know god.
>>81389601
But the Israelite literally just copied the gilgamesh flood myth, that's where they got the idea.
This proves nothing except that there was a gilgamesh flood myth.
>>81395438
First, science isn't 100% accurate, like a glass of water isn't 100% H2O.
Odds of me coming to the thread are astronomically small, but odds of any atheist coming to the thread are basically 100%.
>>81391307
You didn't properly follow our conversation.
>>81387801
Trey Smith.
>>81390423
the idea is that the world was 1 supercontinent before the flood that essentially sat ontop of a large water layer. When the flood happened, the supercontinent split up and spread.
There's an interesting video by a geologist that explains a theory pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q4bgm4uodo
>>81395438
>the equation of your odds of just existing
>>81395438
>>81385849
tell that to mudshits blowing themselves up over it
>>81396155
is it funny because your mind can't comprehend it
>>81395283
> time as we know it is merely part of his space-time continuum construc
no bro, time is delta entropy, it isn't even a real quantity, you think you observe it because you have memories that say your clock ticked, but there is no reason to assume a timestep whatsoever. Spacetime exists as the fabric we exist in, sure. And, lol, sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
>All things that have a beginning are created
Cancer has a beginning when it randomly mutates. Is that created?
So, if all things that have a beginning are created, who created God then? Because, that's what you just said. That everything needs to be created.
I am positing that all the energy we always knew existed, always existed for as long as time has existed.
You are positing everything I am positing, but also saying there's an invisible man who loves you who made it. Yours requires one very very very large extra leap in disbelief which has no evidence.
If you want to tell me the universe is a simulation or a scientific experiment started by some 5th dimensional creature that doesn't interact with our universe and just allows it to run, I'm open to that idea. To argue that some desert dwellers writing a book about something hundreds of years after it supposedly happened which constantly contradicted itself is somehow evidence of some omnibenevolent god who never shows his benevolence (or anything at all), you're going to have to do better.
>>81384773
Not me and I'm Christian.
>>81395438
>something is unlikely therefore it is impossible
>>81395830
>>81395872
POST THE REST
>>81396315
its not just unlikely its almost impossible
>>81395783
Yeah, a morality that can be reasonably followed by millions of people. Appeals to them, to human nature. Something easily understood by them. You think millions of oridnary people are going to live, fight and die for some academic, masturbatory garbage explained in dusty old texbooks? Yeah, definitely a recipe for moral order. That's how you build a society, you have the janitors and window cleaners learn """consequentialism""
Moron.
>>81394916
Yes it does. "Life" is just self-replicating molecules. Put a bunch of every atom type in an ocean of solvent, apply energy for a few million years and you'll get self-replicating molecules sooner or later. The very rules of the universe, i.e. chemistry, not only allow it, but mandate it, because otherwise it wouldn't be possible at all.
It's not an accident, it's intrinsic to the universe and its laws. If you want to put a god in it, you have to put him in a rule-designing role, not in a life-creating role.
>>81396075
Thanks breh
>>81396295
>time is delta entropy
I am stealing this
also
>universe is in constant equilibrium much like a jar with particles
>but equilibrium is just an average, so there may be particles moving at all times
>that movement while not destroying equilibrium is what we call existence
You fucks are in denial that there was a godly being that once walked this Earth.
>>81395715
SÃ, mariconcito; ya puedes seguir administrando tu página de memes irónicos en Facebook, niño mongolito.
>>81396295
>If you want to tell me the universe is a simulation or a scientific experiment started by some 5th dimensional creature that doesn't interact with our universe and just allows it to run, I'm open to that idea.
I'd never presume to know what God's intentions were or are. But I will say this: If you are open to a being who created the universe but doesn't give a shit what happens in it, as opposed to a being who created all this incredible stuff and actually DOES care what happens in it, well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDxEvdICKnw
>>81396648
>incredible
there's nothing incredible about a bunch of clothed monkeys wageslaving for their monkey masters
>>81396295
The simulation idea is kinda weaker meme than heaven&hell epic, so it won't reproduce in as many minds as it is necessary to be recognized as a competitive religion.
>>81395438
Strong anthropic principle faggot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
The fact that you exist at all REQUIRES those astronomically low odds to have occured, so the fact that they did is no surprise when you already know you exist.
You're looking at the probability of us evolving on a SPECIFIC planet. But we already exist, so this planet had to have the perfect conditions to support life in the first place. What you should be looking at is the probability that life could exist on ANY planet.
And.. look how many trillions of galaxies exist, and have existed for 14 billion years. Unfathomable amounts. We are almost certainly not the only life in the universe. It is very easy to see when you have such a huge period of time and so many planets why such an unlikely thing would occur on one of them. And that just happens to be this one. If we WEREN'T on a planet it just happened to occur on, it would be impossible to think about it. The fact that we can think about it at all necessitates those conditions to have been met, so, again, it's not at all surprising or amazing.
It's like saying "holy shit, the odds of winning the lottery are 1/14,000,000, that'd never happen", but then the lottery is won like every other week. Yes, the chances of ONE RANDOM PERSON winning the lottery is astronomically small, and the chances of ONE RANDOM PLANET generating life is too, but when you have a fucktonne of people playing the lottery or a fucktonne of planets, it's no longer surprising when one wins.
If you go read up on the anthropic principle you will see why it is not at all weird that we happen to be on the one where it does exist.
>>81384773
>Lazy Jews just used the flood myth from older civilizations and added their silly noah story in it.
>>81391471
Yea fucking try to go to Australia. Nope. Impossible. Gravity would be so strong it would feel like walking up nearly a 90 degree angle.
>>81396791
Argentina =/= the entire universe, Pedro.
>>81396482
>Reasonably.
Christians can't even agree on the acurate interpretation of the bible. This is an insult to all the people that have died because of religious conflicts (e.g. Albigensian crusade).
>Appeals to them, to human nature. Something easily understood by them.
You are basically implying that most people are too stupid to understand philosophy and i must agree with you.
>You think millions of oridnary people are going to live, fight and die for some academic, masturbatory garbage explained in dusty old texbooks?
Such hypocrisy and lack of consistency.
>Yeah, definitely a recipe for moral order. That's how you build a society, you have the janitors and window cleaners learn """consequentialism"".
Is somebody still angry that he didn't pass Philosophy101?
>>81384971
Christians dont say that. who say dat when i say who say dat?
Actually happened. Deny God, deny eternity.
Stupid Christians, watch Stephen Hawking debunk the existence of God in under a minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7VTdzuY7Y
>>81396894
those are not the odds he's looking at
if the force bonding the atoms (e) was any higher or any lower, either all chemical elements would be hydrogen or no chemical elements would exist
among the million possible values of e, only a very diminutive range allows for life to exist
>>81396621
Hahaha, i didn't know indians had internet connection.
>>81395067
>Dude, we don't know what happened before the Big Bang. That doesn't mean you can decide nothing happened.
I have a physics degree and the very idea of "before" the big bang is nonsensical. Time itself didn't exist "before" the big bang. All 4 macroscopic dimensions exist as part of spacetime which is the fabric of the universe.
>>81396484
>Put a bunch of every atom type in an ocean of solvent, apply energy for a few million years and you'll get self-replicating molecules sooner or later.
This is just not true...
This happened ONCE, just few millions years (or less) after water was delivered onto Earth by asteroids.
IF it could happen on random in few million years, it would have happen at random many more times in following 4 billion years. The fact, that it didn't is a solid proof, that the first DNA (and so the Life) was brought to the Earth with the water in asteroids... Also, from everything, that evolved (or was evolved) on Earth, there are living prototypes - there are small reptiles, there are horsetail plants, there are various bacteria. But there is no prototype of DNA mechanism middle versions. It was brought here finished and working and no change happened (beside being brought 2 separate versions for prokaryota and eukaryota. Again there are no prototypes of Eukaryota...).
The modern version of this theory is called Panspermia.
Same as Bible says, that "plants" were designed before the Solar system...
>>81397099
> only a very diminutive range allows for THE life to exist
ftfy
>>81397400
did you know the octopus doesn't even have the same dna as the rest of the animalia kingdom? it's the case that it's either extraterrestial or it was created artificially by someone
>>81396796
Simulation idea has a much larger breadth of evidence for it though.
Quantum tunneling exists. In science we're like "why the fuck does this weird thing exist?", where a particle can move so fast it can jump out of an energy well too high for it. In video games we call this clipping, when an object moves so fast it entirely passes through another hitbox in one frame.
Observation of quantum wavefunctions is also weird, it collapses the wavefunction. We know probabilistically what forms it could take but until we observe it we don't know which it will, and then once we observe it again it's always the same.
This is like accessing a class that has a random function in its constructor.
Wave particle duality is also weird, what else has all the properties of an individual quantum but also a wave? mp3 files, e.g.
All electrons must stay in specifics orbitals and fermions have half integer spins. You can't be halfway between two electron shells, it's one or the other, discrete. Just like arrays in code.
Physical constants = read only const variables. Laws of reality = codebase.
All fermions are identical because it would batch draw calls and make the universe massively more efficient.
Universe has more matter than antimatter and is so close to critical density because someone chose these parameters specifically (both not covered by weak anthropic).
Minimum discrete chunks to the universe (planck length/time), maximum values (speed of light).
Everything in our universe looks VERY MUCH like it's been coded.
>>81397077
> Stupid Christians, watch Stephen Hawking ...
Stephen Hawking is a wicked cripple, who wants you to TRUST him, that Big-bang happened.
A strange faith of 20th century, a deception, about which people of middle 21st century will laugh, how a Biggest Blunder (in Einstein's words) it was...
>>81391232
All evidence suggests that organic chemistry quickly produces self replicating molecules. We can experimentally verify that amino acids (building blocks of protiens) form within days given water and simple chemicals. The chemistry that forms life happens very rapidly.
We find signs of early life in some of our oldest rocks - indeed, some of the earliest solid rocks that could have formed given the late heavy bombardment likely melted the earth's surface.
>>81397608
That would both be cool and suck
>>81397099
Right, but again.. strong anthropic principle. If the force bonding the atoms wasn't in the correct range to support the evolution of life, it logically follows it would be impossible for life to exist to think about it.
Those conditions are already a prerequisite to our life existing, so they are in no way surprising.
For all you know there could be infinite parallel universes with different constants and life only evolved in this one because of these constants.
But yeah, I am a fan of the theory that the universe is a simulation and someone set specific parameters at the beginning that would work. However, for not one second does this hint at an abrahamic god who interferes with ours lives.
>>81395561
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
>>81397077
Better yet, watch William Lane Craig turn Christopher Hitchens into a quivering pile of sweaty manflesh over 2 excruciating hours in this formal debate on the subject of God's existence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU
>>81397839
What about infinite simulations?
>>81397937
I think you've just proved infinite simulations aren't possible.
>>81397026
>Christians can't even agree on the acurate interpretation of the bible.
Minor details only, there is a core belief that all Christians follow.
>This is an insult to all the people that have died because of religious conflicts
Yawn. Atheists love tryhard virtue-signalling. Wow you're so moral bro. I'm really impressed with your moral morality that you totally have because you pretended to be concerned about something.
You didn't even address my point. Only God can provide billions upons billions of people, many of them poor and uneducated, with the moral structure that they need. Atheists have no answers and no solutions. They just steal Western Christian morality, take out God, throw in some evolutionary psychology, and call it a day.
And of course that will never work long term, because it lacks the cosmological consequences that actually drives religious morality.
An atheist population is a big fat Zebra living next to a pride of Lions. Over the longer term they will be converted to something else. It is unsustainable. You cannot build a society on atheistic forms of morality.
>>81398082
What do you mean?
Like we have any idea of the kind of place the simulator lives at
>>81394397
he said artificial Organism, not intelligence. Fucking plant fag
>>81395283
>The universe had a beginning.
No it fucking didn't. Time itself "began" with the big bang. It's not even special, time isn't some inherent quantity and might even be entirely an illusion. Inside the event horizon of a black hole time is measured as a spacial dimension with forward time defined as moving spacially towards the singularity.
Just because you're not smart enough to understand it doesn't make you right.
>>81398125
>You cannot build a society on atheistic forms of morality.
What's China
>>81398152
If life was a simulation, and there were multiple universes, why would one individually need to host every individual simulation? Or would why every independent simulation need to be held in its own universe?
>>81397937
I mean, assuming there is a sentient being in a finite universe simulating this, there wouldn't be infinite simulations sideways.
I could see there being near infinite universes up/downways though, if it turns out each simulator makes several universes similar to his own and in each universe there's a reasonable probability of curious, sentient life evolving that has enough capability to simulate too (on a slower timestep).
We've simulated on a femto scale. If we ever end up simulating our entire universe I think at that point it's fair play to assume that we are in a simulation, because it would imply an infinite tree of universes in universes, and the probability of us being at the top of that tree is basically 1/infinity = 0.
>>81395438
The fact that I can even contemplate these statistics implies I necessarily exist. Google the anthropic principle you mongoloid.
>>81398294
Not life. The universe is a simulation.
>why every independent simulation need to be held in its own universe
Because you are defining one simulation as one universe
>>81397400
you need a basic undestanding of physics and chemistry before making these types or aguments...
>>81398255
A miserable totalitarian shithole.
Next.
>>81397320
>Time itself didn't exist "before" the big bang. All 4 macroscopic dimensions exist as part of spacetime which is the fabric of the universe.
Einstein himself did not believe in Big Bang, and adding Lambda (universe expansion) to his equations marked as a Biggest Blunder (do you see the rhyme?)
But in that time, the Quantum physics was only at the beginning and the red-shift could not be described in thence terms. So they invented universe expansion and big-bang, which is a biggest blunder. A Big deception - because while others have been deceived, the WMAP team are savage liars.
If you are more interested, see wiki/Einstein's_universe and ignore incorrect remarks about instability, and find David Crawford and Curvature Cosmology, which is almost but not completelly correct...
Then contemplate, how Big is the Bubble of the false big-bang _Boast_ of false scientists, that will burst one day, not much remote...
If you read it even onto here (which I doubt, no one reads me), even if you do not believe me yet (I gave you no proofs here, although they exist), just appreciate and contemplate a little about the possibility, that what I write is actually True... just imagine the Boast size and the Burst of that Bubble...
>>81398417
What rule of nature states there needs to be an independent universe for each simulation?
>>81398342
But who was the first simulator?
>>81398450
Read some Confucius
>>81397608
Ahaha, so many apt analogies, thanks man. I lost it at "batching draw calls". :D
Though this entire line of thoughts also resembles confirmation bias.
Most likely it's the other way around: we are subconsciously modelling our toolchains after percieved laws of physics (that is, von Neuman architecture of computers, coding patterns and entire computational theory - all emerged to fit our perception).
>>81389539
reality gives 0 fucks to your precious feelings. There is no god or objective morality. Humanity is less then a speck of dust compared to vastness of the universe. It is Absolute certainty that humanity will one day become extinct and all these squabbles will be for naught.
>>81398492
We just call universe to the whole simulation we are experiencing and can interact with.
If this is several simulations, how would you notice? For us, it's all one.
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>>81397400
> did you know the octopus doesn't even have the same dna
Doesn't have same DNA _mechanism_, or _contents_ of chromosomes ?
The DNA _mechanism_, the bio-computer, that makes proteins through the DNA ribbon code, is in only 2 versions - the bacteria (procaryota, bactery and mitochondry) and all else (eucaryota)...
Octopus has got possibly just a different contents of the tape, but the playback machine is everywhere same. (I would be surprised if it was different...)
>>81398500
The first simulator might be in a Simpsons universe or some 12th dimensional headcrab or anything making a universe that is nothing like their own. However, if we're talking about this hypothetical situation in which every "creator" manages to create a universe similar to his own, it would just be one universe like ours on the top, but the probability of that one being ours would be very small.
And if that one ever crunched or died a heat death or the computer it was running on died, all those almost infinite universes would die too.
Assumedly that top universe would have way more energy than us too or be on a much higher timestep (though its lifeforms wouldn't know the difference).
And there you go, turtles all the way up.
That's why, although it's fun to talk about how we might be in a simulation and the evidence that suggests it, it isn't actually useful to talk about shit like that because we can never know what's at the very top. Perhaps nothing. Perhaps this is the only universe and energy always existed. Either way, it's fun to speculate but ultimately pointless since we'll almost certainly never know.
>>81398125
>Minor details only.
Wow, those holy wars seems even more meaningless now.
>Yawn. Atheists love tryhard virtue-signalling. Wow you're so moral bro. I'm really impressed with your moral morality that you totally have because you pretended to be concerned about something.
I am inmoral if i care, i am inmoral if i don't care. You deontologists are quite a funny people.
>You didn't even address my point. Only God can provide billions upons billions of people, many of them poor and uneducated, with the moral structure that they need.
I already did, christianity is o.k. for poorfags and uneducatedfags. Nevetheless we should try to educate the population eventually. There is a lot of data related to the benefits of philosophy.
>They just steal Western Christian morality, take out God, throw in some evolutionary psychology, and call it a day.
The golden rule is common in all cultures and you stole a lot from other religions and traditions; stop jerking yourself.
>And of course that will never work long term, because it lacks the cosmological consequences that actually drives religious morality.
That didn't stop religious people from doing bad things but whatever floats your boat.
>An atheist population is a big fat Zebra living next to a pride of Lions. Over the longer term they will be converted to something else. It is unsustainable. You cannot build a society on atheistic forms of morality.
Yeah, you are so incredibly better and moral and you are totally going to heaven to live with sky daddy. Please forgive us low atheist beings and continue being superior.
>>81397400
>IF it could happen on random in few million years, it would have happen at random many more times in following 4 billion years
Once a proto-single called organisms evolves it halts the processes that would create self replicators by basically "eating" the building blocks.
>>81398873
I am more of the theory that just like a jar with gas may be at equilibrium yet particles are still moving, the universe follows a similar logic and the particles moving are the universes, yet the system is still at equilibrium
>atheists thinks this is actually totally OK
>>81398255
> >You cannot build a society on atheistic forms of morality.
> What's China
China is a very clear example, that shows you the difference, what made 2 thousand years of Christianity for you...
Chinese always had a higher brain capacity, but are heartless.
By which the European and American society differs from Chinese totality, that is what Christianity reared in you.
>>81399105
I am not saying it isn't better
but to claim that it never happened, that's just false
>>81399071
>That is a problem every logical system has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems
>>81398460
Lol, Einstein called his refusal to accept his own cosmological constant his biggest blunder, after it was demonstrated true by redshift.
But even disregarding that nice twisting you're doing there, Einstein spent the majority of his life trying to disprove quantum physics because "god doesn't play dice", but unfortunately for him he wasted the rest of his life because it's right and it stands.
We observed universe expansion, we can see plenty of evidence. Every time you turn on an old CRT and see static, that is cosmic microwave background radiation. It's 2.7K, exists in all directions in equal measure. We can also see from red shifting that all points in the universe are accelerating away from all other points.
We can also see from the distance of the observable universe the age of the universe.
Sorry mayne, I have an actual physics degree, maybe you should get a physics education before you try to argue shit you've been fed by biased pastors.
